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silver What is your next favorite electronic genre besides hardcore?

Note: The genres listed are intentionally generic.
eg. If you like "vocal trance" then you should vote for trance.
bulby_g Psy Trance. I put other as it's very different to normal trance IMO.
djDMS Trance - especially that really cheesy stuff that rips off old Hardcore tunes!
Chris B
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
Trance - especially that really cheesy stuff that rips off old Hardcore tunes!



http://www.threebeatrecords.co.uk/3beat/exists.php?catno=SUSPEX001&artist=SUSPEX&title=DONT_GO_AWAY_(KB_PROJECT_MIX)&label=SUSPEX&trackid=73303

scouse bounce DMS lol, i think this rips been done really well myself prefer it to the old hardcore mix.

Kinda like with uk hardcore most scouse i cant get into cos it sounds wank but theres odd bits that are class.

Anyway about this vote i'm not really sure cos i love all those styles for different reasons.

Breaks is just groovy and got loadsa diff styles to it, commercial trancey to funky to techy can take a set on a journey well with it.

Trance was my main love for years the euphorias unbeatable, 97-01 mellow rushy stuff i'll always love it.

House i'm just listenin to a classic piano set just now, and my mate who dj's the electro stuff always gets new tunes that impress me.

And psy trance also rockin, is true what people say about needing to here it out a big system to get the full effect of the production. I'd listened on radios and found it really dull but it's not at all. Very complicated and creates a good party.

So aye i dont have a clue i jus love music
Knightmare EBM
Chris Goldfinger My vote went to other!!

Hardstyle is my prefered style altougth i also spin house, trance, techno and oldskool

Basically i just love all kinds of eletronic dance music.

If its good music i don't bother what genre it is as good music is good music!! Simply
Xenochrome D&B
Fishy
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Psy Trance. I put other as it's very different to normal trance IMO.



Same
DarrenJ electro disco

alot of nice moving and uplifting stuff out there
still listening to the latest psb cd, good stuff
whittle1 Probably teh trance
Brian K good lord there's a bunch of trance poofters on this site =P

enjoy some electro/punk dnb myself...not like the old days where you could tell if it was a good dnb track by the amount of beastie boys samples it had in it
B.C Love Funky/Electro House just now.
Cotts hard nrg or hardstyle
clarke101
quote:
Originally posted by djnateking:
D&B



Same
Simon
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
EBM



EBM & Darkwave for me as well.

capone13 HARDSTYLE!!
Nooney Drum & Bass
But, I love a lot of different electronic styles.
When it comes down to it, good music is good music.
spangled_rabbit0906x hard style all the way, world would be borin wit out it n e ways the harder the better x
NeXuS its all about the drumz
its all about that base
Knightmare
quote:
Originally posted by Simon:
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
EBM



EBM & Darkwave for me as well.





you just scored major points in my book.
Chris B I'm not too sure what this EBM and darkwave is?

I no IDM but i take it this is different, any links or recommendations for me to check it out lads?
Knightmare
quote:
Originally posted by Chris B:
I'm not too sure what this EBM and darkwave is?

I no IDM but i take it this is different, any links or recommendations for me to check it out lads?



EBM: Suicide Commando, Front 242, Combichrist, Hocico, VNV Nation, Covenant, Grendel, Aslan Faction, Assemblage 23 (with heavy futurepop influence)

Darkwave: The Crüxshadows, Das Ich (has a lot of EBM influence), Switchblade symphony, BlutEngel, Lacrimosa, Bella Morte


whispering Other: Eurodance (in which i also include Super Eurobeat, BubbleGum etc eventhough some purists think they arent Eurodance :p)

Theres some awesome tunes from said genres:

Eurodance
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kjSnbg_olBM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-vwFNJen2K0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=klZsjn9LgZ4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X0l8Y5yH0QI

Super Eurobeat
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qvef3cZ91o8

BubbleGum
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4SdBAqEfwM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T7iwfxQj5ao
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rEya089zbLI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=133KutDLcM8

Remember when i used Discogs, was adding some quality albums to the DB and some of the ****s i mean mods said to take my crap elsewhere -> took down all pending updates from all genres and never used the site again :p Been listening it well over 10 years and its still just as awesome as i first heard it.
Simon
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
quote:
Originally posted by Chris B:
I'm not too sure what this EBM and darkwave is?

