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arpz
I expect most of you have seen this on Facebook but the basic gist of it is that Thumpa posted about having the hump because everyone left before his set at Summer Gathering after watching Scott Brown. The initial post caught a bit of flak because a few people thought it was slating SB for anthem bashing.
SB posted a retort to it, showed his tracklist and it consisted of new stuff mixed in with anthems, like you'd probably expect.
It would be ridiculous for me to try and post the content of both threads, there's multiple comments from Olly and Scott mixed in amongst a few sycophants saying 'gnurrr Scott Brown U r legend', 'Who da fuk is fumpa?' but also some reasoned arguments too.
A lot of this is about 'ravers only want to hear anthems not new music' but I'm wondering whether it's more like, 'ravers want to hear straight up hardcore not freeform'. To be honest, and no disrespect and call me a knuckle dragging heathen if you like, but I don't really get excited by the prospect of hearing new freeform. I've listened to it before and it's alright and I feel a bit futuristic when I'm driving my spaceship down the M3 or whatever but I'd much rather whack on a set with loads of vocal hands in the air stuff. That doesn't necessarily mean it has to be old, it could be a load of tracks I've never heard before.
Vladel
Thumpa posted the finnbarr track he opened with (he'll probably slate me for this) and I'm not surprised people walked out. A lot of people liked it but I agree it's more to do with freeform than being new and it's general lack of popularity at the moment. Hardcore is a real niche genre at the moment and I think the freeform following is an even smaller faction and like myself, a lot of listeners find the modern style hard to relate to. I'm not slagging it off by any means and like gabba, I don't follow most of it but there is a selection I do enjoy. That opener struck me as dreary and folk who don't like freeform are going to walk out.
jordesuvi
Part of the art of DJ'ing is feeling the room you're playing. Unless you're well known, you can't get away with playing whatever you want and still have the majority of the audience stick around after a headliner.
The mood has to be created, going from a headline DJ that's just been throwing down "bangers and anthems" to a lesser known DJ abruptly opening with some new unknown freeform track...
By all means I'm no world class DJ, but to follow an act like Scott Brown you'd need to open with something in the general theme of what he's been playing OR a track that is explosive and popular right now... something that would have an attendee go "wait, this sounds good! :o" and walk back inside.
Then once you've caught their attention after a few tracks you can proceed to start showing your taste-making skills.
arpz
Thumpa said that the people had left before he even got started so if there's no crowd to react to then it's obviously not going to be possible.
Let's assume that nothing he could've done would've got people in there for a minute. We have to bear in mind that he has been booked as a freeform DJ and would be doing a disservice to the genre (and presumably the promoter) if he completely gave up on the idea and just played an hour of raver baby remixes - And I'm sure he wouldn't want to do that anyway. So why did the people leave?
Since I haven't checked out any in a while, I decided to listen to freeform on my commute to work (~1 hour) and listened to Thumpa KTRA mix and the Summer gathering promo mix. It's generally thought that one of the hallmarks of hardcore music is happiness and not taking things too seriously, out of the two mixes I listened to there were probably about 3 tunes that I could honestly call 'happy' and that many again that I could say slanted towards 'vaguely optimistic' sounding. As far as I'm aware, freeform is positioned as 'serious hardcore'. I honestly think that there probably weren't enough people 'there for the freeform' and I think it's enough of a departure from 'standard hardcore' for people to not give it a chance. How many freeform acts were on? If you're relying on all the 'standard hardcore' heads to hang around to check it out on the off-chance that they might like it then I don't think it's ever going to work at a hardcore event - there doesn't seem to be enough of the typical elements that those people want - uplifting, singing, female vocals, happiness.
Golion
I think it's a pretty safe guess that alot of people came mostly to hear Kutski and Scott Brown and those are not the most easy acts to follow. I have played oldschool gabber right after Dj Dione once and The Sickest Squad once at partys here in Sweden and let me tell you it's not easy playing a more niche genre righ after the headliner is done. The positive thing about the smaller genres is that the people who like them REALLY like them. I wonder if there were more acts playing freeform? If not maybe that part of the scene did?t show up for 1 dj only?
wong
I was there, and i was one of those that walked straight out, because i wanted to watch BK in the forest. Was nothing against thumpa i just really enjoy BK's hard house sets. Also andy c was on half hour after thumpa started, people were using that half hour to get drinks, go for a piss or just have a breather on the grass . Scotts set was the set of the weekend for me tho
ViolonC
Haven't really followed the thing but from the start it seemed like "making something out of nothing". People probably needed a break and didn't plan to listen to a less known DJ in the first place. It was a hard spot to follow up to regardless of what you were up to.
