idk but me personally i dont like it to sound too much like speed core, i love the melody its beautifull and the pitched kicks just tie everything together although i still like the harderrr hard style :P
Wilky
there's one style of hardstyle that uses the same kick, its shit... simple..
there's plenty if hardstyle that doesn't use this kick that ****in amazing... and the claps man, hardstyle is all about the claps.. one element modern hardcore lacks from the 90s core
Dante
Wish Tonshifters had gone all Demons on that track, and no cheesy vocal samples, really don't like happy hardstyle ;P just my opinion of course.
Hard2Get
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
there's one style of hardstyle that uses the same kick, its shit... simple..
No Hardstyle as we now know it is real Hardsyle. Anyone who knew and liked the real stuff knows this.
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
[Addicted to the Bass]
the enzyme label has to be the best out there at the moment.
Hard2Get
That second tune sounds a lot like the stuff Tieum plays (or played), industrial type stuff, which is ****ing great.
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
That second tune is disgusting, good shit. New Hardstyle the old way.
Not really. Sorta old hardstyle both of them, though not old hardstyle in the way you mean it. They were both about 05 or so when the new stuff was just picking up. Kicks were still hard but melodies were a bit more than a hoover and scratches. Having said that, donkey rollers are pretty much my favourite producer in their consistency. Not always hardest but usually fairly filthy.
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
That second tune sounds a lot like the stuff Tieum plays (or played), industrial type stuff, which is ****ing great.
Check out the rest of the enzyme stuff. Most of it's on youtube. There's a lot of stuff done anon by a mix of producers under the enzyme X moniker
Not hardstyle (sorry don't know too much hardstyle) but it's gabber and pretty hard in my opinion (starts around 45 seconds). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDFYCeX-PJ8
Zany & Duro - Dissin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uBO2tWB05E Lyrics: Smoking with my buddies, dissin' all the ladies Bumped into a whore, some bitch in a Mercedes Bitch took off her panties, snatched off her bra Big biggest titties, that I ever saw My dick was hot, hot like a heater By the looks of her mouth, she was a dick eater Get get paid paid, put her in a trick Give her a dollar, for every inch of my dick
m0nst3r
not sure if these count but ive heard them round heaps lately and think theyre pretty good
quote:Originally posted by m0nst3r:
but ive heard them round heaps lately and think theyre pretty good
That's all well and good, but the title is hardest hardstyle not trance with a thick distorted bass line. Those brennan heart tracks disappointed me. He's made some decent stuff in his time.
Hard2Get
Man, current Hardstyle really offends me. The fact that it uses the name of something that was once an amazing genre is sickening. You can't even use the name anymore because people just assume you mean that kind of thing rather than the real thing.
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Man, current Hardstyle really offends me. The fact that it uses the name of something that was once an amazing genre is sickening. You can't even use the name anymore because people just assume you mean that kind of thing rather than the real thing.
get over it, music changes
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
get over it, music changes
You're right. Even when it doesn't change for the better change is good. If it had stayed the same the whole way along we'd be so sick of it the comments would be about how boring it is not how much we miss it.
Even though change is inevitable and even good, I guess it was too much to ask that hardstyle actually stay hard.
Hard2Get
quote:I guess it was too much to ask that hardstyle actually stay hard.
I like how the kicks have gone progressively more into a dull thud over the years. Now they are almost just a bass tone, which i guess is just as well since they function as a bass anyway. Awful.
Lilley
But despite that, a much heavier kick has also emerged, a kind of walloping thunderclap of a kick. I like those.
One of the hardest I've heard lately and with good melody.
99% of hardstyle kicks sounds identical to me. Hardness depends on how loud track is maximized and level of distortion/additional fx'es/layered samples and synths. But If you want to add hardness easily to your fav track, then just grab good free distortion vst and vst host and add to your taste.
Wilky
Hardstyle is pretty much gabba slowed down these days... Both pitched at 180 mix well... Well I say mix well I think gabba is hard as **** to mix
ultraskool
Gotta love the lyrics of that one! that's some horny lyrics you got there! LOL
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
Modern hardstyle the hard way
Zany & Duro - Dissin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uBO2tWB05E Lyrics: Smoking with my buddies, dissin' all the ladies Bumped into a whore, some bitch in a Mercedes Bitch took off her panties, snatched off her bra Big biggest titties, that I ever saw My dick was hot, hot like a heater By the looks of her mouth, she was a dick eater Get get paid paid, put her in a trick Give her a dollar, for every inch of my dick
Danny Deathclaw
you definetly should check out the new genre of Power Hardstyle. I think this is the future of Hardstyle.
Better Bass and much more complex than normal hardstyle. ^^
quote:Originally posted by Danny Deathclaw:
you definetly should check out the new genre of Power Hardstyle. I think this is the future of Hardstyle.
Better Bass and much more complex than normal hardstyle. ^^
Sounds just like original Hardstyle! Apart from the random bit around 2:30. I find it very odd that people would go back to making Hardstyle how it originaly was and then give it another name. Although given that a lot of the people listening to 'Hardstyle' as it is now have never heard real Hardstyle then i guess it makes sense. It's outrageous though.
Edit: Are you sure it's not just what the youtube user decided to call it? As it all sounds like normal Hardstyle to me (older style).
nice bit of hard trance. Seen so many utoob arguments going over whether uberdruck is HT or HS.
Hard2Get
Well it's clearly Hardstyle but it's listed as Hard Trance on discogs too. Really a pointless argument (that the people on youtube are having) as music isn't produced to fit exactly within a set of parameters so it can be one as much as the other. If you consider what makes a Hardstyle tune a Hardstyle tune though then there is no reason to consider this anything else. I don't think it's even really borderline to be honest, it completely crosses over into Hardstyle.