I no IDM but i take it this is different, any links or recommendations for me to check it out lads?



EBM: Suicide Commando, Front 242, Combichrist, Hocico, VNV Nation, Covenant, Grendel, Aslan Faction, Assemblage 23 (with heavy futurepop influence)

Darkwave: The Crüxshadows, Das Ich (has a lot of EBM influence), Switchblade symphony, BlutEngel, Lacrimosa, Bella Morte




Funker Vogt, Project Pitchfork, Apoptygma Berzerk, Terminal Choice, Skinny Puppy, Wumpscut, Technoir, And One, Girls Under Glass, Controlled Fusion, The Eternal Afflict, God Module, Combichrist, Sara Noxx etc etc.
Knightmare
quote:
Originally posted by Simon:
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
quote:
Originally posted by Chris B:
I'm not too sure what this EBM and darkwave is?

I no IDM but i take it this is different, any links or recommendations for me to check it out lads?



EBM: Suicide Commando, Front 242, Combichrist, Hocico, VNV Nation, Covenant, Grendel, Aslan Faction, Assemblage 23 (with heavy futurepop influence)

Darkwave: The Crüxshadows, Das Ich (has a lot of EBM influence), Switchblade symphony, BlutEngel, Lacrimosa, Bella Morte




Funker Vogt, Project Pitchfork, Apoptygma Berzerk, Terminal Choice, Skinny Puppy, Wumpscut, Technoir, And One, Girls Under Glass, Controlled Fusion, The Eternal Afflict, God Module, Combichrist, Sara Noxx etc etc.



aren't Funker Vogt and Apoptygma Berzerk futurepop?
Simon
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
quote:
Originally posted by Simon:
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
quote:
Originally posted by Chris B:
I'm not too sure what this EBM and darkwave is?

I no IDM but i take it this is different, any links or recommendations for me to check it out lads?



EBM: Suicide Commando, Front 242, Combichrist, Hocico, VNV Nation, Covenant, Grendel, Aslan Faction, Assemblage 23 (with heavy futurepop influence)

Darkwave: The Crüxshadows, Das Ich (has a lot of EBM influence), Switchblade symphony, BlutEngel, Lacrimosa, Bella Morte




Funker Vogt, Project Pitchfork, Apoptygma Berzerk, Terminal Choice, Skinny Puppy, Wumpscut, Technoir, And One, Girls Under Glass, Controlled Fusion, The Eternal Afflict, God Module, Combichrist, Sara Noxx etc etc.



aren't Funker Vogt and Apoptygma Berzerk futurepop?



Apop more so now but their early stuff is very dark. No chance for Funker Vogt they're rough all the way through.
tklown drum & bass :)
Nooney
quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
Other: Eurodance (in which i also include Super Eurobeat, BubbleGum etc eventhough some purists think they arent Eurodance :p)

Theres some awesome tunes from said genres:

Eurodance
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kjSnbg_olBM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-vwFNJen2K0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=klZsjn9LgZ4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X0l8Y5yH0QI

Super Eurobeat
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qvef3cZ91o8

BubbleGum
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4SdBAqEfwM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T7iwfxQj5ao
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rEya089zbLI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=133KutDLcM8

Remember when i used Discogs, was adding some quality albums to the DB and some of the ****s i mean mods said to take my crap elsewhere -> took down all pending updates from all genres and never used the site again :p Been listening it well over 10 years and its still just as awesome as i first heard it.



