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bulby_g Here are the results:-

1st - Synesthesia - Be a Star
2nd - Influx - Potatofriend
3rd - Ionosphere - Sarabande
Joint 4th - Cordharel - Tracknumber512
Joint 4th - Bulby_G - Happycorecomp101
5th - DJ Fundabounce - Magical1
6th - Tommy Renegade - HHcore41
Joint 7th - Manuelf - Helloeverybody
Joint 7th - Ruroken - HHCdotcomrmxcomp

Big up guys and thanks to anyone who placed their vote.

Big thanks again to Hard2Get, Ionosphere, Treasure and Dain-Ja for all the time and effort spent getting things ready for this!


Rules for the comp:

1. The lyrics have to be written by a member of the site. Publishing rights will goto the creators of the lyrics.
2. The vocals have to be sung by a member of the site, male or female, duet or combination of different singers.
3. The artist of the track will be the producers name, feat. the singers name.
4. The track has to be produced by a member of the site and posted only here.
5. The track can be remixed or further colibrated on by other members of the site if you post the project file.
6. You have 2 months.
7. The winner will be voted by the members of the site.

This time there will be a sample pack available but you will not be restricted to using it.

Hard2Get I very much doubt it, but now is a good time to start!
redwingz why wats the remix comp?
warped_candykid
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
why wats the remix comp?



ya...explain please?
bulby_g This was the last one, should explain everything :)

http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19583

Shall we just get the ball rolling then? Perhaps a few more interested people should reply and we can work something out between us? Same thing as last time or different rules perhaps?
redwingz sounds like a wicked idea for me, id definitely be interested in having a go, ive wanted to do somethin like this with the other members of the site for a while
Mortis Might be interested.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Shall we just get the ball rolling then? Perhaps a few more interested people should reply and we can work something out between us? Same thing as last time or different rules perhaps?


Sounds like a plan. As for any kind of prize who cares; sorting that out will only delay things and it's fun enough as it is just do enter it!
bulby_g OK, excellent.

Well I'll edit the first post and keep adding people who are interested and might be interested. In a week or so when we have given people a chance to log on and see this thread, we can all chip in on what we think would be suitable rules for the competition.

It would be nice if we could get some sort of original vocals sorted again but this may be difficult! Perhaps any singers/song writers among us would like to help out? :) If this isn't possible maybe we could agree on a suitable sample to chop up or something?

Anyways... Anyone interested please let us know in this thread and I'll add you to the list of interested people.
Future_Shock Haha thank god its open to everybody i think id struggle a bit against some people on here. ;) not mentioning any names you know who you are.

I'll be in. I would really rather have about a month to work on it though.... is that too out of the question considering as we havent even sorted out vocals or anything yet?

Also it kinda just takes the fun out of it if everyone takes their tracks to ruffage... i mean that pretty much takes the PRODUCTION rating out of everybody's tracks.... or am i alone in thinking that?
Orbit1 ^^^

How can you have a remix comp when you don't know what you're remixing?
dj_deano Ill do one if there are no vocals. Need to know what ill be working with though.
bulby_g Nice one Influx, I'll add you.

I don't think a month to actually work on the track after rules are decided is unreasonable at all. Most of us are going to have other projects, work etc to be cracking on with.

Orbit1 - Well we could do something like last time if we manage to get some original vocals together or if someone is kind enough to donate some they have used in a past track perhaps... Failing this we could all come up with some samples (films rips or whatever) and vote on one to use? It's open to discussion at the moment basically.

As this is not specifically for a CD release or anything we are perhaps not so held by copy write laws depending on how silver feels about certain samples being used for x amount of remixes on the site. Something original is always going to be the best route IMO.

At all interested?

Deano - I'll put you down then and we'll see what happens.
Ionosphere Ah ha!

To answer Sam's question maybe it should be called a 'Production Competition', same as last time.

That way everyone can use whatever vocals are 'donated' as they see fit, same as last time.

To avoid questions and confusion, anyone wishing to enter should take the trouble to read everything from the last time.

....and maybe, everyone who enters, should read the rules properly, unlike the last time.


Time, that's the problem atm....


Go on then, we're in.
djscorch I'll have a blast - a deadline might help me to stop fannying about and actually finish a track properly : )
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
Ah ha!

To answer Sam's question maybe it should be called a 'Production Competition', same as last time.

That way everyone can use whatever vocals are 'donated' as they see fit, same as last time.

To avoid questions and confusion, anyone wishing to enter should take the trouble to read everything from the last time.

....and maybe, everyone who enters, should read the rules properly, unlike the last time.


Time, that's the problem atm....



Agreed and topic changed ;).

I think time is going to be an issue for most (myself very much included!) if we were to just say "GO!" in a weeks time and expect tracks to be in a month later. I'm sure everyone would have to free up a bit of time so perhaps we can take our time getting people on board and making sure everything is clear before we proceed. This way people can perhaps try and free up some spare time to put aside for working on something.

You guys at all interested with that in mind? Or still going to struggle to fit it in?

PS. got your e-mail, will reply when I get home and can have a listen :)
novaboy DEFINETLY INTERESTED!!!
DEFINETLY!!!!

havei come to late!!!

Your all going down!!!

Come on Influx!!! :D
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by djscorch:
I'll have a blast - a deadline might help me to stop fannying about and actually finish a track properly : )



Good stuff man, will put you down :)

ps. You're not alone on the finishing tracks thing ;).
redwingz im still very much up 4 it, will be good fun to see what other people come up with as we all like different things. id likee to see 'smoogie' enter it (coz hee into bouncy techno) and 'alex e' coz i think hee is thee youngest member here so would be good 2 hear his stuff.

ill ava go whatever tho, mine will be crap lol but ill ava go
Orbit1 What would be interesting would be to provide a specific sample pack (kicks, hihats, perc along with other other basic track parts) and a guideline/rule/law indicating that you can only use said samples from that pack.

Would even out the playing field.
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
DEFINETLY INTERESTED!!!
DEFINETLY!!!!

havei come to late!!!

Your all going down!!!

Come on Influx!!! :D



No, plenty time, I'll put you down :)

Nice one Redwingz, is all about the taking part. If you're only just starting out it's all good practice aye and you will no doubt get some good feedback on your work!

Is always interesting to hear peoples different takes on the same tune.


bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
What would be interesting would be to provide a specific sample pack (kicks, hihats, perc along with other other basic track parts) and a guideline/rule/law indicating that you can only use said samples from that pack.

Would even out the playing field.



That's a great idea but would perhaps limit the range of styles that people can make? If someone wanted to do a breakbeat or oldskool track they may be a bit stuffed? People could maybe make any drum samples they're using available but that could get messy... Thoughts anyone?

Treasure La La La La La ............... I feel a song coming on !

Ionosphere in da house
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
What would be interesting would be to provide a specific sample pack (kicks, hihats, perc along with other other basic track parts) and a guideline/rule/law indicating that you can only use said samples from that pack.

Would even out the playing field.



I think that's the best way to go as far as measuring skill. The samples shouldn't really limit anyone genre wise as long as they are good samples :P
novaboy dam.. i was going to do a remix of 'sound of my dream'
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
What would be interesting would be to provide a specific sample pack (kicks, hihats, perc along with other other basic track parts) and a guideline/rule/law indicating that you can only use said samples from that pack.

Would even out the playing field.



I agree.

With that said, I'm interested as long as I like the material provided - I'm not gonna spend time producing a track with samples/vocals I dislike.

Put my name down.

However, the last competition promised a vinyl release of the track and this never happened - if I'm gonna spend my time producing something I want it to get vinyl or (at least) CD exposure.

:)
novaboy i never knew you produced, dain ja.
there are alot of talented hardcore producers from canada, like anabolic (cough) :)
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Treasure:
La La La La La ............... I feel a song coming on !





Dain-Ja - At this point in time it's really impossible to promise any sort of release or prize unless someone with the capacity to do so gets involved. For now, it's just for fun. Still interested?

Looks like people are in favour of having a sample pack then?

Kick,
Snare,
Clap,
Open Hat,
Closed Hat,
Ride,
Percussion Loop/Percussion samples
Crash,

Are the obvious things, do we want anything else? What's going to be the best way to chose these samples?
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
quote:
Originally posted by Treasure:
La La La La La ............... I feel a song coming on !





Dain-Ja - At this point in time it's really impossible to promise any sort of release or prize unless someone with the capacity to do so gets involved. For now, it's just for fun. Still interested?

Looks like people are in favour of having a sample pack then?

Kick,
Snare,
Clap,
Open Hat,
Closed Hat,
Ride,
Percussion Loop/Percussion samples
Crash,

Are the obvious things, do we want anything else? What's going to be the best way to chose these samples?




But will pick those sounds? and either way, wtih enough editing you can turn them into whatever you want.

I think the sounds that should be predetermined should be the vocals and/or other samples used (like rap samples for the intro or whatever).
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
quote:
Originally posted by Treasure:
La La La La La ............... I feel a song coming on !





Dain-Ja - At this point in time it's really impossible to promise any sort of release or prize unless someone with the capacity to do so gets involved. For now, it's just for fun. Still interested?

Looks like people are in favour of having a sample pack then?

Kick,
Snare,
Clap,
Open Hat,
Closed Hat,
Ride,
Percussion Loop/Percussion samples
Crash,

Are the obvious things, do we want anything else? What's going to be the best way to chose these samples?




But who will pick those sounds? and either way, wtih enough editing you can turn them into whatever you want.

I think the sounds that should be predetermined should be the vocals and/or other samples used (like rap samples for the intro or whatever).



bulby_g Maybe once we've given everyone a chance to look through this topic and show their interest we should have a vote on the whold drum sample pack thing then? Maybe silver could set up a poll...
Dain-Ja but like I'm saying, drum samples don't really matter

you can give me a kick and I'll stretch it, compress it EQ it, put some overdrive on it, etc. and I can make it sound completely different

so I don't think having pre-set drum samples would do anything good apart from create extra work for us


the only thing I think should be compulsory is:

1) samples (but not percussion - I'm talking rap vocals or movie quotes or whatever we wanna use)
2) vocals (acapella or whatever)

Like someone else said - if we limit the percussion it also limits the styles we can produce alot.
bulby_g I personally agree with you but I think perhaps it should be down to all involved to decide. I'm happy to try anything that's thrown in TBH. :)
Audio X I'm in!

I think perc samples are a bad idea as they can limit some people who don't have the capabilities to create their own drum sounds. I vote we stick with vocal samples only and leave everything else up to producers. :)
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Audio X:
I'm in!

I think perc samples are a bad idea as they can limit some people who don't have the capabilities to create their own drum sounds. I vote we stick with vocal samples only and leave everything else up to producers. :)



Excellent and vote taken into account. :)
redwingz i agree, just have vocals the same and then you can do whatever you want with the track, but every1 will have the samee lyrics in it
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
i agree, just have vocals the same and then you can do whatever you want with the track, but every1 will have the samee lyrics in it



HAH
I will slice and melodyne the vocals just to annoy you all by changing the lyrics

:P
ruroken I'll have a go at this, sounds fun.
Perc samples would be nice for nubs like me lol but I'll take whatever I'm given.
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by ruroken:
I'll have a go at this, sounds fun.
Perc samples would be nice for nubs like me lol but I'll take whatever I'm given.



Good stuff mate, I'll put you down :) If we don't go ahead with a sample pack and you want some samples, just ask. I'll donate you some and I'm sure anyone else would too.
ruroken Awesome, thanks a lot :)
Can't promise much because I'm new to DJing and the scene in general, but I'll try my best.
Looking forward to what everyone else puts out too.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
there are alot of talented hardcore producers from canada, like anabolic (cough) :)



He isn't a talented producer.
ruroken I think that's why he coughed :P
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
there are alot of talented hardcore producers from canada, like anabolic (cough) :)



He isn't a talented producer.



I didn't think he produced anyway... Just put his name on a couple of other peoples tracks and churned out some badly mixed CD's. ;)
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
there are alot of talented hardcore producers from canada, like anabolic (cough) :)



He isn't a talented producer.



I didn't think he produced anyway... Just put his name on a couple of other peoples tracks and churned out some badly mixed CD's. ;)



Correct!
Yeah, I liked the jungalized remix "he made" of wanting to get high but that was actually produced by a Toronto local.

He also did something with Luna-C but from what I hear he didn't do very much at all.

He can't produce, he can't DJ but he can throw a ****ing slamming party. That's all I can say - amazing promoter, terrible DJ/producer.
Pope C XXIII I'm in.
novaboy jesus.

you guys didnt see the sarcasm.
Audio X
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
there are alot of talented hardcore producers from canada, like anabolic (cough) :)



He isn't a talented producer.


Anyone who thinks he is has been hypnotized into thinking so! :lol:
eddiewould Count me in =D
novaboy Well for the sample pack, maybe we should have a choice with remixing 5 or so songs? Such as choosing one and like seeing whoever has done the best?

And of course the rest of the samples and stuff.. It will be interesting to see who can make use of the samples and capellas.

Im going to struggle alot i dont think ill even make the top 10 !!!

Very very eager to face off to Ionosphere, Influx, Audio X, Dain-Ja, Bulby, Matt, Sam to name a few..

Silver i know ur out there!!! Count ur self in !!!! I wanna battle u! :D
novaboy Theres alot of people on here i know who are talented who havent entered themselves yet!

You know who you are ;)
Orbit1
quote:
Well for the sample pack, maybe we should have a choice with remixing 5 or so songs? Such as choosing one and like seeing whoever has done the best?


I personally think thats a bad idea.

Better to have a vital sample pack with perc & breaks (if need be?) and then let the people loose.

Find freedom within the restrictions and then expand the boundaries.
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
quote:
Well for the sample pack, maybe we should have a choice with remixing 5 or so songs? Such as choosing one and like seeing whoever has done the best?


I personally think thats a bad idea.

Better to have a vital sample pack with perc & breaks (if need be?) and then let the people loose.

Find freedom within the restrictions and then expand the boundaries.



Whatever, it was worth a try.

when are we going to start producing?
how long do we get?

this is going to be very fun, as i said, i cant wait competing against happyhardcore.com's other members.

@ influx's post alot earlier on, i agree.. i dont think everyone should be sending their tracks to robin ... judging on production is the key thing.
bulby_g Pope, Eddie - Nice one, added. :) Starting to get a nice list together now.

I've spoken to Silver about starting times and we both agree it should certainly be left till after the holidays as people will be away and have other commitments. This should give people some time to try and free up their schedule as well. In the meantime we can get everyone together and get everything set in stone.

Regarding mastering, that's a tough one. How can you tell someone hasn't had their track mastered by someone else? It's very difficult. Robin isn't the only one out their that does mastering.
novaboy well personally i think every song contributed by everyone has to be produced, engineered, mastered (to some extent) by themselves. That way it would level it out more and illiminate unfair advantage. Not that i care or anything. Because theres 10's and 10's of people on this site far more talented than ill ever be lol.
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
well personally i think every song contributed by everyone has to be produced, engineered, mastered (to some extent) by themselves. That way it would level it out more and illiminate unfair advantage. Not that i care or anything. Because theres 10's and 10's of people on this site far more talented than ill ever be lol.



I agree but is there really any way to police it?
novaboy well, i guess we can just hope people dont cheat.
i mean, you would be pretty sad to cheat in just a fun competition.

i doubt anyone will cheat, but if you do, your ruining the fun.
Future_Shock or just dont send masters?

see this is personally why i think there SHOULDNT be a prize. If people arent getting anyything out of it except seeing where they stand and what they can do compared to everyone else (which should be enough) then whos gonna pay for it to be mastered?

its all in a bit of fun i think youd have to be taking it a bit seriously to do that....
bulby_g That's fair enough. We will ask that people don't have their tracks mastered by anyone other than the member/members working on the track.
novaboy yeah i really dont care about a prize.

its just competing with other producers on happy hardcore.com ... seeing how good many are and getting pleasent suprises.

