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| Dynamitri |
Hello guys,
Many of you probably don't know me yet. I'm Dynamitri, living and working in London atm, but born and raised in Central Europe. Anyway - I've been thinking recently - as I bet you all perfectly know, happy hardcore was huge, at least in Central Europe in the mid '90-s - you had Dune, you had Scooter who back then were still proper rave and happy hardcore, you had Marusha, you had Mark 'Oh, Tokyo Ghetto Pussy, and virtually an unlimited amount of more or less faceless acts that everyone was going crazy to. Now - my question is: will happy hardcore ever return, as such a power it has been over a decade ago?
Every music genre seems to have its time. Tastes change - e.g. Sensation White has turned basically total house and electro from trance a few years ago. But - and I know it from my own experience as working as a DJ/producer and a music journalist - every genre comes back every now and then, albeit with an updated sound. So - what do you think, can we expect a huge comeback of happy hardcore when people get tired with electro and housey beats, or rather not? :) |
| acidfluxxbass |
Happy hardcore or oldskool hardcore wont ever die. there will always be the minority making it. Luna-c for one.
However it will never return as a major genre. things have simply moved on from that. we can do more with the resourses and tools we have. that 'more' is the hardcore we hear today. |
| Dynamitri |
Nah, but what I mean is generally will hardcore music ever return. I can see that hardcore dance, even the commercial one like Scooter or Cascada is not that popular now as it was before and the major trend has shifted towards more housey/electro music (think Alex Gaudino, Fedde Le Grand, Bob Sinclar etc.) - but e.g. Eurodance has had its downfall in the late '90s, but yet it has re-emerged a couple of years later, mixed with Euro-Trance, harder beats, hoovers etc., and managed to go quite large for some time. Now it seems it's on the downturn again. Same with hardcore, it's gone quite a bit off-mainstream, if you know what I mean, but it's still alive, so maybe it will catch up again? |
| Dynamitri |
well at least that's how I see that hardcore dance isn't that big as it used to be, it is the case where I'm from, people just, everyone just goes for house and electro, I've been living in the UK for 2 years now, and I've seen Scooter knocking Madonna off #1 Best Selling Albums last summer, so maybe it's just, imports catching up here, in the UK, after Continental People got bored with it already? |
| Jax |
yes, on the 33rd of march 2009 |
| Dynamitri |
quote:
Originally posted by Jax:
yes, on the 33rd of march 2009
ROTFLCOPTER LOLLERSKATES |
| Vitalism |
i'm not from the UK, but i think it'd be awesome to see happy hardcore make a return like it was in its "glory days" if you can call them that.
from old things i've read up on, it seems HHC used to have a huge draw. it's still big, but to a lesser extent now. i'm talking about the big dreamscape events, or the like.
i think everything goes on cycles, and eventually it will be big again. it just wont ever be NEW again like it was then, and i don't think cities or countries will treat it as an epidemic when it does happen, but it will still make a comeback.
i do wish i was around for when this stuff was taking off though. |
| Ken Masters |
If you think about it, what is the Dance music of the youngsters in the UK these days?
IMO its hardcore. Hardcore is back, mabey not as big as it once was but its well on the way. The youngsters in the late 90's early 2000 (myself included) were all into Trance, Funky House ect but now if you think about it, its all hardcore, hardcore, hardcore with DnB in 2nd.
I'm using the youngsters as an example because they are the future & if this generation is into hardcore then it will show no signs of slowing anytime soon.
One last thing. What Dance music Genre has ever revived itself from complete death. Which is what hardcore has done. I can't think of any other genre that has done this before or ever will?
mabey someone can inform me & not House as that will never die! |
| acidfluxxbass |
who heading the field? scooter, cascada, styles and basshunter. hardcore couldnt be given a worse image with those clowns hiting the charts. |
| Jay-Owen |
quote:
Originally posted by Dynamitri:
Every music genre seems to have its time.
I hate to quote my brother as he also reads this forum, but I don't believe that to be true in hardcore's case. Hardcore is and always has been a mixture of several different genres. We have influences of techno, d'n'b, house, trance and many more...
Hardcore steals it's basic ideas from its entourage of dance music, and thusly, because it is ALWAYS evolving, will not die. |
| latininxtc |
I agree with Jay-Owen. plus i'm sure there'll b a temporary revival of the happy sounds. happens to mainstream music. someone's gonna start comin out w/ some badass tracks that have the happy hardcore influence, then other producers will start to follow, then ppl will get bored of it |
| Dynamitri |
quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
who heading the field? scooter, cascada, styles and basshunter. hardcore couldnt be given a worse image with those clowns hiting the charts.
