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_Jay_
Started this because a) it feels like no one really pays attention to the normal Track Of The Day thread, and b) it'll be a good way to discover some Freeform gems that I don't know about (i.e. fcuking loads).
definitely one of my all-time favorites. The Douglas remix is pretty incredible too.
_Jay_
@Ken: Yeah man, definitely! It's fantastic. :-) It's another reason why I started the topic, too. Just to generally keep the Freeform visibility/discussion/activity as high as possible. :-)
P.V.C. is sick. Do you remember/know 35 Cycles that was also on that release? Fcuking MASSIVE.
I'm not going to lie, a few years ago I thought I had a pretty good handle on what freeform hardcore was, now it seems pretty much anything that isn't deemed super happy (i.e. UK hardcore) is classed as freeform. Personally I'm not fussed as I'm not one for pigeon holing every single track, but I am a little worried that it's turning into a 10 pointer on the buzz-word bingo.
djDMS
quote:Originally posted by Simon:
I'm not going to lie, a few years ago I thought I had a pretty good handle on what freeform hardcore was, now it seems pretty much anything that isn't deemed super happy (i.e. UK hardcore) is classed as freeform. Personally I'm not fussed as I'm not one for pigeon holing every single track, but I am a little worried that it's turning into a 10 pointer on the buzz-word bingo.
Agreed mate.
Where there's a bandwagon.....
_Jay_
quote:Originally posted by Cyrax:
; )
That's a really good track!!
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
quote:Originally posted by Simon:
I'm not going to lie, a few years ago I thought I had a pretty good handle on what freeform hardcore was, now it seems pretty much anything that isn't deemed super happy (i.e. UK hardcore) is classed as freeform. Personally I'm not fussed as I'm not one for pigeon holing every single track, but I am a little worried that it's turning into a 10 pointer on the buzz-word bingo.
Agreed mate.
Where there's a bandwagon.....
I guess I must be guilty of this! I've not really been into Freeform for all that long, relatively, and without being familiar with it's heritage I'm kind of bound by the current definition.
Cyrax
Thanks , the full version has a lot more too it , rising acid , epic breakdown , I guess by definition I would call it Freeform Hardcore
Freeform for me , although shouldn't probably get into this debate is early Nu Energy, also Finrg , Hybridize , not forgetting earlier stuff like Helix and Fury and my favourite producer Lost Soul
But there's so much stuff that could be both , the genre is very diverse
quote:There seems to be more talk of freeform on this site these days than any other hardcore, its brilliant!
i remember a few years back it was few and far between, nice to see its settled in :)
That's because what was once called UK Hardcore is now called Freeform.
Josephson_Junction
The other side (The Dawn) is good too. Makes me wonder where DSU went.
Ken Masters
quote:Originally posted by _Jay_: @Ken: Yeah man, definitely! It's fantastic. :-) It's another reason why I started the topic, too. Just to generally keep the Freeform visibility/discussion/activity as high as possible. :-)
P.V.C. is sick. Do you remember/know 35 Cycles that was also on that release? Fcuking MASSIVE.
awesome track that too man, got the vinyl and a tonne more when i got bitten by the kev energy bug a few years back.
his discs on the Hardcore Heaven CD's done it for me and tbh are the reason im still as into Hardcore today. Ive always been a huge fan of the trancecore sound since way back but when they repackaged it as freeform something changed and this incredibly fresh genre was born.
I always thought it was the change in mood that gave Freeform its identity, the constant change between happy and dark, uplifting and downright scary! That seemed to get lost in modern hardcore and was one of the reasons i loved the music so much. Combine this with the constant change in rhythm, 4/4, breakbeat, dnb, and it definitely deserves its name Freeform.
Ken Masters
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:There seems to be more talk of freeform on this site these days than any other hardcore, its brilliant!
i remember a few years back it was few and far between, nice to see its settled in :)
That's because what was once called UK Hardcore is now called Freeform.