That Bubblegum shit is masochistic to my ears.
Sk8SiM
quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
Other: Eurodance (in which i also include Super Eurobeat, BubbleGum etc eventhough some purists think they arent Eurodance :p)

Theres some awesome tunes from said genres:

Eurodance
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kjSnbg_olBM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-vwFNJen2K0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=klZsjn9LgZ4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X0l8Y5yH0QI

Super Eurobeat
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qvef3cZ91o8

BubbleGum
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4SdBAqEfwM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T7iwfxQj5ao
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rEya089zbLI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=133KutDLcM8

Remember when i used Discogs, was adding some quality albums to the DB and some of the ****s i mean mods said to take my crap elsewhere -> took down all pending updates from all genres and never used the site again :p Been listening it well over 10 years and its still just as awesome as i first heard it.

awww man! that brings back the 90's man :D the good old days of childhood! the 90's kicked ass man! it was a wikid decade!

just watching that aqua video had me in bits, but it made me think!
the other dude had the image of "a cool dude" and it was wikid man!

but this days... theres no such thing as cool dude ... its "gansta!!"
Then just take one look outside to see how bad todays youth is lol!

i've always said its a problem that needs to be looked at! THE MEDIA!

they just follow "whatever the kids are into" and think nothing of it! guess... they never think it could lend to other shit!

Ahwell tho... things are getting worse... and i probly ent gonna wanna have kids, i ent gonna bring a living thing into this ****ing sick world! think i'll save them the bother!

mad if only i could go back to the 90's man!!!! I'm ****ing sick of the 21st centry!!! THINGS ARE JUST OUT OF CONTRAL!!!!!
Knightmare
quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
Other: Eurodance (in which i also include Super Eurobeat, BubbleGum etc eventhough some purists think they arent Eurodance :p)

Theres some awesome tunes from said genres:

Eurodance
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kjSnbg_olBM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-vwFNJen2K0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=klZsjn9LgZ4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X0l8Y5yH0QI

Super Eurobeat
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qvef3cZ91o8

BubbleGum
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4SdBAqEfwM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T7iwfxQj5ao
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rEya089zbLI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=133KutDLcM8

Remember when i used Discogs, was adding some quality albums to the DB and some of the ****s i mean mods said to take my crap elsewhere -> took down all pending updates from all genres and never used the site again :p Been listening it well over 10 years and its still just as awesome as i first heard it.



the Ice MC one takes me waaaay back. Love that shit...
Thanks for the trip down memory lane :)


and isn't supereurobeat supposed to be european??? all I see is japanese girls dancing and singing :s

one last question, is bubblegum the same as sugarpop?
lucificifus
quote:
Originally posted by clarke101:
quote:
Originally posted by djnateking:
D&B



Same



same 'ting [:P]
Brian K
quote:
Originally posted by Simon:
Skinny Puppy



nice, haven't listened to them in awhile

didn't realize there were other names for 'industrial,' I'll have to check out some of these other bands you guys listed

you guys listen to kmfdm at all?

Brian K
quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
Remember when i used Discogs, was adding some quality albums to the DB and some of the ****s i mean mods said to take my crap elsewhere ->



well that's lame...if you're trying to have a site that is going to be the ultimate discography don't you think you should include all forms of muzak? =P

Simon
quote:
Originally posted by Brian K:
quote:
Originally posted by Simon:
Skinny Puppy



nice, haven't listened to them in awhile

didn't realize there were other names for 'industrial,' I'll have to check out some of these other bands you guys listed

you guys listen to kmfdm at all?





