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T O P I C     R E V I E W mc trev comercial means they take good dance tracks and turn them more into popy music (kind of) hardcore is turning comercial and i and the rest of us hardcore raves don't want that now do we? take for eg. flip n fill shooting star now thats just talking the p*ss right out of bang and happycore and now theres a new children of the night 2002 for f*ck sake when will it stop? (will it stop?) i hate pop and i hate bad producers and promoters that let this happen long live happyhardcore! and if it does go fully comercial then don't listen to it just listen to the original and the best happyhardcore and not happycomercialhardcore which it will be if u hear it playing just turn the volume to the max with the REAL hardcore not the fake comercial bulls**t but remember HARDCORE WILL NEVER DIE! your sincerly m.c trev ..... respect to bang and respect to the sy TURN THE MUSIC UP Dragalian GRRRRR!!!!!! I JUST HEARD THE FLIP N' FILL TRACK. I'M PRETTY MAD AT THE MOMENT. Nick, if you're here looking at this thread, what's going to happen with this pop crap that stole your stuff? Those are definitely not Jo James' vocals. "I like Hard Housish, Energetic Hardcore, so what? You're still bouncin' aren't you?" CDJay lol, a good saying u should remember "don't bite the hand that feeds you" The flip 'n fill mixes are totally legit, hell one of the mixes is by Brisk 'n Ham if I remember correctly We're lucky enuff to get the lyrics and vox first, but they're not "exclusive", that just doesn't make economic sense You don't have to listen to them ;) D.Jay "Some people see things as they are... and say "Why?" I dream things that never were, and say "Why Not?" " Dragalian GRRR... I'm still mad though. Ok, I see that the Stimulant Dj's did do a remix of it. That really sucks, taking the biggest Hardcore Anthem and making shite out of it. I listened to the Extended Mix of it and it was horrible. "I like Hard Housish, Energetic Hardcore, so what? You're still bouncin' aren't you?" Annex damn strait screw it man, i mean... i don't want hardcore to go all commercial, that'd suck! but!!! if a little commercial action is gonna keep hardcore goin strong, who cares, dont' listen to it as D. Jay said.. don't listen to it damn skippy man... i mean honestly... if there was a way for Til The Day to come out in a hyper-commercial version, and do super well, sell tons of copies, and make Nick a good pile-o-cash, i'd be nothing but pleased :) if he then started producing tracks specifically FOR the commercial market, well then i'd be a little hurt... just stay true to the happycore, if we can get some fund input from the non-underground society at large, all the better, to help our choonz get pumped out, our parties get bigger, and our scene thrive ----------------------- potatoe :) keep on smiling DJ Mouse don't let it happen!!! all i have to say is.... LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO UK GARAGE i used to like it till so solid crew and manufactured bands like liberty came about and adapted it so it sells. in fact the new commercial stuff has put me right off the old stuff. DO ANY OF YOU WANT TO SEE MANUFACTURED HAPPY HARDCORE BANDS COMING OUT WITH 100% PURE CHEESE?!?!?! i don't,enough said. i know happy hardcore won't sell all that much in the charts. but it ain't the point (even tho bonkers 3 got to #27 in the charts) i like hardcore as it is,not adapted hardcore to make it sell. might be the drink talking but that's my 2 cents -------------------------------------------------- "Don't frown when someone annoys you, it uses 42 muscles. Bitch-slap the fu©ker, it only uses 4" DJ Mouse Brian K how is it any different from taking a popular trance tune and making it into some genre of hardcore? just say no to rips =P "As punishment for your desertion, it's company policy to give you the plague." dr smiley im only 12 but i think if happy hardcore goes commercial everyone would like it and that would just be no fun i like bein the black sheep it makes me feel special =) i mean it would be nice for nick to make some more $$$ and i dont want happy core to die so its kinda hard to say all i can say is keep happy core alive and keep on DANCIN Weird Fish Again...I have to agree what Annex said...cause thats how the most of us got into HHC...And I've said this already on another tread... And what do you care if they make poppy crap out of our HHC tunes...we won't listen to it anyways...We know where it's true and real I for one don't care about the poppy world, I live in my HHC world and could care less about the others...and if it goes commercial, maybe some kids would get inspired and there will be more dj's and more cool tracks can come out of them...more anthems...I mean that would be cool I myself don't like the idea of commercialisation, but if this would help HHC conquer the world once again...let it be...as long as they don't sell crap, most likely they will, but anyways... I know the HHC is ours, but I think I would