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Originally posted by Archefluxx:

One last thing.
Ionosphere, its going slowly. Uni has been very busy, but I've recently competed and have as much thirst for the sport as ever before :)




Excellent, glad you haven't lost the thirst and good luck. :)


...."thirst"? Is that the right word for a swimmer? ....don't drink the water in the pool.


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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
@Dyz, its Easter holiday...



Oh yeah. My bad. Didn't notice because I work and don't have kids ;P

Still, how long does it take you to write the responses? Surely it's really not worth the time and effort?


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quote:
Originally posted by Dyzphazia:
quote:
Originally posted by Archefluxx:
@Dyz, its Easter holiday...



Oh yeah. My bad. Didn't notice because I work and don't have kids ;P

Still, how long does it take you to write the responses? Surely it's really not worth the time and effort?



I'm quite a good typer, so writing replies isn't too laborious if I have a point I particularly want to make


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FWIW
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
While I don't know the specifics here, the copyright holder owns the track no matter where it is or how it is released (even for free), in this case the artist and can make any sort of conditions they want. Seems strange to exclude one person but that's upto the owner of the track to decide and no one else.



This is 100% true. Copyright is inherent upon making of a track. If material in said item is part of copyright fraud that is something that is up to the people who owned the copyright of the material used to make an issue of. On that note:
quote:
Koh, as it turned out, hadnt made up her mind. Samsung, she suggested, may have imitated Apple, but Apple may have imitated a much earlier and commercially unsuccessful device introduced in 1994 by the newspaper publisher Knight-Ridder.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-03-29/apple

Point being, if you piss someone off enough, say by telling them to remove your item claiming copyright, they can turn around and dob you in without any trouble at all.


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Originally posted by whispering:
quote:
Originally posted by Archefluxx:
Firstly no. The only person I've prohibited is you.

Secondly no. The only person I've prohibited is you.


You prohibited retrospectively, which means you can do it to anyone else, too. Thats a huge risk someone takes when playing any of your tunes on a mix that is given away (which is illegal strictly speaking).


The legality of all this is troubling. I do not believe permission can be removed retrospectively. If permission existed at a the time the mix was released, that can't be taken away after the fact due to a hang up. You have given the right to put your track in the mix - maybe not explicitly but certainly implicitly. At this point, I'm fairly certain the only legal order for removal can come from Gamefreak. Or you invoking copyright theft on gamefreak's behalf but the downside of that is you will need to remove your track from the public domain in order to erase all trace of copyright theft from your track before releasing it again.



The stupidity of all this is that you want to lose the the free publicity you are getting from having your track in his mix. I understand that the two of you had a panties twisting moment but seriously? Typically the only people with asses tight enough to do that already have the popularity not to need the free publicity and it actually costs them rather than benefits them. Gamefreak would be a perfect example of this.

I hope this sorts itself out without such drastic measures trying to be applied.


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Firstly:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
My god twitter is a confusing peice of shit.



Next,
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:The Real me IS NOT the same as the internet twat I am.



its true.. samination is really a hot redhead brunette girl from norway! ;)


Post naked pics.

Thirdly,

quote:
Originally posted by Dys7:
Can't you guys just **** drop this convo already? Neko already said he's done with the argument and he's not posting on this topic anymore


Go away, you're boring.

Now, in complete fairness to both parties, this sounds a lot like two teenagers complaining that one got a longer suck on mummy's tit than the other did...

Now I think I must add that this:

quote:
Originally posted by rafferty:
Nekoshuffle sounds like your using this forum to rubbish Archefluxx who really only seemed to direct it at mainly YOU not using HIS tracks on YOUR mixes. And you've gotten shirty at this and tried to make out that he said everyone can't use Archefluxxs tracks in their sets.

Also this post has been very one sided and all about Neckoshuffle version of events. Because the way this looks is Nekoshuffle wants to ruin this guys reputation on a forum because he's angry at them.
No need to put a personal disagreement on a forum to get people on your side. Because I and most other people on here are'nt believing it.

Also I've heard a lot of Nekoshuffles mixing and sets on youtube, levels are pretty ordinary as well as a lot of the mixing. So I really do think it's a bit rich of Nekoshuffle to come on these forums and slate so many different people. Kinda like a saying THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK or THROWING STONES AT GLASS HOUSES WHEN YOUR OWN HOME IS MADE OF GLASS.