To me this competition is an absolutely fantastic idea, this should be great !!!
Orbit1
quote:
Originally posted by Audio X:
I'm in!

I think perc samples are a bad idea as they can limit some people who don't have the capabilities to create their own drum sounds. I vote we stick with vocal samples only and leave everything else up to producers. :)



But I've got some really kick ass samples that I'm sure mr novaboy wouldn't have. You don't think that would make it unfair?

Surely by limiting the samples, then you really get to see people's real skill and talent?
Future_Shock completely agree with orbit1

There shouldnt be an issue if theres enough samples for whatever they wanna put in the track. Obviously theres not going to be 1 kick drum, 1 snare, 1 clap and 1 hat. Come on. There will be plenty there to make whatever break or gabber you want....

at least thats how id look at it.
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
quote:
Originally posted by Audio X:
I'm in!

I think perc samples are a bad idea as they can limit some people who don't have the capabilities to create their own drum sounds. I vote we stick with vocal samples only and leave everything else up to producers. :)



But I've got some really kick ass samples that I'm sure mr novaboy wouldn't have. You don't think that would make it unfair?

Surely by limiting the samples, then you really get to see people's real skill and talent?




well i dont really mind.. but i think a sample pack would be a good idea.

but i hope someone doesnt go get their tracks engineered or mastered!
Orbit1
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
quote:
Originally posted by Audio X:
I'm in!

I think perc samples are a bad idea as they can limit some people who don't have the capabilities to create their own drum sounds. I vote we stick with vocal samples only and leave everything else up to producers. :)



But I've got some really kick ass samples that I'm sure mr novaboy wouldn't have. You don't think that would make it unfair?

Surely by limiting the samples, then you really get to see people's real skill and talent?




well i dont really mind.. but i think a sample pack would be a good idea.

but i hope someone doesnt go get their tracks engineered or mastered!




whats wrong with getting them mastered?
novaboy well, gettign them mastered after is okay, but like, cant we just produce a clean track without getting it mastered for an advantage?

not that i really care, im just in it for the fun
95_was_the_time ill be in for this!
Future_Shock i think that if anyone can master they should be entitled to master their own track as that comes down to production per se.

But i dont think anyone should be getting someone else to master something for them as that takes away all the "i did it myself" kind of thing.

Still, theres no way to police it.
Dain-Ja who cares about mastering, it's not gonna make a crap track sound good
...anybody serious about this is gonna master it themselves anyways

as for timelines...2 months would be nice

I'm so busy I wouldn't want to have to drop out simply due to crazy timelines. Normal tracks take me two months so I don't see why this one wouldn't...

I don't really care about the sample pack, but like I said, you can make them sound like whatever you want so it won't limit anything. And if we DO get one, it better be good.

Collaborations with other happyhardcore.com members are fine right?
michael_mansion I've got some vocal tracks laying around ready for a remix competition. But I would require some sort of entrance fee from all the producers because I had to pay the vocalists for the recording session.

I am a songwriter/producer/engineer from the United States. Put me down on the list and let me know if what everyone wants to do. Some of my earlier work is up on Myspace:

www.myspace.com/michaelmansion



Audio X LOL Michael, if they're Alina's vocals they'd better come pre-melodyned.
Dain-Ja I can sing vocals

it'll be a real competition because I have a terrible voice, sing off-key and will purposely record in a loud environment



jk
michael_mansion Melodyne is Life...Life is Melodyne
bulby_g Michael & 95 - Nice one, added you.

No one will be wanting to pay to enter, it's just for fun after all.
michael_mansion I agree that no one will want to pay to enter...

But I consider vocal performances as a service, and therefore expect that if the remix pack is to be somehow handed to us, someone should be getting compensation.

If somebody is willing sing high-quality vocals, that's really cool; but that would require them having access to a professional studio or a bedroom studio of their own.

On the other hand, we could just remix a commercial track that has vocal tracks available somewhere on the internet.

If the vocals end up being recorded by somebody on these boards, I would personally pay them just for the heck of it. I think anywhere between $20-$40 per entrant is quite reasonable, and would provide enough incentive for someone to actually invest the time.

Furthermore, I think anyone who has actually recorded vocals knows the skill well-enough to appreciate the art, and would therefore consider proper compensation a reasonable action.

-Michael

redwingz ^^^ **** that, i aint payin sum1 sing vocals so that i can enter a competition for fun. id rather sing them myself for nothin! why dont we just share the lyrics and then you have to get them recorded yourself, by you singing or someone else, and you can then have them in any style you want and any tempo etc, coz ppl will interpret the same lyrics diffwerently.

just an idea, im happy to do whatever coz im not gunna win, but i just dont wanna have to pay to enter, especially as its xmas n am skint
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
^^^ **** that, i aint payin sum1 sing vocals so that i can enter a competition for fun. id rather sing them myself for nothin! why dont we just share the lyrics and then you have to get them recorded yourself, by you singing or someone else, and you can then have them in any style you want and any tempo etc, coz ppl will interpret the same lyrics diffwerently.

just an idea, im happy to do whatever coz im not gunna win, but i just dont wanna have to pay to enter, especially as its xmas n am skint



Don't worry, whatever happens people will not be paying to enter! :)
redwingz
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
^^^ **** that, i aint payin sum1 sing vocals so that i can enter a competition for fun. id rather sing them myself for nothin! why dont we just share the lyrics and then you have to get them recorded yourself, by you singing or someone else, and you can then have them in any style you want and any tempo etc, coz ppl will interpret the same lyrics diffwerently.

just an idea, im happy to do whatever coz im not gunna win, but i just dont wanna have to pay to enter, especially as its xmas n am skint



Don't worry, whatever happens people will not be paying to enter! :)



lol good good.

im lookin forward to this, should be good
XtarsiA im in

hi guys *waves*
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
I've got some vocal tracks laying around ready for a remix competition. But I would require some sort of entrance fee from all the producers because I had to pay the vocalists for the recording session.

I am a songwriter/producer/engineer from the United States. Put me down on the list and let me know if what everyone wants to do. Some of my earlier work is up on Myspace:

www.myspace.com/michaelmansion


yeah i know about you, top tunes!




Leto
quote:
Originally posted by XtarsiA:
im in

hi guys *waves*



WOAH! You back!
novaboy come on! i know heaps of people who really really should be in here!

*cough*fundabounce*cough*
Audio X
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
I think anywhere between $20-$40 per entrant is quite reasonable


I could see that maybe for some kind of commercial dance. But hardcore? A lot of artists don't get paid a whole lote more than that for their tracks unless it's a major release. For that kind of money, you would have to grant a full license to sell, distribute, and exploit the work in any way they see fit, royalty-free, and include multiple takes recorded at different tempos.

novaboy i think 0 dollars is quite reasonable ...
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by XtarsiA:
im in

hi guys *waves*



WOW, long time mate, added. Hope things are well. :)

What're people views on times for completion? Should we go with two months so everyone has plenty of time? I know a lot of us taking part are very busy.
redwingz yeah i think 6 weeks or 2 months would be good. lol i cud have 2 years and i wouldnt produce a good song haha :p
michael_mansion
quote:
Originally posted by Audio X:
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
I think anywhere between $20-$40 per entrant is quite reasonable


I could see that maybe for some kind of commercial dance. But hardcore? A lot of artists don't get paid a whole lot more than that for their tracks unless it's a major release. For that kind of money, you would have to grant a full license to sell, distribute, and exploit the work in any way they see fit, royalty-free, and include multiple takes recorded at different tempos.





Well, for instrumental hardcore that doesn't involve much more than the producer, compensation is negligible.

However...if we expect to get vocals done quickly and efficiently by someone who can actually sing, it's a different story. This is why I don't see $20-$40 a significant barrier to entry. In fact, $20 of the $40 could go to the winner, and make for a good prize.

These are just ideas, but it's not up to me so do what ya want!

Ionosphere The very first sentence of this topic -

quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:

Please let us know if you're interested in taking part. Doesn't mater what level you're at, it's just a bit of fun. :)




....pay?


F**king pay?
novaboy lol i personally dont care about pay.
Audio X
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
The very first sentence of this topic -

quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:

Please let us know if you're interested in taking part. Doesn't mater what level you're at, it's just a bit of fun. :)




....pay?


F**king pay?


QFT
Pope C XXIII
quote:
Originally posted by Audio X:
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
The very first sentence of this topic -

quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:

Please let us know if you're interested in taking part. Doesn't mater what level you're at, it's just a bit of fun. :)




....pay?


F**king pay?


QFT




QFT
Angel Projekt I'm interested but i have 2 questions,

1. What are we remixing?
2.Will there be any samples available to work with?

thanx
Orbit1
quote:
Originally posted by Angel Projekt:
I'm interested but i have 2 questions,

1. What are we remixing?
2.Will there be any samples available to work with?

thanx



Seems like people are too busy arguing about samples rather than selecting which ones to be made available.
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
quote:
Originally posted by Angel Projekt:
I'm interested but i have 2 questions,

1. What are we remixing?
2.Will there be any samples available to work with?

thanx



Seems like people are too busy arguing about samples rather than selecting which ones to be made available.




well sam this is whati personally think.

a sample pack , perc, breakbeats, whatever.. but no leads, stabs, bass or effects.

i think we should be able to choose a tune to remix ourselves.

2 months seems ALOT of time, but its fair because theres alot of busy people out there.

i would gladly organize the sample pack but you would find people making shit because i havent got the best samples .. who will be doing the sample pack?


are there any other guidelines really?
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
quote:
Originally posted by Angel Projekt:
I'm interested but i have 2 questions,

1. What are we remixing?
2.Will there be any samples available to work with?

thanx



Seems like people are too busy arguing about samples rather than selecting which ones to be made available.




well sam this is whati personally think.

a sample pack , perc, breakbeats, whatever.. but no leads, stabs, bass or effects.

i think we should be able to choose a tune to remix ourselves.

2 months seems ALOT of time, but its fair because theres alot of busy people out there.

i would gladly organize the sample pack but you would find people making shit because i havent got the best samples .. who will be doing the sample pack?


are there any other guidelines really?



What do you mean by choose a tune to remix ourselves? We'll get into a bunch of sample clearing issues...

What I think is that:

1) Someone needs to record or provide vocals they own the rights to.
2) Once we have vocals we can MAYBE have a sample pack - which I think Orbit1 could provide (since it sounds alot of people want to be confined to certain percussion sounds).


The reason we need everyone to have specific vocals is that:

1) It'll make it a real competition since we'll be working with the same stuff (and tough competition will make us produce better tracks)
2) We won't run into copyright issues
3) If someone decides to release the tuneage it won't be too hard
4) It would be nice to have something we made 'from scratch' at the end of the contest


Let's not use vocals that have been used before - if we do use vocals they should have only been used once by someone that has the rights to them and is providing them to us.

I think there shouldn't be any rules in terms of BPM or style to allow for increased creativity.

I'll personally be doing a 175 BPM UK hardcore number but I'm sure we'll get some nice breakbeat hardcore entries - so it would be loads of fun and variety.
bulby_g Yes, it seems that most people want specific drum sounds so lets go with that. Does anyone want to put something together? Sam ;) If not I can sort something but I wouldn't be the best person to do it.

I don't think people should be able to use any vocal, it's messy.
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Angel Projekt:
I'm interested but i have 2 questions,

1. What are we remixing?
2.Will there be any samples available to work with?

thanx



Nice one. See above. :)
novaboy yep, sorted, i agree.
Hard2Get I can put samples together no prob.
quote:

I don't think people should be able to use any vocal, it's messy.

Definately not, it wouldn't be much of a production competition then :P
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Angel Projekt:
I'm interested but i have 2 questions,

1. What are we remixing?
2.Will there be any samples available to work with?

thanx



Nice to have some female interest for once :)
Meph751 if you guys dont decide soon i'm always available to record some hardcore yodeling in my bedroom studio (lots of money and time went into the studio to replicate the harmonics of the swiss alps). free of charge, of course.
tommy_renegade i'm in

nb. only read first page so correct me if its gone :(

also can u pm me when its kickin off, i have a habit of forgetting to check threads i'm replied in LOL
Future_Shock lets get this shit organised.

Sam can you do a sample pack? or maybe just do a UK hardcore sample pack. Someone else can do a breakbeat sample pack, gabber sample pack, freeform sample pack etc etc...

who can get some vocals organised?
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
lets get this shit organised.

Sam can you do a sample pack? or maybe just do a UK hardcore sample pack. Someone else can do a breakbeat sample pack, gabber sample pack, freeform sample pack etc etc...

who can get some vocals organised?



If it wasn't XMAS I would bankroll the vocals but I can't afford it with all the gift-giving coming up.

However, I know Reese could probably hook us up with a decent vocalist (cause I remember him mentioning he got some tracks re-sung) - maybe we could offer her royalties and put her name on the track (like "happyhardcore.com feat. generousvocalist - people like money too much") so if we get it released (and considering the people entering into the contest that's pretty much a given)...

That way nobody would have to pay, she'd just get part of the money once the track sells?

Or I can ask someone I know that does vocals if she's interested (Jackie Shaw, featured in a few blizzard boys/phosphor tracks)
...I'll do that.
Audio X I'll ask Serenity if she's interested in donating something. :)
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:


What do you mean by choose a tune to remix ourselves? We'll get into a bunch of sample clearing issues...

What I think is that:

1) Someone needs to record or provide vocals they own the rights to.
2) Once we have vocals we can MAYBE have a sample pack - which I think Orbit1 could provide (since it sounds alot of people want to be confined to certain percussion sounds).


The reason we need everyone to have specific vocals is that:

1) It'll make it a real competition since we'll be working with the same stuff (and tough competition will make us produce better tracks)
2) We won't run into copyright issues
3) If someone decides to release the tuneage it won't be too hard
4) It would be nice to have something we made 'from scratch' at the end of the contest


Let's not use vocals that have been used before - if we do use vocals they should have only been used once by someone that has the rights to them and is providing them to us.

I think there shouldn't be any rules in terms of BPM or style to allow for increased creativity.

I'll personally be doing a 175 BPM UK hardcore number but I'm sure we'll get some nice breakbeat hardcore entries - so it would be loads of fun and variety.



NOW this comp is getting somewhere.There has to be an actual sample that we all get to use or else we'd be just competing for "HappyHardcore.com member's" Track of the year.
so I second Dain-Ja's proposal on getting a vocal(copyright hassle-free) with at least the basic melody line written for it(a song is not a song without this).
novaboy why dont we just all try to remix one song, its much easier, we can judge on who produced the song the best?

and JD, you reckon your in?
michael_mansion OK,

If someone gives me lyrics, I can have my vocalist record them Thursday night. She is coming over for a 2-day session and I may have time to write the song before then. She is a professional country music singer and she is on my Myspace page. By Friday, I can have the vocals tuned and ready and uploaded to the site.

Since this is a website competition, I've resolved that I will go ahead and do this for free. If someone wants to put together a sample pack, I think this would be cool, but the extra work of putting together a sample pack might not be necessary, since the availability of samples online is pretty much endless.

Does a Friday Dec. 14th Start Date sound reasonable to everyone?? I think this is good timing because this is around the time when people our age take off from school/work, so there will be extra time for everyone to work on their remix.


Let me know if this sounds good, and I will talk with my vocalist.

Mike
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
OK,

If someone gives me lyrics, I can have my vocalist record them Thursday night. She is coming over for a 2-day session and I may have time to write the song before then. She is a professional country music singer and she is on my Myspace page. By Friday, I can have the vocals tuned and ready and uploaded to the site.

Since this is a website competition, I've resolved that I will go ahead and do this for free. If someone wants to put together a sample pack, I think this would be cool, but the extra work of putting together a sample pack might not be necessary, since the availability of samples online is pretty much endless.