Of course! How did I fail to mention KMFDM?! They're still going after all these years believe it or not! I'd compare them a little with Mindless Self Indulgence. (Infact they did an awesome mix of "Straight To Video" for Mindless Self Indulgence quite recently)
Brian K
quote:
Originally posted by Simon:
Of course! How did I fail to mention KMFDM?! They're still going after all these years believe it or not! I'd compare them a little with Mindless Self Indulgence. (Infact they did an awesome mix of "Straight To Video" for Mindless Self Indulgence quite recently)



yup yup, it is nice to see bands like this still around after all the years (2 decades!) was really impressed with their straight to video mix as well.

they are going on tour starting this month *excited*
Knightmare
quote:
Originally posted by Brian K:
you guys listen to kmfdm at all?






hell yeah!


and I tend to avoid the term "industrial" as there is too much discussion as to what is real industrial and what's not. Some mix it up with EBM, others with rythmic noise, still others even throw in darkwave and the majority of ppl doesn't even differenciate between the regular industrial and industrial rock (like kmfdm/mdfmk)
Righteous9 I come from an era where, DnB was not even considered Techno, so I go back to that (92' these ravers I used to hang out with, including DJ Anonymous! If you believe that????)... Dark Step! I also, used to collect Gospel House, and UK Garage (Wookie's "Battle", to be specific, which I gave away to a real 2-step DJ)
charlieee NRG man is my next fav after hardcore
NATO Speed Garage(Bassline House these days...)
Triquatra people are still making speed garage? hehehe
hardcore-gabber-nl jumpstyle ^^
2sade speed garage kick butt!
DRuMNBASS *rocks it*
and anything with a bangin a** beat is it for me!
~@sh~ After Happy hardcore comes Hard trance than hardstyle
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Righteous9:
I come from an era where, DnB was not even considered Techno



It never has been nor will it ever be considered techno :P

clarke101
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
people are still making speed garage? hehehe



A couple of friends i used to go to college with used to love speed garage. It was a shame they were the two people with cars
Pope C XXIII Probably Psytrance/Goa, but that's probably just my love of the 303 coming through. The squelch is what makes it for me.
Brian K
quote:
Originally posted by clarke101:
A couple of friends i used to go to college with used to love speed garage. It was a shame they were the two people with cars



haha, I'm suprised speed garage lasted as long as it did...considering it was started as a joke =P

Chris Goldfinger
quote:
Originally posted by capone13:
HARDSTYLE!!



2nd that!!
Righteous9 I like Drum n' Bass but my friend spins Hard House and my other friend spins 2-step/Garage/Speed Garage/French House... Peace "Clarke101"! (If anyone wants a mix pm me...)
Rodriguez C64 Remixes! \o/
tru bass Hardstyle, dutch trance, french house, west coast rap
Scillianaire dancy trance
CatheXis DIRTY GRIMEY NASTY FUNKY ASS ELECTRO
jack5724 its gotta be trance for me, dnb does my head in!!!
Bang-A-Rang I like DnB, Hard House, and NRG
p-steer Hard NRG, psy/goa, old skool DNB, everyone remembers old skool, no matter what age or what era they were born in...got to remember the good times
Dj Sc@r I love my Italian Oldskool!
Chew Gabber
Knightmare ^gabber is hardcore dude :p
Meathead trance & the dreaded scouse house
kathryn
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
trance & the dreaded scouse house



scouse house>>>>>>>>>>>>excuse me whilst i split my sides
Meathead
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn:
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
trance & the dreaded scouse house



scouse house>>>>>>>>>>>>excuse me whilst i split my sides



jimbob squarepants im well into hard trance aswell as hardcore.
love mark eg,mzone,ben eye......blah blah blah....
NeXuS
quote:
Originally posted by Brian K:
quote:
Originally posted by Simon:
Skinny Puppy


nice, haven't listened to them in awhile



still going strong it seems
Righteous9 I like Drum n' Bass, Underground Hip-Hop. and Jazz (Smooth or Experimental), I also listen to Alternative on the radio!
Righteous9 Oh and Ska!
Chew
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
^gabber is hardcore dude :p



Ah, I didn't read the title properly, I thought it said besides happy hardcore.

