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Lorenzo.Tweakn
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 Posted - 2009/05/15 : 03:06:18
can any1 give me any tips or good vsti or sample packs to use?
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Hard2Get
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 Posted - 2009/05/15 : 03:42:38
It's pretty much down to how you use the VSTi's and samples you have, as oppose to which ones you use. There is far more depth to the subject though than can be described on a forum post, so is there anything specific you want to know?
As a starting point though, all subtractive synths and alot of other synths are essentially the same, in that they all create similar kinds of sounds (they will differ tonally of course), you can get the same sound from most synths. It's how you program that synth that really mattes.
Since your aware of the fact you can get most basic sounds from any synth, it's just a matter of finding one that works the way you want it to, and sounds the way you want it to.
A large part of old Hardcore sound is the fact that everyone sampled alot and used samples alot. They would sample a synth and maybe layer that synth, to get a solid stabby kind of sound. The basis for alot of old Hardcore songs would be this 'stab' sound (and the use of other commonly used samples).
Back then i very much doubt this use of sampling would have been by design, it would have indeed been by the fact that they were limited to doing that. Alot of artists probably didn't own that many synths or good recording equipment. The biggest instrument they would have had at their disposal would have been the sampler. So they would either sample synths they did have or use samples already loaded into the sampler (or borrowed from other people or whatever. Or alternatively they might have used a sample-based synth module).
These days we don't have any of the same limitations, so it's hard to get the same kind of sound authenticaly. Alot of people try though. I myself find it easier to just work on my own original style than to deliberately limit myself to try and get a sound that was originally someone elses, and to try and gain success from the fact that it worked for that person at that time.
So anyway, it's more down to technique/proccess than the synths you use. If you learn the fundemantal things that make an old Hardcore tune sound the way it does, then you will be able to use pretty much any synth to get that kind of sound.
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Posted - 2009/05/15 : 03:53:08
theres an evil subliminal message hidden in these body of words, im on to you hard2get! O.o
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2009/05/15 : 04:07:07
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
It's pretty much down to how you use the VSTi's and samples you have, as oppose to which ones you use. There is far more depth to the subject though than can be described on a forum post, so is there anything specific you want to know?
As a starting point though, all subtractive synths and alot of other synths are essentially the same, in that they all create similar kinds of sounds (they will differ tonally of course), you can get the same sound from most synths. It's how you program that synth that really mattes.
Since your aware of the fact you can get most basic sounds from any synth, it's just a matter of finding one that works the way you want it to, and sounds the way you want it to.
A large part of old Hardcore sound is the fact that everyone sampled alot and used samples alot. They would sample a synth and maybe layer that synth, to get a solid stabby kind of sound. The basis for alot of old Hardcore songs would be this 'stab' sound (and the use of other commonly used samples).
Back then i very much doubt this use of sampling would have been by design, it would have indeed been by the fact that they were limited to doing that. Alot of artists probably didn't own that many synths or good recording equipment. The biggest instrument they would have had at their disposal would have been the sampler. So they would either sample synths they did have or use samples already loaded into the sampler (or borrowed from other people or whatever. Or alternatively they might have used a sample-based synth module).
These days we don't have any of the same limitations, so it's hard to get the same kind of sound authenticaly. Alot of people try though. I myself find it easier to just work on my own original style than to deliberately limit myself to try and get a sound that was originally someone elses, and to try and gain success from the fact that it worked for that person at that time.
So anyway, it's more down to technique/proccess than the synths you use. If you learn the fundemantal things that make an old Hardcore tune sound the way it does, then you will be able to use pretty much any synth to get that kind of sound.
I think thats a good bit of info there for your Lorenzo,
As Matt said, Alot of the time in Oldschool Happy Hardcore things were sampled. Such as breakbeats and percussion obviously (which is different from today, i see many talented producers 'making' their own percussion), stabs even. The "charlie" stab from a prodigy song was used alot as a stab, probably sampled. I doubt alot of the producers had recording equipment, alot of time in oldschool happy hardcore aswell they didn't engineer their own tracks. So they probably went to a recording studio with a prominent Happy Hardcore engineer at the time (Mixmatt, DNA, Trixxy, Mickey Skeedale, Fade), and wrote a track with them.
On the technical production side of Oldschool Happy Hardcore, there are some sample packs you can find online that you can buy which feature , well, oldschool samples. Wehther it be percussion, synth, what ever. But all of oldschool synths etc. were analogue based and were all synthesized using Hardware which i definitely think has a more refined and higher quality sound. You may be able to find rips of Juno's of stabs etc, etc.
Any questions hit me up on msn, this post is getting to be rediculously long.
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2009/05/15 : 04:28:44
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Originally posted by grafik_bionix:
theres an evil subliminal message hidden in these body of words, im on to you hard2get! O.o
I agree...
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
If you learn the fundemantal things that make an old Hardcore tune sound the way it does, then you will be able to use pretty much any synth to get that kind of sound.
hmmm
I'm now considering a name change.
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2009/05/15 : 09:56:32
haha! JD you should be a comedian!
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2009/05/15 : 15:48:44
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
haha! JD you should be a comedian!
what better way to put a smile on people's faces than to be a happyhardcore dj!
as for the name change...
How does DJ FunnyBone sound to you?
I'm joking btw.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2009/05/15 : 18:55:10
I have alot of good quality hardcore samples, and i even own a Juno but i don't think supplying you with those (samples) and leaving you to it is going to help you. You need to learn music production in general, synthesis in general and music theory in general. Once you understand those to some degree, then you'll probably find you don't even want to use samples because you can do so much more with pure synthesis.
Until you understand why old Hardcore sounds the way it does, you'll only get so far with using samples from that genre.
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