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discoredia
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 Posted - 2009/03/20 : 09:13:53
Hi all,
Been a while since I've posted but I've been busy ripping my old tapes to my laptop, a long drawn out process when many are a good ten year old and like to chew / wind too tightly and not play etc. etc.
Anyways, got a good load done via audacity and, as expected, quality isn't great, but one of the biggest problems are the mp3's having the MC's way too loud. I don't mind a good MC, such as Sharkey, but does anyone know of a way to make the mc'ing quieter? The Vibealite Summer Sensation tapes I've done are particularly bad as the mc's were loud enough to start with.
I've tried the split stereo track to mono and invert one chanel method but that didn't do anything.
Anyone got any ideas?
Thanks.
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2009/03/20 : 09:40:46
Hmmm. Have you got the tools/ability to study the sound wave and use a limiter. If the music isn't peaking at 0db and the mc is so loud he is peaking higher that the music you might be able to use a limiter to squash him a bit.
You can't really use EQ or anything like that without seriously mashing up the music unfortunately. Maybe a slight dip where the vocal peaks could help but I wouldn't over do it. I can't see this working well at all though but maybe worth trying...
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discoredia
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Posted - 2009/03/20 : 12:31:33
Thanks for the tips.
When you "look" at the sound you can see peaks where the mc'ing is so I could maybe cut those down a little. I'll have to have a play around.
Even if the quality isn't that good at least I'm getting the tapes saved for posterity. Some of them are 16 / 17 years old and even the tape packs that are only 5 or 6 years old seem to be playing up and I'd expect them just to get worse with time.
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2009/03/20 : 13:12:52
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Originally posted by discoredia:
Thanks for the tips.
When you "look" at the sound you can see peaks where the mc'ing is so I could maybe cut those down a little. I'll have to have a play around.
That should work then. Good luck with it mate.
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silver
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Posted - 2009/03/23 : 04:36:28
I'd say next to impossible to do.
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Miikkii
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Posted - 2009/03/23 : 05:29:30
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Originally posted by silver:
I'd say next to impossible to do.
Im forced to agree with this, Unless your a good sound engineer. I doubt you could do it without dimming down the tracks quality/volume.
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silver
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Posted - 2009/03/23 : 12:02:02
You could technically do it IF you had the original track and delta wave compared the two layers but if you had the original track you wouldn't need to remove the MC because you would already have a track without the MC :)
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discoredia
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Posted - 2009/03/23 : 13:09:24
Not having a lot of joy with this to be honest so may just have to live with it.
At least I'm getting a back up of the old tapes from events that I went to in years gone by which was my main aim. Want to get them done before the tapes are all completely wrecked and will then just have to pick out the best ones to use as mp3's / burn to cd for the car(some of them don't have mc'ing so should work better.)
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2009/03/23 : 13:15:50
Are you actually trying to remove the mc or make him quieter as you've said one thing in the title and another in the topic :P
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/03/23 : 14:18:31
i think theres a way to cancel out vocal sounds by using either Adobe Audition or AV Music Morpher..
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discoredia
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Posted - 2009/03/23 : 16:32:06
Sorry for confusion. Just want to make it quieter and more in line with the balance I actually hear on the tape.
By the time I've recorded in Audacity, exported as mp3, and then burnt as an audio cd for the car the volume of the mc seems far higher than it was in the first place. I don't want to get rid of it, it was part and parcel of the night after all, but I'd like to be able to hear the music properly as well.
I have managed to get rid of the hiss that was in the background of the recording by selecting a sample of just noise and then removing it so at least that's something.
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2009/03/23 : 17:20:49
OK cool. Did you try using a limiter to squash the peaks?
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discoredia
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Posted - 2009/03/24 : 13:33:55
Not sure how to reduce the peaks without affecting the rest of the sound that's going on at the same time. I've tried amplifying a section and allow clipping to try and cut off the peak but it didn't have the desired effect. Even with the peak off the scale the MC still sounded excessively loud over the music and you could hear the distortion caused by the clipping.
After listening to it a couple of times it does get easier to put up with, and Sharkey was well on form on the tape I've been trying to sort, so I'll probably just leave it as it is and crack on with recording some more. Done about 40 tapes so far, hardly made a dent in the collection, and other tapes don't seem to have the same problem, though some do (just done Kaos from NYE 02/03 at Fantasy Island, really takes me back.)
Thanks for all the tips, if I stumble across a solution while playing around I'll post it up for anyone else's benefit.
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