Thumpa keeps pushing new music which is a good thing but i don't think that's the main issue here so it would be better to leave it and carry on.
Triquatra
I don't think thumpa "had a hump" about it. He said it was disheartening.
I think it just comes down to a mix of crowd the venue has attracted, and the fact that near everyone buggers off for a smoke and rest their legs after being tired and shagged out after a Scott Brown set.
If you turn the tables on the crowd, I've been to a few nights where I've seen top tier DJs playing classic sets to near empty dance floors with a handful ravers who were either massively dedicated or so pilled off their face they'd stumbled into "the wrong room" and couldn't be arsed to leave. Those DJs were *well* seasoned, but still they looked like their cat had died. Whole vibe of those rooms had kinda made me question whether it was really worth traveling 500 miles to see a hero look lonely, and to hear music I love fall on...well, barely any ears in a big echoy room.
Thumpa doesn't need any advice, he 100% knows what he's doing. I'd argue that there would have been little to keep the majority of same people on the floor after a Scott Brown set short of having having an encore from the man himself.
Bring Me Round To Love
Scott Brown is a music scene within a scene, The Legend.
Thumpa is the Louis Walsh of Hardcore err i mean Freeform, way above his station and thinks his great, and everyone should love him.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Bring Me Round To Love:
Scott Brown is a music scene within a scene, The Legend.
Thumpa is the Louis Walsh of Hardcore err i mean Freeform, way above his station and thinks his great, and everyone should love him.
Well I can agree a little that he can act like he's the king of the world, but he does help push most styles of Freeform out.
Cyrax
I think it's normal for people at festivals to plan their sets and go from arena to arena at certain times to make sure they catch their favourites DJ's, people do enjoy Freeform as when I've played at hardcore raves and there's only been 1 room, people have stayed at danced just as normal!
*yes they have no choice but they all seemed to enjoy it*
The drunken scotsman
Wasn't there but I would've done the same as everyone else and pissed off if I had been. Nothing personal, I just don't like free form and never have. Plus I'm an old **** now and raving for more than 1 hour at a time is out of the question ;-)
warped_candykid
I don't see why your set would be focused on entirely new stuff anyways. There's nothing for people to connect to. You gotta have some oldie goldies thrown in there.
arpz
Cyrax, enjoyed your set as it happens, but you are right, I didn't have a choice :P
This isn't me 'calling out' Thumpa btw, just a wider discussion about freeform at hardcore really
Guest
freeform is about as boring as trance, should have openned with
after abit of editing
then go into
knock this winter badboy down to 170 with some re-engineering
Guest
can't forget this while taking it easy for ya
Guest
remix some of the uk hardcore vocal tracks and go back to selling 10,000 on hardtunes
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
freeform is about as boring as trance
Whilst I'm not sure boring is the right word, you raise a point about whether freeform should be marketed along with the trance/hard dance side of things. Not to suggest hardcore and freeform should completely distance themselves from each other or anything but perhaps it would have an appropriate audience elsewhere.
Guest
freeform should be replaced with NRG,so its NRG, uk hardcore, breakbeat hardcore
freeform is boring
you have clubland/NRG from which ever year its named
and all your powerstomp stuff, and both with break breakdowns
Captain Triceps
Bollocks to NRG.
skarr
HE was on at the same time as Andy c, what on earth was he expecting.
djDMS
Regardless of the rest of the discussion (if you can call OMG SCOTT YOU IZ THE BESTEST DJ, FCK THA HATERZ a discussion), the point about not enough people being interested in new music stands.
Whether it's because there aren't enough new listeners or it just isn't good/consistent enough is another argument.
scottyd2k9
I prefer older freeform which had more feeling to it. It sounds too much like trance now and not like hardcore.
Cyrax
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
freeform is about as boring as trance
Whilst I'm not sure boring is the right word, you raise a point about whether freeform should be marketed along with the trance/hard dance side of things. Not to suggest hardcore and freeform should completely distance themselves from each other or anything but perhaps it would have an appropriate audience elsewhere.