Does a Friday Dec. 14th Start Date sound reasonable to everyone?? I think this is good timing because this is around the time when people our age take off from school/work, so there will be extra time for everyone to work on their remix.


Let me know if this sounds good, and I will talk with my vocalist.

Mike



it sounds great to me.. but, what about what others think.

but i think it shoudl be a good date.
Future_Shock I don't see a problem with it at all starting then and i can't see why anyone WOULD have a problem with it starting then considering as everyone will get until halfway through FEBRUARY to get it done. Which is plenty of time.

I still maintain that everyone should still be using the same sample packs to avoid advantages/disadvantages. I think as soon as we organise a breakbeat, uk hardcore and a gabber sample pack then this will actually start the ball rolling.

I think each pack should consist of say... 5 drums, 5 closed hats, 5 open hats, 5 snares, 5 claps and a crash or two. Did i miss anything?
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
I don't see a problem with it at all starting then and i can't see why anyone WOULD have a problem with it starting then considering as everyone will get until halfway through FEBRUARY to get it done. Which is plenty of time.

I still maintain that everyone should still be using the same sample packs to avoid advantages/disadvantages. I think as soon as we organise a breakbeat, uk hardcore and a gabber sample pack then this will actually start the ball rolling.

I think each pack should consist of say... 5 drums, 5 closed hats, 5 open hats, 5 snares, 5 claps and a crash or two. Did i miss anything?



Andrewlikesmen.
bulby_g Hard2Get - If you could sort the sample pack that'd be great.

****To those that Have mentioned being able to sort vocals, that would be fantastic! If you're definitely able to do this please let me know on here or by PM.****

not too sure on a 14th start, it may be suitable for people who attend school/college but a lot of us are in full time employment don't forget! I know plenty of us are working on stuff at the mo' that needs finishing up and we need to get samples/vocals sorted for the comp. As well as all that some people will be away for the holidays and/or be spending it with friends, family, girl/boyfriends and just wont find time.


I personally think a 1st of Jan start would be best as this gives people time to get ready and us time to get the comp ready as well...

quote:
Originally posted by tommy_renegade:
i'm in

nb. only read first page so correct me if its gone :(

also can u pm me when its kickin off, i have a habit of forgetting to check threads i'm replied in LOL



WKD mate, will add you :)
novaboy i think its all organized now.
we just gotta get more people realizing the date. personally i reckon 14th is supurb, for me as im holidays, but ill do whatever suits happyhardcore.com im easy...
Ionosphere For those who haven't bothered to read the whole of this topic -

quote:
Originally posted by Treasure:
La La La La La ............... I feel a song coming on !




....writing some lyrics now so, give us a chance.

Starting the competition on the 1st of Januaryt 2008 sounds more than reasonable.
Future_Shock regarding vocals:


whoever writes/records the vocals is it gonna include a midi of a basic chord progression or is it letf to complete interpretation?

Im sweet either way its jsut when harmonies are added to the chorus is struggle to find the right key.... is that just me?
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
For those who haven't bothered to read the whole of this topic -

quote:
Originally posted by Treasure:
La La La La La ............... I feel a song coming on !




....writing some lyrics now so, give us a chance.

Starting the competition on the 1st of Januaryt 2008 sounds more than reasonable.




Didn't know that this was confirmed. Excellent mate, merits for all are in the post. :)

Well it looks like we have our vocals then, that's fantastic.

I really think leaving it till after the holidays is the best bet. Asking people to have the required samples and vocals in 4 days time is asking far too much as they're doing this out the goodness of their heart! There is also a couple of members who I think will also want to take part who perhaps haven't seen this yet.

I'll confirm all this in a day or two and tie everything up so we can get all this set in stone.

Thanks again to Ionosphere and Treasure!
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
regarding vocals:


whoever writes/records the vocals is it gonna include a midi of a basic chord progression or is it letf to complete interpretation?

Im sweet either way its jsut when harmonies are added to the chorus is struggle to find the right key.... is that just me?



I'm the same actually, heh. I'd be there for the first week trying to get the chords right. Is there any chance of a midi for some basic pads being provided? :)
Orbit1 ^^^ surely that should just be part of the remix pack?
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
regarding vocals:


whoever writes/records the vocals is it gonna include a midi of a basic chord progression or is it letf to complete interpretation?

Im sweet either way its jsut when harmonies are added to the chorus is struggle to find the right key.... is that just me?



nope, its me too andrew haha!

i mean, i could sure do it, but it would take me a very good day, or 2.

its much easier to have a midi of the chord progressions, any one else agree with me and andrew?
Dain-Ja michael mansion: that sounds awesome, thanks!

With that said, you guys are forgetting that he asked for LYRICS - someone needs to write them.

January 1st sounds more reasonable to me, I'm still finishing a track up but it has to be done by NYE so this would be perfect. How long do we get? 2 months?

I don't think it should be a rush, I'm ****ing busy :P

As for the sample pack...come on Orbit1, sort us :D
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
why dont we just all try to remix one song, its much easier, we can judge on who produced the song the best?



I feel this is the best way to go.

quote:

and JD, you reckon your in?



tbh I'd like to hear the song first.
bulby_g Ionosphere and Treasure are already, very kindly, taking care of the vocals. Thanks very much for the offer though Michael! Perhaps you would be interested in getting something sorted for the next one though, if we have any writers here that can present something good? It would be nice if we could make these comps a regular thing!

It would be good if the chord midi could be part of the sample pack, yes.

Looks like Hard2Get is sorting the other samples... Still awaiting confirmation though.
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
why dont we just all try to remix one song, its much easier, we can judge on who produced the song the best?



I feel this is the best way to go.

quote:

and JD, you reckon your in?



tbh I'd like to hear the song first.



good on ya mate, never cease to amaze me JD :D
watch out people you have a talented columbian engineer here :D:D


as for other shit
@ dain-ja, yeah well that date is fine for me, i really dont mind, and im probably guessing everyone else wont mind about when the time is.. its just getting the right time for busy people like you.

what about getting matt to do them. hehe :)
XtarsiA Just supply the following:

Vocals
Percussion/Kick
Midi of the Vocal melody
Thats it.

Make what ever you want from it :)

For me at least it'll just be purely about fun/taking part, and seeing everyones different ideas and variations. That will be the most interesting part :)

Not everyone has an array of hardware and software, or expertise needed to create something 'mind-blowingly perfect'

Creativity is where its at, so personally id like to see as few limitations on what can be done as possible.

I'd encourage everyone to take part too, A totally unique idea, no matter how badly 'engineered' can still shine ;) (thats what im hoping anyways lol!)
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Ionosphere and Treasure are already, very kindly, taking care of the vocals. Thanks very much for the offer though Michael! Perhaps you would be interested in getting something sorted for the next one though, if we have any writers here that can present something good? It would be nice if we could make these comps a regular thing!

It would be good if the chord midi could be part of the sample pack, yes.

Looks like Hard2Get is sorting the other samples... Still awaiting confirmation though.



Oh, awesome!
Thanks Ionosphere (and Treasure) for the generosity (and yeah, thanks to michael for the offer!)

I guess this will really be a 100% happyhardcore.com member produced tune :D


As for the sample pack...*Someone* needs to do it. I don't feel comfortable doing it because I'm guilty of using similar sounds (tried, tested and true) too often.

Since Sam was insiting on being limited to one I assumed he could put it together...Or we could hassle Hattrixx :P?
michael_mansion ::UPDATE::

I probably will not need anyone to write lyrics now, as I had some luck this morning with an idea that's progressing quite well. Of course I will have the basic midi structure laid out so everyone can jump on it.

So January 1st as a start date? That sounds good to me if everyone else agrees. That should allow plenty of time for someone to get a sample pack together. However, I personally believe that a sample pack limits creativity if producers are required to stay within a specific range of sounds/samples.

I should have the song recorded by the end of this week.
Peace

::EDIT::

Oh so the vocals are already being recorded! Cool. Just let me know if you need me back.
Peace
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
So January 1st as a start date? That sounds good to me if everyone else agrees. That should allow plenty of time for someone to get a sample pack together. However, I personally believe that a sample pack limits creativity if producers are required to stay within a specific range of sounds/samples.



yeah...I sortof agree but I think it'll be a fun challenge anyways
...and considering we can use any synths we want the possibilities are endless

and I assume we're allowed editing the samples before use so...
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:


As for the sample pack...*Someone* needs to do it. I don't feel comfortable doing it because I'm guilty of using similar sounds (tried, tested and true) too often.

Since Sam was insiting on being limited to one I assumed he could put it together...Or we could hassle Hattrixx :P?



I feel a sample pack would be needed if we were to be working on a track that used both the vocals and samples already.the samples, in this sense, work sort of as a trademark aspect of the song.but since I sense the competitors versions would be the first takes on the track the samples are then somewhat pointless and limiting.
bulby_g OK... I want a vote from anyone who's interested on having a sample pack. :) That will be the fair way to go. I'll update this post as the votes come in.

Personally I don't want one but I'm not fussed.

For - 1

Against - 3
ruroken For.
Ionosphere Against.

....and other people's vocals wouldn't be a bad idea, rather than just ours. Give the entrants a bit more choice?
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
Against.

....and other people's vocals wouldn't be a bad idea, rather than just ours. Give the entrants a bit more choice?




You think? Do you not think the average listener might just vote for the vocals they like though?
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
[quote]Originally posted by Ionosphere:

You think? Do you not think the average listener might just vote for the vocals they like though?




....ah, 'average listeners'.

I keep forgetting about those.

We just don't want to hog anything, that's all.
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
Against.

....and other people's vocals wouldn't be a bad idea, rather than just ours. Give the entrants a bit more choice?




You think? Do you not think the average listener might just vote for the vocals they like though?



Against.

as for the optional vocals I say no as well.Like someone said... "Freedom within the limitations".
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
[quote]Originally posted by Ionosphere:

You think? Do you not think the average listener might just vote for the vocals they like though?




....ah, 'average listeners'.

I keep forgetting about those.

We just don't want to hog anything, that's all.



Not at all mate. :)

If other people are interested in doing vocals hopefully we can make this a regular thing. Would be good for the forum.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
::UPDATE::

I probably will not need anyone to write lyrics now, as I had some luck this morning with an idea that's progressing quite well. Of course I will have the basic midi structure laid out so everyone can jump on it.

So January 1st as a start date? That sounds good to me if everyone else agrees. That should allow plenty of time for someone to get a sample pack together. However, I personally believe that a sample pack limits creativity if producers are required to stay within a specific range of sounds/samples.

I should have the song recorded by the end of this week.
Peace

::EDIT::

Oh so the vocals are already being recorded! Cool. Just let me know if you need me back.
Peace



I couldn't agree more on the sample pack thing, however i think it's a good idea to supply them so that everyone is at least at the same level with samples, but not limited to those samples :)

bulby_g So have a pack of decent samples but they don't have to be used? That sounds fair.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
So have a pack of decent samples but they don't have to be used? That sounds fair.



Exactly, so then if people need them then they are there but if they don't then of course, there is no need to use them.
michael_mansion Ok,

So it seems like people are against having the choice of vocal packs to pick from, due to the fact that this could screw with final evaluations of remixes...

But...since the start time for this comp is not until Jan 1st...would anybody be opposed to voting on what vocals are better for the comp (about a week b4 the competition starts)???
novaboy i think there should be a sample pack ...
... its a good way to measure production creativity,just make sure its not too small.

a midi would be great, but i could still find progressions and key without, but it would save alot of time, it hink the midi is a great idea.
redwingz im against sample packs. if we are all using the same lyrics then we shud get to choose or own sounds, rather than every1 using the same pack and same lyrics
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
im against sample packs. if we are all using the same lyrics then we shud get to choose or own sounds, rather than every1 using the same pack and same lyrics



i dont mean having synths, basses, pads, fx , whatever in the sample packs

just meaning drums and perc,break loops which we can utilise ourselves.
ruroken I like the idea of getting a sample pack but not being limited to that. It's a place to start from at the very least. And I wouldn't mind voting on vocals before the production starts.
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by ruroken:
I like the idea of getting a sample pack but not being limited to that. It's a place to start from at the very least. And I wouldn't mind voting on vocals before the production starts.



yeah i wont mind if we dont use one
just suggesting a simple option.
Jax i wont be taking part but i think it would be better for everyone to use the same vocals and make the rest up themselves from there. if midi's and sample packs are supplied for those that need them that could help get more people involved but i think it would help creativity if people were allowed to use anything they wanted apart from the vocals

michael_mansion OK,

So the consensus is...there will be a sample pack of some kind to be supplied the night b4 the competition. Novice producers will benefit from having good quality sounds at their fingertips, while more-experienced producers can venture off and use their own. That sounds fair if you ask me....Somebody will put together a remix pack by New Year's Eve.

...You can bet on that. We got time. No worries.

Back to Vocals...does anyone object to having a ballot to vote on two separate vocal packs a week b4 the competition starts? This would provide more freedom in deciding what song the majority of people on here decide is best for the competition.

-Mike





Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:

But...since the start time for this comp is not until Jan 1st...would anybody be opposed to voting on what vocals are better for the comp (about a week b4 the competition starts)???




That's not a bad idea because what if everyone thinks that the vocals we're doing are

a load of old pants? ....?

and also,

what a waste of time it will have been doing them in the first place....?

That's why I reckon that all those that can do the vocals should offer them and let people choose the one's they want.
michael_mansion
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:

But...since the start time for this comp is not until Jan 1st...would anybody be opposed to voting on what vocals are better for the comp (about a week b4 the competition starts)???




That's not a bad idea because what if everyone thinks that the vocals we're doing are

a load of old pants? ....?

and also,

what a waste of time it will have been doing them in the first place....?

That's why I reckon that all those that can do the vocals should offer them and let people choose the one's they want.




Yeah. So maybe a deadline of Christmas Day for the vocals is good for a week-long voting period b4 the competition starts?
Hard2Get I think people being able to use completely different vocals would take the point out of it, because there is no comparison then, and the vocals would be the basis for comparison, so without everyone using the same vocals it would be very difficult to judge. It confuses me that anyone would even think of that to begin with :P
I'm not implying that Ionosphere or Michael Mansion said this is the way it should be done by the way, but there is a few who seem to have mentioned that idea from what ive read.
ruroken
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I think people being able to use completely different vocals would take the point out of it, because there is no comparison then, and the vocals would be the basis for comparison, so without everyone using the same vocals it would be very difficult to judge. It confuses me that anyone would even think of that to begin with :P
I'm not implying that Ionosphere or Michael Mansion said this is the way it should be done by the way, but there is a few who seem to have mentioned that idea from what ive read.


The point of multiple vocals is that we make a poll on which one the competition will be based on before it starts. That way everyone will be using the same vocals but will have voted on which to use before hand.
bulby_g If those who are willing to make vocals are happy to have a vote then that's great. Should really be left up to you really as you're the people doing all the work!

Think it's best you demonstrate the vocals with other sound clips over the top or something so if yours aren't used they can't be stolen by someone?

Sounds like the sample pack but not being restricted to it is the way to go then. Who wants to sort this? Hard2Get, you OK for doing this? :)
Hard2Get Totally!
DarrenJ I will jion, cant be worse then the last track I posted on here that nite I was drunk >.>
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by DarrenJ:
I will jion, cant be worse then the last track I posted on here that nite I was drunk >.>



Nice one, added.

Hard2Get - WKD mate, thanks. Much appreciated.
Dain-Ja voting for vocals could be cool

...but it kinda sucks if people waste their time recording vocals that aren't used!
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
voting for vocals could be cool

...but it kinda sucks if people waste their time recording vocals that aren't used!




...yeh, that's one of the (overlooked) points I made earlier, we presumed that the comp' would be the same as last time.

