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| arpz |
Thought I'd give everyone that isn't using Facebook a heads up about a new CD coming from Slipmatt. After reaching the momentus milestone of 23 years since SMD #1 Slipmatt has chucked all of the SMD's on a CD with a couple of mixes n that. I've ordered it because I need a Slipmatt signature for my collection and because hopefully all the tracks will be amazing quality and so on
https://www.worldofrave.co.uk/product/smd-the-ultimate-collection/
SMD ? Pre-Order Your Signed CD Now For Pre-Christmas UK Delivery
Over 23 years in the making and a massive part of one of the biggest underground music genres of the 90s, I am extremely proud to share with you my pride and joy, and in fact strangely this SMD project is my debut solo album even after all these years in to my music career spanning 5 decades!!! Although this is a very, dare I say it, bootleggy album, it?s totally from the heart and I?m sure it will take you right back to the days of Helter Skelter, Dreamscape, Slammin Vinyl, World Dance, and the list could go on for miles. I?m really glad to put all of these classic SMD tracks together once and for all and I hope you enjoy this double album as much as I have enjoyed putting it togethe |
| djDMS |
Been posted already in the releases section ;-) |
| arpz |
oh bollocks. sorry everyone. |
| Mickey Init |
When are the mods getting rid of the other sections on here? Or were they merging? |
| Samination |
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Originally posted by Mickey Init:
When are the mods getting rid of the other sections on here? Or were they merging?
why get rid of it? get rid of people who very well knows we have multiple section, that are francly easy to visit, yet never does it... |
| arpz |
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Mickey Init:
When are the mods getting rid of the other sections on here? Or were they merging?
why get rid of it? get rid of people who very well knows we have multiple section, that are francly easy to visit, yet never does it...
I said I was sorry, no need to deport me ;) |
| Mickey Init |
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Originally posted by Samination:
why get rid of it? get rid of people who very well knows we have multiple section, that are francly easy to visit, yet never does it...
Indeed.
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| Mickey Init |
The VG remix wipes the floor with the others. |
| Smoogie |
I think that you should get it for free if you can tell every SMD apart.
I like SMD5, or at least I think that is what it is. It is a remix of Dreamcorp - Dream Finder, an absolute classic from 1991 and Slipmatt's version appears on Vibes mix of Bonkers 6 although it is classed as SMD#5 (Remix) |
| SPOOX |
Ordered this. Looks good. I own most of the tracks on vinyl but nice to have them on a limited edition CD. |
| Skidzorz |
Is this sold out already!? Rly disappointed if so :/. This was only posted 2 weeks ago.
Hardcore is in this weird state where you can't just make 1000 of everything because you will absolutely lose large amounts of money, but a lot of shit ends up not making it to the hands of everyone that wanted a copy because its always better to be short than be over.
Kniteforce are the kings of this :/.
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| Samination |
Well they prove that they dont care for longivity, and rathe go for a quick cash grab.
Everyone hate DJ Ham for doing it, but tbh Thumpa is worse, and now everyone is copying him.
If it really was just about the music, why keep it locked in for the next generation? |
| Skidzorz |
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Originally posted by Samination:
Well they prove that they dont care for longivity, and rathe go for a quick cash grab.
Everyone hate DJ Ham for doing it, but tbh Thumpa is worse, and now everyone is copying him.
If it really was just about the music, why keep it locked in for the next generation?
That's a totally different situation. That's him purposefully limiting it and then making an insane price point. Kniteforce dooesn't limit their shit to 100 copies and then charge 200$ CDN each .. he charges normal prices but limits his shit to small numbers because he knows anything more is just asking for a big loss. However, every now and then you get a project such as this or Dont Die Wondering where the small numbers backfires and limits the amount of people who got a copy to way below how many wanted one.
Dunno about the Tumpa shit; did he do something along the lines of HAM's project? |
| arpz |
No, Thumpa pressed 350 copies of his latest 3 CD album, it took a good few weeks or maybe a couple of months to sell out, if people actually want them then they can get them. I don't really see why labels should have to have loads of stock hanging around in the hope that someone will eventually buy it. |
| djDMS |
Trolling failure, Jacket.
What idiot would waste a load of their own money manufacturing 1000+ CD's only to sell half that number or less? |
| Skidzorz |
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Trolling failure, Jacket.
What idiot would waste a load of their own money manufacturing 1000+ CD's only to sell half that number or less?
And yet it seems like Nintendo goes out of their way to ONLY manufacture 1000 of the shit they make (Nintendo Classic I'm looking at you), being totally out of touch with reality and consumer demand :/. |
| arpz |
With Nintendo it may well be a strategic choice. I don't think you can really apply the kind of numbers involved in that situation to the UK Hardcore scene in any way at all.
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| Samination |
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Originally posted by Skidzorz:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Well they prove that they dont care for longivity, and rathe go for a quick cash grab.