I agree, even though it's has always been alongside Hardcore, it could potentially work alongside other genres, Sinistry has a Hard Dance floor and a Freeform floor.
Tomorrow night I'm playing in Leicester, the rave has powerstomp, happy hardcore, allsorts really, I'm not going to be starting my set with anything intense or dark, will be kicking off with some big vocal stuff maybe and booty, and then progressing into some darker stuff with some a couple of classics thrown in, The Other Side is 100% getting played!
Guest
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
HE was on at the same time as Andy c, what on earth was he expecting.
except nobody cares for drum & bass
Guest
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
Bollocks to NRG.
at the beginning of 2000's it was called NRG, then it became clubland somewhere
DjZelous
Yea, If he was on as the same time as andy c, what can he expect tbh
Edit: I dont know how anyone can say that freeform is boring, clearly they havent bought one of the thumpa cd's. those things have some bombs on them
Samination
Freeform. Boring? get of your tits man
wong
quote:Originally posted by DjZelous:
Edit: I dont know how anyone can say that freeform is boring, clearly they havent bought one of the thumpa cd's. those things have some bombs on them
maybe because people have different tastes..... ya know, personally i find freeform boring as f*ck, it sends me to sleep bar that big kick stuff that was about a few years ago
Guest
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Freeform. Boring? get of your tits man
thats just uk's versions of crappy frenchcore nobody has ever cared about and why uk hardcore events start playing it everytime the gabba scene thats nothing todo with the uk hardcore circuit gets life
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
HE was on at the same time as Andy c, what on earth was he expecting.
except nobody cares for drum & bass
Lol; god damnit guest .
Outrageous.
* someone post Finbarr though
Guest
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
HE was on at the same time as Andy c, what on earth was he expecting.
except nobody cares for drum & bass
Lol; god damnit guest .
Outrageous.
* someone post Finbarr though
they don't, except londoners and twat students and those are not enough to stop it being called a dead scene with no radio shows or nothing left, but club nights with 20 people inside
you won't hear it anywhere in the world while out and about, its just forced onto you at events that started in the 90s
all your mark EG pill heads rocking it with your freeform don't exist anymore, for any scene in the uk to be big it has to be a bass scene, and all the millions that fuel all the pimped car shows won't bother with most london scenes, because they spent 10 years calling everyone chavs and scum and taking the piss out of pimped cars and chicks in hot pants while trying to pretend they arn't gay thinking chicks in cords are hunnies
versia
this thread isnt going anywhere. at this point it's literally just people going "I HAVE A BETTER TASTE IN HARDCORE THAN YOU DO" at each other.
arpz
Oh it became something much more meaningless than that.
Vladel
Thumpa a CDs do have some bangers on there but when you are talking about a small chance someone might play something beyond the usual droning fart noises, you are not gonna stick around when there is something else that might scratch the itch.
Guest
quote:Originally posted by versia:
this thread isnt going anywhere. at this point it's literally just people going "I HAVE A BETTER TASTE IN HARDCORE THAN YOU DO" at each other.
yup, but most freeform is'nt anything like the track that was posted, most of it on youtube will be like electro trance hardcore which goes in line with thumpa's own tracks on youtube, which is boring in general
Elipton
I don't think there's anything too inflammatory in this topic or in any posts by Olly or Scott. I want to start by saying that I've heard Olly live and it was flipping fantastic.
This whole thing just seems to be the luck of the draw. When a crowd goes mad with a big set for an hour, it's not unusual that they head off for a break or a drink if the next name isn't a headliner. Simple facts are that hundreds of people popping Es going mad for an hour or two and seeing a window of opportunity to get some water or some air. I think it's just one of those things.
I feel sorry for Olly, since the excitement to see some reaction for new material is what drives content creators and publishers. I can only imagine seeing the crowd thin out is seriously sapping.
Nothing can be taken away from Scott Brown. If he played a set, filled the room and kept them there; he's done a blinder. If Olly managed to fill the room toward the end of his set, he did well too. One of the facts we have to face is that Freeform is an under-study of Hardcore. At the moment, it doesn't have the draw that Hardcore anthems and new Hardcore tracks have always had.
I think the conclusion has to be to congratulate and encourage Olly for enduring the arduous task of introducing and presenting Freeform to people. It probably won't be the last time he feels that way behind the tables, but he's still doing good work for that genre by doing it.
