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rafferty
Saw in a recent interview on youtube and in the dance press Tiesto answers why he left Trance for EDM and House.
To summarise in short form. He basically says nobody really cares about Trance anymore and that it would have been counter productive to his career.
Also that it is nice to be intouch with the new generation of 16 to 18 year old producers that are mostly into house now days.
Is also more exciting to play shorter tunes that don't go for 8 minutes like Trance tracks.
I never liked Tiesto when he played Trance but have to admit the sound he plays now is alot more versatile and interesting.
Just shows it pays to move with the times. Most of the old Hard Trance djs don't even make the Top 100 anymore. Have nearly all been knocked out by Hardstyle and EDM djs.
rafferty
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Saw in a recent interview on youtube and in the dance press Tiesto answers why he left Trance for EDM and House.
To summarise in short form. He basically says nobody really cares about Trance anymore and that it would have been counter productive to his career.
Also that it is nice to be intouch with the new generation of 16 to 18 year olds producers that are mostly into house now days.
Is also more exciting to play shorter trachs that don't go for 8 minutes like Trance tracks.
I never liked Tiesto when he played Trance but have to admit the sound he plays now is alot more versatile and interesting.
Just shows it pays to move with the times. Most of the old Hard Trance djs don't even make the Top 100 anymore. Have nearly all been knocked out by Hardstyle and EDM djs.
Rodz90
Take that how you will, my personal perception is that's just marketing fluff for "other genres had more money".
He was a pretty average trance dj anyway compared to others. Artists like Lange, JOC, Aly & Fila, Simon Patterson, Paul Oakenfold, Menno de jong, Indecent Noise are all paving the way for trances bright future in my opinion.
latininxtc
I always thought he was the most boring shit during his trance career. I never understood why people liked him so much. I think playing at the Summer Olympics helped his career further, which is a damn shame as I would have loved to never see more of him ever.
wong
should of stuck with gabber
Elipton
If I remember correctly, his latest album was absolutely panned by mixmag.
ninja edit
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
I always thought he was the most boring shit during his trance career. I never understood why people liked him so much. I think playing at the Summer Olympics helped his career further, which is a damn shame as I would have loved to never see more of him ever.
maybe you dont like trance ?) cause for example these are masterpieces
oxis
quote:Originally posted by wong:
should of stuck with gabber
i dont even trance so i am not familiar with tiestos career
i just googled tiesto gabber
i am now laughing
rafferty
The music he plays on his Club life show I think is alot better than Trance. Don't think it was ever about the money. Is better music what he plays now.
Davie Forbes left Happy Hardcore and changed his name to just David Forbes making Trance instead. He could be called a sell out in that case too.
Rodz90
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Is better music what he plays now.
Subjective
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Davie Forbes left Happy Hardcore and changed his name to just David Forbes making Trance instead. He could be called a sell out in that case too.
That's a completely different scale
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Rodz90:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Davie Forbes left Happy Hardcore and changed his name to just David Forbes making Trance instead. He could be called a sell out in that case too.
That's a completely different scale
And then there's Carl Cox aswell
rafferty
quote:Originally posted by Rodz90:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Is better music what he plays now.
Subjective
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Davie Forbes left Happy Hardcore and changed his name to just David Forbes making Trance instead. He could be called a sell out in that case too.
That's a completely different scale
Yeah your right, Davie Forbes and Mark Sherrys change to Trance was a much bigger sellout act than what dj Tiesto did.
Is just so typical of the Trance scene. When djs joined their scene from other genres it is acceptable but when djs leave their scene suddenly they are called sellouts.
Trance is a sinking ship, and the genre is far too formulated and generic to evolve into anything new anymore. One reason why EDM House is leaving Trance in the dusty past at all major festivals. It is new, far more creative and a much warmer friendlier sound.
The dance scene has moved on.
Elipton
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
quote:Originally posted by Rodz90:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Is better music what he plays now.
Subjective
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Davie Forbes left Happy Hardcore and changed his name to just David Forbes making Trance instead. He could be called a sell out in that case too.
That's a completely different scale
Yeah your right, Davie Forbes and Mark Sherrys change to Trance was a much bigger sellout act than what dj Tiesto did.
Is just so typical of the Trance scene. When djs joined their scene from other genres it is acceptable but when dj leave their scene suddenly they are called sellouts.