Everyone hate DJ Ham for doing it, but tbh Thumpa is worse, and now everyone is copying him.
If it really was just about the music, why keep it locked in for the next generation?
That's a totally different situation. That's him purposefully limiting it and then making an insane price point. Kniteforce dooesn't limit their shit to 100 copies and then charge 200$ CDN each .. he charges normal prices but limits his shit to small numbers because he knows anything more is just asking for a big loss. However, every now and then you get a project such as this or Dont Die Wondering where the small numbers backfires and limits the amount of people who got a copy to way below how many wanted one.
Dunno about the Tumpa shit; did he do something along the lines of HAM's project?
The difference is, DJ Ham is/was open with he wanted 10 000, and he limited it to 100 people because doing it personally (and probably to evade taxes). In the end I wouldn't be suprised me there might be up to 300 people who is sharing the costs (and he said he was somewhat fine with that). Thumpa doesn't re-release because of the hassle of it.
djDMS: I never said it should be re-released exclusively on CD. He could easily do like HU and after it's originally run release it on a digital store, or even release them for free.
And compared to DJ Ham, Thumpa releases a bunch of people's tracks. Do you think 100% of them don't want people to be able to listen to their music, or do they really want to condem them to the depth of nothingness in 20 years time? To be honest, in 20 years time, people will still remember the music from 90's than Thumpa's CDs. And no, it's not about me or that I used to be a pirate. I haven't missed out on any of the Thumpa CD's (unless he's really blocking me from buying them now). I'm honestly thinking of future listeners, who might enjoy the music so much but can't get it, other than maybe 2nd hand or pirated, who might wish to buy the music, or it get it legally. Where is the chance for them then? In this aspect, DJ Ham is definitly much worse.
Also, Nintendo has done that shit since the Gamecube, artificially upping the price. Only problem is that it's usually 2nd hand that sees the upped prices Nintendo want to see (Nintendo screwed me over when the Nintendo Wii released, and I had pre-ordered it in a local toy store long before they even went out and said that it wont be able to ship enough consoles). |
| arpz |
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Skidzorz:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Well they prove that they dont care for longivity, and rathe go for a quick cash grab.
Everyone hate DJ Ham for doing it, but tbh Thumpa is worse, and now everyone is copying him.
If it really was just about the music, why keep it locked in for the next generation?
That's a totally different situation. That's him purposefully limiting it and then making an insane price point. Kniteforce dooesn't limit their shit to 100 copies and then charge 200$ CDN each .. he charges normal prices but limits his shit to small numbers because he knows anything more is just asking for a big loss. However, every now and then you get a project such as this or Dont Die Wondering where the small numbers backfires and limits the amount of people who got a copy to way below how many wanted one.
Dunno about the Tumpa shit; did he do something along the lines of HAM's project?
The difference is, DJ Ham is/was open with he wanted 10 000, and he limited it to 100 people because doing it personally (and probably to evade taxes). In the end I wouldn't be suprised me there might be up to 300 people who is sharing the costs (and he said he was somewhat fine with that). Thumpa doesn't re-release because of the hassle of it.
djDMS: I never said it should be re-released exclusively on CD. He could easily do like HU and after it's originally run release it on a digital store, or even release them for free.
And compared to DJ Ham, Thumpa releases a bunch of people's tracks. Do you think 100% of them don't want people to be able to listen to their music, or do they really want to condem them to the depth of nothingness in 20 years time? To be honest, in 20 years time, people will still remember the music from 90's than Thumpa's CDs. And no, it's not about me or that I used to be a pirate. I haven't missed out on any of the Thumpa CD's (unless he's really blocking me from buying them now). I'm honestly thinking of future listeners, who might enjoy the music so much but can't get it, other than maybe 2nd hand or pirated, who might wish to buy the music, or it get it legally. Where is the chance for them then? In this aspect, DJ Ham is definitly much worse.
The people that are releasing their music on Thumpa's label will definitely be aware of the model before they put their tracks on the albums. Part of the reason Thumpa is able to sell XXX numbers quickly is no doubt because it isn't getting repressed and it isn't being made available digitally. If people knew they could just wait for a digital release for probably less money, then they'll do that and the revenue stream dries up. You're only going to sell as many copies as the market supports. In the 90s it was much bigger, now it's not, so in some future utopia where there's thousands of new people wanting to buy old hardcore, they'll actually have an easier time buying 90s stuff. Unfortunately that's the nature of the beast - it looks to me like the people still pushing physical items really are interested in keeping some actually perceived value to the music. Mainly that comes from having something you can look at and hold but also some exclusivity adds to it too. |
| Samination |
If Hard2get still made posts, he would call me an entitled prick. :P
Anyways, I guess the views on Music has always been different between Labels, producers and listeners. you probably can't see this as much on bigger market because the Labels want to get more money, and they do it because people who want the music keeps buying it. Hardcore, no so much because the demographic is usually poorer, aswell as the artists themselves. |
| arpz |
Got home and here it is :)
Signed properly, not like Gammers pisstake 'effort' |
| Craigavon raver |
quote:
Originally posted by Smoogie:
I think that you should get it for free if you can tell every SMD apart.