Bring Me Round To Love
I like the modern Freeform sound because its closer to the UK Hardcore sound of the 00's unlike that farting rubbish that Gammer makes these days.
Cyrax
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
HE was on at the same time as Andy c, what on earth was he expecting.
except nobody cares for drum & bass
Lol; god damnit guest .
Outrageous.
* someone post Finbarr though
they don't, except londoners and twat students and those are not enough to stop it being called a dead scene with no radio shows or nothing left, but club nights with 20 people inside
Yeah you'd think will the small turnouts we'd stop doing the all together, but we're actually putting on LDN Freeform around Christmas/New Year, even with the 20 people that do come the last 2 have been really awesome events!
Quicksilver
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
HE was on at the same time as Andy c, what on earth was he expecting.
except nobody cares for drum & bass
Lol; god damnit guest .
Outrageous.
* someone post Finbarr though
they don't, except londoners and twat students and those are not enough to stop it being called a dead scene with no radio shows or nothing left, but club nights with 20 people inside
you won't hear it anywhere in the world while out and about, its just forced onto you at events that started in the 90s
Except that DnB is almost mainstream now, with the likes of, for example, Sigma (his most popular is over 200 millions views on Youtube), DJ Fresh, Rudimental (at least Waiting All Night, not sure if he's really making DnB anymore) and Chase & Status. Oh I hear you screaming now: "BUT THAT'S NOT DNB" - YES, it is. By definition it is, so your personal opinion on whether or not it is doesn't matter. Love it or hate it, it's DnB that has punched through the mainstream portal. DnB has never been as big as it is now.
Guest
200 million views mean nothing, every other track get 4000 after a year, the commercial shit in the charts is just 10 year olds that have it in a playlist on their phone get it to 200 million
in the real world, dnb is dead as a scene gets
hardcore, your gabba, takes a month to get 30,000 + and a year to get the million
arpz
To call DNB dead is completely moronic, it's never been bigger. You've got all the jump up raves happening every weekend then the likes of hospitality hosting massive events, RAM doing their thing all over the place, loads of new releases getting radio play all the time. Which rock are you living under?
Si Thompson
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
To call DNB dead is completely moronic, it's never been bigger. You've got all the jump up raves happening every weekend then the likes of hospitality hosting massive events, RAM doing their thing all over the place, loads of new releases getting radio play all the time. Which rock are you living under?
Yeah. I listen to Hype's kiss show every week and there is loads of new D&B. A lot of good stuff too!
Guest
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
To call DNB dead is completely moronic, it's never been bigger. You've got all the jump up raves happening every weekend then the likes of hospitality hosting massive events, RAM doing their thing all over the place, loads of new releases getting radio play all the time. Which rock are you living under?
it was huge, selling a million vinyl and club nights every night of the week, and labels doing world tours a few times a year from 1998 -> 2003 with tekstep
it all crashed to a end when jumpup came along and all the middleclass started calling everyone chavs and scum, and now its dead, it has been since for 10 years, dubstep had its time, but the middleclass killed that too doing the same thing as they did with drum & bass
everyone can call drum & bass dead, because it is
back in teh day, tech itch, renegade hardware could press 200,000, and they would all be sold the week of release
so as it stands now,, you have hardcore doing its thing, good job uk hardcore already exists
arpz
absolute tosh. Seriously. 'jump up came along'? No, jump up has been around for a long time, it's pretty much been THE style throughout the entire lifetime of the genre.
You can't talk about vinyl sales because the game has changed now - it's all empeefrees! You're way off the mark
wong
yeah but chavs n pimped up cars etc etc ..
Golion
If you ask me alot of the very best "gabber" was made when the style was at it's weakest (around 99-2002) so the size of a sceen has very little to do with the quality of music. When there is little money to fight over people might as well try new, cool things in their music. And I don't get what pimped out cars has got to do with hardcore? In central europe where this music is big I have never seen a connection like that? :P
DjZelous
quote:Originally posted by Golion:
And I don't get what pimped out cars has got to do with hardcore? In central europe where this music is big I have never seen a connection like that? :P
Hardcore has noting to do with pimped out cars lol, we just have a lovely member here that likes cars and teeth whiting products
Golion
Lol yes Im starting to get that :D
Samination
quote:Originally posted by DjZelous:
quote:Originally posted by Golion:
And I don't get what pimped out cars has got to do with hardcore? In central europe where this music is big I have never seen a connection like that? :P
Hardcore has noting to do with pimped out cars lol, we just have a lovely member here that likes cars and teeth whiting products
Sadly it does. You just need to remember the Chavs like pimped up cars...
and what does Hardcore usually get associated with (in the UK)?
djDMS
All this aside. I've seen much worse from people rubbishing the whole event and complaining about their set times/silent disco and other stuff.
