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whispering
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 Posted - 2011/05/29 : 12:20:59
In this topic we discuss how shit Blu-Ray and other new electronics are.
Blu-Ray is a prime example of the "advancements" in the electronics industry in todays world; Lets make it look better, but **** up everything else.
It has better picture and sound quality (at least so they say, my AV receiver doesn't notice a difference). It also takes a lot longer to load and the menus are more complex (the prime goal for a menu should be; the less you have to watch it, the better it is). But they didn't stop there, they went as far as to add Java into it. So with all the shiny menus and other irrelevant stuff it gained from adding it, in most of the movies (theres actually no way of knowing before buying) if i press stop and go for a smoke/get a new beer, i have to watch all the stupid warnings, the stupid animation and fast forward to where i was. Hail for the future of home entertainment!
But its not just BD, computer GUIs are made to look pretty, not to do what its supposed to be; a platform for the actual programs. You know the stuff you actually have a computer. Then theres phones, every single one now has a goddamn touch screen. Try riding a bike and change a song with that baby. Or write an SMS while holding a beer on the other hand. But they don't stop there. They've actually made cars with electric trunk locks, while stationing the battery in the trunk. How cool is that when the battery dries out. The key is to make shit look cool, rather then usable. Movies actually have another rather ironic example. They've now added "digital copies" to the discs for some odd reason. So now you don't have to bypass their copy protections if you want to have the movie on your PC, How cool an idea is that :D
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 12:43:28
all companies care about is how to sell you more shit, that is all.
if they can force you to watch a few adverts, or see their logo before you do something, anything to remind you that they exist and that you MUST BUY from them.
dvds also do this forcing you to watch a load of trailers before hand and their own advertising crap.
companies will never ever care about this aspect of it as it will ALWAYS be more benificial to them to have all this advertising shit and take a few niggles, no matter how many people complain, they just dont care.
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whispering
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 12:53:57
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
dvds also do this forcing you to watch a load of trailers before hand and their own advertising crap.
Its rather rare here to have forced trailers (only have a few), but we do have the copyright stuff. But the shittiest thing with movies is that if the distributor sucks, you cant buy the movie from another one. You either buy it or you don't. So so movies are easy to just ditch, but if its something you really want to see you're screwed. However what i can do, is stop buying Blu-Rays and get the cheaper DVD. Which i have to do anyway in most cases because of the region codes. I buy a lot of Korean movies and Anime, which are not released here.
...and the really annoying thing wasn't the commercials, but the fact that Blu-Ray doesn't remember where you stopped the movie, unlike DVDs.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 13:10:24
The ironic thing about all the stop piracy adverts is that the people who are forced to watch them are the ones who actually bought the dvd.
I once read a comparison between dvd and pirated copy that went like so:
pirated copy: find ******* - 2 minutes
download movie - 5 to 20 min depending on location
play movie: no trailers, ads, etc, movie starts immediately
Bought copy: Find time to go to store - could be half a week away
fork out for movie
sit through 10-20 min of previews and ad's that can't be skipped
start movie
And they wonder why people illegally download.
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JustIncredible
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 13:40:47
I've never had a problem with any Blu-Ray disc and I own a lot.
And yes, Blu-Ray looks and sounds a 1000x better, it's got to the point now where I can't even watch a regular DVD because it just looks awful.
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whispering
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 13:46:50
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Originally posted by Lilley:
The ironic thing about all the stop piracy adverts is that the people who are forced to watch them are the ones who actually bought the dvd.
I once read a comparison between dvd and pirated copy that went like so:
pirated copy: find ******* - 2 minutes
download movie - 5 to 20 min depending on location
play movie: no trailers, ads, etc, movie starts immediately
Bought copy: Find time to go to store - could be half a week away
fork out for movie
sit through 10-20 min of previews and ad's that can't be skipped
start movie
And they wonder why people illegally download.
TBH, i don't mind the wait. Which usually for me is 1-2 weeks on non Finnish releases. Finnish releases i buy at my lunch brakes. The adverts are shite though. But their not used that often here. Mainly on US and British releases i buy. I would probably jump into the digital download wagon (mainly to save shelve space), if it was an actual copy of the movie, and not a DRM timebomb software.
I still do want to support the film makers in the hope they'll continue doing the good stuff.
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whispering
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 13:49:02
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Originally posted by JustIncredible:
I've never had a problem with any Blu-Ray disc and I own a lot.
And yes, Blu-Ray looks and sounds a 1000x better, it's got to the point now where I can't even watch a regular DVD because it just looks awful.
I only have a "HD Ready" projector, my home theater amp and my speakers arent good enough to notice any sound difference. What do you do when you need to pause the film and watch the end later? Over half of the BDs i own dont remember where you stopped the film. Ironically its the cheaper ones that do.