MAYBE IF YOU BECOME A BIT MORE HUMBLE AND KIND TOWARDS PEOPLE YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY GET LISTENED TO. Because nearly all I see on your posts are constant bitching about people.

Ever noticed how the poeple that make it Hardcore let their music do the talking. Instead wasting all their time posting bull and venom towards other people in the scene you don't like for one silly reason or another. I'm telling you now, you've annoyed way too many people in high places and will never get giggs anywhere decent. You kinda blacklisted yourself.
Also I'm not a dj, just an enthusiast who loves Hardcore. Have a nice day.


is complete ********. Bit's may be factual but altogether it's ********.

Nekoshuffle sounds like your using this forum to rubbish Archefluxx who really only seemed to direct it at mainly YOU not using HIS tracks on YOUR mixes. And you've gotten shirty at this and tried to make out that he said everyone can't use Archefluxxs tracks in their sets.

Not tried. Did. Completely plainly obvious for everyone who bothers using their eyes to see. It says that if you argue with this guy long enough he's not going to give permission to use his material or possibly even try to revoke permission previously given. The precedent has been set, and its standing out like an erect penis on a thai ladyboy. It will make some people very cautious about using his material in future particularly considering that Arch is hardly headlining the scene. Archefluxx, removing permission to use tracks in future is one thing and in fairness is completely your choice and no one can really say anything against that, but to try it retrospectively is a dumb**** of a thing to do.

Also this post has been very one sided and all about Neckoshuffle version of events.

All that is needed to respond to this is
If you have the patience/time, the full conversation can be read at http://www.twitter.com/NekoShuffle and http://www.twitter.com/archefluxx
For complete intellectual honesty, the full account has been linked. You really can't get much more even-handed than that. As for dragging it into the public sphere, well it was already there on twitter. Sure it's gossip but if it wasn't for gossip this forum wouldn't exist anymore.

Also I've heard a lot of Nekoshuffles mixing and sets on youtube, levels are pretty ordinary as well as a lot of the mixing. So I really do think it's a bit rich of Nekoshuffle to come on these forums and slate so many different people. Kinda like a saying THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK or THROWING STONES AT GLASS HOUSES WHEN YOUR OWN HOME IS MADE OF GLASS.

This is just completely retarded, the two don't even compare. "You're crap at air-hockey so you can't make comments about someone's heritage" WTF?

Ever noticed how the poeple that make it Hardcore let their music do the talking. Instead wasting all their time posting bull and venom towards other people in the scene you don't like for one silly reason or another.



And regarding getting gig's? where the **** did you come from? Money gets gig's, not popularity amongst promoters. Every single person who has some role in the scene hates the ****ing button-eyed mousehead with a passion that burns like pompeii, yet he still gets gig's because he brings money. Same goes for tiesto.


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quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
I think Archefluxx's hissy fit is about the best since Sharkey took his tunes down and went home.



Hissy fit? Compared to Archee, Sharkey's the biggest Hissy around, pulling out his own album project because of what happened with Hardcore Energy 2. True, piracy isn't a fine thing, but he dissapointed alot of fans who wanted to buy his unreleased tracks. now that's dirty.




I wasn't aware this was the reason for ditching the album. I just figured he wasn't happy with it & decided against it.

That's a real shame. A legend like Sharkey should, no MUST! finish such a career with a bang & a nod to the fans.

I can understand his frustration but not everyone out there are greedy little f**kers & are happy to pay respect where it is due. Hopefully he'll have second thoughts. Its a real sour note to end such an outstanding career on.


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quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:The Real me IS NOT the same as the internet twat I am.



its true.. samination is really a hot redhead brunette girl from norway! ;)



How can you be a redhead AND a brunette?

I knew this was false.


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This is Arche we're talking about. He'll get over it.



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quote:
Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
I think Archefluxx's hissy fit is about the best since Sharkey took his tunes down and went home.



Hissy fit? Compared to Archee, Sharkey's the biggest Hissy around, pulling out his own album project because of what happened with Hardcore Energy 2. True, piracy isn't a fine thing, but he dissapointed alot of fans who wanted to buy his unreleased tracks. now that's dirty.




I wasn't aware this was the reason for ditching the album. I just figured he wasn't happy with it & decided against it.

That's a real shame. A legend like Sharkey should, no MUST! finish such a career with a bang & a nod to the fans.

I can understand his frustration but not everyone out there are greedy little f**kers & are happy to pay respect where it is due. Hopefully he'll have second thoughts. Its a real sour note to end such an outstanding career on.