I really really don't see anything bad about them. Don't get me wrong, I am definitely not saying it's good music, it's not piece of art, it's just cheesy but fun music to dance to. I can see the point in not liking it, but you need to look at it from certain perspective. It's shallow, it's not much inventive, but it's fun. At least that's how I feel - and I can rave it up to both Scooter and Cascada, who are big where I'm from, and I can rave it up to Hixxy, Darren Styles and Mike Breeze, who - from what I could see - are pretty big names in the UK.
It's just a matter of the right approach and attitude to the genre of music, obviously when compared to, I don't know, d'n'b behemoths like Goldie, Scooter or Cascada might seem dull as ditchwater, but once you start treating it as just good cheese to have fun to, it might actually be tolerable at the very least...
Anyway - if "Hardcore is the music of the current youths", why is that I have so much trouble with getting some information on good gigs in London, here? ;] |
| latininxtc |
quote:
Originally posted by Dynamitri:
and I can rave it up to Hixxy, Darren Styles and Mike Breeze, who - from what I could see - are pretty big names in the UK.
there's more to the scene than what is popular. how about getting to know the others as well?
Brisk, Ham, Kevin Energy, Darwin, Al Storm, JAKAZiD, etc.
plus you should check out Makina, as many of the tracks i've recently heard thnx to the posts from members here remind me a lot of the oldier happier sound |
| Future_Shock |
quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
who heading the field? scooter, cascada, styles and basshunter. hardcore couldnt be given a worse image with those clowns hiting the charts.
Why would the hardcore image be affected by that at all? They're completely different genres.
You may as well say Hardcore takes a knock every time linkin park is in the charts.
What a load of rubbish.
quote:
Originally posted by Dynamitri:
I really really don't see anything bad about them. Don't get me wrong, I am definitely not saying it's good music, it's not piece of art, it's just cheesy but fun music to dance to.
Um... That's exactly what hardcore is, also.
quote:
Originally posted by Dynamitri:
I can see the point in not liking it, but you need to look at it from certain perspective. It's shallow, it's not much inventive, but it's fun.
I actually find a lot of Hands-up is HEAPS more inventive (in general) than hardcore. There were more Hands-up tracks than Hardcore tracks i bought this year because there wasn't many hardcore tracks that jumped out at me... There were PLENTY of Hands-up tracks that jumped out at me.
If you don't think Hands-up is inventive maybe you're listening to the wrong artists.
3 best hands-up tracks for 2008 for me were:
1. Fragma - Memory (Rob Mayth Remix)
2. De-Grees - Just Dance (Ti-Mo vs. Stefan Richly Remix)
3. Topmodelz - When You're Looking Like That (Rob Mayth Remix)
I, personally don't think the old skool sound is ever going to come back. It's just my belief, i don't think it would have a big enough following or audience to maintain itself as a genre - i think if it *really* came back, it wouldn't last very long anyway. Tastes have changed. |
| Dynamitri |
Well, I was referring to the hardcore dance becoming mainstream again, not to the 'oldschool' sound. Like, dance music with detuned synths, banging kicks, and stuff - I think right now it's more, like, time when house is popular - at least that's what I can see on the Continent, e.g. by how one of the biggest and best hard-trance events has changed, moving from trance DJs to house DJs exclusively now.
As far as handz-up is concerned - is it big here? I haven't been here for a long time yet (well, since coming to the UK I spent most of my life in a shithole where my Uni was, so no proper raves for me and I was kinda out of touch with the whole scene), so it might be I just haven't gone where I should have. If it is - it's splendid. And don't get me wrong, but being a music student I can't say it is really innovative. A lot of tracks follow the same pattern and the synths are more or less the samey. It might be the case with remixes that put some innovation into this, but I am pretty sure that if you were to play a track by Cascada, a track by Novaspace and a track by Groove Coverage to a person that's not deeply into minute details of dance music, he or she would hardly tell the difference between the projects. But I don't care, I don't expect innovation from it, I expect silly and fun night - that's it, and that's why I kinda don't understand ppl who are, like, "Meh... Scooter and Cascada is shite" - nobody says it's anything else, accept it for what it is ;)
Oh, and I know Jakazid (sorry, probably have freaked up the capitalization, lol - nvm) - heard his Cillit Bang mix a long time ago and have his mix of Guru Josh Project on my iPod, minted :)
PS
I'm still looking for places where I might go for a happy hardcore/handz-up night regularly - I'm in London, so any suggestions would be more than welcome (b^_^)b |
| 95_was_the_time |
it won't ever return because the scene is changed* so much that it's not repairable. it's now run by 4 old men (hixxy, styles, breeze, and dougal) and 13 year old who look up to mc storm (another old man) as their iconic hero.