As much as people don't like it I'm gona go with Scouse house as the other style :D
Skedd GO TRANCE :P
twox HARDSTYLE :D
novaboy Dark psytrance.
Vitalism breaks & electro

can't say we have scouse in canada yet, i've heard it before, but not enough of it. (don't really like what i've heard)

i'm also kinda partial to euro, trance, dnb but i don't ever go out of my way to listen to those.
saxomad HARD TO THE CORE
d A n i id have to say gabber!
Knightmare
quote:
Originally posted by d A n i:
id have to say gabber!



same thing I told chew: gabber is hardcore
djbood scouseeeee!
protonic melodic gabba and 90's hardtrance
supaflyskye breakbeat mo def.
Blaze69 HARDSTYLE IS THE MUSIC THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN!..
HARDSTYLE IS THE MUSIC RUNNING THROUGH MY VAINS!..
HARDSTYLE IS THE MUSIC THAT MAKES ME INSANE!..

So yeah...bit of Techno it is :D
Fritzy Trance!!! I love that stuff... XD
raindancerob classic house & old skool (well their my first favourite)
raindancerob
quote:
Originally posted by Blaze69:
HARDSTYLE IS THE MUSIC THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN!..
HARDSTYLE IS THE MUSIC RUNNING THROUGH MY VAINS!..
HARDSTYLE IS THE MUSIC THAT MAKES ME INSANE!..

So yeah...bit of Techno it is :D



you knows it bruva !
Fritzy
quote:
Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
quote:
Originally posted by Blaze69:
HARDSTYLE IS THE MUSIC THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN!..
HARDSTYLE IS THE MUSIC RUNNING THROUGH MY VAINS!..
HARDSTYLE IS THE MUSIC THAT MAKES ME INSANE!..

So yeah...bit of Techno it is :D



you knows it bruva !



Lol??? Broseph! Did you ride the Jet skies in KIBO?!!!
raindancerob maybe
l0fls deffinitly t3h trance
matduke drum n bass for me!
ravekutz Electro and House is where it's at... Trance sux, so 10 years ago lol
charlieee hardstyle for me
JHS 99 Trance all the way, Tiesto is God.
Triquatra Drum n Bass - but i kinda feel that its such a volatile genre - really hit and miss, you get some really really great tracks, but the genre is littered with tons and tons of shit tracks...

...seems that for every 100 DnB tracks about 10 of them are absolutly amazing.
when they get it right, they really get it right.
TypeR punk rock.
KaMinaRi
quote:
Originally posted by capone13:
HARDSTYLE!!



HELL YEAH HARDSTYLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LukyNumbr7 Psy Trance, and Hard Trance are both pretty awesome!!! I mean Dj Mangoo was and still is one of my favorite Dj's
Dj Roz I voted other.

In favor of GABBER! :D
Satori synthpop, futurepop
PinkKitten My next favourite is Eurodance. Yes, I know it's closely related to happy hardcore. /care.
I also like drum & bass a lot, although I don't listen to it as much as happy hardcore and Eurodance.
PinkKitten
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
Drum n Bass - but i kinda feel that its such a volatile genre - really hit and miss, you get some really really great tracks, but the genre is littered with tons and tons of shit tracks...

...seems that for every 100 DnB tracks about 10 of them are absolutly amazing.
when they get it right, they really get it right.



I have to agree with you. I mean, a lot of drum & bass doesn't have that "glitchy" feel I like so much... Noisia does, but Pendulum, for instance, absolutely doesn't. Same counts for Sub Focus. Not that I don't like them, but they miss something... And Pendulum's new stuff is just crap in my opinion.
To summarize it, I prefer d&b made around the classic Amen break.
Revs For me it would be House I guess. I listen to it all the time, wether I'm at home, in the bus, in a club or at friends' … and I was listening to it way back before I even heard of Hardcore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Y9HwBC7TQ

So uplifting! I actually love everything that is uplifting, no matter what genre, good music is good music!
danielseven Voted for Trance. I love those sweet melodies, that sometimes are into some upfront UK Hardcore productions too!
danielseven Voted for Trance. I love those sweet melodies, that sometimes are into some upfront UK Hardcore productions too!
Palms Drum and Bass... Noisia got me into that shit too hard
Drizzt Electro/fidget house, the dirtier the better!!!
Yoko Its time for a new poll, the current one started in 2006. FFS, its 2010!!!

