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| bonkerboy |
wot does everyone think of the flip n fill remix of shooting star originally by bang
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| mc trev |
i no wat im about to say isnt your falt for wat im about to say because youve just started but this has been asked so manny times !
ill speak for everyone we all think its too slow and and too pop like
WE ALL THINK ITS SHIT!
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| Love Monkey |
Yes, and the bird is mingin, the video is exceptionally naff and in my humble opinion flip n fill should be shot.
Having said that, it'll probably go straight to number 1.
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| Amber-Jade |
It really seems like Flip N Fill are doing it to take the piss out of HH, not to revive the scene or anything.
Yeah.... they should be shot!
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| Charco |
it is cak!!
all the remixes are,
 KEEP THE TUNES ALIVE, BY KEEPING THE OLD ONES GOING!!!!!
IF HAPPY HARDCORE LOOSES ITS FEEL, IM GONNA ....IM GONNA......IM GONNA......what would everyone do????????????
id bloody cry and put whatever i have in the most durable safe in the planet, crawl inside and listen happily for the rest of my years :)
**BOUNCE**BOUNCE**
-- No im not crazy, its the feel of the music, the music and the music,
All people who are in anyway involved in producing, playing or in anyway promoting happy hardcore........... MASSIVE MASSIVE THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WITHOUT YOU, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING!!!
IM sure im not alone in saying this but THANKS!!!!!!
TO EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IM ETERNALLY GRATEFUL!!!!
oh sweet music, and like i said before, no, im not crazy BOUNCE BOUNCE 
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| DJ Mouse |
i dunno what all the fuss is about,i think it's alright but it's nothing like bang's version and nothing ever will come close.
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| StrifeII |
come on...its ok...its got the shooting star vocals in  thats its only strong point. which is a weak point cos Nick did em in the first place (and he regulary goes on these forums by the looks of things!)
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| kg4 |
a question though, why did nick give them the OK to remix and release it ?
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| DJ Mouse |
nick doesn't have control over who covers his tunes,the mcps does,as he'll tell you his self
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"Don't frown when someone annoys you, it uses 42 muscles. Bitch-slap the fu©ker, it only uses 4"
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| kg4 |
ah, ok. that explains it... how does he feel about the remix ?
(btw the remix is going to be on the upcoming Ministry of Sound compilation "addicted to trance", so ALOT of people are going to hear it)
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| DJ Mouse |
um,i don't think i can answer that one LOL
ask him yourself
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| immunise |
Flip n Fill have totally murdered a classic tune! All they have done is release more Ibiza orientated trash with decent lyrics. Wot the f$~k is up wi the burds voice in it anyway!?
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| silver |
I have stayed clear of these topics, but just for the record, I love the tune shooting star, and ALL remixes including the flip and fill remix. Flip and Fill are not tring to take over or commericalise HappyHardcore at all, it's a great track in both genre's of HappyHardcore and the flip and fill genre (not sure what genre it is). I feel people will listen to the Flip and Fill version and want to find out about the orginal track and find the Bang! version, and more people will be interested in Hardcore... which is good.
As for the video I have not seen it, so I can't comment.
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| o0sameyeam0o |
^agreed *slams gavel down*
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| Nick of Blaze! |
OK, I've answered the previous question over allowing F&F to do Shooting Star before, basically at the time I had an agreement with the MCPS that they can license to whoever they see fit. However now we've started our own publishing company MidexMusic.com, I will have more control over who uses my tracks in future. Saying that, I still would have let F&F cover Shooting Star. You have to remember, I'm a songwriter primarily, then a producer. I don't DJ, I don't remix, I don't MC, I don't put on events etc etc.
I create a song, get remixes done and release it thru a record label such as Master Wax, HectTech, Next Gen, BB, Kniteforce etc etc. Therefore, my income is from my songs mainly, so it's in my interest to make sure they get exploited as much as possible. That means airplays, compilations, and yes, cover versions by other artists. (Shooting Star has also been covered by someone else, however I have no full details of that yet). Bearing in mind there has been absolutely no hardcore compilations at all recently and even the new Bonkers features none of my material whatsoever, so I would be going very hungry.
This is my living, this is how I eat and pay bills.
However, I love hardcore, and try to make sure as much as possible, any material I write is released into our scene first. I want to play my part and contribute my very best material/songs so that when Shooting Star comes out, we can say.... if it wasnt for the hardcore scene, that tune may never have seen the light of day. Plus, if it makes people give hardcore the respect it deserves rather than keep slagging it off all the time, then that's gotta be good.
Shooting Star is a song, and therefore it can morph into many genres. I have many versions of it, some would make yer toes curl up, but it's par for the course. To sell a song to a country artist in the US for instance, I have to have a country mix to show them.