So what Olly said shouldn't be an issue.
Elipton
Someone actually said D&B is dead?
Couldn't be more wrong!
Bring Me Round To Love
Check this D&B female vocal track from 1985 long before the 90's
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
absolute tosh. Seriously. 'jump up came along'? No, jump up has been around for a long time, it's pretty much been THE style throughout the entire lifetime of the genre.
You can't talk about vinyl sales because the game has changed now - it's all empeefrees! You're way off the mark
not really for dnb, vinyl dominates the dnb scene, almost all the releases are pressed up
arpz
Don't think so really, it lasted longer in DNB but I don't think it's most releases now at all. Maybe RAM/Hospitality/Shogun but jump up seems to be entirely digital
edit: had a quick look round, it seems like there's lots more than I thought - jump up is lacking but other genres still seem to be going strong, fair play lol
wong
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
All this aside. I've seen much worse from people rubbishing the whole event and complaining about their set times/silent disco and other stuff.
Cus people like to moan for the sake of moaning, i thought the event was ace, raving away to hardcore, hardstyle, gabber and jungle in the woods was amazing. And the silent disco was just a way to keep the party going due to sound restrictions, its either that or party over.
djDMS
quote:Originally posted by wong:
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
All this aside. I've seen much worse from people rubbishing the whole event and complaining about their set times/silent disco and other stuff.
Cus people like to moan for the sake of moaning, i thought the event was ace, raving away to hardcore, hardstyle, gabber and jungle in the woods was amazing. And the silent disco was just a way to keep the party going due to sound restrictions, its either that or party over.
Which is what I think most people would say about it. It really annoyed me to see Marley slagging SG off when he wasn't even there.
wong
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
quote:Originally posted by wong:
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
All this aside. I've seen much worse from people rubbishing the whole event and complaining about their set times/silent disco and other stuff.
Cus people like to moan for the sake of moaning, i thought the event was ace, raving away to hardcore, hardstyle, gabber and jungle in the woods was amazing. And the silent disco was just a way to keep the party going due to sound restrictions, its either that or party over.
Which is what I think most people would say about it. It really annoyed me to see Marley slagging SG off when he wasn't even there.
Oh was he? I didnt see that. Saw him slagging slammin vinyl off a few month back tho, mans got issues, clearly. Used to love him aswell
djDMS
Basically saying how quiet and shit it looked and that Welcome to the jungle was a proper, non commercial festival (no coincidence he was booked to play there).
Funny when Breeze posted a photo of the packed Hardcore tent, that shut him up!
skarr
Maybe the best thing to do would be write a massive 5 page essay about retirement n then 3 days later announce your massive comeback.....
Guest
quote:Originally posted by DjZelous:
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
absolute tosh. Seriously. 'jump up came along'? No, jump up has been around for a long time, it's pretty much been THE style throughout the entire lifetime of the genre.
You can't talk about vinyl sales because the game has changed now - it's all empeefrees! You're way off the mark
not really for dnb, vinyl dominates the dnb scene, almost all the releases are pressed up
i invented tekstep, i invented dubstep, i invented nu skool hardcore kicks, i know when jump up came along
this is all drum & bass was in the shops and clubs worldwide from 1997 to 2003
then london saw they're chance to take it back and pretend they aint gay with his pure shit
and it took 6 months to die worldwide and been dead since
while tekstep took over the world, hardcore died and uk hardcore was invented, hardcore carried on, then was reinvented when tekstep died, and now hardcore takes over the world
GregPeaks
Some amusing comments here.
Personally i feel that freeform is the strongest it has been in quite a few years. As a small scene it struggles to have producers regularly making music, and the scope to make it any way you want means that there is a lot of different sounding freeform out there, further burdening 'sceptics' and newbies.
But recently, more and more producers are reaching a high point in their quality of production. More and more albums releasing the music are being released. More and more events and gigs for DJs (like Thumpa, Cyrax etc) are taking place. This should have a positive impact on availability and buzz.