I don't know if it's true, it was said on a thread that was talking about Hardcore Energy and the piracy around it.
I think I read it on USH so I find out who are what it said.
http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=53684&SearchTerms=piracy


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quote:
Originally posted by Lilley:
Firstly:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
My god twitter is a confusing peice of shit.



Next,
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:The Real me IS NOT the same as the internet twat I am.



its true.. samination is really a hot redhead brunette girl from norway! ;)


Post naked pics.

Thirdly,

quote:
Originally posted by Dys7:
Can't you guys just **** drop this convo already? Neko already said he's done with the argument and he's not posting on this topic anymore


Go away, you're boring.

Now, in complete fairness to both parties, this sounds a lot like two teenagers complaining that one got a longer suck on mummy's tit than the other did...

Now I think I must add that this:

quote:
Originally posted by rafferty:
Nekoshuffle sounds like your using this forum to rubbish Archefluxx who really only seemed to direct it at mainly YOU not using HIS tracks on YOUR mixes. And you've gotten shirty at this and tried to make out that he said everyone can't use Archefluxxs tracks in their sets.

Also this post has been very one sided and all about Neckoshuffle version of events. Because the way this looks is Nekoshuffle wants to ruin this guys reputation on a forum because he's angry at them.
No need to put a personal disagreement on a forum to get people on your side. Because I and most other people on here are'nt believing it.

Also I've heard a lot of Nekoshuffles mixing and sets on youtube, levels are pretty ordinary as well as a lot of the mixing. So I really do think it's a bit rich of Nekoshuffle to come on these forums and slate so many different people. Kinda like a saying THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK or THROWING STONES AT GLASS HOUSES WHEN YOUR OWN HOME IS MADE OF GLASS.

MAYBE IF YOU BECOME A BIT MORE HUMBLE AND KIND TOWARDS PEOPLE YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY GET LISTENED TO. Because nearly all I see on your posts are constant bitching about people.

Ever noticed how the poeple that make it Hardcore let their music do the talking. Instead wasting all their time posting bull and venom towards other people in the scene you don't like for one silly reason or another. I'm telling you now, you've annoyed way too many people in high places and will never get giggs anywhere decent. You kinda blacklisted yourself.
Also I'm not a dj, just an enthusiast who loves Hardcore. Have a nice day.


is complete ********. Bit's may be factual but altogether it's ********.

Nekoshuffle sounds like your using this forum to rubbish Archefluxx who really only seemed to direct it at mainly YOU not using HIS tracks on YOUR mixes. And you've gotten shirty at this and tried to make out that he said everyone can't use Archefluxxs tracks in their sets.

Not tried. Did. Completely plainly obvious for everyone who bothers using their eyes to see. It says that if you argue with this guy long enough he's not going to give permission to use his material or possibly even try to revoke permission previously given. The precedent has been set, and its standing out like an erect penis on a thai ladyboy. It will make some people very cautious about using his material in future particularly considering that Arch is hardly headlining the scene. Archefluxx, removing permission to use tracks in future is one thing and in fairness is completely your choice and no one can really say anything against that, but to try it retrospectively is a dumb**** of a thing to do.

Also this post has been very one sided and all about Neckoshuffle version of events.

All that is needed to respond to this is
If you have the patience/time, the full conversation can be read at http://www.twitter.com/NekoShuffle and http://www.twitter.com/archefluxx
For complete intellectual honesty, the full account has been linked. You really can't get much more even-handed than that. As for dragging it into the public sphere, well it was already there on twitter. Sure it's gossip but if it wasn't for gossip this forum wouldn't exist anymore.

Also I've heard a lot of Nekoshuffles mixing and sets on youtube, levels are pretty ordinary as well as a lot of the mixing. So I really do think it's a bit rich of Nekoshuffle to come on these forums and slate so many different people. Kinda like a saying THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK or THROWING STONES AT GLASS HOUSES WHEN YOUR OWN HOME IS MADE OF GLASS.

This is just completely retarded, the two don't even compare. "You're crap at air-hockey so you can't make comments about someone's heritage" WTF?

Ever noticed how the poeple that make it Hardcore let their music do the talking. Instead wasting all their time posting bull and venom towards other people in the scene you don't like for one silly reason or another.



And regarding getting gig's? where the **** did you come from? Money gets gig's, not popularity amongst promoters. Every single person who has some role in the scene hates the ****ing button-eyed mousehead with a passion that burns like pompeii, yet he still gets gig's because he brings money. Same goes for tiesto.