I don't follow..
TTE
FiNRG just released this amazing remix of an iconic, classic Finnish track
For anyone who hasn't heard the original, you are honestly missing out, check it out below
Samination
just because a track has a acid line or something that hard dance and freeform uses should be called freeform. even though I have been on the dubcore hate vagon for a while now, I still call it UK Hardcore in the end.
I know Im guilty of calling a few tracks for freeform before, but hell, alot of the makina (from spain) sounds more like uk hardcore a la JD-KiD (I wouldn't call Unforgettable a freeform track just because it's on a freeform album), so alot of stuff are interchangeable nowadays.
_Jay_
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I wouldn't call Unforgettable a freeform track just because it's on a freeform album
Yeah man, I don't think of Unforgettable as Freeform at all. It's basically just Trance at 170.
Hard2Get
quote:Originally posted by Ken Masters:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:There seems to be more talk of freeform on this site these days than any other hardcore, its brilliant!
i remember a few years back it was few and far between, nice to see its settled in :)
That's because what was once called UK Hardcore is now called Freeform.
I don't follow..
What passes for Freeform now was once just UK Hardcore.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by Ken Masters:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:There seems to be more talk of freeform on this site these days than any other hardcore, its brilliant!
i remember a few years back it was few and far between, nice to see its settled in :)
That's because what was once called UK Hardcore is now called Freeform.
I don't follow..
What passes for Freeform now was once just UK Hardcore.
Hasn't it always been "Oh, it doesnt sound like Hixxy, Styles or Breeze, lets call it Freeform"?
Hard2Get
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by Ken Masters:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:There seems to be more talk of freeform on this site these days than any other hardcore, its brilliant!
i remember a few years back it was few and far between, nice to see its settled in :)
That's because what was once called UK Hardcore is now called Freeform.
I don't follow..
What passes for Freeform now was once just UK Hardcore.
Hasn't it always been "Oh, it doesnt sound like Hixxy, Styles or Breeze, lets call it Freeform"?
No. Just recently.
Ken Masters
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by Ken Masters:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:There seems to be more talk of freeform on this site these days than any other hardcore, its brilliant!
i remember a few years back it was few and far between, nice to see its settled in :)
That's because what was once called UK Hardcore is now called Freeform.
I don't follow..
What passes for Freeform now was once just UK Hardcore.
Hasn't it always been "Oh, it doesnt sound like Hixxy, Styles or Breeze, lets call it Freeform"?
No. Just recently.
I don't agree with that at all. The way I see it is a lot of UK Hardcore from the past 5 years has taken some influence from Freeform.
I'll agree that some Freeform has become very similar these day with similar sounds from tracks gone by but there's still loads of original & out right bizarre stuff being produced which sounds like nothing else that's come before it, what it's all about I suppose.
Ken Masters
quote:Originally posted by TTE:
FiNRG just released this amazing remix of an iconic, classic Finnish track
For anyone who hasn't heard the original, you are honestly missing out, check it out below
I always thought it sounded like a another track, but has the vocals "the pressure" or something eerily similar. But I have to say, it's also the kind of freeform I like
There's some really moronic comments in this thread...
but don't worry I am here
latininxtc
quote:Originally posted by Thumpa:
There's some really moronic comments in this thread...
Well come on and give us some names! but I think I already know who you're talking about.
Josephson_Junction
Obie - Dextran
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Thumpa:
There's some really moronic comments in this thread...
and here you are posting a gabber track? :P
TTE
The problem you have with genres is it's subjective, what one considers to be within the genre boundaries is different to another and it often depends where you first heard the sound and who introduced the sound to you. What's brilliant about Freeform is there's some freeform for everyone, there's freeform which provides an excellent gateway for people coming from UKHC but IMO, it's a shame to stop there, there is so much more to explore, there's plenty of stuff which sounds nothing like UKHC and it's flooding in from all over the world.