like the family to grow...if there ain't growth, there aint a future...And I would like a prosperous future for HHC As long we are real to our happy hardcore, it will always be with us!!! I like the Bass to go BOOM!!! Oli G I see that the Stimulant Dj's did do a remix of it <--- yeah.. being brisk + ham, the ppl who did the original hardcore remixes of bang's version but yeah... we will get looked on as i look on uk garage purists now (hard to tell the purists from the ****s tho) i dispise the music, but there are people in it just for the love of the music.. and we will get looked on like comercial cheesers like we look on garage ppl :/ "ENERGISE" \o/ <o/ \o> <o> /o\ _o/ \o_ pacman MOUSE: keep pushing the garage man. apart from hhc & newstyle gabber, uk garage is what i spin most. imagine if/when happyhardcore goes commercial, and people like us stopped making the good stuff that we love, then the genre would go to shit. if we don't like the newer stuff, it's up to US to keep pushing the sound that we love, be it producing, djing or whatever. keep it real. drugs is not the answer... drugs? is the question... yes is the answer Simon Well Yeah UK Garage went Sh*t but then again it wasn't ever amazing anyway. UK House has now gone crap and I hate to say it but I think UK D&B is going a bit commercial recently there appears to be a lot of D&B tracks hitting the pop charts and there not even released under different names but under names such as Andy C etc. But I can't see Hardcore going commercial just people realising that some of our lyrics are actually pretty damn good!!! Sy. Midway_raver this mite not b relevant, but in the magazine with the tv listings in its got alot of happy hardcore classics in an advert for ringtones but (heart of gold aint by bang is it?) it just shows though that people r realising happy hardcore is gr8 and alot of people like it..IMO Like a bolt of lightning it's so frightning..Get ur brain now we're igniting Brian K heart o' gold is by F&S "As punishment for your desertion, it's company policy to give you the plague." Midway_raver fort it was...its just listed as BANG-HEART OF GOLD ( prrof if ever u needed it that any form of commercialisation is bad for hardcore, peeps getting credit for other peoples work)(;) cum on nick its not liek u need any more credit of ne1 lol) Like a bolt of lightning it's so frightning..Get ur brain now we're igniting Nick of Blaze! Chill out Ringo! We cool Yolanda.... like a bunch of little Fonzies here.... and what's Fonzy like...? OK, Flip & Fill, Shooting Star, yes it's out on June 3rd, there is a Stimulant (H&B) remix, and yes I spoke to the record company chap, and I have to say, that sort of positivity from someone was just amazing in this business. He was absolutely boiling to get this out. I haven't heard the new mixes but hey, if they're willing to pump £50K into STR...... I have replied to this extensively in another post as to the reasons why, but for the benefit, and those that have read this then skip it. There's the "song" and there's the "remix". The song always stays static. The remixes change. You could turn Shooting Star into a dozen different styles. Slow it down and it's a ballad, play it with a piano and it sounds f*ckin' fantastic as you will hear soon when I put it on site. In the industry, you have a publisher that is interested in the song, and a record company that is interested in the remix at the time. "Shooting Star" was unpublished for a long long time, and the MCPS (an industry royalty collection society) administered the rights to it. In other words, they said whether it could get "covered" by an outside party. That is the agreement I (and thousands of others) had with them, and they authorised All Around The World Records, to cover STR using thier artist, flip & fill. They have now created a new remix and will release it. I promise, there will be other mixes, but like I said, if it's suitable for HH then it'll be here first. TTD is a good example, and no matter what happens to that, it was HH and always will have it's roots here. OK, sorry to repeat, but I reckon it's important. Credits. Yes, credits are vital, and I've seen my Shooting Star lyrics coupled with Bad Company, (their one is 1,00,000 times better though), I've seen many of my tracks as published by Next Generation Music, which is totally untrue. So you see, credits do get messed up. Commercialistation in HH may happen, no one can stop that unfortunately. If you put music in the public domain, and 1,000,000 like it, it will get airplay, and another 1,000,000 will like it and so on.... you can't stop it. HOWEVER, as I said before, YOU GUYS KNOW who the true HH artists are. And you can just ignore the crap. Don't buy it. Simple. Sesame's Treet went commercial, but only AFTER we'd released it. We never dreamt it would have that sort of success. However, if a huge marketing machine gets behind it, say from a big label and they use thier influence to get it on telly and the radio etc, then that's crap. That's manipulating