Trance is a sinking ship, and the genre is far to formulated and generic to evolve into anything new anymore. One reason why EDM House is leaving Trance in the dusty past. It is new, far more creative and a much warmer friendlier sound.
The dance scene has moved on.
I don't know if any DJ leaving a dying genre is selling out. It only makes sense to leave one industry and take your skills to another to save your career.
I don't think Trance has died by any means, and Tiesto was a heavyweight who could have influenced its direction.
Hard2Get
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Saw in a recent interview on youtube and in the dance press Tiesto answers why he left Trance for EDM and House.
To summarise in short form. He basically says nobody really cares about Trance anymore and that it would have been counter productive to his career.
Also that it is nice to be intouch with the new generation of 16 to 18 year old producers that are mostly into house now days.
Is also more exciting to play shorter tunes that don't go for 8 minutes like Trance tracks.
I never liked Tiesto when he played Trance but have to admit the sound he plays now is alot more versatile and interesting.
Just shows it pays to move with the times. Most of the old Hard Trance djs don't even make the Top 100 anymore. Have nearly all been knocked out by Hardstyle and EDM djs.
So to summarise; it is more profitable.
Lilley
Tiesto tells why no one gives a shit.
brodster
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
quote:Originally posted by Rodz90:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Is better music what he plays now.
Subjective
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Davie Forbes left Happy Hardcore and changed his name to just David Forbes making Trance instead. He could be called a sell out in that case too.
That's a completely different scale
Yeah your right, Davie Forbes and Mark Sherrys change to Trance was a much bigger sellout act than what dj Tiesto did.
Is just so typical of the Trance scene. When djs joined their scene from other genres it is acceptable but when djs leave their scene suddenly they are called sellouts.
Trance is a sinking ship, and the genre is far too formulated and generic to evolve into anything new anymore. One reason why EDM House is leaving Trance in the dusty past at all major festivals. It is new, far more creative and a much warmer friendlier sound.
The dance scene has moved on.
I think you are confusing "more creative" with "more profitable". About 95% of new mainstream EDM ain't creative at all. It is mostly to please the masses. All the producers at the top either had connections or were just lucky. And that's not even considering ghost production. EDM is being manufactured, not created.
Lilley
quote:Originally posted by brodster:
I think you are confusing "more creative" with "more profitable". About 95% of new mainstream EDM ain't creative at all. It is mostly to please the masses. All the producers at the top either had connections or were just lucky. And that's not even considering ghost production. EDM is being manufactured, not created.
Truth. Some stuff on the fringes often has a few hints of substance in it, which is good.
rafferty
Exactly the same thing could be said about Trance in the 2000s. Everyone jumped on the Trance bandwagon and it was the most generic formulated sound ever produced. Not to mention commercial as.
The kicks were standard, the riffs were standard in almost every track. Then Hard Trance all sounded the same too.
And there were so many crap Trance sellout bootlegs and remixes of quality oldskool tracks.
Now Trance has been screwed by two genres hard.
Hard Trance has been killed off by Hardstyle and Uplifting Trance is well and truly beaten by EDM at festivals.
All the precious Armin twats are all up in arms that Armin has been beaten by Hardwell as well as Dimitri Vegas and Like Mike in the dj top 100.
Then Tiesto and Ferry Corsten have both left the Trance sound too lol
Trance will end up like Eurodance, a retro genre that ran out of ideas. Even gatecrasher and gods kitchen are no longer Trance clubs. They saw the genre has had it's time and is over.
Rodz90
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Exactly the same thing could be said about Trance in the 2000s. Everyone jumped on the Trance bandwagon and it was the most generic formulated sound ever produced. Not to mention commercial as.
The kicks were standard, the riffs were standard in almost every track. Then Hard Trance all sounded the same too.
And there were so many crap Trance sellout bootlegs and remixes of quality oldskool tracks.
Now Trance has been screwed by two genres hard.
Hard Trance has been killed off by Hardstyle and Uplifting Trance is well and truly beaten by EDM at festivals.
All the precious Armin twats are all up in arms that Armin has been beaten by Hardwell as well as Dimitri Vegas and Like Mike in the dj top 100.
Then Tiesto and Ferry Corsten have both left the Trance sound too lol
Trance will end up like Eurodance, a retro genre that ran out of ideas. Even gatecrasher and gods kitchen are no longer Trance clubs. They saw the genre has had it's time and is over.