Just spotted on the Event page for the Japanese Event page for CODEX they have a link called 'freeform for beginners' with a load of youtube links to fantastic freeform tracks, a brilliant showcase of the 'other' freeform
Tazz & AMS - Gettin Dirty, was my favourite of those big kick tracks from a few years back.
Elipton
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by Ken Masters:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:There seems to be more talk of freeform on this site these days than any other hardcore, its brilliant!
i remember a few years back it was few and far between, nice to see its settled in :)
That's because what was once called UK Hardcore is now called Freeform.
I don't follow..
What passes for Freeform now was once just UK Hardcore.
Dont agree with this either. You're going to have to juatify this with some examples. As it stands, you definitely sound like a moron :P
Ken Masters
quote:Originally posted by Thumpa:
There's some really moronic comments in this thread...
but don't worry I am here
Now this really is a cat amongst the pigeons! Haha
latininxtc
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by Ken Masters:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:There seems to be more talk of freeform on this site these days than any other hardcore, its brilliant!
i remember a few years back it was few and far between, nice to see its settled in :)
That's because what was once called UK Hardcore is now called Freeform.
I don't follow..
What passes for Freeform now was once just UK Hardcore.
Dont agree with this either. You're going to have to juatify this with some examples. As it stands, you definitely sound like a moron :P
For once I agree with arsefudge
Samination
Tazz (& Shanty) made some of the perfect dark (yet not industrial dark) freeform hardcore
Elipton
This came up on iTunes. From a WOW album I acquired from Rowan I think!
edit: pleeeease fix this embedder!
Thumpa
I can't be bothered to debate with people but anyone who thinks new, accessible freeform is just UK hardcore without the cheese needs to realise that freeform came from German trance, hardcore didn't. The new melodic freeform has more in common with new and old trance (Douglas and A.B's new stuff sounds like hardcore take on Anjuna Beats, Mat Zo, Above & Beyond etc stuff) and labels like Nu Energy and GBT came from labels like Spaceflower, United Ravers and EDM. Why do you think Kev always plays these records when he does classics sets?
Call me a music snob (I am, I'm one of the most knowledgable people in this music) but people cannot talk about this and that unless they know their history. Its ju
See The Stars is true freeform, a hardcore record with very few boundaries. Anyone who was around in 96/97 knows this is where the sound came from, a desire to push hardcore that didn't fit into a nice little box. The new melodic freeform is that too...do you see anyone else making that style?
Thumpa
my tune of the day!
Samination
And you know aswell as everyone that how genres came to be is based highly on opinion.
Like, what was Sharkey? Was the originally a Hardcore or a Hard Trance producer? Obviously he was a MC at first, but if he was a Hardcore producer, his work would be Hardcore influenced by Hard Trance. If he was a Hard Trance producer... oh you know the drill.
So, you have more merit than me, but it still doesnt make you less of a besserwisser(a know-it-all) :P
quote:There seems to be more talk of freeform on this site these days than any other hardcore, its brilliant!
i remember a few years back it was few and far between, nice to see its settled in :)
That's because what was once called UK Hardcore is now called Freeform.
I don't follow..
What passes for Freeform now was once just UK Hardcore.
Dont agree with this either. You're going to have to juatify this with some examples. As it stands, you definitely sound like a moron :P
Well it was an extremely general comment with no specific meaning and i couldn't be bothered to formulate what i wanted to say properly. And expected this kind of response.
Elipton
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by Ken Masters:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:There seems to be more talk of freeform on this site these days than any other hardcore, its brilliant!
i remember a few years back it was few and far between, nice to see its settled in :)
That's because what was once called UK Hardcore is now called Freeform.
I don't follow..
What passes for Freeform now was once just UK Hardcore.
Dont agree with this either. You're going to have to juatify this with some examples. As it stands, you definitely sound like a moron :P
Well it was an extremely general comment with no specific meaning and i couldn't be bothered to formulate what i wanted to say properly. And expected this kind of response.