It's a massive leap forward since the days that Kevin Energy and Sharkey retired. Maybe for such an 'understudy' of hardcore to keep growing, it will take time and more hard work.
Patience being the keyword.
DJ A.K.
Saw this on facebook, I like Thumpa he does alot for the Freefrom scene (and he often likes my mixes ) he seems like a great bloke, maybe he could have worded his post a bit better (he probably thinks the same) and not mentioned a legend like Scott Brown (a real legend, probably the biggest name ever in hardcore), I know hes a fan of Scott so obviously wasnt anything personal.
It would be hard for most DJ's following Scott Brown especially if its a niche sound like Freeform and you arent one of the big names. I can imagine it would be disheartening but thats the life of a lot of DJ's, some of my favorite mixes only have a few likes on soundcloud, at least hes playing along side people like Scott Brown and getting bookings .
We do need DJ's playing new tracks though and experimenting, they dont always go down well with the masses but I'm glad DJ's like Thumpa are around.
GregPeaks
There's a very good saying that sums it up quite well:
"The anthems of tomorrow are the unheard tracks of today."
I spoke with Thumpa on Facebook briefly afterwards and told him not to worry, that the people who stayed would have loved it. He'll be fine! This holds true with anything - stick with what you're doing, believe in it and you can accomplish anything.
djDMS
Wonder what would have happened if Scott played an hour of new freeform...
Triquatra
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
Wonder what would have happened if Scott played an hour of new freeform...
Samination
well based on the slammin vinyl awards, just add acid lines and it's freeform :P
latininxtc
Is this topic still going? Oh dear god.
Just stopped by to see what's been going on here and clearly not much.
Back to playing Pokemon Go and watching Olympic sports I go!
Elipton
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc: Olympic sports
RULE 40
latininxtc
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc: Olympic sports
RULE 40
Is that why none of the rugby sevens athletes had their last name on their jerseys? Well that sucks.
GregPeaks
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
Wonder what would have happened if Scott played an hour of new freeform...
Best thing I've read all week
wong
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
Wonder what would have happened if Scott played an hour of new freeform...
I would have gone for a piss, then get a drink, then gone for a shit, then get another drink, go get a burger (although i would've struggled eating it), go for another piss. Then gone and seen BK in the woods :)
DJ A.K.
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
Wonder what would have happened if Scott played an hour of new freeform...
Maybe its just me but I always thought alot of his stuff was (kinda) Freeform, especially in the late ninties (and even some of his newer stuff like Ultimate Form and Promise), he always seem to mix genres, Freeform, Bouncy Techno, Hard Trance, Happy Hardcore, Gabba.
I'd class stuff like Pilgrim Freeform anyway.
Craigavon raver
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Freeform. Boring? get of your tits man
Superb tune! beast is right, absolutely destroy the place
Skidzorz
quote:Originally posted by scottyd2k9:
I prefer older freeform which had more feeling to it. It sounds too much like trance now and not like hardcore.
This .. Went back and listen to SHARKEY and Kevin Energy's disc from Bonkers 17 the other day and the sound on that CD is miles away from what's being pushed nowadays. I know some people love the super weird, "rolling", really trancey freeform, but the stuff coming out ten years ago sounded like it's own unique genre of music, not super sped up trance. That Qygen disc is cool but that album is rightfully being marketed as fast psytrance. I know that's an extreme example but I was playing a mix the other day and some freeform came on from (I believe) the Stamina crew, and they literally turned to me and said whoa, I've never heard trance this fast before
Vladel
quote:Originally posted by Skidzorz:
quote:Originally posted by scottyd2k9:
I prefer older freeform which had more feeling to it. It sounds too much like trance now and not like hardcore.
This .. Went back and listen to SHARKEY and Kevin Energy's disc from Bonkers 17 the other day and the sound on that CD is miles away from what's being pushed nowadays. I know some people love the super weird, "rolling", really trancey freeform, but the stuff coming out ten years ago sounded like it's own unique genre of music, not super sped up trance. That Qygen disc is cool but that album is rightfully being marketed as fast psytrance. I know that's an extreme example but I was playing a mix the other day and some freeform came on from (I believe) the Stamina crew, and they literally turned to me and said whoa, I've never heard trance this fast before
You have literally hit the nail right on the head there.