the stuff. No one in HH has that sort of power, so if I release a track and it gets to #1 worldwide, it got there because its great and on its own merit. Not because I shoved a fistfull of dollars into a radio playlist chappies fat fingers. There is one good thiong I thought of yesterday that happens when HH goes commercial. The independent radio stations give it a bit more airtime, and the vibe is fantastic. I'll never forget late 1991 early 1992, when Steve Jackson used to play stuff on Kiss FM here in London. He'd get DATs literally the next day after they'd been mastered in the studio. That's how SST got started, and to hear a new Shut Up & Dance track about two months before it came out was exciting. The vibe was electric, and everything was moving so fast. Sesame got into their "fone in five" weeks before it was even on promo! You actually looked forward to listening to the radio, because you had tracks before they was on dub plate! So, yes commercialisation has bad points, and there would be some crap, but you will know, which is which because you're inmmersed in HH all the time. And when the last major moves on to the next hot thing, we'll still be here, listening to our fav tracks, and I'll still be here releasing records. It would be really difficult to do a cover version of say, "Piano Progression", because it's all music, but most of my stuff you can remix in many ways. If F&F hit the charts with STR then when someone slags off HH to you, you tell them, "That track got started in HH, and was first released 4 years ago!" How many Garage tunes could you cover? I'd like to see Whitney Houston do 21 seconds! LOL :)) sorry for the long post. Cheers Nick. Weird Fish Long post?????........That was a freaking story "chapter 1"... Took the time though to read it...and I agree with you... And yes, I think we all would know who the true artist are(you're sure to be one of them) By the way, even if they commercialise it...there will always be the underground stuff, underground will never go away...so let there be no worries anymore So everybody chill and relax!!! I like the Bass to go BOOM!!! Charco well said, look what hhc has been through in the past and survived? there is no way on this earth that commercialisation will badly effect hhc> you never know, it could encourage dj's to play all the original versions of whatever tunes become effected by commercialisation........ **Bounce** **Bounce** ------no matter what happens, smile and stay happy...FOREVER------- freedom to all who believe!! djjum I think some of the recent trance/pop remixes of hardcore tunes have been crap but it encourages dj's to play the orignal versions which are usually better. I remember when the remix of "N-trance - Set Ya Free" came out all the dj's were playing the new version and now most dj's play the orignal version because they realised it was way better. It's our job to make sure people know that these remixes were originally hardcore. I don't think it's wrong for other artists to borrow our ideas as long as they give us credit because after all a lot of Hardcore Anthems were remixes of music from other genres so it's about time we gave a little instead of just taking. If hardcore gets commerical then there will be some good songs and some bad, just like there are today. You can listen to it and if you don't like it then you don't have to buy the cd. I personally think that the online music industry is beginning to crush the old music industry which is controlled by a small number of companies so it is important that Hardcore should establish itself on the net before all the others do. The more producers there are the more good music will be made, as long as they don't screw with the basic style of our genre. http://www.steeky.co.uk dj_heavinly I am verry angry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! seeing a grate old happy hardcore go to wast..... FLIP n FILL pi** me off i am going mad!!!!!!! I cant belive BANG gave them the right to copy it!!!!! or was it the record lable who cares i am red with angar!!!!!!! Help me!!!!!! before long all good BANG songs will be used by FLIP n FILL like Give Me a reason and many more will go down the pop pan!!! As i am an up and coming DJ in the uk in Berkshire i find it hard to get my music noticed as it is without people like FLIP n FILL F*c*i*g it up with their poppy up beat songs but while saying that True love never dies is A classic do you feel the same????? respect to Hixxy, Sy, Force and Styles, Dougal and MarkeeG and da Mzone laters my fello Ravers live 4 hardcore and Oldskool virus man you guys are paranoid. silver dj_heavinly: before you post you should know what you are talking about, it's a cover version, and you should read the author's (BANG!) comment on the entire thing on the first page of this topic. http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3376&ARCHIVE=&whichpage=1 it explains all in fine detail. ---------------------------------- you, me and hardcore forever. Heist Pop just takes its gay suposedly 