hardcore used to be about the motif 'AVIN IT' but now it's about love songs taking its self too seriously. using 64bit samples and super pollished production. hadly hardcore is it.
oh and it's all about the $$$ now anyway.
*I say changed, i mean damaged. |
| Rayovac |
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
it won't ever return because the scene is changed* so much that it's not repairable. it's now run by 4 old men (hixxy, styles, breeze, and dougal) and 13 year old who look up to mc storm (another old man) as their iconic hero.
hardcore used to be about the motif 'AVIN IT' but now it's about love songs taking its self too seriously. using 64bit samples and super pollished production. hadly hardcore is it.
oh and it's all about the $$$ now anyway.
*I say changed, i mean damaged.
Hixxy, breeze, styles, and dougal are all actually gold-eating lizardmen from outer space who are creating music with subliminal messages in them to hypnotize ravers and create their own personal army that they'll use to destroy the world!! We need to stop them before it's too late! |
| catjam |
i would much rather see oldschool gabba & the old scottish hardcore or "Bouncy Techno" as
it`s sometimes called make a comeback,
Happyhardcore actually wasn`t as big/popular here as it was south of the border
for whatever reason most people here at that time prefered the harder sounds
and some people are saying Hixxy..Dougal..etc are wasting the scene
they aren`t really..they do commercial hardcore
just dont listen to commercial hardcore there are is plenty of other hardcore out there |
| Samination |
quote:
you had Dune, you had Scooter who back then were still proper rave and happy hardcore, you had Marusha, you had Mark 'Oh, Tokyo Ghetto Pussy
You'll have to excuse me, but UK never had these artists. Ofcourse they visited UK to play live, but they are central european artists aren't they?
acidfluxxbass: I don't think Luna-C likes to be called minority :P Considering he never tries to sound the same, I wouldn't call him just a minority trying to make (happy) hardcore |
| Smoogie |
quote:
Originally posted by catjam:
i would much rather see oldschool gabba & the old scottish hardcore or "Bouncy Techno" as
it`s sometimes called make a comeback,
Happyhardcore actually wasn`t as big/popular here as it was south of the border
for whatever reason most people here at that time prefered the harder sounds
I agree! I am a southener but prefer the harder sounds myself now. Sadly it is just softcore or Nu Style Gabber these days & none of the 'inbetween' sounds. I have some new mixes up soon, check them out for this style... |
| Dynamitri |
quote:
Originally posted by DjSamination:
quote:
you had Dune, you had Scooter who back then were still proper rave and happy hardcore, you had Marusha, you had Mark 'Oh, Tokyo Ghetto Pussy
You'll have to excuse me, but UK never had these artists. Ofcourse they visited UK to play live, but they are central european artists aren't they?
It wasn't "you had" as in "you were the country that gave us these people", it was "you had" as in "there was", I was not referring to them being from the UK, now c'mon! :-O lol
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| Samination |
quote:
Originally posted by Dynamitri:
quote:
Originally posted by DjSamination:
quote:
you had Dune, you had Scooter who back then were still proper rave and happy hardcore, you had Marusha, you had Mark 'Oh, Tokyo Ghetto Pussy
You'll have to excuse me, but UK never had these artists. Ofcourse they visited UK to play live, but they are central european artists aren't they?
It wasn't "you had" as in "you were the country that gave us these people", it was "you had" as in "there was", I was not referring to them being from the UK, now c'mon! :-O lol
You'll have to excuse me, but since most people here where from UK, I took that for granted :P
anyways, if you want to make it international, use "We had" instead :) |
| eurodancemag |
July 2014 happy hardcore is back thanks to "Dj Paul Elstak,Mental Theo feat Gin Dutch - Raving Beats" Pure 90s happy hardcore song only and original happy hardcore all other is shit. |
| CDJay |
You should probably check out Happy Hardcore Underground before pinning it all on a single track.