Better left unsaid then ;)
Sc@r
Here's a couple from my lable so far! We have a lot to come as well :)
(Links are to Beatport but they can be found on most mp3 stores as well)
quote:Originally posted by Sc@r: Here's a couple from my lable so far! We have a lot to come as well :)
(Links are to Beatport but they can be found on most mp3 stores as well)
Woman, I don't get you at times :P When I called Raw Elements a Freeform label, you went nuts and call me an idiot. Now you release a few tracks that doesnt sound as freeform as raw elements did and you label it freeform now?
latininxtc
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Woman, I don't get you at times :P
When I called Raw Elements a Freeform label, you went nuts and call me an idiot. Now you release a few tracks that doesnt sound as freeform as raw elements did and you label it freeform now?
You should know more than I do that a woman cannot be reasoned with. They are finicky creatures
And where did she call you an idiot? I'd like to see a screen capture of that!
Elipton
Samination
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Woman, I don't get you at times :P
When I called Raw Elements a Freeform label, you went nuts and call me an idiot. Now you release a few tracks that doesnt sound as freeform as raw elements did and you label it freeform now?
You should know more than I do that a woman cannot be reasoned with. They are finicky creatures
And where did she call you an idiot? I'd like to see a screen capture of that!
I believe it happened on kraftyradio IRC channel, so I might not have a log of it anymore :(
Ken Masters
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Woman, I don't get you at times :P
When I called Raw Elements a Freeform label, you went nuts and call me an idiot. Now you release a few tracks that doesnt sound as freeform as raw elements did and you label it freeform now?
You should know more than I do that a woman cannot be reasoned with. They are finicky creatures
And where did she call you an idiot? I'd like to see a screen capture of that!
I believe it happened on kraftyradio IRC channel, so I might not have a log of it anymore :(
I'm sure you've been called worse ;)
Hard2Get
Raw Elements was the most Freeform label ever back when it started.
latininxtc
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Raw Elements was the most Freeform label ever back when it started.
you really must be saying stuff just to start shit now lol
not agreeing or disagreeing with you though.
kathryn
Kaos And Ethos - Get F*cked
Featuring - Sharkey
DJ Kaos - Baddest Ass (Exclusive Remix)
Hard2Get
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Raw Elements was the most Freeform label ever back when it started.
you really must be saying stuff just to start shit now lol
not agreeing or disagreeing with you though.
Lol, not at all actually. I'm talking about the first 10 releases or so. Totally original sound.
Quicksilver
Polaris by Aryx is probably the favourite from the past 3 hours spent catching up on Freeform.
Those melodies. Especially the melody at the start before breakdown and added on after the drop. Chills!!
Yeah, it's a really great track man. Remember hearing it before Thumpa signed it for Freeformania and have loved it ever since! Such a lovely piece (ooo errr!).
I'm still quite digging Party Hard, which today led me to this - Impact & Nomad - Voices - absolutely fantastic and underrated track. You have to hear it from start to finish to fully appreciate it I think, from the slow intro to the final drop.
What led me to listen to this is that I used Party Hard in one of my older freeform mix series which went under the name "Rebel Heart" and one of them opened with Voices (#5 to be precise :P). Should be plenty of stuff for you to preen in those mixes, Jay. ;)
The first mix got tons of praise and it's so nostalgic for me to listen to. If I dare say so, one of the best mixes I've heard, haha. ;)
quote:Originally posted by Quicksilver: Never heard that before, Jay. Pretty decent.
I'm still quite digging Party Hard, which today led me to this - Impact & Nomad - Voices - absolutely fantastic and underrated track. You have to hear it from start to finish to fully appreciate it I think, from the slow intro to the final drop.
What led me to listen to this is that I used Party Hard in one of my older freeform mix series which went under the name "Rebel Heart" and one of them opened with Voices (#5 to be precise :P). Should be plenty of stuff for you to preen in those mixes, Jay. ;)
The first mix got tons of praise and it's so nostalgic for me to listen to. If I dare say so, one of the best mixes I've heard, haha. ;)
quote:Originally posted by Quicksilver: Never heard that before, Jay. Pretty decent.