I like SMD5, or at least I think that is what it is. It is a remix of Dreamcorp - Dream Finder, an absolute classic from 1991 and Slipmatt's version appears on Vibes mix of Bonkers 6 although it is classed as SMD#5 (Remix)
Agree with this! which smd is which! every cd has them labelled different, one cd would have it smd 2a and the exact same tack would be labled smd 3aa on another cd for example, confusing as ****, can the djs or however labels the tracklist ona cd not even get which track there playing, the only smd i can defiently identify as being the right one is smd 1, it actually annoyed me that much years ago i actually typed them all into youtube to see which track was which number and i'm still none the wiser! lmao |
| trippnface |
someone.... help me aquire this...
somehow ****ing missed this until today when seeing the new comp of old happy hardcore tracks he is releasing.. but i want BREAKS |
| Sc@r |
ordered this! looks absolutely amazing |
| trippnface |
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Originally posted by Sc@r:
ordered this! looks absolutely amazing
what the hell sc@r ; ordering things that are sold out :p
and the only copy on discog is from poland; and apparently that vendor won't send to usa </3 |
| Captain Triceps |
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Originally posted by trippnface:
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Originally posted by Sc@r:
ordered this! looks absolutely amazing
what the hell sc@r ; ordering things that are sold out :p
and the only copy on discog is from poland; and apparently that vendor won't send to usa </3
Could Sc@r be getting confused with the new Universal Records album Slipmatt is releasing?
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| Thumpa |
Samination why you bringing my name up? I am worse? WORSE? I was one of the few labels actually releasing music for a long time.
The people who started buying music after the mid 90s are so ****ing entitled, I remember having to hang around record shops just hoping a certain tune would come in on white label, a day or 2 later and those 5/10/20 copies would be gone and that would be it til discogs came around 5/10 years later.
My albums were always 400/500 copies and everyone was allowed to buy a copy, even people in god forsaken countries who never even lived 50 miles from a music shop.
My albums were also like ?10/15/20 MAX including shipping to another country. Plus I spent hours in post offices sending CDs out. Don't ever moan about me, I'm one of the good guys. |
| Si Thompson |
Think i may have a few beers on Friday. |
| arpz |
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
Samination why you bringing my name up?
I think he's of the view that all music should be sat available to buy at any point in the future that he decides to get his credit card out, if that means sitting on thousands of shrink-wrapped copies then so be it
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| Samination |
I made that bloody comment 6 months ago. Heck I barely remembered this thread until someone started posting it in again.
To be honest, I can't remember why I made that comment about you being worse than DJ Ham. The only thing I can think of is your though about not re-releasing the albums, even in simpler forms like digital or even free. Which is still not worse, because like you said, you released 300-400 on multiple albums compared to Ham's original aim at 100 only for 1 album.
I'm just someone who's embraced the digital era better than most. I would prefer that the money, however small, STILL goes to the artists, rather than some seller on discogs who might be earning more on other people's tracks |
| robertybob |
If someone wants to make 500 copies of a CD (these days in the hardcore scene, not a small amount by any means) and not re-press, I get that, there's a large upfront cost and you've got to store them somewhere.
In 2017 where it's so straightforward to stick music online for people to buy, I really don't understand the resistance to doing so. More money for artists, more hardcore out there to buy (regardless of the age of the tracks). I presume Thumpa's already considered this and has his reasons.. |
| Samination |
if I remember correctly Thumpa said that the digitals didn't sell at all. But then digitals aren't a crashgrab, it's mean't to be a income over a longer period |
| Thumpa |
Some releases sold 150/200 mp3s like Dynamo Cookie or the cheesier stuff, some of the obscure EPs (Firefly, Gavin G, Sam B) sold 50/75 copies, when it was just releasing music digitally it was quite varied and some releases were obscure. |
| trippnface |
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
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Originally posted by trippnface:
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Originally posted by Sc@r:
ordered this! looks absolutely amazing
what the hell sc@r ; ordering things that are sold out :p
and the only copy on discog is from poland; and apparently that vendor won't send to usa </3
Could Sc@r be getting confused with the new Universal Records album Slipmatt is releasing?
I bet.
i will buy that for someone ; and trade it for this one lol. |
| mattpositive |
Ugh, I don't understand why they just didn't use the super awesome and simple original label SMD design. I love 93-94 HHC label art, ie. just one color and text.
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Originally posted by arpz:
Got home and here it is :)
Signed properly, not like Gammers pisstake 'effort'
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