We don't have much spare time & don't want to waste it....
bulby_g Shall we just have it the same then? It does create other problems but I mean the comp is only for fun and it saves anyone wasting their time...

Maybe we could have a vote on each track using the two different vocals and a vote overall... Or is that a bit much?
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:

Shall we just have it the same then?




Like I said, we presumed it'd be the same as the last one when we entered.

If no-one uses our vocals by choice, that's cool, but kind of a waste otherwise.
bulby_g That's fair enough then, we will just do it the same as the last one. :) It's all for fun at the end of the day aye.
Ionosphere That's cool, as long as no-one feels that we're putting their arms up their backs....?


CorDharel Hey of course I would also be interested. Now that I finally got active monitors
Hard2Get bulby g, it is indeed about fun, so the one vocal is absolutely fine regardless of how much people like them, it really doesn't matter!
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:

....so the one vocal is absolutely fine....




....cheers Matt. Now I'm totally confused.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:

....so the one vocal is absolutely fine....




....cheers Matt. Now I'm totally confused.




Yeah that will happen!
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:

Yeah that will happen!




....you're absolutely right.... and more often as time goes on.
Serenity I'm definitely interested. January I'll have a break from school and finally be able to work on music again!

For future comps, I can't write lyrics at all, but if you have an idea you want an accapella for and possibly a backing track I can work a melody from, I have all the recording equipment. I can easily do covers, but for a remix competition that really isn't practical.

My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:

Yeah that will happen!




....you're absolutely right.... and more often as time goes on.



I was agreeing that just deciding on one vocal to begin with is a good choice to avoid anyone wasting their time :P
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!



In that case I think both RAW and melodyned/autotuned vocals should be provided. I really don't have the knowledge, motivation or time to autotune vocals properly myself.
michael_mansion
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!



In that case I think both RAW and melodyned/autotuned vocals should be provided. I really don't have the knowledge, motivation or time to autotune vocals properly myself.





I completely disagree. Vox should come fully tuned. Some producers do not have Melodyne and other expensive vocal tuning software, or hacking skills.

Providing RAW vocals diminishes future expectations from the producer who actually recorded the vocals, and also doesn't guarantee that the remixer will do a good job tuning them. Henceforth, the audience thinks the song is shit, when it actually isn't.
Phenex Count me in!
I agree with Serenity that using untuned vocals is the best way to show how skilled a producer really is, but if you would remix someone else's song, the vocals would come pretuned (most of the time). Also if they're pretuned, the results would be more even and the focus would be on the production of the tune, rather than the processing of the vocals.

I vote we make the song 170BPM, minimum of 4 minutes, maximum of 6/7 minutes, 128-192kbps CBR mp3.

As for voting, we should make it an anonymous poll. That is, each track will be PM'd to the competition admin, then will be uploaded under a new name (e.g. Track 05) and then people can vote in the thread which number they liked the most. This is to prevent this from being a popularity contest (and thus focusing on the music).

Re: samples, I think everyone should get high quality samples provided here and have the choice of not using them, but the vocals should be mandatory.

EDIT: Could we also get this on the front page once the voting begins?
Hashlygreen69 put me down for this one
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!



In that case I think both RAW and melodyned/autotuned vocals should be provided. I really don't have the knowledge, motivation or time to autotune vocals properly myself.





I completely disagree. Vox should come fully tuned. Some producers do not have Melodyne and other expensive vocal tuning software, or hacking skills.

Providing RAW vocals diminishes future expectations from the producer who actually recorded the vocals, and also doesn't guarantee that the remixer will do a good job tuning them. Henceforth, the audience thinks the song is shit, when it actually isn't.



fully tuned!!!
boc4j put my name down :)
Ionosphere Maybe reading the last competition's RULES that are relevant to this one will help -

quote:
Originally posted by silver:

Yeah it's a producers comp... there have been a few in the past... Indiscriminant records for one... but I still love the idea...

Ok rules for the comp:

1. The lyrics have to be written by a member of the site. Publishing rights will go to the creators of the lyrics.
2. The vocals have to be sung by a member of the site, male or female, duet or combination of different singers.
3. The Artist of the track will be the Producer's name, feat. the Singer's name.
4. The track has to be produced by a member of the site and posted only here.
5. The track can be remixed or further collaborated on by other members of the site if you post the project file.


Going forward recommend:

Start writing lyrics, make a few drafts and then post them, revise and take advice from other members.

Make a simple 140-150 BPM track that the singer can singer over and record the lyrics, the singer listens to the lyrics in their headphones
while recording the raw vocals on the mic. This does not have to sound anything like the final track, it is just so that the singer can keep time.
Post this simple track.

Producers download the vocals, time stretch to their liking and produce a track. Post your work once you get going.

This is open to anyone, pro or starters.

It's all hardcore.




....this may help to solve any confusion....


Ahah! *the penny finally drops*

Matt's point about deciding if there's only one set of vocals or not....?

We need a vote or something, soon, so that no-one wastes time over Christmas recording vocals that aren't needed.

Serenity
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!




I completely disagree. Vox should come fully tuned. Some producers do not have Melodyne and other expensive vocal tuning software, or hacking skills.

Providing RAW vocals diminishes future expectations from the producer who actually recorded the vocals, and also doesn't guarantee that the remixer will do a good job tuning them. Henceforth, the audience thinks the song is shit, when it actually isn't.



Perhaps as a solution then you could have the raw ones available in addition to pre-tuned vox? I'm also assuming that these will be dry even if they are tuned, correct? I'm sorry for asking so many questions, but I am probably the biggest perfectionist you will ever meet when it comes to intonation. Just ask Robin ... I cringe at the sound of severely detuned synths too!

Another thing you might want to do in addition to a midi of the vocal is include what key and/or chord progression it was written in, because that will help production newbies (like me, I've only ever worked with an engineer) get started with the bassline and riff.
Ojjistar Im in ! :D
michael_mansion
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!




I completely disagree. Vox should come fully tuned. Some producers do not have Melodyne and other expensive vocal tuning software, or hacking skills.

Providing RAW vocals diminishes future expectations from the producer who actually recorded the vocals, and also doesn't guarantee that the remixer will do a good job tuning them. Henceforth, the audience thinks the song is shit, when it actually isn't.



Perhaps as a solution then you could have the raw ones available in addition to pre-tuned vox? I'm also assuming that these will be dry even if they are tuned, correct? I'm sorry for asking so many questions, but I am probably the biggest perfectionist you will ever meet when it comes to intonation. Just ask Robin ... I cringe at the sound of severely detuned synths too!

Another thing you might want to do in addition to a midi of the vocal is include what key and/or chord progression it was written in, because that will help production newbies (like me, I've only ever worked with an engineer) get started with the bassline and riff.



Why post raw vocals at all? The vox should be dry and fully-tuned. They shouldn't be eq'd either. Everybody should be using the exact same set of vocals.

Just my opinion.
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!




I completely disagree. Vox should come fully tuned. Some producers do not have Melodyne and other expensive vocal tuning software, or hacking skills.

Providing RAW vocals diminishes future expectations from the producer who actually recorded the vocals, and also doesn't guarantee that the remixer will do a good job tuning them. Henceforth, the audience thinks the song is shit, when it actually isn't.



Perhaps as a solution then you could have the raw ones available in addition to pre-tuned vox? I'm also assuming that these will be dry even if they are tuned, correct? I'm sorry for asking so many questions, but I am probably the biggest perfectionist you will ever meet when it comes to intonation. Just ask Robin ... I cringe at the sound of severely detuned synths too!

Another thing you might want to do in addition to a midi of the vocal is include what key and/or chord progression it was written in, because that will help production newbies (like me, I've only ever worked with an engineer) get started with the bassline and riff.



Why post raw vocals at all? The vox should be dry and fully-tuned. They shouldn't be eq'd either. Everybody should be using the exact same set of vocals.

Just my opinion.



well no, absolutely everyone should agree with what michael said.
to be honest, anyone who doesnt is being un fair to the majority..

Vocals : same as everyone. Not eq'ed or mucked with. But dry, single layer, full tuned.
Thats absolutely perfect.
djkierans Sounds good i will have a go at this.
Dain-Ja yay, I'm not the only one that doesn't want untuned vocals :D
Ruffage
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
Why post raw vocals at all? The vox should be dry and fully-tuned. They shouldn't be eq'd either. Everybody should be using the exact same set of vocals.

Just my opinion.



Why must the vocals come tuned? Who's to say that whoever would be tuning them is doing it properly? Vocal editing/processing/mixing is a key element of production, and something that's severely lacking among the vast majority of hardcore producers. For people who are used to being lazy and dropping a pre-processed accapella into their tracks, they'd have two months to figure it out :)

If it were a remix, I could understand a more polished vocal being provided, but this is a production competition (so the name says anyway), so I think raw/bare bones is the way to go. But that's just me :D

Ruffage
michael_mansion
quote:
Originally posted by Ruffage:
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
Why post raw vocals at all? The vox should be dry and fully-tuned. They shouldn't be eq'd either. Everybody should be using the exact same set of vocals.

Just my opinion.



Why must the vocals come tuned? Who's to say that whoever would be tuning them is doing it properly? Vocal editing/processing/mixing is a key element of production, and something that's severely lacking among the vast majority of hardcore producers. For people who are used to being lazy and dropping a pre-processed accapella into their tracks, they'd have two months to figure it out :)

If it were a remix, I could understand a more polished vocal being provided, but this is a production competition (so the name says anyway), so I think raw/bare bones is the way to go. But that's just me :D

Ruffage



I must say, Ruffage...you have a good point. There's something I have completely missed in this discussion:

Since this is a "Production Competition" every producer should be free to do anything he wants, even if that means recording his own vox and presenting any song he wants. (which I am in favor of, quite frankly)

So, the entrants into this competition should be required to do everything: songwriting, recording, producing, engineering, etc...now that's a production competition!!

If this were a "Remix Competition" (which it apparently isn't), then the vox should be provided fully-tuned and dry, ready to be placed in a mix.

So since this is a Production Competition, I think we should all just come armored with our own tracks. May the best track win!

This is just my opinion, by the way. Nothing serious.

-Mike
No Left Turn Sure, count me in!
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
quote:
Originally posted by Ruffage:
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
Why post raw vocals at all? The vox should be dry and fully-tuned. They shouldn't be eq'd either. Everybody should be using the exact same set of vocals.

Just my opinion.



Why must the vocals come tuned? Who's to say that whoever would be tuning them is doing it properly? Vocal editing/processing/mixing is a key element of production, and something that's severely lacking among the vast majority of hardcore producers. For people who are used to being lazy and dropping a pre-processed accapella into their tracks, they'd have two months to figure it out :)

If it were a remix, I could understand a more polished vocal being provided, but this is a production competition (so the name says anyway), so I think raw/bare bones is the way to go. But that's just me :D

Ruffage



I must say, Ruffage...you have a good point. There's something I have completely missed in this discussion:

Since this is a "Production Competition" every producer should be free to do anything he wants, even if that means recording his own vox and presenting any song he wants. (which I am in favor of, quite frankly)

So, the entrants into this competition should be required to do everything: songwriting, recording, producing, engineering, etc...now that's a production competition!!

If this were a "Remix Competition" (which it apparently isn't), then the vox should be provided fully-tuned and dry, ready to be placed in a mix.

So since this is a Production Competition, I think we should all just come armored with our own tracks. May the best track win!

This is just my opinion, by the way. Nothing serious.

-Mike



I think we're going around in circles.
a 12 page thread(so far!) just to get the rules down?
hmmm.
Phenex Yeah, Ruffage and Michael Mansion both make a lot of sense. I change my vote to untuned vocals :D
Hard2Get Cakes!
Shades I'm in...... if you can sort the rules out in time lol
Serenity I'm sure this will all be sorted when the final rules are posted. I just wanted to let the organizer know what I would be interested in seeing with the sample pack! Another thought I had is that perhaps having a 3rd party edit the vocals before they're posted would help guarantee that both sets have a similar sound. That could be even better, since mic's, preamps, recording spaces, cabling, etc all influence the sound of a recording. (*looking in the direction of Ruffage*)

These are just ideas. I'm looking forward to this, and many thanks to ionosphere, treasure, and michael for providing vocals!
Dain-Ja if the vocals are untuned, I'm out

I don't have melodyne and I honestly have no idea how to use it
djepi Count me in. Can you PM me with the details when it starts? Ta.!
Mansy hey there, im up for this comp, can you please put my name down for it and pm me the details when its open, thanks very much

Mansy!!!
Shades nice to see some HP users on the case
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by No Left Turn:
Sure, count me in!



yo never knew you had a hhc.com account.
Future_Shock I very much disagree that everyone should be allowed to go and write and record whatever vocals they want with whoever though. Theres more than just production to do with getting you're own vocals done. That comes down more to who has the money and contacts tog et that done. Considering as there are a fair few people participating who are still at school, how is it fair that they have to find a way to pay for vocals?

Also why should any of this come down to spending money? I thought this was meant to be ' a bit of fun' and i think people are taking it a bit too seriously.

If someone doesnt have melodyne, thats hardly a reason for them to be disqualified from the contest consdiering its meant to be for people at ANY stage of production - how is it fair to include an equipment list to it then?

I frankly think its ******** that this is meant to be open for EVERYONE at ANY stage of production - and people are trying to get advantages over each other. No, just because YOU can get vocals done easily michael, does not mean thats fair. There are heaps of people here who dont have the contacts or money to - the actual singing and lyrics affect how good a song is GREATLY so why should you have an advantage when the singing aspect has nothing to do with production?

Everyone gets the same vocals, dry and a copy of pretuned and untuned so if you dont like the way its tuned you can do it yourself. Theres still a WHOLE lot more processing that needs to be done to vocals after tuning - that falls a lot better into the category of 'production'.

Everyone stop trying to get ahead of each other and realise that regardless of what level you're at - there are certain people who are just beginning production so why should they be at an automatic disadvantage? if it was a fair competition, the beginners would get an advantage.

/end rant.

michael_mansion
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
I very much disagree that everyone should be allowed to go and write and record whatever vocals they want with whoever though. Theres more than just production to do with getting you're own vocals done. That comes down more to who has the money and contacts tog et that done. Considering as there are a fair few people participating who are still at school, how is it fair that they have to find a way to pay for vocals?

Also why should any of this come down to spending money? I thought this was meant to be ' a bit of fun' and i think people are taking it a bit too seriously.

If someone doesnt have melodyne, thats hardly a reason for them to be disqualified from the contest consdiering its meant to be for people at ANY stage of production - how is it fair to include an equipment list to it then?

I frankly think its ******** that this is meant to be open for EVERYONE at ANY stage of production - and people are trying to get advantages over each other. No, just because YOU can get vocals done easily michael, does not mean thats fair. There are heaps of people here who dont have the contacts or money to - the actual singing and lyrics affect how good a song is GREATLY so why should you have an advantage when the singing aspect has nothing to do with production?

Everyone gets the same vocals, dry and a copy of pretuned and untuned so if you dont like the way its tuned you can do it yourself. Theres still a WHOLE lot more processing that needs to be done to vocals after tuning - that falls a lot better into the category of 'production'.

Everyone stop trying to get ahead of each other and realise that regardless of what level you're at - there are certain people who are just beginning production so why should they be at an automatic disadvantage? if it was a fair competition, the beginners would get an advantage.

/end rant.





The whole idea of people recording their own tracks...to me, that's just an idea that makes more sense in this context because this is a full-fledged production contest, not a remix contest.

I think if people on this board are asking for someone to do vocals, the person who records them should get compensated in some way, no matter how many connections they may or may not have.

I don't think anyone should be disqualified from participating in this contest just because they have limited software. In fact, less software is better!

I'm actually starting to like this idea of entrants getting two sets of vocals...intermediate producers can get acquainted with the vocal tuning aspect of production.
Hard2Get
quote:
very much disagree that everyone should be allowed to go and write and record whatever vocals they want with whoever though.