I'm still quite digging Party Hard, which today led me to this - Impact & Nomad - Voices - absolutely fantastic and underrated track. You have to hear it from start to finish to fully appreciate it I think, from the slow intro to the final drop.
What led me to listen to this is that I used Party Hard in one of my older freeform mix series which went under the name "Rebel Heart" and one of them opened with Voices (#5 to be precise :P). Should be plenty of stuff for you to preen in those mixes, Jay. ;)
The first mix got tons of praise and it's so nostalgic for me to listen to. If I dare say so, one of the best mixes I've heard, haha. ;)
Mate, that's just what I need. Thanks Andreas. :-)
Thanks for posting these, some beasts these...
That rebel heart remix mix is amazing. I like every single track on there. Just wondering. Can you tell me the name of the track at 7.44 with that guitar in. Brilliant track that... Thanks !
Unfortunately my freeform track of the day ain't on youtube and I'm not even sure it's actually freeform but I think I'd call it freeform. Frisky & Hujib - Shake. :D
I would love to play any of the newer ponder tracks (the freeformy ones atleast) in my mixes, but somehow I can't fit them in, music-wize (like I have a problem adding anything else :P)
Almost every tune I want to add to this thread just doesn't exist on YT. So annoying.
Ok it's sorta breakbeat/dnbish but "DJs Are Dogs" by CLSM feat. Stefan B, Lost Soul & Grob LeFrog. Massive, fantastic tune. It brings back so many late summer night memories from 2007 for me... Getting all nostalgic now... <3
EDIT: There's just not a single clip available online judging by my Google search. So I took it upon myself to upload a clip. Here, listen! :D
TTE
quote:Originally posted by Quicksilver:
Almost every tune I want to add to this thread just doesn't exist on YT. So annoying.
Ok it's sorta breakbeat/dnbish but "DJs Are Dogs" by CLSM feat. Stefan B, Lost Soul & Grob LeFrog. Massive, fantastic tune. It brings back so many late summer night memories from 2007 for me... Getting all nostalgic now... <3
EDIT: There's just not a single clip available online judging by my Google search. So I took it upon myself to upload a clip. Here, listen! :D
It's just, Lost Soul & Grob LeFrog - "DJs Are Dogs" , the CLSM feat. Stefan B is the other side of the Vinyl.
There is a SynthWulf remix which is a more powerful and aggressive track. Certainly more driving. But it doesn't have the epic, patient breakdown and build of the original.
quote:Originally posted by Cyrax: Cyrax Feat. A.B - Dark Matter
Mate, that is filth. Left a few comments on SoundCloud. Really, really like it.
Cyrax
Thanks mate , I've been making a few tracks lately and this is definitley one of my favourites , it's not for everyone though as some of my mates that like Freeform don't really like gabba , but I had to make a track which would really force someone into listening to some.
It was really hard getting the balance of going freeform > gabba > freeform in the track without making the last freeform part seem weak in comparison to the gabba.
I'll keep you posted when it gets released !
_Jay_
quote:Originally posted by Cyrax:
It was really hard getting the balance of going freeform > gabba > freeform in the track without making the last freeform part seem weak in comparison to the gabba.
I think you got it spot-on mate, it sounds perfect.
quote:Originally posted by Cyrax:
I'll keep you posted when it gets released !
Nice! Has it been signed then? :-)
Cyrax
It should be out on Stamina !
_Jay_
Bloody hell, congrats mate!
Where do you live mate, are you gonna be going to Sinistry in London in a few weeks?
Elipton
DX Pasta - Steampunk is a relatively new track for its style, and I love it. Such a great tune with its use of piano and uplifting leads. For me, this has to be one of my favourite Hardcore tracks ever. EVERRRRR
Cyrax
Yeah I got "Difference" with Technikore signed to them as well , well chuffed as it's an awesome label.