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JustIncredible
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 13:55:52
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Originally posted by whispering:
quote:
Originally posted by JustIncredible:
I've never had a problem with any Blu-Ray disc and I own a lot.
And yes, Blu-Ray looks and sounds a 1000x better, it's got to the point now where I can't even watch a regular DVD because it just looks awful.
I only have a "HD Ready" projector, my home theater amp and my speakers arent good enough to notice any sound difference. What do you do when you need to pause the film and watch the end later? Over half of the BDs i own dont remember where you stopped the film. Ironically its the cheaper ones that do.
I just pause it. Can't really fault Blu-Ray in anyway because I've never had a problem with it. What are you using to play the discs? I'm using a PS3.
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whispering
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 14:06:34
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Originally posted by JustIncredible:
I just pause it. Can't really fault Blu-Ray in anyway because I've never had a problem with it. What are you using to play the discs? I'm using a PS3.
I use Sony BDP-S370, after some investigation i've done, it comes down to java. If the disc uses it, it doesnt remember where you stopped the film. Unless the manufacturer have specifically added the function to the disc, which they often don't do (even then you would need to use some bookmark feature or something). If Blu-Ray didn't have Java, it would work as DVDs. So it is the fault of the disc.
Maybe you don't press stop that often? I have a break 1-2 times between every movie i watch. I can stop watching a TV series, and continue after a few weeks. The DVD player always remembers the spot, the BD player doesn't.
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JustIncredible
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 14:18:32
quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
quote:
Originally posted by JustIncredible:
I just pause it. Can't really fault Blu-Ray in anyway because I've never had a problem with it. What are you using to play the discs? I'm using a PS3.
I use Sony BDP-S370, after some investigation i've done, it comes down to java. If the disc uses it, it doesnt remember where you stopped the film. Unless the manufacturer have specifically added the function to the disc, which they often don't do (even then you would need to use some bookmark feature or something). If Blu-Ray didn't have Java, it would work as DVDs. So it is the fault of the disc.
Maybe you don't press stop that often? I have a break 1-2 times between every movie i watch. I can stop watching a TV series, and continue after a few weeks. The DVD player always remembers the spot, the BD player doesn't.
Yeah, I rarely ever press pause unless I have to answer the phone or something.
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 16:15:04
how is this any different from VHS tapes?
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 17:31:42
ahh, VHS werent digital Samination, they were analogue (they used magnetic tape for storage). DVDs and the like are digital and with DVDs you have the potential to just put in the dvd and press play straight to the movie.
this was trickier with VHS as you had to fast forward, or re-wind.
now with blue ray and dvd often you dont even get the option to fast forward through the opening trailers and advertising.
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 17:59:23
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
ahh, VHS werent digital Samination, they were analogue (they used magnetic tape for storage). DVDs and the like are digital and with DVDs you have the potential to just put in the dvd and press play straight to the movie.
this was trickier with VHS as you had to fast forward, or re-wind.
now with blue ray and dvd often you dont even get the option to fast forward through the opening trailers and advertising.
I used to have a DVD-player that actually could force-skip those. It broke so I had to get a new one :(
Anyways, are you technophobic Whisp? :P
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 18:20:50
yea you can skip the previews by hitting the menu buttons on the controller or the skip scene buttons. i use my PS3 as a dvd/BR player now, but i can definitely tell u i don't remember ever using half the buttons on the controller of my sony dvd player lol so i can see how it gets a bit confusing.
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whispering
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 18:21:18
Some computer players also let you force skip. I think its the cheap Chinese brands that don't care about the regulations that let you do it.
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
yea you can skip the previews by hitting the menu buttons on the controller or the skip scene buttons.
Most releases work like that, but some prevent you from using the skip or menu buttons. Their rather rare, but it does happen. Sometimes you can only fast forward (the stupid 'you wouldn't download a car' advert is usually like that).
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Originally posted by Samination:
Anyways, are you technophobic Whisp? :P
I'm well on my way becoming a grumpy old man that keeps saying 'everything used to be better in the old days'. So a partial yes :P I love technology, but for me it always has a purpose. The device itself isn't the cool thing, what it does is. So anything made just for the "wow" -effect isn't my cup of tea. A GUI can look super cool, but not with the expense of usability.
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Hirschi
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Posted - 2011/05/29 : 21:26:14
I see it neither black nor white. I agree with whispering that Java and the new security features make some blu-ray titles a pain in the ass to watch. I also smile everytime I read 'BD Live' on the package...because this won't work anymore as soon as the release was a couple of months ago.
On the other hand BD is digital and does not decompose, unlike VHS. Also, considering larger displays, it's inevitable to have movies in higher resolution that BD provide. Eventually, there are the less region codes (A-C) and the policy of companies to publish BD without any region restrictions.
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