Impulse_Response
quote:Originally posted by Skidzorz:
...super weird, "rolling", really trancey freeform...
Just so I know what you're talking about, could you give me some examples of super weird, "rolling," really trancey freeform?
Samination
I believe 90% of stamina is like that :P
Anyways, even tho the trancecore days in late 90 was trancy as **** aswell, it was still miles better than the drops Douglas especially fancied (the non-existing ones that is)... but just like UK Hardcore, I will probably like the stuff out now in 5 years time...
Edit: I can see that the tracks work live on stage. When I was at I Love Hard Beats last week I didn't mind the drops at all. They kidna worked as they could give you a breather (or for people who liked to dance to go mental without missing out on the melodies) :P
But listening to them as single tracks or on a mix? Boring as fawk.
Mickey Init
Bump.
Someone said, earlier in this thread, that it was a Finnbarr tune that cleared the dancefloor at Summer Gathering but which one was it?
Was just checking out the TID November charts and there's one from Brisk and one from Finnbarr and that reminded me. Those charts aren't bad this month.
Elipton
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I believe 90% of stamina is like that :P
Anyways, even tho the trancecore days in late 90 was trancy as **** aswell, it was still miles better than the drops Douglas especially fancied (the non-existing ones that is)... but just like UK Hardcore, I will probably like the stuff out now in 5 years time...
Edit: I can see that the tracks work live on stage. When I was at I Love Hard Beats last week I didn't mind the drops at all. They kidna worked as they could give you a breather (or for people who liked to dance to go mental without missing out on the melodies) :P
But listening to them as single tracks or on a mix? Boring as fawk.
This is actually quite a good post. You've touched upon the difference between headphone and dancefloor music. Given that Hardcore music isn't really a consumer-sought item, it's pretty much solely produced for impact on the dancefloor. As result, it feels like the tempo of Freeform has slowed down to contain a longer breakdown and single drop.
By tempo, I don't mean BPM, I mean the structure. If you listen to Bonkers 17 or Bang Like a Mother, there's very little time for respite. It's hard-hitting and driving, and personally, the way I like it. For me listening to music, I don't want to reflect or recollect. I want to be in euphoria, undisturbed, for a good hour.
A.B
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
If you listen to Bonkers 17 or Bang Like a Mother, there's very little time for respite.
There is all kinds of stuff on the label, including ravey stuff like Bang Like A Mother (tune!):
Saying Stamina is 90% trance because there's a few ultra-deep Douglas bits in the catalogue? Almost like calling a big kick drop 'too much electro'.
Elipton
3 great tunes. Tamerax might be the new AMS. I hadn't heard his stuff before.
Since you're here, I've had a burning question for about 2 years now:
Will there ever be a melodic VIP Remix of your track with K-Wire, Smiler?
Please, please, please. Please.
Please.
A.B
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
Since you're here, I've had a burning question for about 2 years now:
Will there ever be a melodic VIP Remix of your track with K-Wire, Smiler?
Please, please, please. Please.
Please.
I didn't forget about that! I asked jD-KiD at the time you mentioned it, but he was busy with other projects when I asked. Maybe I'll ask him again ;D
Elipton
quote:Originally posted by A.B:
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
Since you're here, I've had a burning question for about 2 years now:
Will there ever be a melodic VIP Remix of your track with K-Wire, Smiler?
Please, please, please. Please.
Please.
I didn't forget about that! I asked jD-KiD at the time you mentioned it, but he was busy with other projects when I asked. Maybe I'll ask him again ;D
This excites me!
Thumpa
quote:Originally posted by Mickey Init:
Bump.
Someone said, earlier in this thread, that it was a Finnbarr tune that cleared the dancefloor at Summer Gathering but which one was it?
Was just checking out the TID November charts and there's one from Brisk and one from Finnbarr and that reminded me. Those charts aren't bad this month.
This one!
Captain Triceps
Hang on, that cleared the floor?!
Mickey Init
quote:Originally posted by Thumpa:
This one!
Not heard it before. Thought it might've been Morning Sun, that was all. There's not a lot on Finnbarr's SoundCloud.
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) he seems like a great bloke, maybe he could have worded his post a bit better (he probably thinks the same) and not mentioned a legend like Scott Brown (a real legend, probably the biggest name ever in hardcore), I know hes a fan of Scott so obviously wasnt anything personal. 
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