I wish I could go Sinistry , I recently moved to Manchester for work reasons so no more London raving for me at the moment until I get settled, no raving at all at the moment : (
Don't know yet if there is much demand for Freefrom in Manchester ?
Quite a few of us from here will be going, and this is one of the sets:
*** A.B. b2b ANDY FREESTYLE *** - (Stamina Records, Uprising Digital) - Early 00's Hardcore & Freeform!
Let's travel back in time to an era when a Hardcore and Freeform revolution took place, shaping the scene we know and love today! We've secured this exclusive, first time pair-up of 2 of the brightest stars on the underground - Stamina Records' very own A.B. and Uprising's Andy Freestyle! One hour of classic anthems and a serious sensory pounding coming riiight up!!
quote:Originally posted by Quicksilver: (Psst, don't tell Jay there's a Scott Brown remix)
Im not really sure what sub genre to put this under but there's elements of freeform and UK hardcore but the track has fitted into a few styles of sets when I've played it out so my freeform tune of today is
Realplay & Eufeion - Dreamlight
Have some of Aryx's finest work to balance it out.
_Jay_
Narkotik has been working hard on his solo production skills recently, from what I understand. To sort of launch himself, so to speak, he put this tune up for free download. I think it's really good. Quite aggressive and moody. Good momentum. I like it.
I suppose I should add to this thread seeing as I stumbled back on to HHC.com for the Freeform awards thread ;)
Lost Soul - Beyond Salvation
_Jay_
Finally got my hands on the full version of this (bought STM014, 015, 017, 019 and 020 on CD this week) and fcuk ME it is so, so good. The CLSM remix is really good as well and offers a euphoria-drenched alternative.
quote:Originally posted by Warnman: Oh f**k you for posting this one!
LOL! You tell him man!
When I heard this track for the very first time during one of Midas' shows my head nearly exploded and my complete body went numb from the endorphins that were pushed through my veins - pure eargasm.
Strife II - Beacon City Skyline ft. Dennean (Transcend & Cyrax remix)
_Jay_
I finally got to hear this played out at Hard Beats last Friday and I have to say it was an almost spiritual experience. Absolute fcuking high-on-life shit. Haven't got the vocabulary to describe it.
quote:Originally posted by Warnman: That's a good track, Jay! It was regulary played in the usual radio shows which push Freeform Hardcore. If you have the time, join them! It's fun!
Have such little time for radio shows these days dude. I caught Dave's show for the first time in like two months last night! Not good :-(
Really getting stuck into the Ain't No Grave album. This is basically vocal Trance at Hardcore speed/UK Hardcore, really. But it's a lovely track, none-the-less.
Dark new Freeform from the awesome Evolutionize adding the 5th track to what is sizing up to an immense 3rd EP/mini album from Project Badass check it out here :
quote:Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Force and Styles - With or Without you
:O :O
Never thought I would hear this in full format :O.
An oldie, but it's only really been heard on mixtapes before (edit: not freeform but... still worth posting)
What a tune. It's criminal that it was never fully released.
SparkzMusic
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Sparkz, I beleive if you dig deeper down we do have a (uk)hardcore track of the day thread ;)
Yep I noticed. However, I didn't realise there was a freeform thread so saw the "track of the day" thread and assumed it was the Hardcore 1. My bad, oops
i never really found most of joey's relentless stuff freeformy. just slightly different from 'regular' hardcore. but then it was around the time i was starting to grasp what freeform was...
quote:Originally posted by Samination: i never really found most of joey's relentless stuff freeformy. just slightly different from 'regular' hardcore. but then it was around the time i was starting to grasp what freeform was...
I didn't even know he'd made stuff like this until recently.
Cyrax
Hey chaps if you wanna hear a selection of these banging tunes live in Manchester please follow this link :