Stop speculating outcomes for genres by looking at social media. Go to some events and realise that the scenes your talking about all coexist quite happily. No trance fan cares that Hardwell beat Armin, especially given the money driven nature of the outcome for the top 100. I wouldn't base any conclusion from that kind of poll if I were you.
I've been to every single Godskitchen for the past two years and the trance scene is strong, typically 1500 guests per event. Not to mention the amount of attendees the ASOT festival has through the world. The smaller events also sell well, having been to several in Manchester and Birmingham (Rong & Trancecoda). The attendance is incredible and the vibes at the events are friendly and welcoming, with a more mature, knowledgable fanbase then other genres.
In my experience when being at the main stages at festivals, seeing the fanbases for the likes of Angello, Aoki, Vegas, and Hardwell, they detract me. Pretty much 16 to twenty something year olds who don't have much knowledge of what there listening to or even who's playing. It's simple to see the audience for the genres your talking about are vastly different, and that the music therein is aimed separately towards each of them.
ViolonC
One of the reasons trance has become less popular is simply that the mainstream has become impatient. Trance is fundamentally build around long buildups and tension progression. That's not a thing anymore. Hence less trance is played at mainstream events. House uses it too but doesn't depend on it that much.
If you wanna be a "top" DJ you have to play whats modern. One may dislike it but it is understandable. And it has already been stated here that Tiesto is just a mediocre producer for the level he is associated with - and there is always the joke that the DJMag Top100 are mostly producers first and DJs second.
I don't really understand what you consider "trance has been screwed hard". Trance has inspired and founded a lot of new genres while moving up itself.
But EDM has already 'like eurodance' run out of ideas (yep, trap is done, too). It's just that the next gen stuff is not in yet and we are still stuck with it.
rafferty
quote:Originally posted by Rodz90:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Exactly the same thing could be said about Trance in the 2000s. Everyone jumped on the Trance bandwagon and it was the most generic formulated sound ever produced. Not to mention commercial as.
The kicks were standard, the riffs were standard in almost every track. Then Hard Trance all sounded the same too.
And there were so many crap Trance sellout bootlegs and remixes of quality oldskool tracks.
Now Trance has been screwed by two genres hard.
Hard Trance has been killed off by Hardstyle and Uplifting Trance is well and truly beaten by EDM at festivals.
All the precious Armin twats are all up in arms that Armin has been beaten by Hardwell as well as Dimitri Vegas and Like Mike in the dj top 100.
Then Tiesto and Ferry Corsten have both left the Trance sound too lol
Trance will end up like Eurodance, a retro genre that ran out of ideas. Even gatecrasher and gods kitchen are no longer Trance clubs. They saw the genre has had it's time and is over.
Stop speculating outcomes for genres by looking at social media. Go to some events and realise that the scenes your talking about all coexist quite happily. No trance fan cares that Hardwell beat Armin, especially given the money driven nature of the outcome for the top 100. I wouldn't base any conclusion from that kind of poll if I were you.
I've been to every single Godskitchen for the past two years and the trance scene is strong, typically 1500 guests per event. Not to mention the amount of attendees the ASOT festival has through the world. The smaller events also sell well, having been to several in Manchester and Birmingham (Rong & Trancecoda). The attendance is incredible and the vibes at the events are friendly and welcoming, with a more mature, knowledgable fanbase then other genres.
In my experience when being at the main stages at festivals, seeing the fanbases for the likes of Angello, Aoki, Vegas, and Hardwell, they detract me. Pretty much 16 to twenty something year olds who don't have much knowledge of what there listening to or even who's playing. It's simple to see the audience for the genres your talking about are vastly different, and that the music therein is aimed separately towards each of them.
No trance fan cares that Hardwell beat Armin???? Are you farkin serious???
Hardwell copped abuse from Armin fans for months on social media every time he has beaten Armin. David Guetta copped the same abuse too. And even Tiesto copped abuse for leaving Trance. That is hardly a welcoming scene.
As for Trance fans being mature, you are correct there. Is the sound for a bunch of has beens clubbers and djs that are stuck in the past and can only mix music that all sounds the same.
A State of Trance has nothing on Defqon or Tomorrowland.
Trance has lost Tiesto, has lost Ferry Corsten and has lost the top placed dj Rankings. A dieing Trance scene is fact. All the new generation of twenty something party kids like you just admitted don't listen to Trance. They have more intelligent music tastes than the generic Trance dated shite from the past.