What would be the point of that? Everyone does that all the time, the whole point here is that everyone uses the same so that there is some basis for comparison, thus making it a competition.

On a side note, it makes me laugh that tuned vocals is a standard that people have come to expect, whatever happened to singing properly to begin with?:P Auto-tuned vocals will never sound as good as plain good vocals to begin with!
kuruption count me in!
Future_Shock lol that was my point matt - that it is pointless. Notice i said i DISAGREED with it ;)


Anyway michael i think a remix competition tests out ones own production capabilities better than their own track anyway. It broadens the amount of options you have musically, and also throws you in the deep end because you know nothing about the vocals, havent written them yourself so you have no idea how they SHOULD be conveyed apart from how you interperet them.

If you wanna get down to technicalities then fine its a remix competition... but it DOES test your production so why isnt it a production competition? If you had to write your own track and own vocals id call that a composition contest not a production contest.

On a side note, this better handle entries better than the last HP contest. like 20 people entered, 4 people actually uploaded a track and 2 months after the deadline a winner wasnt decided and i just didnt bother uploading my track anymore.
luminate lol i couldnt produce a well engineered track to save my life, but i'm definately keen to have a go! :D
i like the idea of there being a sample back, but not being restricted to it, and i agree that the vocals should be dry but tuned in the interest of keeping the competition fair for newbies.

all in all, really excited :D
Shades so....
sample pack to use or not to use....
2 sets of vocals to choose from, both tuned & untuned....


what else is there to argue about....... ????
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
so....
sample pack to use or not to use....
2 sets of vocals to choose from, both tuned & untuned....


what else is there to argue about....... ????



well not every one has replied and given their 2 cents.
but we seriously have to get shit going, 14 pages of chit-chat.
i really do think someone has to compile a sample pack ( i cant i have bad samples, so it woulnt be fair ), a sample pack will test creativity, but making sure the sample pack is too small.

im not really sure about the vocals, yet, we probably have to wait to see what everyone else thinks because its a main part of the comp and if we dont get guys agreeing we will have a gay problem.

bulby_g I think it might solve time and arguments if we were to just stick to the old rules...

Rules for the comp:

1. The lyrics have to be written by a member of the site. Publishing rights will goto the creators of the lyrics.
2. The vocals have to be sung by a member of the site, male or female, duet or combination of different singers.
3. The artist of the track will be the producers name, feat. the singers name.
4. The track has to be produced by a member of the site and posted only here.
5. The track can be remixed or further colibrated on by other members of the site if you post the project file.
6. You have 2 months.
7. The winner will be voted by the members of the site.

Here is the link again to the first comp, should answer any questions. http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19583

Anyone have a problem with this?

To those asking for PM's to let them know when it starts... It starts on 1st of Jan.

DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
[quote]whatever happened to singing properly to begin with?:P Auto-tuned vocals will never sound as good as plain good vocals to begin with!



THANK YOU!!
I was starting to think all the members here had finally lost it!
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
I think it might solve time and arguments if we were to just stick to the old rules...

Rules for the comp:

1. The lyrics have to be written by a member of the site. Publishing rights will goto the creators of the lyrics.
2. The vocals have to be sung by a member of the site, male or female, duet or combination of different singers.
3. The artist of the track will be the producers name, feat. the singers name.
4. The track has to be produced by a member of the site and posted only here.
5. The track can be remixed or further colibrated on by other members of the site if you post the project file.
6. You have 2 months.
7. The winner will be voted by the members of the site.

Here is the link again to the first comp, should answer any questions. http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19583

Anyone have a problem with this?

To those asking for PM's to let them know when it starts... It starts on 1st of Jan.





Spot on to be honest, with the addition of a sample pack this time though if anyone wants it! I think that pretty much sums up what everyone wants.
silver Tuned... untuned... find a singer than can sing and doesn't need to be tuned :p
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
Tuned... untuned... find a singer than can sing and doesn't need to be tuned :p



Easy to say, nearly impossible to do (within budgetary constraints)
:P
Bondy Sign me up!

Bondy
Serenity Even the best vocalists can have an off day. Software can't fix everything, and if used too much it turns a vocal to crap, but it can fix the tiny slips without being too obvious. Pop music (top 40) as it is today wouldn't exist without software to make the artists sounds good!

And I like the rules posted. :) They're pretty broad and will allow people to do just about anything.

Please add me to the list of people insterested!
enVias I'm interested :)
Phenex Okay, just to get this straight. The rules now say:
1. The lyrics have to be written by a member of the site. Publishing rights will goto the creators of the lyrics.
2. The vocals have to be sung by a member of the site, male or female, duet or combination of different singers.

Does that mean that everyone has to have their own vocalist? I think this might be putting a lot of people off. Also the rule that states "there will be a sample pack available but you will not be restricted to using it" is pretty confusing.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
Pop music (top 40) as it is today wouldn't exist without software to make the artists sounds good!



That is unfortunately the case yes! As most of it is terrible :P
Dj Mikk Sounds like an Idea, ill defo be up for adding a track in... Still a bit confused myself with the rulz etc but im sure ill work it out for the starting date!

:)
Hard2Get
quote:
Does that mean that everyone has to have their own vocalist? I think this might be putting a lot of people off. Also the rule that states "there will be a sample pack available but you will not be restricted to using it" is pretty confusing.

LOL i don't know how you managed to get so confused :P The vocal thing means that there is one vocal that everyone uses, and it is written and sung by a member of this site. The same thing means that there is a sample pack available for those who want or need it, but do not have to be limited to that, everyone can use whatever samples they like :P
Phenex
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Does that mean that everyone has to have their own vocalist? I think this might be putting a lot of people off. Also the rule that states "there will be a sample pack available but you will not be restricted to using it" is pretty confusing.

LOL i don't know how you managed to get so confused :P The vocal thing means that there is one vocal that everyone uses, and it is written and sung by a member of this site. The same thing means that there is a sample pack available for those who want or need it, but do not have to be limited to that, everyone can use whatever samples they like :P



That definitely shouldn't be part of the rules though. It should just say "Vocals will be provided," cause I talked to 5 people on MSN who were all confused about that. Most of them said "I don't have a vocalist"
urban atmosphere I'd be interested....does the winner get the release signed and out on vinyl? See last comp i entered...i won but was disqualified as i posted it on another site (didn't know you weren't allowed) then Silver offered me a contract afterwards.....3 years down the line and STILL the tune i am signed with is still UNRELEASED! But yea i'll put in for the comp... :^)
Hard2Get Purely for fun this time old chap.
Shades
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
The vocal thing means that there is one vocal that everyone uses, and it is written and sung by a member of this site.


i thought there were two sets of vocal's & we got to choose which one we used ????
Hard2Get Lol, read the last page or 2 :P
Shades so..... one sample pack inc vocals but the vocals must be used WITHOUT any other vocals yeah ?

if so i'm in
Shades
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
1. The lyrics have to be written by a member of the site. Publishing rights will goto the creators of the lyrics.
2. The vocals have to be sung by a member of the site, male or female, duet or combination of different singers.




Phenex is correct, these rules don't apply to the producers.....

'sample pack will be posted or pm'ed, one set of vocals will be included & must be used with no others' would be fine
bulby_g If you look at the link to the last comp' it should answer any of your questions.

Anyone can record vocals but they must be made available to the other entrants to be used in the comp'.

- people signing up. I'll add you to the list. :)
Ionosphere We've written the vocals but haven't recorded them yet.

Yes, it's a lot of work and yes the vocals will be 'tuned' because Treasure, our singer, sings in tune.

....and we're not asking for 'compensation', 'cos it's just for fun.

If our vocals are used and if, as a result of this competition, a track is signed for release that uses our vocals,
then we have the publishing rights to those vocals. If not it doesn't matter.

It's just a bit of fun.
bulby_g

Is it OK to supply a midi of either some basic pads or the notes the vocals hit?
Ionosphere imo that's wiping people's arses for them but OK, it's easy enough.
bulby_g Haha, well it's up to you :).
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
imo that's wiping people's arses for them




LOL yeah i definately agree (not to dissagree with you Bulby) :P In any case the idea is for people to write their own music is it not? Their own interpretation. At least that is how i see it.
bulby_g Yeah, that's fair enough. Just thought it would be a help to those of us that aren't that experienced. Guess there is plenty time for everyone to work it out though. :)
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
imo that's wiping people's arses for them




LOL yeah i definately agree (not to dissagree with you Bulby) :P In any case the idea is for people to write their own music is it not? Their own interpretation. At least that is how i see it.



Well, it's not necessary but it wouldn't hurt to give the noobs a chance - I'm pretty sure all the more advanced producers won't stick to the given bassline/pads anyways
Future_Shock i always like to have my own interpretation of anything musical so even given the midi i wont use it, but its interesting to see what it was recorded for, and the difference between that and you're own interpretation.... if its different at all.
tommy_renegade
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Please let us know if you're interested in taking part. Doesn't mater what level you're at, it's just a bit of fun. :)

-Rules are still being sorted.

-The competition will be starting January 1st 2008, tracks must be handed in by February 29th 2008.

Rules for the comp:

1. The lyrics have to be written by a member of the site. Publishing rights will goto the creators of the lyrics.
2. The vocals have to be sung by a member of the site, male or female, duet or combination of different singers.
3. The artist of the track will be the producers name, feat. the singers name.
4. The track has to be produced by a member of the site and posted only here.
5. The track can be remixed or further colibrated on by other members of the site if you post the project file.
6. You have 2 months.
7. The winner will be voted by the members of the site.

This time there will be a sample pack available but you will not be restricted to using it.

Here is the link again to the first comp, should answer any questions. http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19583

People interested so far:-

95_was_the_time
Angel Projekt
Audio X
Bondy
Bulby_G
CorDharel
Dain-Ja
DarrenJ
Deano
DJepi
DJkierans
DJMikk
DJScorch
Eddiewould
EnVias
Hard2Get
Hashlygreen69
Influx
Ionosphere
Luminate
Mansy
Michael_mansion
Mortis
No Left Turn
Novaboy
Ojjistar
Phenex
Pope C XXIII
Redwingz
Roundhead711
Ruroken
Serenity
Tommy_renegade
Urban Atmosphere
XtarsiA





excellent :) roll on NYD
boc4j Can you add me to the list please
novaboy why get anything electronic in a sample pack? thats silly!
i think just percussion in sample pack (if theres going to be one)
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
(if theres going to be one)


There is, i'm making it. Though the vocals and anything melodic have nothing to do with me.
bulby_g It will just be drum samples and vocals being made available.

boc4j - Added. :)
bulby_g Just had a thought... We're going to need some hosting on the tracks for those that don't have an FTP. I suggest people don't use upload sites as voters might not bother listening to their tracks as they can be a pain in the arse!

Can anyone on here help out on this or shall I try and sort something?
Dain-Ja I have plenty of space and bandwidth to donate
Pope C XXIII
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Just had a thought... We're going to need some hosting on the tracks for those that don't have an FTP. I suggest people don't use upload sites as voters might not bother listening to their tracks as they can be a pain in the arse!

Can anyone on here help out on this or shall I try and sort something?



There's always filefront. Free accounts + infinite bandwidth + infinite hosting time.
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Just had a thought... We're going to need some hosting on the tracks for those that don't have an FTP. I suggest people don't use upload sites as voters might not bother listening to their tracks as they can be a pain in the arse!

Can anyone on here help out on this or shall I try and sort something?



There's always filefront. Free accounts + infinite bandwidth + infinite hosting time.




that's just annoying

I'll make an ftp account for the competition

I can give a 2 gig quota to start, unlimited bandwidth
...that should be enough room for like 75 full quality tracks and my host is blazing fast
bulby_g Nice one Dain-Ja. :)
Future_Shock Got my TR8's today.


Roll on the comp!
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
Got my TR8's today.




WKD mate, can't wait to hear what you start knocking out with those!

I've got my new house but can't get the soundproofing in the studio till the new year :(. Buggerz. Is gonna be so sweet when it's all sorted though
Phenex I can't remember if this was covered, but will the voting be on the front page?
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
Got my TR8's today.


Roll on the comp!



well, my 100 dollar speakers will p00n yours andrew!
Pope C XXIII
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Just had a thought... We're going to need some hosting on the tracks for those that don't have an FTP. I suggest people don't use upload sites as voters might not bother listening to their tracks as they can be a pain in the arse!

Can anyone on here help out on this or shall I try and sort something?



There's always filefront. Free accounts + infinite bandwidth + infinite hosting time.




that's just annoying

I'll make an ftp account for the competition

I can give a 2 gig quota to start, unlimited bandwidth
...that should be enough room for like 75 full quality tracks and my host is blazing fast



What's annoying about it?
Hotchkiss Any space? if so shuv Hotchkiss down for it :D
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Hotchkiss:
Any space? if so shuv Hotchkiss down for it :D



Most certainly :P
bulby_g Indeed.
nrXic I'm down.

I do think there has to be something in common with all entries. Whether that's a samplepack, or a vocal, you guys can decide and I'm good either way.

One common denominator is required for any competition.

Heck, if you limited it to one VST and one VST only for the whole song, I'd be down for that too.

As far as untuned vocals go, I'm open to that, though I have no knowledge in regards to how to tune it other than manually chopping up the wave and playing it slightly faster/slower to get them on note. So I think it could be a great learning experience for me. On the other hand, I produce with a ghetto setup (tracker, basically), and I don't own programs like Antares Altotune (or whatever it's called). I do think it would be unfair if wealthier producers had an automatic advantage in that regard. Some people here have studio monitors and such, that's an advantage in an of itself, isn't it? I'm not saying it's a bad thing or those people should be disqualified, don't get me wrong, in fact monitors are something every producer really needs and the few of us making songs without them should probably get them asap. I'm just saying that putting extra burdens such as untuned vocals that require hundred dollar software to help fix, would be unfair. Unless there are low-tech/low-expense ways of tuning them, I think it would be unfair. If not, I think it's a great learning experience and I'm sure there will be a lot of guidance from fellow producers as far as how to tackle it.

michael_mansion
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
We've written the vocals but haven't recorded them yet.

Yes, it's a lot of work and yes the vocals will be 'tuned' because Treasure, our singer, sings in tune.

....and we're not asking for 'compensation', 'cos it's just for fun.

If our vocals are used and if, as a result of this competition, a track is signed for release that uses our vocals,
then we have the publishing rights to those vocals. If not it doesn't matter.

It's just a bit of fun.




No singer (not even the best singers) sing naturally in tune., unless your standards are low. No offense, I know what you mean. Some singers sing more in tune than others, but achieving perfect tune is nearly impossible, although most audiences will not hear the difference.
drivebye so you think that most vocals in songs are tuned?
i doubt that very much, i imagine most singers can sing in key with the backing and most singers can sing to the standard where its acceptable for release, with out touching a vocal tuner.

if not then i should hope the singer gives up.

vocals can be overdubbed again and again to fix small errors in vocal takes. this is the way i would produce a record, not using any old take and correcting it with tuners.
michael_mansion
quote:
Originally posted by drivebye:
so you think that most vocals in songs are tuned?
i doubt that very much, i imagine most singers can sing in key with the backing and most singers can sing to the standard where its acceptable for release, with out touching a vocal tuner.

if not then i should hope the singer gives up.

vocals can be overdubbed again and again to fix small errors in vocal takes. this is the way i would produce a record, not using any old take and correcting it with tuners.



Well, I know that most songs sound much better when they're tuned. Once you have your first vocal session, I'm sure you will agree that tuning is quite necessary.

Getting a track to a point where it's "acceptable for release" is a subjective matter. It depends on what you're aiming for. Some people strive for perfection, some don't. And to be honest, sometimes perfection isn't necessary.

