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T O P I C     R E V I E W zilv3r I'm totally new to the world of DJ'ing, yet I've been intrested in HHC since I was about 7. And I'd like to move to the next stage of actually making/mixing my own music, I do a lot electronically, which is quite easy once you get the hang of it. But anyhow moving on.. Firstly what would I need? A pair of deck's I assume, but what kind, what's the differance, starting mixer, speakers, and so on. My price range is around £10,000. Within this I want to get a sound system to fill a room that can hold around 100/200 people. The kind of style of music I like to listen too depends on my state of mind, but I will listen to anything that has a beat or a choon I can dance too. So the deck's/mixer/sound system has to be able to cope from, club beats, to happy hardcore to drum and bass. For this kind of price range, I'm going to have to be looking at second hand stuff right? Anyhow, I've no idea how any of it works, so a question to everyone that own's a pair of deck's, how did you learn, and how did you start off? Why all the pressure to sum up my life, my religion, my whole world in one line? zilv3r That's the deck's ordered :D Is the mixer ok? Or should I upgrade? What do you think on my choice of Decks? Why all the pressure to sum up my life, my religion, my whole world in one line? kg4 yeah, those are good, but arnt they a little pricey for someone who is just starting? i mean, who knows you may hate mixing once you try it o_O "We'll always be together, forever for it seems. We'll always be together in electric dreams. " zilv3r Just over a grand, pretty cheap, and I doubt I'll hate it, I might get fed up of it as I might not get the hang of it straight away (story of my life) but I'll always have a dabble :D Why all the pressure to sum up my life, my religion, my whole world in one line? godisadj If your price range is £10,000 why don't you go to a dj store and get them to sort out everything for you. "WE'VE ALL GOT A MISSION, WE GET INTO DIFFERENT RUTS, SOME ARE THE COGS ON THE WHEELS, OTHERS ARE PLAIN NUTS!" StrifeII *cough* audio *cough* warez *cough* want a link? pm me "Nice decks!" ha ha... Heard the mixer is good, is that the worlds first digital mixer or something like that? heard it somewhere... As for the sound system you'll probably need about 100000000W...nah im exaggerating....about 1000W's which should cost just over a grand...cerwin-vega are nice :D If you're looking to spend quite a lot, check these: http://www.htfr.com/products/browseprod.php?browseby=bycat&category=speakers&catno=MR25797& But not so much, i recommend this: http://www.htfr.com/products/browseprod.php?browseby=bycat&category=speakers&catno=MR69715& Amp: http://www.htfr.com/products/browseprod.php?browseby=bycat&category=amplifiers&catno=MR47995& You don't have to listen to me obviously, and i recommend you get some pro advice aswell, but that's the stuff i recommend for a smallish room. For production, it depends. Cubase is the standard, and obviously very good, but i've heard reason kicks ass too...all depends what you want. Cubase is an all in one production studio which uses notation, samples, virtual instruments, and something else and reason is made up of racks, and more can be added with refill packs. Come to think of it, i started off with dance eJay! ha ha... as for learning, it just come naturally to me, somehow, listening to the beat and speeding up/slowing down. But numark do a package which teaches you how to do it for 10 pounds and has free shipping. http://www.htfr.com/products/browseprod.php?browseby=bycat&category=book&catno=MR56811& think its exclusive to this store. Hardcore Will Never Die zilv3r Thanks for your info, your second choice of speaker was my first choice :D Now hold back the laughter when I ask this question, as you all may know all this, but for me i'm still learning. Right an AMP, it amplifies the volume, I gathered that much, but how does it work? HOW does it amp the sound? Does it send more current down the line or ?? Why all the pressure to sum up my life, my religion, my whole world in one line? DJ Mouse i think it works like a step up transformer,eg two electromagnets. but a bit more complicated obviously basically,if you feed 5 volts through one electromagnet with 20 coils that then goes into another with 40 coils,10 volts will come out at the end of the cable. it'll work somewhere along those lines -------------------------------------------------- "Don't frown when someone annoys you, it uses 42 muscles. Bitch-slap the fu©ker, it only uses 4" DJ Mouse kraz-e-kat get a pair of Technic SL1200 m3ds (probably around 900$ new) get a vestax pmc25 pro (300$ at musician's friend.com) a couple of ortofon dj cartridges (blue ones) sony mdvr700 headphones buy Reason, Recycle, and Rebirth all by propellerhead software. you can get most of this stuff at either musiciansfriend.com, idjnow.com, or pssl.com that's basically my setup and im happy with it...everything is running through a pc (which will cost probably about 1,200 or so for a decent one, more for a good laptop) all in US dollars of course. http://katpad.moonfruit.com skies2049 should i get that? just dance........ zilv3r What are dj cartridges? Why all the pressure to sum up my life, my religion, my whole world in one line? godisadj dj cartridges are for decks, they hold the stylus on the record at the end of the tone arm. I like stanton ones. "WE'VE ALL GOT A MISSION, WE GET INTO DIFFERENT RUTS, SOME ARE THE COGS ON THE WHEELS, OTHERS ARE PLAIN NUTS!" kraz-e-kat these are cartridges.... http://123dj.com/cartridges/ccdj.html those are the ones you should get also. that is a good price. just make sure you get two of them (one for each turntable). there are other ones, such as the stanton trackmaster/discmaster etc. but in my experience (about a dozen times using them at parties), they tend to jump a lot and for some reason seem to "break" easily. the ortofons are top quality cartriges, stick like glue to the record groove, and sound GREAT. Remember, when you get your tables/mixer/cartridges/headphones, and then buy some records (check out subsonicunderground.com or imorecords.com), it may be a while before you can mix. it takes dedication, practice, patience, and lots of time. i spent probably AT LEAST an hour a day for a couple months before i could beat match successfully on a consistent basis. dont get frustrated and quit or it will be the biggest waste of money you've spent. http://katpad.moonfruit.com godisadj I think I'll ditch the stantons now kraz-e-kat, I was told they're the most reliable but I get the same trouble with them 'jumping'. I'll try the ortofon's instead. "WE'VE ALL GOT A MISSION, WE GET INTO DIFFERENT RUTS, SOME ARE THE COGS ON THE WHEELS, OTHERS ARE PLAIN NUTS!" DJ Mouse my stantons never jump,you haven't got the tone arm set up properly,as in the counterbalance at the back. -------------------------------------------------- "Don't frown when someone annoys you, it uses 42 muscles. Bitch-slap the fu©ker, it only uses 4" DJ Mouse godisadj I've got the counter balance as far in as it will go, the anti-skate is at 4 but still if I hit the table or even sometimes when I walk past it the tone arm will jump across the record. When I dj and the bass is turned up slightly it sounds terrible. It might be the table I have, maybe I should invest in a proper deckstation, or a half decent set of decks. "WE'VE ALL GOT A MISSION, WE GET INTO DIFFERENT RUTS, SOME ARE THE COGS ON THE WHEELS, OTHERS ARE PLAIN NUTS!" Soren "My price range is around £10,000. Within this I want to get a sound system to fill a room that can hold around 100/200 people." I'm a bit confused by some of the resopnses. Are you looking for a complete DJ/sound setup, or a DJ/Sound/Producing setup? DJ STYLUS Fkin 'eck u got ambissions!! Oh look at me, i'm pleasing people. I'm the magical man from lolly pop island...... ....By the way I was being sarcastic!! Soren LOL, he sure does. But hey if you got $15,000 sitting around what better way to spend it? DJ Mouse anti skate's got nothing to do with making it jump. and as for the counterbalance, what you need to do is to have it so the tone arm balances EXACTLY,so it doesn't drop on to the deck or go in the air. then turn the bit at the front of the counterbalance to zero. then turn the whole counterbalance to the weight of your cartridge. also,what decks are you on? if they're belt drives then expect them to jump no matter what. -------------------------------------------------- "Don't frown when someone annoys you, it uses 42 muscles. Bitch-slap the fu©ker, it only uses 4" DJ Mouse DJ STYLUS How about a new car??? Oh look at me, i'm pleasing people. I'm the magical man from lolly pop island...... ....By the way I was being sarcastic!! skies2049 that would be nice! just dance........ zilv3r Already got myself a new Toyota Celica, and I don't want a studio (would be too tempting to buy stuff that looks good but has no use to me) I just want the decks/mixer/amp and a decent sound system to fill an small arena that can hold about 200 people. Why all the pressure to sum up my life, my religion, my whole world in one line? DJ STYLUS Wot mark celica is it 1,2,3,4???? Also wot model e.g GT2!I like the new 2000 Edition!!! But personally i'd rather have a Audio TTS Or a beemer M3!!!! YEAH!!!! I got a 1999 Ford Mondeo Saloon 1.8i 16V Zetec!!! With CD player, Air Con, Traction Control. Cost me £3995, it was in an accident thats why it was cheap but i work as a full time mechanic, so me and some ova peeps fixed it. Now one problem is the insurance which is £1753 using tescos insurance!!! OUCH!!! Oh look at me, i'm