I know you wish it was speculation that Trance is dieing but is all fact. Your in denial that Trance is going the way of Eurodance. A has been genre going nowhere but down.
rafferty
quote:Originally posted by ViolonC:
One of the reasons trance has become less popular is simply that the mainstream has become impatient. Trance is fundamentally build around long buildups and tension progression. That's not a thing anymore. Hence less trance is played at mainstream events. House uses it too but doesn't depend on it that much.
If you wanna be a "top" DJ you have to play whats modern. One may dislike it but it is understandable. And it has already been stated here that Tiesto is just a mediocre producer for the level he is associated with - and there is always the joke that the DJMag Top100 are mostly producers first and DJs second.
I don't really understand what you consider "trance has been screwed hard". Trance has inspired and founded a lot of new genres while moving up itself.
But EDM has already 'like eurodance' run out of ideas (yep, trap is done, too). It's just that the next gen stuff is not in yet and we are still stuck with it.
EDM is constantly evolving while trance has sounded the same for 10 years. There is no way Trance will ever take back it's crown from the EDM scene. There are so many more talented producers doing EDM compared to Trance.
All your Trance djs are falling in the dj rankings, Armin and Above and Beyond are all going backwards.. Then the rest of them have fallen too far to even be ranked. If that does't tell you Trance has had it's day, then you must be in serious denial.
EDM kills Trance in the dance downloads too and has a fanbase many times the size. Trance is just plain predictable, standard kick standard breakdown stanandard build up and all sounds the same as it always has.
ViolonC
Not sure why you need to write those derogatory fanboy attitude posts, but then i don't really care, cause you're probably just a bad troll.
If you're happy with EDM be happy while the fame lasts and you're still under the impression it's fresh and progressive.
Triquatra
I heard a rumour that none of it matters, and that a good piece of music is a good piece of music, no matter how stale, or fresh or game changing or predictable.
Just a rumour though, it's very likely that you are still only allowed to listen to what everyone else is/was listening to. :D
Hard2Get
So 'EDM' is a genre now? I thought it was just a stupid American abbreviation for electronic dance music.
Triquatra
Yes it's all rather a mess. It basically stems from another load of American's forgetting why they branded Dance music 'EDM' in the first place. Silly buggers.
Hard2Get
I guess it's as ridiculous as calling Hardcore 'Powerstomp'. There was already a name for it. It's 'Hardcore'.
oxis
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I guess it's as ridiculous as calling Hardcore 'Powerstomp'. There was already a name for it. It's 'Hardcore'.
I find EDM useful for narrowing down artists and scenes. I mean, seeing something like Angerfist and something like Boards of Canada both under "electronic music" is not very comfortable, so EDM helps with that, atleast for me. Not all electronic music falls under EDM. I'd like to see someone dance to Squarepusher. The stupidest nomenclature the americans did was labeling everything as "electronica" or "dance" when the Big Beat scene got somewhat popular in the US. That was hella stupid.
Assuming that EDM refers only to popular electronic music is another growing fad that annoys me. Pretty sure that I saw in this thread a few posts above this someone say that EDM beats Trance in terms of popularity. How is Trance not included in EDM? The name Electronic Dance Music goes way beyond Electro House as far as I'm concerned. But stuff like this comes and goes I guess. I don't believe genres disappear though, they just become less mainstream. Just like Trap is becoming the new Dubstep, something in the future will become the new Trap. It's all about making music for the people who know just the surface of the EDM scene. Like, I dare you find someone semi-educated on electronic music who genuinely likes Martin Garrix. The electro house fanbase consists of people who download the UK Chart with a 96 kbps youtube ripper.
Triquatra
quote:Originally posted by oxis:
I'd like to see someone dance to Squarepusher.
enjoy. :)
rafferty
quote:Originally posted by ViolonC:
Not sure why you need to write those derogatory fanboy attitude posts, but then i don't really care, cause you're probably just a bad troll.
If you're happy with EDM be happy while the fame lasts and you're still under the impression it's fresh and progressive.
Is not about trolling is all about facts. And the biggest trolls is the entire dance scene are the Trance community. Such a jaded bunch towards djs like Hardwell and other EDM producers.
They abuse any producers or fans that like EDM over Trance music. I am just sick of the hypocrisy ******** where Trance fans call other genres commercial when their scene was full of acts that went commercial throughout the 2000s.
At the end of the day EDM is just another word for new House music. And it is a genre that has made Trance a sound of the past..
ViolonC
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
So 'EDM' is a genre now? I thought it was just a stupid American abbreviation for electronic dance music.