I don't think it's totally about money, if someone is good enough and lets their talent do the talking they'll make it anywhere. You can't say every single known dj is up there because they have money. Sounds like something someone would say that is annoyed that they hav'nt gotten to where they want to go.

I think nearly everyone in the hardcore scene playing at the big events is there because they make good music and pull a crowd. Not how much money they pay promoters. Sorry but there is no way Klubfiller or Darwin etc is paying promoters to play at their giggs. Just would'nt happen.

You listen to the big names playing these days like Gammer, Joey Riot, Recon, Fracus etc. They are there because they are dam good mixers and producers and have their own sound. They don't try and copy hardcore sounds from 5 years ago. Are constantly pushing musical boundaries.

As for slating people, I don't think someone can be too critical towards someone if they are much worse than the person they are slating. MAKES THEM LOOK PLAIN JEALOUS!!
Which is definitely the case with Neckoshuffle. I've seen him say Breeze is a shit dj, yet Breeze is a miles better dj and producer than him.

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quote:
Originally posted by rafferty:
I don't think it's totally about money, if someone is good enough and lets their talent do the talking they'll make it anywhere. You can't say every single known dj is up there because they have money. Sounds like something someone would say that is annoyed that they hav'nt gotten to where they want to go.

I think nearly everyone in the hardcore scene playing at the big events is there because they make good music and pull a crowd. Not how much money they pay promoters. Sorry but there is no way Klubfiller or Darwin etc is paying promoters to play at their giggs. Just would'nt happen.

You listen to the big names playing these days like Gammer, Joey Riot, Recon, Fracus etc. They are there because they are dam good mixers and producers and have their own sound. They don't try and copy hardcore sounds from 5 years ago. Are constantly pushing musical boundaries.

I don't know why when I said it's about money you automatically assumed it's because the dj's pay the promoters. It doesn't work like that. It's about money in that those dj's bring a crowd that pays money to promoters in order to listen to them. Dj's that don't bring crowds don't get booked. The only shows that aren't for money are out in a barn or a field somewhere, where no one pays to get in, nor does anyone get payed to play.

quote:
As for slating people, I don't think someone can be too critical towards someone if they are much worse than the person they are slating. MAKES THEM LOOK PLAIN JEALOUS!!
Which is definitely the case with Neckoshuffle. I've seen him say Breeze is a shit dj, yet Breeze is a miles better dj and producer than him.

That may well be the case, but you didn't say that originally. What you did was compare apples to oranges, by suggesting that he was only arguing with Arche in reference to his music - clearly not the case at all, in fact given arche's stuff is in his mixes he probably thinks it's pretty decent - but rather was something completely unrelated to that. And no, criticising another efforts doesn't make someone look jealous. I will criticise abstract art for eternity, not be because of jealousy at the artist's "talent" but rather through complete contempt. I will also happily criticise Rhinana or any of the other muppets for "producing" (like they actually do any part of it) crap quality music that sounds like bubbly diarrhea. No I am not jealous of their amazing music.



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quote:
Originally posted by rafferty:
As for slating people, I don't think someone can be too critical towards someone if they are much worse than the person they are slating. MAKES THEM LOOK PLAIN JEALOUS!!
Which is definitely the case with Neckoshuffle. I've seen him say Breeze is a shit dj, yet Breeze is a miles better dj and producer than him.

By the way I like that picture.



You're using your opinion to say that Neko sucks incomparison too Breeze? Well that's kinda obvious since Mark has been in the game for 20+ years now.

While we're on the Breeze subject. I think he's has fallen far down like Jean Michel Jarre. JMJ's stuff where supreme until late 90's when he started doing more techno trance instead of instrumental/ambient.


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Originally posted by Samination:While we're on the Breeze subject. I think he's has fallen far down like Jean Michel Jarre. JMJ's stuff where supreme until late 90's when he started doing more techno trance instead of instrumental.



what is this weird obsession with JMJ? lol :P


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quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:While we're on the Breeze subject. I think he's has fallen far down like Jean Michel Jarre. JMJ's stuff where supreme until late 90's when he started doing more techno trance instead of instrumental.



what is this weird obsession with JMJ? lol :P



cause his latest 2 albums (that aren't any collection of his older/live shows) sucked :P Oh well, I'm not exactly adding anything substanial(?) into this topic so it's my time to stfu.


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Originally posted by Samination:
I'm not exactly adding anything substanial(?)


There's substance to this thread? O.o


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