pleasing people. I'm the magical man from lolly pop island...... ....By the way I was being sarcastic!! DJ Mouse ^^ that's nothing. i'm paying £1800 to insure a h reg fiesta 1.1!!! consider yourself lucky there -------------------------------------------------- "Don't frown when someone annoys you, it uses 42 muscles. Bitch-slap the fu©ker, it only uses 4" DJ Mouse DJ STYLUS Shit for a 1100cc 1991 Fiesta you r paying a lot change insurance company....U'll get that for less than £1000 easy!!! Shit man i could insure an xr2i at that price!! Oh look at me, i'm pleasing people. I'm the magical man from lolly pop island...... ....By the way I was being sarcastic!! DJ Mouse i got a claim against me though. (first car got nicked) if i didn't have that claim i'd be paying 1100 -------------------------------------------------- "Don't frown when someone annoys you, it uses 42 muscles. Bitch-slap the fu©ker, it only uses 4" DJ Mouse DJ STYLUS Car thiefs are such bastards hopefully no 1 will try it to mine (Alarm and immobiliser equiped)!!!! At the min i want the blue and yellow duckhams mark 2 touring kit for my car, but im low on funds, so i'll have to settle for clear side repeaters and an aluminium tax disc holder for now =( Oh look at me, i'm pleasing people. I'm the magical man from lolly pop island...... ....By the way I was being sarcastic!! skies2049 i want a car!!! just dance........ DJ STYLUS My m8s selling his vectra its the fkn best... ...Vauxhall Vectra 1997 2000cc 16v Ecotec, ABS, TC, MCRallying Vectra Vision EVO Kit with Twin Spoiler, Double Exaust System, Skirts Front Spoiler, White Speedos, Door Sills Momo Arrows 17" Alloys!!! A nice Dark Purple Colour He wants £4999 And that is a fkn bargain!!!! The alloys he got off me cheap should b £1299 but got em for £800 , he wants a 2001 Mazda MX-5] So if u want it....U know wot to do!? Oh look at me, i'm pleasing people. I'm the magical man from lolly pop island...... ....By the way I was being sarcastic!! Soren OK, now that I know what you want :) Decks: get a pair of the Technics 1200 Mk3D's. They are the industry standard, and for good reasons. $1000 For a mixer get a top of the line Vestax like a PMC-07 or something, or the Pioneer DJM-600 depending on how many channels you need. Vestax just makes the best mixers. And don't be fooled by the digital mixers. Digital mixers have been around for a while now and they always suk. People keep reintroducing them, but from everything I have heard (ive never used one though) you should stay clear of them. Mixer ~$1000 Main speakers: 2X JBL SR4731X double 12" 2-Way's short pole mounted on 2X JBL SR4718X 18" Subs. These cost quite a bit but they are (arguably) bar-none the best speakers you can buy for a PA. $4500 Amps: A QSC PLX3402 for the 12"s. And a QSC PLX2402 for the subs. QSC has been making some really good/cheap amps lately and those 2 are almost perfectly matched to the JBL's maximum power handling. $2000 Monitors: 2X MACKIE SRM450. They are really light and they sound good. A lot of people are using them as monitors now, and for good reason. $1500 Speaker Stands: Whatever U like- ~$400 for 2 stands and 2 poles. Cables- XLR's for the speakers and really good cables all around- ~$300 So there you have it. That's what I suggest. All for about $11,000 which is well within your limit and leaves $4000 for a lighting rig if you need one. For anywhere from 200-500 people that system would kick arse. The JBL Srx series when properly powered is one of the tightest sounding systems I have heard. I listened to almost that exact setup at Mars and the bass hit you hard and didn't sound all muddy like most every other system I have heard. Good luck!!! PS: I base those suggestions not only on many reviews i have read, but also my friend is the store manager at Mars music and does the sound setup for most all the clubs, concerts, etc in the Boston area and he agrees that all that stuff is the best for a speaker system running ~$5000-~10000 Peas out!!! skies2049 wooooo! lots of money! just dance........ DJ STYLUS Yeah loadsa cash...which i aint GOT!!! Oh look at me, i'm making people happy. I'm the magical man from lolly pop island...... ....By the way I was being sarcastic!! Soren Well i'm pretty sure that zilv3r does, and he's the one that asked... "BANG" zilv3r Not really, anyone can have money you just have to put some hard graft into whatever it is you do. If you don't like the job your doing, go out and find a job that you do like! I've worked many a shit job, till I found out that I could get paid for what I do at home, just pissing about setting up network's and installing software/adminstration. If you can't find a job that's to your liking, give me a ring, and I'll put you in contact with some arm's dealers :D Why all the pressure to sum up my life, my religion, my whole world in one line?