Regarding what you say about hoping "the singer gives up"...it's really quite funny you say that. Some of the best singers in the world never sing in tune. What makes them great singers is the character in their voice (inflection, accent, throat...etc), not how well they stay in tune.
Phenex
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
quote:
Originally posted by drivebye:
so you think that most vocals in songs are tuned?
i doubt that very much, i imagine most singers can sing in key with the backing and most singers can sing to the standard where its acceptable for release, with out touching a vocal tuner.

if not then i should hope the singer gives up.

vocals can be overdubbed again and again to fix small errors in vocal takes. this is the way i would produce a record, not using any old take and correcting it with tuners.



Well, I know that most songs sound much better when they're tuned. Once you have your first vocal session, I'm sure you will agree that tuning is quite necessary.

Getting a track to a point where it's "acceptable for release" is a subjective matter. It depends on what you're aiming for. Some people strive for perfection, some don't. And to be honest, sometimes perfection isn't necessary.

Regarding what you say about hoping "the singer gives up"...it's really quite funny you say that. Some of the best singers in the world never sing in tune. What makes them great singers is the character in their voice (inflection, accent, throat...etc), not how well they stay in tune.



I see someone has been doing their homework!
Michael is quite right about what he's saying and imo you should listen to him. Tuning has become the standard to the extent that almost nothing released today is untuned.
The reason most people will tune a song is because it feels stupid to waste a good take which really only has minor faults, if it sounds as good as it would when re-recorded. I mean, if you tune something and it doesn't _sound_ tuned, why would you re-take that? It's all about how it sounds. Although if it sounds tuned, then you should probably do a re-take.
drivebye ok yea, i agree with what your saying!
it seems like a bit of an easy way out.. i mean.. i would rather capture the real talent and sound of the vocals... but i suppose auto tuning cant hurt!
and yea i agree, its what you hear that counts! and no one is going to know what production techniques have been used to correct things. and the overall mix is all that counts not each recording solo.

ive yet to venture into vocal recording, so i havent had chance to experiment. but im looking forward to it!

would you say that its the same with all vocal recording, no matter what genre of music?


and to finish: out of tune vocals make me cringe (and there are a few vocals in hardcore that i think are awful!) , so what software is there that i can start to get used to and get a feel for?
Phenex Celemony Melodyne is the tool of choice for most producers for that task.
drivebye thanks.. ill give that program a go... ive got some solo vocal tracks that i can mess around with.
Paramore being one
michael_mansion
quote:
Originally posted by drivebye:
ok yea, i agree with what your saying!
it seems like a bit of an easy way out.. i mean.. i would rather capture the real talent and sound of the vocals... but i suppose auto tuning cant hurt!
and yea i agree, its what you hear that counts! and no one is going to know what production techniques have been used to correct things. and the overall mix is all that counts not each recording solo.

ive yet to venture into vocal recording, so i havent had chance to experiment. but im looking forward to it!

would you say that its the same with all vocal recording, no matter what genre of music?

and to finish: out of tune vocals make me cringe (and there are a few vocals in hardcore that i think are awful!) , so what software is there that i can start to get used to and get a feel for?



Cool man...I'm glad you see the light! Get Melodyne Studio Edition. It's well-worth the cash. If you need any help learning the program feel free to contact me. Always willing to help out Hardcore people.
drivebye cool! thats good to know! ill give it a shot and most likely come back with plenty of questions
do u have a music myspace or anything like that?
MEOWCHiX It may take two months to read this whole thread,

But you can count us in.

Our figgy pudding is 200 proof.


Phenex This is gonna be really good!
Everyone over at hardcoreproducer.org is psyched!
blizz
quote:
Originally posted by Phenex:
This is gonna be really good!
Everyone over at hardcoreproducer.org is psyched!



you know the score phenex bud :) put me down for this please alwas worth a try

Blizz
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Just had a thought... We're going to need some hosting on the tracks for those that don't have an FTP. I suggest people don't use upload sites as voters might not bother listening to their tracks as they can be a pain in the arse!

Can anyone on here help out on this or shall I try and sort something?



There's always filefront. Free accounts + infinite bandwidth + infinite hosting time.




that's just annoying

I'll make an ftp account for the competition

I can give a 2 gig quota to start, unlimited bandwidth
...that should be enough room for like 75 full quality tracks and my host is blazing fast



What's annoying about it?



1) it's not a direct link to a file (more steps mean less downloads)
2) you can't take the link down whenever you want
3) it's slower
4) it might get shut down halfway through the contest, get ads, limited # of downloads (like other file host services have done)
5) why would you use a file hosting service when you have a free high speed host you can use?
Shades
quote:
Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
I'm in...... if you can sort the rules out in time lol



quote:
Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
so..... one sample pack inc vocals but the vocals must be used WITHOUT any other vocals yeah ?

if so i'm in



could someone chuck my name down please.....

nrXic If anyone is interested, I found a FREE VST effect that can deal with autotuning and the like, sheck it out here:

http://www.gvst.co.uk/gsnap.htm

I've never used pro stuff like Antares Altotune or Melodyne, so I can't say how it compares, but I'm hoping this is better than nothing (never dealt with this sorta stuff before).
Pope C XXIII
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:

1) it's not a direct link to a file (more steps mean less downloads)
2) you can't take the link down whenever you want
3) it's slower
4) it might get shut down halfway through the contest, get ads, limited # of downloads (like other file host services have done)
5) why would you use a file hosting service when you have a free high speed host you can use?



Wasn't aware of 4, knew 1-3 but I figured that wasn't that much in the abscence of a host, and to answer 5, of course a high speed host would be better, but I was just throwing suggestions out there.
Ken Masters Sounds good mate! Put me down for it! Got a track i've been working on recently that i'm sure you'll all love!
Audio X Is this happening or what?
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by Audio X:
Is this happening or what?



As far as we've heard

....it's starting on the 3rd.

No doubt the Bulbz will remember that he's forgotten to confirm this.
tommy_renegade gd stuff!
bulby_g Happy new year everyone. :)

Sorry, I spent the day in bed yesterday after a heavy new years even session :p

We will be making everything available tomorrow as that is when the first set of vocals will be ready.

As only 1 set of vocals is ready, should we start the competition and allow people to submit vocals for the next two weeks or so or just say if they're not ready it's too late?
Future_Shock ....wait what?


i thought we were all using the same vocals...?
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
....wait what?


i thought we were all using the same vocals...?



It was decided that we would just use the old rules in the end. Looks like there will only be one set of vocals anyway though ;P.
Hard2Get Well where the rules say there can be more than one set of vocals used, they blatantly suck. Anyway the samples should be put up asap so people can get on with this :P Even if there was more, no one really wants to wait for them i don't think, but of course, can still be submitted, but just not so that everyone else has to wait for them aswell.
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Well where the rules say there can be more than one set of vocals used, they blatantly suck. Anyway the samples should be put up asap so people can get on with this :P Even if there was more, no one really wants to wait for them i don't think, but of course, can still be submitted, but just not so that everyone else has to wait for them aswell.



this is not well organized. Not directed at you bulby, just not everyone contributed as much as i thought so.
btw, werent YOU doing the sample pack matt? im starting to get confused, who is doing the sample pack, IS there going to be a sample pack?, are we using it?
bulby_g Yes there is a sample pack. Matt has already done it and given me the link. The vocals will be posted tomorrow and I thought the sample pack may as well be posted the same day.

So everything will be ready tomorrow, as it now says in the thread title.

I could post the samples now... Just didn't see the point without the vocals really.

Matt, Ionosphere and Treasure have all put in a lot of time and effort on getting the stuff together for this and I can't personally thank them enough for it.

It's just a bit of fun and I'd say people have contributed a good deal of time and effort into this when I'm sure they all have more important things to be doing. Remember that some of us have other things to do, not everyone is still at school and enjoying the spare time being young offers!

I'm a bit disorganised and apologies for that but I do have a lot of much more important things going on at the mo' that need to take priority.

Anyway... Starts tomorrow and everything will be available on the front page of this topic. :)

Safe.
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Well where the rules say there can be more than one set of vocals used, they blatantly suck. Anyway the samples should be put up asap so people can get on with this :P Even if there was more, no one really wants to wait for them i don't think, but of course, can still be submitted, but just not so that everyone else has to wait for them aswell.



Yeah, people wouldn't have to wait for them. I mean just give a couple of weeks for other people to submit vocals. The vocals that are done and the sample pack from yourself should go up tomorrow so everyone can get cracking. :)
tommy_renegade quick question, who do we send the final track to???
ruroken Cool can't wait. Thanks to everyone that contributed time and effort.
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by tommy_renegade:
quick question, who do we send the final track to???



Final track needs to have a link set-up and everyone on the site votes for the track they like best. Will get a poll sorted for the voting. I guess the best thing to do will be to put the links where the poll is to save people having to flick from topic to topic and so all the non-producers see it.

Links will have to go to the person who can edit the first page on the poll I guess. :)

--Dain-Ja says he can sort hosting if you don't have a host--

quote:
Originally posted by ruroken:
Cool can't wait.



Same. :) Been looking forward to this since the last one!
Ionosphere
A big 'thank you' to Matt Hard2Get for taking the time and trouble to compile an excellent set of Drum Samples that you can get here -

http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Hard2Get/Samples.rar




and a big 'thank you' to Treasure for taking time out of her busy Christmas schedule to record the Vocals that you can get here -

http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Ionosphere-CompVOX-3.1.08.wav







....and, as we've had a 3 week head start on everyone else, by writing and recording the vocals, it's only fair that we disqualify ourselves from the competition or submit our entry 3 weeks early....?
Serenity I don't think you should be disqualified for writing the vocals! Its fair that you get the same amount of time as the rest of us imo.

Thank you!!
Pope C XXIII
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:

A big 'thank you' to Matt Hard2Get for taking the time and trouble to compile an excellent set of Drum Samples that you can get here -

http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Hard2Get/Samples.rar




and a big 'thank you' to Treasure for taking time out of her busy Christmas schedule to record the Vocals that you can get here -

http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Ionosphere-CompVOX-3.1.08.wav



Woot! Thanks! What bpm are the vocals at?
ruroken Awesome. I wouldn't mind if you guys participated at all, seeing as how you did all the work, plus it's all just for fun. Wouldn't be fair if you guys were left out.
ruroken
quote:
Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:

A big 'thank you' to Matt Hard2Get for taking the time and trouble to compile an excellent set of Drum Samples that you can get here -

http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Hard2Get/Samples.rar




and a big 'thank you' to Treasure for taking time out of her busy Christmas schedule to record the Vocals that you can get here -

http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Ionosphere-CompVOX-3.1.08.wav



Woot! Thanks! What bpm are the vocals at?




170 i believe
correct me if i'm wrong
choonland I am in the comp, where do I have to sign?
XtarsiA
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:

<snip>

....and, as we've had a 3 week head start on everyone else, by writing and recording the vocals, it's only fair that we disqualify ourselves from the competition or submit our entry 3 weeks early....?



Dude, just enter like everyone else! :p

You put the time in to make this possible, i could care less if you see it as some sort of 'advantage' personally id let it slide :)
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:

A big 'thank you' to Matt Hard2Get for taking the time and trouble to compile an excellent set of Drum Samples that you can get here -

http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Hard2Get/Samples.rar




and a big 'thank you' to Treasure for taking time out of her busy Christmas schedule to record the Vocals that you can get here -

http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Ionosphere-CompVOX-3.1.08.wav







....and, as we've had a 3 week head start on everyone else, by writing and recording the vocals, it's only fair that we disqualify ourselves from the competition or submit our entry 3 weeks early....?



WKD, can't wait to get home and listen to these. :)

I don't think it's unfair that you guys get the same amount of time as everyone else. Still going to take you just as long to write and produce the track even if you're familiar with the vocals.

I'll update the front page. :)

quote:
Originally posted by manuelf:
I am in the comp, where do I have to sign?



I've put you down. :)
Future_Shock Big up to Matt, Ionosphere and Treasure for taking the time out of busy schedules to help out with this and to ensure the bare minimum standard is of the highest quality possible.

Big thanks and Massive respect :)
dj_deano Sorry, Im pulling out. Not interested in producing vocal tracks.
Dain-Ja alright, I created an FTP account on my server for the competition
feel free to upload your completed files and host the vocals/samples if you want

server: ftp.ottawaraves.com
username: happyhardcore@ottawaraves.com
password: happyhardcore
directory you'll be uploading to: http://www.ottawaraves.com/happyhardcore


:)
bulby_g Nice one! Thanks a lot for that. :)
DJ_FunDaBounce OK, I'm in too.

btw, what's the name of the track.
I didn't know what to name it when I went to save it for the first time :P
and HHC.com rmx compo doesn't sound very inspiring.
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:

btw, what's the name of the track.




We've called it 'Classical' but left it free for each producer to name it as they see fit.


....and thanks that no-one minds us entering with a 'head start'.
Serenity I do have a question now that the comp has started. I know that sample-wise we aren't limited, but are we limited to using these vocals as far as lyrics/melody go? Or based on the rules from the previous comp if there is a collaboration w/ another hhc.com member for lyrics/vocals would that be ok for an entry as well? I'm either works for me, I was just curious since I've gotten more ideas as I've started working on this.
Hard2Get As far as creating more vocals are concerned, the general idea this time is to stick to the one set of vocals :) While the rules remain the same as with the last one (essentually) i think the idea here is for a more conventional competition, where everyone works with the same vocals/song.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
....and thanks that no-one minds us entering with a 'head start'.



I don't think anyone sees it that way! If you can go to the trouble of recording vocals then you deserve the head start anyway if there was one :P
nrXic
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
....and thanks that no-one minds us entering with a 'head start'.



I don't think anyone sees it that way! If you can go to the trouble of recording vocals then you deserve the head start anyway if there was one :P



Exactly what I was thinking.

Just double checking, the vox are at 170bpm right? Just listened to it, I'll find out once I pop 'er in BUZZ.
bulby_g Love the vocals. :)

Bondy Cool.
DJ_FunDaBounce So can somebody now tell me what the lyrics say?
It seems my british slang isn't good enough to decipher the second part of the vocals.
Treasure Sorry I must work on my diction lol Im sure the Ionosphere cru can fill you in on the wordage :)
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
So can somebody now tell me what the lyrics say?
It seems my british slang isn't good enough to decipher the second part of the vocals.




LYRICS -

You know you're....

Sexual_______Intellectual
Delectable____Respectable
Practical______Factual
Dependable___Defendable

I wish you were....

Emotional_____Devotional
Adaptable_____Compatible
Suitable______Immutable
Magical_______Classical

1.
On the bridge
Stars so bright
Universe
Across the night

2.
On the ledge
Future past
Terminus
Gone too fast

3.
Destination
Journey's end
Wish so hard
You'd be my friend

4.
Sojourn's over
Travelled far
Wish so hard
You'd be a Star.


Ionosphere
Hard2Get British slang, lol.
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
British slang, lol.



It's just the sort of despicable language you'd expect the local "hoodies" to be spouting. :P
Ken Masters Hi all, I've been told to ask permission from all competition entrants to use vocals from someone on the site. Her name is Dennean (Dephonix) & we've been working on a track over the past couple of weeks but Bulby G says I have to declare this to everyone to let me use Dennean as a vocalist at this late stage. I hope you can all understand. Cheers! Paul
Hard2Get Hmm interesting, if you started before everyone else then technically that would have to be a disqualifier i think.... not that it bothers me personally. Assuming that using any vocalist from this site is still valid in this competition, then go for it :P However do you not have to then make the vocals available to everyone?
bulby_g Yes and you would have to post the vocals in good time for others to be able to use them (as per the rules). I'd say about two weeks so people have time to use them if they wish.