CDJay |
| ViolonC |
The thing that's sometimes annoying about this forum is so many people just living on their island (sometimes musically, often quite literally) not being able or not wanting to look at the bigger picture and clinging to what they personally grew up with.
There are so many easy answers why UK/Happy Hardcore never has been (really) big and never will be.
And that's probably a good thing. Hardcore always absorbed the mainstream and transformed it. What should happen if it became mainstream? Do you really want to hear David Guetta make Happy Hardcore? |
| Vladel |
brisk & Darwin made everytime and lets live forever in 2011 |
| eurodancemag |
Happy hardcore never again be a top music,coz electro-house and progressive virus buy every people in world. |
| warped_candykid |
Bonkers will be bounce back
Happy2bHardcore will be resurrected
Hardcore Heaven will return with Seduction and Slipmatt's comeback!
Truthin! |
| Samination |
"Dreamin" you mean? :P |
| jordesuvi |
quote:
Originally posted by ViolonC:
so many people just living on their island (sometimes musically, often quite literally) not being able or not wanting to look at the bigger picture and clinging to what they personally grew up with.
This.
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| SparkzMusic |
I highly doubt it, here's why.
To so many young people these days, that sort of music isn't fashionable or trendy. It's old, uncool and hasn't aged well. The main music sound is dominated by what sells, not what doesn't.
Yes there are die hard fans who love that sound but it's simply not enough to bring it back.
The people that can make the sound have either left the scene ages ago or are making the new sound to cater for what today's young audience want and will pay money to hear at raves.
The only way for that sound to come back is if someone who made it back then, but left the scene comes back to make that sound, or if someone purchased studio equipment used back then to replicate the sound.
It will never be a sound widely heard at raves again though especially because many of the die hard ravers from back then must be late 30's/40's so probably wouldn't be interested in going to an event even if that sound did come back. |
| Royzourboy |
quote:
Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
I highly doubt it, here's why.
To so many young people these days, that sort of music isn't fashionable or trendy. It's old, uncool and hasn't aged well. The main music sound is dominated by what sells, not what doesn't.
Yes there are die hard fans who love that sound but it's simply not enough to bring it back.
The people that can make the sound have either left the scene ages ago or are making the new sound to cater for what today's young audience want and will pay money to hear at raves.
The only way for that sound to come back is if someone who made it back then, but left the scene comes back to make that sound, or if someone purchased studio equipment used back then to replicate the sound.
It will never be a sound widely heard at raves again though especially because many of the die hard ravers from back then must be late 30's/40's so probably wouldn't be interested in going to an event even if that sound did come back.
Basically this. Unfortunately, it's highly unlikely to ever make a comeback. Others have already said this, but really it wasn't ever something that was absolutely huge like EDM is or trance was. It's always just kind of had a presence, sometimes moreso than other times. Even at it's peak it's not like it was something everyone was listening to.
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| warped_candykid |
On the flip side, "retro"(or some variant of it) always comes back as something fresh. We heard the happier sound come back in the React/Resist Hardcore Heaven series, Hardcore Nation, and the last few Bonkers (13-17).
I've really been digging into Trackitdown, and I love some the gems I've been finding. There are some great euphoric/unique tunes, as well as some great cheese. |
| Samination |
quote:
Originally posted by warped_candykid:
On the flip side, "retro"(or some variant of it) always comes back as something fresh. We heard the happier sound come back in the React/Resist Hardcore Heaven series, Hardcore Nation, and the last few Bonkers (13-17).
I've really been digging into Trackitdown, and I love some the gems I've been finding. There are some great euphoric/unique tunes, as well as some great cheese.
but then you also go around looking for eurodance stuff aswell :P |
| warped_candykid |
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
Originally posted by warped_candykid:
On the flip side, "retro"(or some variant of it) always comes back as something fresh. We heard the happier sound come back in the React/Resist Hardcore Heaven series, Hardcore Nation, and the last few Bonkers (13-17).
I've really been digging into Trackitdown, and I love some the gems I've been finding. There are some great euphoric/unique tunes, as well as some great cheese.
but then you also go around looking for eurodance stuff aswell :P
I do love my Eurobeat.
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| Royzourboy |
quote:
Originally posted by warped_candykid:
I do love my Eurobeat.
Dude Eurodance is so rad |
| Hard2Get |
No. This thread can be left alone now. |
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