'soulful' vocals and sticks whatever is the biggest underground sounds beats under them. Yesterday it was RnB, today its House. Its gonna be drum and bass next...and then what? www.mp3.com/djheist mylittlepony have to agree with djjum and heist too. yes commercialism can be very bad(oh so very bad!), but at the same time it offers exposure. By the time commercialism moves on to the next genre of the week the people that really love the original style of music will still really love it. Isn't that whats important? "the duck has a good point..." William Daniel Commericialism can be bad but can also be good... I remember in 95/96 when Bonkers 1 (Classic) came out. I had been listening to hard for 3/4 Years Previous to that. Stuff on Knor/Rotterdam/Evolution and Ruffneck. However, When Bonkers 1 came out ( I was still at High School) EVERYONE was talking about it!!. Man, It was great times Anthems like Hixxy - Thumper and F&S - Wonderland were heard everywhere!!. Then you had the great times of getting the newest tune on Essential Platinum/Next Gen/ Babyboom and listening to QUALITY Happy Hardcore!!. I know that alot of you don't like these 'Cover Versions' Of Tunes because it does rip off Happy Hardcore Classics. However, I have noticed that in the past 8 - 10 months ppl have been coming into 23rd Precinct and embracing HHC! :). Asking for the lastest in Spanish Hardcore and old Classic Happycore!, and this is from ppl who have only been Djing for less than a year!!. So these Cover Versions do have 'Some' Advantages!. However, Don't forget where this music has came from and you can say that Hardcore, Happy Hardcore, Gabba and old Skool are and will always be the basis of Modern Hard House, Hard Trance and Trance music!!!. Happy Hardcore isnt just Music It's a way of life for me! and I'm proud to Admit that!!. www.23rdprecinct.co.uk Injected with the Poison. We don't need that anymore! :) sammypoohuk Flip & f**king fill have released a vid for there version of shooting star. They r really pissin me off to now.......If u havnt seen it u rnt missin nefin......girl dancing and singing......gay flip and fill "djin"......girl walkin around with a glow stick........it is crap..... Every1 i have spoken to about there version of shooting star agrees with me and believes it is crap...........even my mum agree`s with me!! (she loves the one by bang!!!!) ..SaMmY.. dj_heavinly On the subject of BONKERS can any one tell me where i can get my hands on BONKERS 1 and 2 on CD???? iv been looking every where i need to finish off my collection i dont care if it is second hand as long as it is in good "nick"!!!! Ok silver may be you are right but when i posted that reply yesterday i'd just seen the song on the BOX and was real pi*ed off and the last year of my djing career went to my head and i needed to let some steem off!!! sorry if i didn't get the whole subject i just found the first thing on this site what was relating to fuc*i*g flip and fill live 4 hardcore and Oldskool xxhappyxx there r sum bad points to hhc goin commercial, but y get stressed about it...theres not much you can do to change it,if u look on the positive side instead of the negative: its kinda what it needs, loadsa gd djs hav given up hhc bcos theres no money left in it you will still have your music to listen to, and shud b proud that the songs, lyrics etc were good enuff 2 b used 2 b remixed, if ya dont like em dont buy em n stick with the origional stuff :) 'come fly my child 2 a special place, with angels in the sky, the time has come 2 fly!' Haeobogoblin well.....even bad publicity is publicity. heres the way i see it: a week or so before flip & fill's shooting star is released, it gets airplay. people listen to it, some like it, some LOVE it, some hate it. people who like it could download mp3s of it on the net, but JUST BY SEARCHING for "shooting star" you WOULD get the happy hardcore version. people who havnt even herd of HHC, and know naff all about it could download it, and they like it. they could then play it to other people and they could also like it. If that workes then public demand would be quite high. the ORIGINAL BANG(!) VERSION IS WANTED. in my opinion, bang should have requested that the origional version is to be put on the CD/Vinyl -OR- have a 2 CD/vinyl. one with F&F's version on with CJ Stone/stimulant Djs etc. mixes on, and the other with the ORIGIONAL HAPPY HARDCORE VERSION with the unique remix (or any other) (by the way: i am not too impressed with flip&fill's shooting star anyway : lyrics seem TOO DAMN SLOW!!!) "Thats not a BONG it's for my SLONG!" DJ_Solstice i heard that the original bang! version of shooting star IS actually appearing on the commercial release of Flip & Fills version. BUT i cant be sure, i think that was just a rumor. Also the video to Blaze! - Til The Day has now been completed and will appear on the CD release of the track, if all goes well that is! we are the children of the night, we fight for the future of our nation, lets come together and unite, nothings gonna stop us now!