Hell, I'll make one, just let me think up something.
Uspmannen dnb half the way!
pinkdevil16
quote:
Originally posted by Yoko:
Its time for a new poll, the current one started in 2006. FFS, its 2010!!!

Hell, I'll make one, just let me think up something.



Yeah I just noticed that this was still on the home page lol.. we really do need another
ozmium hardstyle xD
Righteous9 DnB (Dark Step... Not Dub!), but I listen to everything... Industrial, Hard NRG/Dance (any), Gabber, Hardstyle, whatever the F***, they spin at a Rave!, its sad but Dub Step is far more popular than Hardcore, but I'll be spinning for Rebel Alliance (Beet Freek & Co.), so whatever I spin HHC like I wanna! =)
cruelcore1 Hands-Up and Rave-Trance. 4 sure x).
DJ Immenze Trance, techno or electro house for me :) I like a bit of everything
acidfluxxbass Liquid Drum 'n' Bass. Others may identify as Liquid Funk, or Fast Soul Music.
piumaki I voted "Other". Speedcore, Industrial and stuff like this are my cup of tea usually but i m quite open minded with music :)
cruelcore1 Mainly Hands-Up, but also Vocal Trance, Uplifting Trance and "melodic supersaw Trance).


HANDS UP:

More mainstream:


Hard:


Dark & trancy:
jimnicricket I love dnb
Karthy Hands up / Eurodance, whatever you want to call it, not too sure on the term but that real cheesy stuff ;)
jimmyhypa I still love the pre 00's Hard Trance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO1Dy-OTvHo
Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by jimmyhypa:
I still love the pre 00's Hard Trance.



hell yeah!

to be fair though, most music around this time was awesome ;)
jimmyhypa
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:
Originally posted by jimmyhypa:
I still love the pre 00's Hard Trance.



hell yeah!

to be fair though, most music around this time was awesome ;)



haha yeah, I had a lot more love for the scene back then , not long after it all went a bit quiet up north.
Lilark Trance for the win!
DJ John Jarvis I like vocal & melodic trance/hands up/commercial dance. Anything happy/uplifting/energetic with nice vocals and a catchy melody. I hate minimal stuff and stuff without a proper melody. So yea I'm definitely going with trance and also because a lot of hardcore songs could actually be trance if you slowed them down and slapped on a bit more reverb. In fact I think I'm going to do some hardcore remixes of my tracks.
DJ Immenze I love UK hardcore, i dunno which genre that comes under, i guess its similar in a way but not the same as the old happy stuff. :D
cruelcore1
quote:
Originally posted by Karthy:
Hands up / Eurodance, whatever you want to call it, not too sure on the term but that real cheesy stuff ;)



Handsup could be called a sub-genre of Eurodance genre group, but it's quite different from classic Eurodance and it didn't evolve directly of it.

EDIT: Handsup is also an evolution of Trance
thestash_16 GRIME FTW. JME, SKEPTA, WILEY, GIGGS etc...great dirty basslines, sick spittin MCs. UK brings alot of great music into this place :D
har-2109 Dirty Electro, Listen to any remix by Rocket Pimp and you will understand :)
Samination would Heavy Metal be classed as Electronic? cause alot of the stuff I listen use synths alot :P
Tastetherainobw Oh my am I late. I love me some trance. I can dance to almost anything and enjoy myself though. Been getting into some Dubstep and Liquid D&B.
don_simon3000 hardcore porn
Be Happy Liquid DnB and a bit of hard house/hard trance
Draydox Eurobeat has been something I've always really enjoyed. Maybe Initial D had something to do with it.
Josephson_Junction
quote:
Originally posted by Draydox:
Eurobeat has been something I've always really enjoyed. Maybe Initial D had something to do with it.


You're the queeeen of mean!

nantk makina :P

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