It's a genre like pop music is a genre. It is a category to sum up a bunch of different genres and their crossovers that have become popular. It is foremost a marketing term and therefore uses broadly like Gothic Metal or Gangster Rap has been labeled on everything that didn't seem too ridiculous to make it interesting to buy. EDM somewhat replaced the term 'dance music' - thou it's basically this - to have a new fresh image while the old term is more associated with the old music. The term itself may be a lend from 'EBM', that is actually not that far off.
Arguing genres is always tricky as they are fluent and overlapping. And sometimes you are not helping pressing things into genres. Powerstomp is a subgenre of UK Hardcore crossing over from Hardstyle and has undeniably already had a big influence on the current UK Hardcore sound.
The funny thing with EDM is now that it's a marketing term so you can subsume there whatever you want that broadly figures. Dubstep, Trap, all kinds of House styles with funny names like complextro. Hence the confusion or impression that this "genre" is evolving.
Triquatra
I'm getting confused as to why any of this matters, again. Is it lunchtime yet? I need my carer to wheel me back inside because it's beginning to rain out here. Maaaaaaaaaatlock!
Future_Shock
Wah wah wah
This complaining obviously represents a minority given that a lot of these artists are still relevant today and you're still talking about them so they obviously made the right move.
Also if he sold out good for him. Money and happiness is the aim of the game and props to anyone for doing it well.
jordesuvi
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Is not about trolling is all about facts. And the biggest trolls is the entire dance scene are the Trance community. Such a jaded bunch towards djs like Hardwell and other EDM producers.
They abuse any producers or fans that like EDM over Trance music. I am just sick of the hypocrisy ******** where Trance fans call other genres commercial when their scene was full of acts that went commercial throughout the 2000s.
Every genre has fan boys. On my YouTube videos I have commenters saying "F*ck Skrillex" when he's got nothing to do with anything.
Hardstyle fans may complain about house kicks being too soft
Progressive/Electro fans may insult a deep/future house fan for jumping on the latest bandwagon/trend, they could insult a hardstyle fan for the music being too hard/fast and could hit back at trance fans for it being too boring.
It's similar to the way elite dance music fans may be caught complaining that "it's not the same anymore" whilst commercial EDM consumers may be completely arrogant to everything outside their bubble of Calvin Harris, Avicii and David Guetta.
It only takes a look inside a few YouTube video comments to see that fans of all genres are abusing each other. Not just trance fans.
quote:
At the end of the day EDM is just another word for new House music. And it is a genre that has made Trance a sound of the past..
Trance is included in EDM. Even hardcore falls into the category of EDM, so does the relatively new Tropical House. Naturally Progressive/Big Room/Electro are the first things you associate when you think EDM since currently they are the most commercial genres.
But seriously, as long as it's made electronically, you can dance to it and it's music.
It's EDM.
Hard2Get
quote:It only takes a look inside a few YouTube video comments to see that fans of all genres are abusing each other. Not just trance fans.
Your first mistake was reading youtube comments, and your second taking them seriously lol. In every single vid on youtube the comments just consist of a load of 12 your olds or older idiots abusing each other about absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter what the vid is.
quote:Tropical House
Is that a new name for Jungle? Lol
quote:But seriously, as long as it's made electronically, you can dance to it and it's music.
It's EDM.
Right. That's what i was thinking. All 'dance' music is EDM. What people associate with the term 'EDM' as you mentioned i just think of as pop music. Or pop-dance music.
jordesuvi
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Your first mistake was reading youtube comments, and your second taking them seriously lol. In every single vid on youtube the comments just consist of a load of 12 your olds or older idiots abusing each other about absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter what the vid is.
You're right. But in a way it's like the instinct of a music fan lashing out due to their young age.
Besides, I see the similar insults thrown by 18-25 year old EDM fans on twitter. The only difference is that it's spelt correctly.
quote:Is that a new name for Jungle? Lol
If I were to describe it, it's like tech house if you were to throw sand, a palm tree, a deck chair and a cup full of sea water at it. If you have the time, a quick "tropical house mix" search would explain it all. It's been trickling its way into UK charts since last Spring.
Samination
like Hard2Get said, don't bother reading what youtubers write. And on here, rafferty is making this to be the "gamergate of trance". It's propably just a vocal minority.
... Kinda like us here when it comes to today's Hardcore :P
ViolonC
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