Not a problem with me but only fair everyone has a say as the comp has started.
Ionosphere Yeh, we agree with Hard2Get

quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
The comp' has now started. :)

Rules for the comp:

1. The lyrics have to be written by a member of the site. Publishing rights will goto the creators of the lyrics.
2. The vocals have to be sung by a member of the site, male or female, duet or combination of different singers.
3. The artist of the track will be the producers name, feat. the singers name.
4. The track has to be produced by a member of the site and posted only here.
5. The track can be remixed or further colibrated on by other members of the site if you post the project file.
6. You have 2 months.
7. The winner will be voted by the members of the site.

This time there will be a sample pack available but you will not be restricted to using it.

Here is the link again to the first comp, should answer any questions. http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19583




So, if the Competition started on the 3rd of January 2008

and you're trying to enter a track that you've already been working on

is nothing more than trying to use this Competition to your own personal advantage....

We say no, that's not what this is about.

*edit*

and Matt's also right about putting the vocals up for everyone else to use, if they wish....

and if you do, how will everyone else know that you've started a 'New' track in line with the rules....?
bulby_g Has the track been started or just the vocals...? If the track has already been started then that wouldn't really be OK.
novaboy matt, YUR GOIN DOWWWNN
lol
Ken Masters what are you talking about, I started producing this track when the comp started! I was just wandering if we all had to use the vocals provided or use our own vocalist but if we have too share vocals then so be it, although I think it kind of defeat's the point of the comp!
ruroken Well the comp started a week ago today so "past couple weeks" probably made everyone think you started beforehand.
Future_Shock i think he did, and is now just covering up.
ruroken Haha that thought crossed my mind too. Perhaps he started when the thread was started?
Treasure I personaly think rules are rules bending them leaves you wondering what's the point of rules in the first place. lol

But im happy to go with the majority on this one.
bulby_g Hmmm. Yeah, I think it is perhaps unfair to everyone to allow it really.
djkierans Im workin on mine
Audio X Gonna be honest here... I'm not really feeling the vocals.
Pope C XXIII
quote:
Originally posted by Audio X:
Gonna be honest here... I'm not really feeling the vocals.



Same. Ah well. I'll work with them anyways.
Hard2Get Lol, well it wouldn't be much of a competition if it was made easy for you :P That's what seperates the tallented people from everyone else.
novaboy good luck matt, you are going to need it
:D:D:D:D
technoraver69 can any 1 help? wot software do i need to be able to use and mix these samples,tried a few but they dnt work?
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by technoraver69:
can any 1 help? wot software do i need to be able to use and mix these samples,tried a few but they dnt work?



FL Studio, Cubase, Reason, (Logic if you have a MAC).

I really like the vocals, different to the usual "ring around the roses, over the rainbow, flying so high" stuff. Could be suited to lots of different style tracks too.


technoraver69 k cheers m8 great help
tommy_renegade i've near finished mine LOL

this is a bit shock cos i rarely get comp remixes finished in time!
Dain-Ja I have not started

one of my studio monitors is still out for repair and I can't work in headphones
Audio X
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Lol, well it wouldn't be much of a competition if it was made easy for you :P That's what seperates the tallented people from everyone else.


Don't get me wrong. The lyrics are ace. I just don't like the singer's voice (no offense Treasure). It's not that there's anything wrong with it though. It's more an issue of timbre. No even the most talented producer in the world can change the way she sounds in that respect. Once that's recorded, it is what it is, and the fact of the matter is that I prefer a darker, more soulful voice.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Audio X:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Lol, well it wouldn't be much of a competition if it was made easy for you :P That's what seperates the tallented people from everyone else.


Don't get me wrong. The lyrics are ace. I just don't like the singer's voice (no offense Treasure). It's not that there's anything wrong with it though. It's more an issue of timbre. No even the most talented producer in the world can change the way she sounds in that respect. Once that's recorded, it is what it is, and the fact of the matter is that I prefer a darker, more soulful voice.




Ah yes but i mean working with what you have as opposed to changing it :P
Ionosphere *edit*
nrXic I'm not feeling the vocals as well, but I have no prob with the voice, but rather the implied melodies. Vocoder doesn't help much either.

To clarify, it's not my sort of thing. Not saying it's bad in it's own right, it's just hard to make a super cheese track with these sort of serious vocals.

But as someone mentioned, if there's no challange then what's the point.

As far as narcotik's vox are concerned.

I think he should be able to share it so everyone can use it, but to make things fair on his part, he has to use Ionosphere's vocals, and vice versa, as Ionosphere also had an extra week to do his track. That would probably be the fairest solution, innit? <--trying out british slang i probably failed.
ruroken But that means a weeks worth of their time has already been wasted for both of them, which is hardly fair.
BTW what is the deadline?
Hard2Get 2 months i think?
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by nrXic:
I'm not feeling the vocals as well, but I have no prob with the voice, but rather the implied melodies. Vocoder doesn't help much either.

To clarify, it's not my sort of thing. Not saying it's bad in it's own right, it's just hard to make a super cheese track with these sort of serious vocals.

But as someone mentioned, if there's no challange then what's the point.

As far as narcotik's vox are concerned.

I think he should be able to share it so everyone can use it, but to make things fair on his part, he has to use Ionosphere's vocals, and vice versa, as Ionosphere also had an extra week to do his track. That would probably be the fairest solution, innit? <--trying out british slang i probably failed.



Nah, it's not that hard. Just make the breakdown a bit more serious (easy with some pads and random sounds) and when you drop the vocals make a switch to a major chord.

We have till the last day of Feb.

novaboy me and influx have basicly nearly finished, but we are looking on improving etc.
how is everyone else going?
bulby_g Christ, you guys have too much spare time :P Are you doing a collab?

All I've done is a little melody I may or may not keep, added effects to the vocal and made all the drums and the bass.
ruroken I've still got a ways to go. Once I get back to school I'll have more time though.
bulby_g There's no way you guys could have done a vocal that would please everyone. :) There was nothing stopping people from sorting their own anyway.

Personally, I love the vocals.
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Christ, you guys have too much spare time :P Are you doing a collab?

All I've done is a little melody I may or may not keep, added effects to the vocal and made all the drums and the bass.



Yeah, me and andrew are teaming up on this one.
bulby_g Should be interesting. :) I'm waiting to hear what the mixdowns are like on his tracks now he's got his monitors!
Future_Shock hahaha theyre a LOT cleaner man... translate to everything really well. FINALLY have no more problems with kick and bass - theyre just there and stomping.

Whoever said its hard to make a cheese track our track is pretty cheesy. The vocals may sound serious but its mainly A and D notes - You can easily make a D major track out of it (what we did) which sounds ****ing happy.

I wasnt too keen on the vocals at first but after i realised JUST how many different things you can do with them i changed my mind.

bulby_g Good stuff mate, can't wait to hear some examples.

Yeah, the vocals are very flexible. Perfect for this type of comp.
BoneIDOL Only just seen this

May start it tonight as nothing on this weekend

Never know it cld be the first HC tune i finish...lol
tommy_renegade i just need to mix mine down lol
nrXic
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:

Nah, it's not that hard. Just make the breakdown a bit more serious (easy with some pads and random sounds) and when you drop the vocals make a switch to a major chord.

We have till the last day of Feb.





Actually that was the key (pun intended), I need to play the D major...I was always playing it in minor and I don't know why I was stuck in that frame of mind.

quote:
Originally posted by Influx:

Whoever said its hard to make a cheese track our track is pretty cheesy. The vocals may sound serious but its mainly A and D notes - You can easily make a D major track out of it (what we did) which sounds ****ing happy.




Yup, for some reason I was stuck in D minor...played around with a D major chord progression and it sounds fab.

Thanks for the help guys!

I'm no pro at hearing a note and figuring out what it is, so I used that free autotune VST I posted a link to earlier, to figure out what notes she was singing. So if anyone's like me and is tone-deaf to an extent, try that out I suppose.
redwingz im using FL 7, not started yet, how do i get the samples and lyrics into my FL studio? lol
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
im using FL 7, not started yet, how do i get the samples and lyrics into my FL studio? lol



you've got to be kidding lol
Hard2Get Who said the track has to be cheesey?:P Whats wrong with serious?:P
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Who said the track has to be cheesey?:P Whats wrong with serious?:P



cheesey is better than serious.
nrXic
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Who said the track has to be cheesey?:P Whats wrong with serious?:P



Serious is so 2007, get with the times mang.
redwingz
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
im using FL 7, not started yet, how do i get the samples and lyrics into my FL studio? lol



you've got to be kidding lol



am i eck kiddding, i honestly dont know
bulby_g There is two ways you can do it.

1. Drop the samples into a folder in the "packs" section of the FL directory. You can now select them in the browser on the left within FL.

2. While you have FL open, open the folder the samples are in and simply drag them onto the list that displays all the samples and synths you're using.
redwingz
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
There is two ways you can do it.

1. Drop the samples into a folder in the "packs" section of the FL directory. You can now select them in the browser on the left within FL.

2. While you have FL open, open the folder the samples are in and simply drag them onto the list that displays all the samples and synths you're using.



lol sorry i dont understand that, basically all ive done is downloaded the samples and they r saved as a file in 'my documents' but i dunno how to get them into FL
Dain-Ja rofl.
redwingz ive put the folder into the packs bit in my FL but hen i open FL nothing is there, my samples are a .RAR file, is that y?

ive got the vocals in FL, its just the samples, they dont show up
Leto
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
ive put the folder into the packs bit in my FL but hen i open FL nothing is there, my samples are a .RAR file, is that y?




Yes. Advice: learn some stuff about audio and computers (read up on wikipedia or something.) Then give production a shot.

For now though, extract the samples with WinRAR or another .rar expander.

Phenex
quote:
Originally posted by Leto:
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
ive put the folder into the packs bit in my FL but hen i open FL nothing is there, my samples are a .RAR file, is that y?




Yes. Advice: learn some stuff about audio and computers (read up on wikipedia or something.) Then give production a shot.

For now though, extract the samples with WinRAR or another .rar expander.





Hahaha! This had me in stitches!
novaboy lol you cant just give productiona shot. well it took me a while to get used to it.
redwingz well thank u for laughing at me every1 :p
novaboy production isn't something you can learn over night you know :P
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
well thank u for laughing at me every1 :p



We aren't, though anyone who is is a bastard.

Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
production isn't something you can learn over night you know :P



Gotta start somewhere!
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
well thank u for laughing at me every1 :p



We aren't, though anyone who is is a bastard.





was that directed at me.
i wasnt laughing, i was just finding it weird why you would enter a production comp if you didnt know how to produce.
Future_Shock
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
well thank u for laughing at me every1 :p



We aren't, though anyone who is is a bastard.





was that directed at me.
i wasnt laughing, i was just finding it weird why you would enter a production comp if you didnt know how to produce.



Well it WAS meant for producers of ALL skill levels. Why cant he enter? Its a good way to learn something.
Leto Yeah man, wasn't laughing at you. Although it is a good idea to read up on that stuff. It'll help you out.
Future_Shock Jackson always speaks the truth. :P
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:

well thank u for laughing at me every1 :p




Not us mate, we admire your 'Head first, in at the deep-end' attitude.
Future_Shock hahaha yeah. Well said.

Anyway update from me. Production is finsihed - just gotta change 3 notes in the vocal and im done done done. Well... we're done done done.

Apart from that, the only thing thats gonna change is random fx and crap.

Hows everyone else doin?
ruroken
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
well thank u for laughing at me every1 :p



Ha well the only thing I can laugh about is I just happened to figure that part out a few weeks ago :P

Still not sure what direction I'm going to take with the song but I'm gonna try my best to finish it by the deadline no matter how crappy it sounds.
novaboy
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
hahaha yeah. Well said.

Anyway update from me. Production is finsihed - just gotta change 3 notes in the vocal and im done done done. Well... we're done done done.

Apart from that, the only thing thats gonna change is random fx and crap.

Hows everyone else doin?



BOOYAH
INFLUX+NOVABOY-SEXUAL
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
well thank u for laughing at me every1 :p



We aren't, though anyone who is is a bastard.





was that directed at me.


Lol, it really wasn't. Why would you think that?
novaboy because i was th eonly one being a bastard. therefore, it was directed, directly at me.
bulby_g He wanted some advice he's had it now so lets leave it at that yeah :). I think it's great he's giving it a bash, surely that's what this comp is all about.

I remember asking them same questions somewhere along the way.
redwingz well people, cheers for the advicee and words of encourageement. i have now managed to extract the filees using winrar and they r in FL lol. so production can begin.

i didnt enter thinking that i would win, i entered because i fort i could learn alot by trying to produce a whole song, and also ive been supplied with great samples and great vocals so am looking forard to working with them, like sum1 said before me, you gotta start somewere and where better to start than a place where theres loads of good producers who can give advice? its basically a learning curve 4 me
novaboy what do you need to know, i can help you out best i can.
redwingz not yet mate, but im sure i will encounter a problem at some stage, but im ok at the mo.
BoneIDOL I'm having a right nightmare with this
I'm not good with vocals at all
Ken Masters How's everyone getting on then? I can't wait to hear all these tracks! There's going to be sum belters! :-)
Hard2Get I'm getting on fine, but won't be finished till the last minute :)
BoneIDOL I done two tracks on friday night what need vocals puttin in
and cleaning up abit, thing is they sound abit hardhouse like
with me only just swapping over from trying my hand at making that
djkierans Are we allowed to post samples of our work so far?
BoneIDOL Just been looking at some of your myspace's
And think i'll have to pull something out of the bag so i dont get the wooden spoon
Future_Shock i cant see why you shouldnt be allowed to...
bulby_g No but I can't see why you would want to ;p.

I've still got so much to do! Gonna take a week off next month so hopefully I'll get some decent time to work then. For now I'm only managing to get bits and pieces done.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
i cant see why you shouldnt be allowed to...



It needs to be anonymous till the voting is over so there is no biased votes :P
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
i cant see why you shouldnt be allowed to...



It needs to be anonymous till the voting is over so there is no biased votes :P



That's a good idea.
Future_Shock
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
i cant see why you shouldnt be allowed to...



It needs to be anonymous till the voting is over so there is no biased votes :P



Good point
Ken Masters Bulby, how about getting all members to post a vote for the track they like best & have a score board for everyone's vote's & let us all see how we got on although i'm obviously going to win:-p
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:
Bulby, how about getting all members to post a vote for the track they like best & have a score board for everyone's vote's & let us all see how we got on although i'm obviously going to win:-p



Lol, that's how it would already work :P
Ken Masters Just want to make sure they don't just pronounce a winner and then no-one else knows how they go on or mabey i'm a bit slow! lol
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:
Bulby, how about getting all members to post a vote for the track they like best & have a score board for everyone's vote's & let us all see how we got on although i'm obviously going to win:-p



Lol, that's how it would already work :P



Yeah, this is basically what's happening ;p

tommy_renegade do we just send the tracks to u bulby?
Synesthesia Apologies if this has been asked before, but can we add any other elements of percussion that are not from the sample pack, such as backing percussion loops?
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Apologies if this has been asked before, but can we add any other elements of percussion that are not from the sample pack, such as backing percussion loops?


You can add absolutely anything you like, the only reason that sample pack is there is for those that need it :)
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by tommy_renegade:
do we just send the tracks to u bulby?



I think the best thing to do will be for us to open a new topic with a poll and have all the tracks posted there so everyone can vote on them.
Ken Masters That sounds good Bulby. Looking forward to it!
nrXic Any progress guys? I've been trying to sketch out different possible songs.

For some reason I'm coming up with really whack stuff that I like because it's really different, but at the same time I want others to enjoy it (and vote for it :P). I fear that a track too unorthodox will make people go "whuh?" instead of "me likey". :P

One month left...
Orbit1
quote:
Any progress guys? I've been trying to sketch out different possible songs.

For some reason I'm coming up with really whack stuff that I like because it's really different, but at the same time I want others to enjoy it (and vote for it :P). I fear that a track too unorthodox will make people go "whuh?" instead of "me likey". :P

One month left...


