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rafferty Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/04/25 : 09:50:20
Is it just me or is Hardstyle more like Hardcore than what most of the UK Hardcore producers are doing these days?
You listen to producers like WILDSTYLEZ, WASTED PENGUINZ and BRENNAN HEART. They have made Hardstyle faster harder with real Hardcore Kicks and keeping it euphoric and vocally at the same time.
Take a listen to Brennan Heart and you will see where I am comming from.
Elliott Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/04/25 : 12:18:36
I think I said exactly the same thing on here a couple of years ago. Hardstyle has been excellent for a long time. To me, a lot of it is slowed down UK hardcore with a distorted kick.
One of my favourite EDM tracks of the decade so far. Huge!
While I'm on the subject of distorted kicks:
Also huge. And more like UK hardcore than most UK hardcore these days.
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Guest Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/04/25 : 21:20:58
so without going to all of the big events and actually caring about it all.. industrial etc only has a main place at dominator, ground zero and project hardcore
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rafferty Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/04/25 : 22:48:42
Like I said in another post, I think UK Hardcore has gotten too much influence from Hard Dance with their kicks. You just have to look how far ahead the Hardstyle scene is in popularity and production of their tracks compared to Hard Dance and it is pretty obvious UK Hardcore is looking at wrong genre for inspiration.
Hard Dance is a genre going nowhere and run out of ideas while Hardstyle has seemed to have taken alot of influence from the orginal roots of real Hardcore with distorted kicks and uplifing melodies.
Captain Triceps Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2015/04/26 : 00:52:36
I like hard kicks, I just, for some reason, don't like hardstyle ones - I don't know if it's just tracks I have heard, and I enjoy gabber, I just can't see myself enjoying more then a couple of hardcore tunes in a row with hardstyle kicks.
If they had happy hardcore kicks and an off bass perhaps, but that might be just me.
Posted - 2015/04/26 : 10:38:38
I dont think hardstyle nowadays is innovative. I would say the contrary, all tracks are kind of the same as since around 2010. I agree Hard dance is not the best reference cos they became some kind of punchy pop style with no fresh ideas. But hardstyle now is just a mix of a hardcorized kick an offbeat melody and a piano breakdown. Ah and I'm missing the guy voice in the middle haha. just an opinion of an ex-hardstyler ;)
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Like I said in another post, I think UK Hardcore has gotten too much influence from Hard Dance with their kicks. You just have to look how far ahead the Hardstyle scene is in popularity and production of their tracks compared to Hard Dance and it is pretty obvious UK Hardcore is looking at wrong genre for inspiration.
Hard Dance is a genre going nowhere and run out of ideas while Hardstyle has seemed to have taken alot of influence from the orginal roots of real Hardcore with distorted kicks and uplifing melodies.
Posted - 2015/04/26 : 10:46:25
By the way, there was a time when hardstyle didn't have that distorted kick and sounded much like slowed down hardcore, it's basically when i liked it
really experimental stuff those days (2000-2004) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGNv1NUptpY
Samination Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/04/26 : 15:20:04
That bass modulators track sounds very japanese.
but I still dont see how hardstyle is more hardcore than uk hardcore? uk hardcore was never set to take over the dutch stuff. and I thought we all agreed on our other threads that brittish people prefer the jungle/d'n'b' stuff more.
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Guest Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/04/26 : 20:37:16
the british prefer proper hardcore, because all other scenes are dead, except uk hardcore events always get out they`re clarkee and producer and start playing aload of bollox nobody has ever cared about, same with 1fm, as soon as anyone mentions gabba init, you can do 100 events nationwide at ghetto nights with all scenes in, then the bandwagon hops on board and kills it
everyone not sitting around with nothing todo hear proper hardcore at an event blings it, and how it rolls when people lurked for the past few years of life
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rafferty Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/04/27 : 10:00:05
quote:Originally posted by Jay-MD:
By the way, there was a time when hardstyle didn't have that distorted kick and sounded much like slowed down hardcore, it's basically when i liked it
really experimental stuff those days (2000-2004) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGNv1NUptpY
We must have opposite tastes lol...
As the 2000-2004 period of Hardstyle is when I despised it. Is only when it got faster and the kicks went proper Dutch Hardcore sounding is when I really got into Hardstyle. Hardstyle post 2012 to me is when it got good:)
Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,137 posts Joined: May, 2012
Posted - 2015/04/27 : 11:11:57
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
That bass modulators track sounds very japanese.
but I still dont see how hardstyle is more hardcore than uk hardcore? uk hardcore was never set to take over the dutch stuff. and I thought we all agreed on our other threads that brittish people prefer the jungle/d'n'b' stuff more.
I swear you weeaboos hear whatever you want to hear, man. It sounds like a ton of other hardstyle produced by white guys to me.
What we mean is that the huge supersaw leads and uplifting melodies of modern hardstyle sound more like what we expect/want from UK hardcore than current UK hardcore does.
In short: UK hardcore was good. It's shit now. Hardstyle is good because it sounds like UK hardcore when it was also good.
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Elliott Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/04/27 : 11:25:28
quote:Originally posted by Advather:
The more I hear hardstyle, the more I really like the leads, melodies... it's too bad I'm not a fan of hard kicks.
I'm all about those supersaw leads and euphoric melodies. I'd rather hear them at 170bpm with a UK hardcore kick/bass but if distorted kicks at 140bpm is all I can get, I'll take it.
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