As for my opinion of the track, I didnt like the original vocal, that is true, and I thought the arrangement of the original version was a bit so-so, where it repeated the first verse twice. However, looking at the whole package, with the different mixes, the new vocal, the video, it's extremely strong. The Stimulant mix especially is very good, and all credit to F&F and AATW for a great release. I stand corrected saying before that I didnt think it was a hit. AATW did the job right, and that's why they're as successful in what they do, and I'm not running a record company.
Talking of the vocalist, I've had a few mails from people asking why Jo James didnt record them for F&F. This is a completely seperate entity from us except for the connection with Stimulant (Ham & Brisk) doing a remix. Also, Jo James isnt allowed to record that track for anyone else to release for at least another 6 months, thats under our previous contract with Next Generation, so she couldnt have done it without breaking that agreement, which in principle we would never do. Having said that, I think Karen Parry has performed an excellent vocal, and has my full support and I hope one day to meet her in person. Its very difficult to record something well known by another vocalist and try to put your own mark on it and I reckon she's done great.
I suppose now it's getting played everywhere, people will want to know its roots and then get into hardcore, we'll start selling records again and the scene will lift like it did a few years ago, then everyone will moan that its gone all commercial!
So come on guys, we've got a multitude of other songs/records/tracks to be proud of too. I know it may seem like one of our babies has flown the nest and gone commercial, but its roots are always here.
Cheers
Nick.
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| strychnine |
I don't understand why everyone gets so heated over the issue. If you don't like the song, then don't buy it. Don't listen to it. Block it out when it's on the radio or something, or just switch stations. It ain't hard.
Hell, it's not as if a well-known HHC producer just gave up the genre altogether and is gonna spend the rest of his career to doing collaborations with Enya or Celine Dion or something ... and it's not as if every copy of every version of Shooting Star has magically turned itself into the Flip & Fill remix. The original, and all the remixes that you do like, are still there for you to listen to, enjoy, and love like you've always done.
Really, what have you lost?
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| kg4 |
i never said i didnt like the track, i kind of do, its not horrible... it is just weird to hear it as trance, i think everyone can agree on that ?
plus im just not used to trance covering hardcore... ususally it has been the other way around.
i wonder if this is going to make other trance artists to look at some hardcore for ideas ?
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| atomicb |
hmm.. I'm not a fan of this kinda thing, but I totally respect that nick needs to put food on the table, and in the end it is a job.
The origonal isn't going to magically gonna go away, and you can feel smug in the knowledge that you know the *real* song :D
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| strychnine |
quote:
it is just weird to hear it as trance, i think everyone can agree on that ?
yeah it is weird ... but then again I've heard the song on karaoke 
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| Nick of Blaze! |
quote:
yeah it is weird ... but then again I've heard the song on karaoke
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Would be EXTREMELY interested to have more details about this karaoke version.
Cheers
Nick.
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| strychnine |
Nick: I can't give you much I'm afraid. It came on a videotape with no identifiers either in the video or on the tape itself, and it was in one of those generic black plastic cases - just one of the many hi-quality (=P) bootleg/pirated products that a friend of mine snuck home in his suitcase after his trip around SE Asia.
It uses the same set of lyrics as the Ham mix, but has no vocals (that's where the karaoke part comes in). Come to think of it, it doesn't have much of anything, outside of the melody, which is made using some inanely cheesy fuzzy synths ... you know, like every other song that gets raped into karaoke. Oh, and it runs at about disco-house pace (like, less than 120bpm). All in all, it would have been annoying but for the fact that I was tanked and I wanted to sing something that I knew the words to.
Hope that helps.
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| Nick of Blaze! |
hehehehe no probs....
Just you like to keep tabs on these things, far too much unlicensed stuff flying around.
Cant beat those in SE Asia though.... they just do they're own thang!
I suppose its a compliment really they reckon Shooting Stars worthy of a karaoke tape, but then again, if I EVER heard it on a karaoke myself *shudder*
cheers anyway!
Nick.
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| Haeobogoblin |
personally i feel that the F&F version's lyrics are WAY to slow. maby if F&F had released the song first, or i had not herd a HHC version of the song then i wouldn't notice the fact that it seems slow! i suppose it's king of like HHC songs such as "Hold Me Now" and others that use the lyrics of songs that are slightly before my time - if i hadnt af herd them before then i wouldnt thing that they would sound strange faster/slower.....well, thats my logic for ya!!
just a couple of questions:
1) when is/has (if it has already) F&F's version of Shooting Star been/going to be released??
2)Nick: What do you think that the worst/best virsion of shooting star is??
Thanx
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| Midway_raver |
Jult the 8th i think or june the 28th was paying that mcuh attention..I seen "flip n kill" get interviewed earlier and im sure one of them was just basically tryna say on the album we ripped off so many classix it wud only b fair to put sum of our stuff on"....Ive decided i dont like the song, i dont like them and i like none of their music:(. Firstly ruining set u free, now ruining shooting satr:(....N yeah the new version is slllooooooooowwwwwwww as fcuk.
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