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Well it's clearly Hardstyle but it's listed as Hard Trance on discogs too.
2 against 1, we win.
quote:Really a pointless argument (that the people on youtube are having) as music isn't produced to fit exactly within a set of parameters so it can be one as much as the other.
It typically is, once you can accept that the given parameters will change in time. Mid naughty hardtrance sounds nothing like the noom period, nor, as I'm sure you know, does hardstyle, or for that matter dutch hardcore.
quote:If you consider what makes a Hardstyle tune a Hardstyle tune though then there is no reason to consider this anything else. I don't think it's even really borderline to be honest, it completely crosses over into Hardstyle.
How about DJ Dean - Ballanation, scot project - O and Second Trip Uberdruck - blue pill Derb/Kan Cold - all of it Tracid?
While I am slightly taking the pis over the whole issue I am being quite serious as to what you consider to be hard trance and hardstyle.
I think it was ATB who at Trance Energy 2000 put We Will Survive and a lot of like songs in his trance set. Can't quite remember but there was something funny about the intro to that set.
Dys7
I dont listen to much hardstyle but here's one I like
Love the melody at 2:26
Can't say I've ever seen a hardstyle where the kick is part of the melody :)
Lilley
I'm more than happy to give the parts before 2:20 and after 5:15 the benefit of the doubt, but everything in between was a bit suspect.
While the thread has gone a bit off track here and there, it's mostly running true. It's not what songs you like but what songs you think has the hardest kick/melody etc.
quote:Can't say I've ever seen a hardstyle where the kick is part of the melody :)
That's all Hardstyle has been for a couple of years now at least and it is absolutely awful.
quote:What makes one of these HT and the other HS?
I don't think any of those 3 songs are Hardstyle. I'm not trying to disagree with you for the sake of disagreeing with you; but in my mind there is a clear difference. Those 3 tunes are too melody based to be Hardstyle in my opinion. The song i linked is about as Hardstyle as any tune can get really, it's based purely around being hard/dark. That is the difference really. Hard Trance is about the melody and Hardstyle is about being hard. Clearly there is a mass of tunes that fit equally into either though. If you want to look purely at what kicks are used and what bass's are used then we are never going to agree. It's about the overall feel of the song.
quote:It typically is, once you can accept that the given parameters will change in time. Mid naughty hardtrance sounds nothing like the noom period, nor, as I'm sure you know, does hardstyle, or for that matter dutch hardcore.
What i meant was that it is possible to create music that doesn't fit into a pre-existing genre. The idea that because something is created means that it has to be something (genre wise) is just ridiculous.
quote:Can't say I've ever seen a hardstyle where the kick is part of the melody :)
That's all Hardstyle has been for a couple of years now at least and it is absolutely awful.
Like I said, don't listen to it too much :P
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
It's about the overall feel of the song.
Yeh, I do agree. But I just felt that while it was very biased towards kick and bass line and melody was dark it was still definitely HT. Not fussed really. It's still badass.
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Get your ears around this.
The first of them 3 vids is a favourite of mine. Other 2 i have in various mixes too. Ahhh its unusual to actually speak to anyone who actually knows the same tunes as me. If you can believe it i don't know a single other person either online or offline that listens to the same Hardstyle as me apart from yourself, not that i really try to.
Gotta get in on those sets you linked to, i can never have enough Hardstyle.
Lilley
not quite what you would expect of duro & walt.
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:If you can believe it i don't know a single other person either online or offline that listens to the same Hardstyle as me apart from yourself, not that i really try to.
I think bulbyg does a bit, maybe not much, he knows what sounds good at least.
I think q-dance may have stolen this. A little bit.
Lilley
This one is one of my top favourite hardstyle songs.
v-act
Lilley, I love you
Lilley
Female or gtfo
v-act
Sorry for bumping this old thread but this tune deserves a place here.
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Why should you be sorry? It's also not old.
It hasn't been active for quite some time.
Lilley
My God. Just came across this. No idea what it is, apparently omega nine.
Hard2Get
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
My God. Just came across this. No idea what it is, apparently omega nine.
Much better than the original. Absolutely disgusting, love it.
v-act
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
My God. Just came across this. No idea what it is, apparently omega nine.
THis is why I love you. You deliver some great tune!
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
My God. Just came across this. No idea what it is, apparently omega nine.
Much better than the original. Absolutely disgusting, love it.
Really? well at original speed I didnt like it, pitched to 180 and it's godly
jordanmaxshop
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Wish Tonshifters had gone all Demons on that track, and no cheesy vocal samples, really don't like happy hardstyle ;P just my opinion of course.
Hard2Get
Edit.
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by v-act:
THis is why I love you. You deliver some great tune!
That's cool man, but as I said, female or gtfo
v-act
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by v-act:
THis is why I love you. You deliver some great tune!
That's cool man, but as I said, female or gtfo
Forgot to add "No homo", sorry about that.
Lilley
I really can't fault these guys at all. Matt if you haven't checked out their albums yet you're doing yourself and them an injustice.
v-act
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
I really can't fault these guys at all. Matt if you haven't checked out their albums yet you're doing yourself and them an injustice.
Sounds like DJ Arne L II, which is not a bad thing.
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by v-act:
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
I really can't fault these guys at all. Matt if you haven't checked out their albums yet you're doing yourself and them an injustice.
Sounds like DJ Arne L II, which is not a bad thing.
A friend of theirs used to post here under Ceedee1, did some excellent trance hard trance and hardstyle mixes.