Remember, you're going for crowd appeal here ;)
novaboy me and andrew finished ages ago.
Orbit1
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
me and andrew finished ages ago.



next time do something a touch less gay ;)
Leto
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
me and andrew finished ages ago.



next time do something a touch less gay ;)



I thought Andrew finished in you last night? :P
Orbit1
quote:
Originally posted by Leto:
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
me and andrew finished ages ago.



next time do something a touch less gay ;)



I thought Andrew finished in you last night? :P



You must have passed out, he jizzed in your eyes then squeezed out a brown terrorist on your chest and smeared it all over your nipples.

You two make a lovely couple.
novaboy LOL thats ****ING DISGUSTING!!!!
Leto HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wow, Sam, you win!
Future_Shock
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
quote:
Originally posted by Leto:
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
quote:
Originally posted by novaboy:
me and andrew finished ages ago.



next time do something a touch less gay ;)



I thought Andrew finished in you last night? :P



You must have passed out, he jizzed in your eyes then squeezed out a brown terrorist on your chest and smeared it all over your nipples.

You two make a lovely couple.



Haha sam don't press your fantasies onto other people just because its weird to have them. You're you're own person. Be proud of yourself. If you like shit on your nipples then so be it man. Whatever floats your boat ;)
bulby_g Hahaha.

Little progress for me. Planning to get most of the work done on mine in my week off next month. :)
Ken Masters Easy lads! Easy! lol
saxomad yea me to
michael_mansion When is the official due date for this contest?

I've been so focused on my own tunes I completely forgot about this one.

-Mike
Ken Masters end of feb mate. how you gettin on?
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by nrXic:
Any progress guys? I've been trying to sketch out different possible songs.

For some reason I'm coming up with really whack stuff that I like because it's really different, but at the same time I want others to enjoy it (and vote for it :P). I fear that a track too unorthodox will make people go "whuh?" instead of "me likey". :P

One month left...



Bollocks to them.
bulby_g Agreed, do what you like.

It may not get as many votes but at lest you will be happy with it. No point in producing something you don't enjoy yourself.. It's just for fun after all.
tommy_renegade very close to completion on this one, had a bit of a set back with having to get some other productions completed, but will be ready shortly ;)
bulby_g Well just look at you all go.

Oh well, I'll get there.
DJ_FunDaBounce It ocurred to me as we're halfway to the deadline, that some aspects of the contest should be defined such as what format and rate the finished production should be at.
will it be an anonnymous list of tracks to be downloaded when the voting begins?I think this is the way to go but wonder as how or who is gonna handle this part without having an unfair advantage such as knowing who made what and what the tracks sound like beforehand.

thoughts?
Hard2Get It will be anonymous as stated :) As for the format i don't i don't think it's anything to get stressed about; 192 kbps mp3 will do, for peoples convenience :)
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
It will be anonymous as stated :) As for the format i don't i don't think it's anything to get stressed about; 192 kbps mp3 will do, for peoples convenience :)



What he said. :)
Reese
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
The comp' has now started. :)

Here is the sample pack - http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Hard2Get/Samples.rar

& the vocals -
http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Ionosphere-CompVOX-3.1.08.wav

Big thanks to Hard2Get, Ionosphere and Treasure for all the time and effort spent getting these ready!


Rules for the comp:

1. The lyrics have to be written by a member of the site. Publishing rights will goto the creators of the lyrics.
2. The vocals have to be sung by a member of the site, male or female, duet or combination of different singers.
3. The artist of the track will be the producers name, feat. the singers name.
4. The track has to be produced by a member of the site and posted only here.
5. The track can be remixed or further colibrated on by other members of the site if you post the project file.
6. You have 2 months.
7. The winner will be voted by the members of the site.

This time there will be a sample pack available but you will not be restricted to using it.

Here is the link again to the first comp, should answer any questions. http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19583

People interested so far:-

95_was_the_time
Angel Projekt
Audio X
Blizzcol
Boc4j
Bondy
Bulby_G
Coltgti
CorDharel
Dain-Ja
DarrenJ
DJepi
DJkierans
DJMikk
DJScorch
Eddiewould
EnVias
Hard2Get
Hashlygreen69
Hotchkiss
Influx
Ionosphere
Luminate
Mansy
Manuelf
MEOWCHiX
Michael_mansion
Mortis
Narcotik
No Left Turn
Novaboy
Ojjistar
Phenex
Pope C XXIII
Redwingz
Roundhead711
Ruroken
Serenity
Shades_of_Grey
Tommy_renegade
Urban Atmosphere
XtarsiA






Sure, what the hell. Add me on there.

We'll see if I get it done in time.
bulby_g Will do mate. :)
nrXic
quote:
Originally posted by Orbit1:
quote:
Any progress guys? I've been trying to sketch out different possible songs.

For some reason I'm coming up with really whack stuff that I like because it's really different, but at the same time I want others to enjoy it (and vote for it :P). I fear that a track too unorthodox will make people go "whuh?" instead of "me likey". :P

One month left...


Remember, you're going for crowd appeal here ;)



True...

Well I'm doing a correspondance Uni course (first year stats, not too bad) that I have to finish within 3 weeks. The course is 21 weeks long :P. So I'm probably not gonna have an entry, unless I can manage to finish a song within the last week. We'll see how things go...
CorDharel Alright I finished my track. What do I do now? Send it to bulby_g?

Oh and btw: If you really want to make it anonymous, don't forget about mp3 tags

Anyway I would rather make it not anonymous cause I wanna swear at my opponents when I hear their produced masterpieces
bulby_g Hang on to it for now. Will need uploading and a link being given eventually but will be best if we can leave this till the comp' end date.

Will post further instructions at the end of the month.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by CorDharel:
Alright I finished my track. What do I do now? Send it to bulby_g?

Oh and btw: If you really want to make it anonymous, don't forget about mp3 tags

Anyway I would rather make it not anonymous cause I wanna swear at my opponents when I hear their produced masterpieces



It's only anonymous till the voting is over :P
bulby_g I'm going to need a link for peoples tracks sent through to me by the end of this month. Please upload to an FTP and send a direct link, this is the only acceptable way to enter your track. Please speak to Dain-Ja if you don't know how/can't do this as he has very kindly volunteered to help.

All tracks must be 128kbps

Please don't have your name in the file or file name as we want to have anon voting


Everyone getting on OK then? I've had some time off work and managed to actually get something together now so I should have something that's at least nearly finished. :)

What do people think is a decent bit rate to use for these and do you think we should be uploading edits or complete tracks for voting on?

Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:

What do people think is a decent bit rate to use for these and do you think we should be uploading edits or complete tracks for voting on?




imo.... 128kbps, to discourage unscrupulous theft and improve speed of download and

Full Track, to prevent people submitting 'the best bit' of an otherwise dodgey track which would mislead voters.

Synesthesia I'd say bitrate should be people's choice as long as it's sensible, as for track length I agree it should be the full hit. Looking forward to hearing them :)
Ionosphere The same bitrate would create a level playing field for all entries.
Dain-Ja here's how to upload to my FTP server (I'm volunteering it for this :P)

1) get an FTP client like cuteFTP, WS_FTP or SmartFTP
2) add the following server information using the easy to use "wizards" those clients have:

server: ftp.ottawaraves.com
username: happyhardcore@ottawaraves.com
password: happyhardcore

3) upload the file you wish to upload there in MP3 format according to the bitrate that will be decided shortly

the path to your file will be http://www.ottawaraves.com/happyhardcore/thenameofyourfile.mp3

:)
bulby_g Nice one Dain-Ja.

128kbps and full tracks then please. Agree that seems the best way to do things.
Synesthesia Hey bulby I sent you a PM with a direct link to my track did you get it? If not I'll upload it to Dain-Ja's ftp before the end of the month.
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Hey bulby I sent you a PM with a direct link to my track did you get it? If not I'll upload it to Dain-Ja's ftp before the end of the month.



Hey mate,

Yep, I got that, cheers. Hadn't got round to replying yet, soz.
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:

the path to your file will be http://www.ottawaraves.com/happyhardcore/thenameofyourfile.mp3

:)



this is just to get the file to you guys, right?
I'm guessing someone will rename them so they will truly be anonymous.
from the looks of it though at least bulby and dain ja will know who did what.

btw, I think 192kbps should be standard.The bandwidth available nowadays can handle it don't you think?
Future_Shock how long will voting go for?
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:

the path to your file will be http://www.ottawaraves.com/happyhardcore/thenameofyourfile.mp3

:)



this is just to get the file to you guys, right?
I'm guessing someone will rename them so they will truly be anonymous.
from the looks of it though at least bulby and dain ja will know who did what.

btw, I think 192kbps should be standard.The bandwidth available nowadays can handle it don't you think?




I have more or less unlimited bandwidth on my server so that's not a problem ;)
I can rename stuff to be anonymous when the time comes.
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:

the path to your file will be http://www.ottawaraves.com/happyhardcore/thenameofyourfile.mp3

:)



this is just to get the file to you guys, right?
I'm guessing someone will rename them so they will truly be anonymous.
from the looks of it though at least bulby and dain ja will know who did what.

btw, I think 192kbps should be standard.The bandwidth available nowadays can handle it don't you think?




I think 128 would be best incase Iono, Treasure and someone do something with one of the tracks. Wouldn't want everyone already having a reasonable quality version.

Good question on the voting. A 2 or 3 weeks or something? I know everyone will be keen to get an end result ASAP but we need to give enough time for people to listen to everything and get their votes in. I don't think it matters if me and Dain-Ja know who the tracks belong to really.

Silver said it may take a week or so to get the poll up as well by the way everybody.
Future_Shock i agree 128 is better.

But can you just law down a rule isntead of saying whats agood idea or not. I mean theres 3 days left and i wanna upload my track. 128 for standard then?
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
128kbps and full tracks then please.



;)
No Left Turn Whoa... totally forgot about this project. Tracks are due at the end of the month? (So... end of this week?)
choonland can`t upload! :(((((
nrXic Don't worry, I'm starting mine on the 28th (day after my final), you won't be the only one.

But I do have the advantage of laying down a general idea of the track (16 bars of what I'm thinking the track should be like).

I have a suggestion for the next time we do something like this...how about releasing a compilation? What I'm thinking is that when you do a competition, it's hard for us starting (heh, I've been a green producer for over 10 years now :P) producers to get any critical feedback to improve our music.

So you could have the same sort of rules, ie. have to use a particular vocal, but make the thread open so that people could share their progress and get feedback and improve their tunes. And then when the deadline hits, you get someone to mix all of the songs into a full 60 min mix. (Of course, there could be the issue of too many entries...but those sort of logistics could be figured out pretty easily, ie. having multiple mixes a la Bonkers).

And so in the end you could have a free compilation to the public, someone could do the artwork and it would be something akin to Bonkers/Clubland/etc., except the neat thing is that it's all based around one vocal/lyric.

Anyways, just throwing this out for discussion...there could be some things I haven't considered and some problems with such a format. But I was thinking that it would be a great way to get improve skills during the creation of a song, and thus accelerate one's progress.
Ken Masters Well said mate! Thats a great idea:-) but we should do it with all the tracks that are made, instead of the same vocals! Let people get a real feel for the tracks!
icex ahaha i just had a flashback to 2005! wow so many of the same people are still the producers here awesome!
bulby_g Not so sure the album thing would work TBH. The same vocal for a whole set would grate a bit lol. Maybe if it wasn't a vocal comp or you had loads of dif' vocals.

Hey Icex. :) Not seen you about for time!
Future_Shock Um... i just had a thought...

Dain-ja, if all the tracks needed to be downloaded from your ftp server when voting commences then doesnt that mean voters are automatically forced to download an ftp client?

I honestly don't know and am just asking because i think if everyone who wants to vote does need to download an ftp client then i think a lot of people may not end up voting? :S

Also i had trouble uploading to your ftp server Dain-ja.... I don't exactly know what i'm meant to do?

BTW wherever they're hosted; can whoever is responsible for the tracks play them one by one to themselves to make sure there are no mp3 tags or anything, as that would suck if someone left them on.... which i think i might have. Whoops.
bulby_g I don't know what we're going to do about having anon tracks. Everyone is plastering their names all over the place. :(

I obviously can't change this at my end. Can everyone make sure they don't have their name anywhere in the file or file name.

People wont need an FTP to listen to the tracks. You can produce a direct link and people just click and listen. :)
Future_Shock AH problem then.

Peeps just make your filename something recognisable to you and nobody else. make sure it doesnt have your artist name in it.

*curses his own stupidity*
Hard2Get Just rename the files and remove ID3 tag. Failing that just record the song and re-encode it with no info :P
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Just rename the files and remove ID3 tag. Failing that just record the song and re-encode it with no info :P



Mucho work that I don't have time to do. :p Can't rename the files or remove the tags as I don't have access to them on the FTPs.
Future_Shock i just realised that posting it publically makes it pretty obvious whos track is whos hahahaha

wow we are so stupid.

going back to just having something the atist recognises but nobody else does is a good idea i think
bulby_g yesum. dear me. haha.

If everyone just picks a name that isn't too generic (don't want 2 or more files with the same name!) and doesn't include their name that should be fine.
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
I don't know what we're going to do about having anon tracks. Everyone is plastering their names all over the place. :(

I obviously can't change this at my end. Can everyone make sure they don't have their name anywhere in the file or file name.




I suggest that whoever is receiving the named tracks(they should obviously come named or how else would you keep track of what's what). simply make a list of who made what and rename them as "Track1" "Track 2" etc. Then post a link list of the numbered tracks on here.using links that are named would defeat anonimity which in my opinion would ruin the voting.

btw,if you have winamp just go into "file" and then "view file info..." and update the tags.easy as that.
bulby_g Problem is... I'll be getting the track but as they're uploaded by the artists I have no power to change names etc.

Was just going to keep a list of names and file names as they come into me so I can keep track of things.
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Problem is... I'll be getting the track but as they're uploaded by the artists I have no power to change names etc.

Was just going to keep a list of names and file names as they come into me so I can keep track of things.



you're saying that you were planning to use the original upload link as the final voting download link?excuse my bitchin' but this is part of why I didn't agree to having participants as organizers.
but seeing we've come this far...

just download each track bulby, rename and reupload all tracks and keep a list of members names for future reference.If I'm not wrong deadline is march 3rd(samples were uploaded jan 3rd) so we still have a bit of time.
bulby_g Deadline is this month mate.

I could do that I guess. Just seems like I'll spend a lot of my time uploading things that have already been uploaded though. If the names are just sorted before being sent to me surely that is much easier?

Unfortunately I don't have much time to spare right now. Guess it's only a huge problem if loads of people actually submit. Got 5 so far including my own.

TBH mate I know I'm not the ideal candidate to run this thing but it least it got it going aye?
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Deadline is this month mate.

I could do that I guess. Just seems like I'll spend a lot of my time uploading things that have already been uploaded though. If the names are just sorted before being sent to me surely that is much easier?

Unfortunately I don't have much time to spare right now. Guess it's only a huge problem if loads of people actually submit. Got 5 so far including my own.

TBH mate I know I'm not the ideal candidate to run this thing but it least it got it going aye?



so links to bulby it is then?a 6 min 128kbps file is pretty small so it wouldnt take too long to reupload.
bulby_g Yeah, I guess you're right...

Aye, send your link to me.
Future_Shock uh

no offence fundabounce but that seems like an unnecessarily large dick around! And it also sounds to me like you're being a bit of a prick.... I apologise in advance IF you didnt mean to be...

Why send them to him for him to download, rename and then upload when he can keep track of whos track is whos anyway? You forget that people have to send their link to him. How hard is it to make a word document or something - paste the ORIGINAL filenames and then their username next to it?

**** downloading, reanaming and then uploading - you're still going to have to create a word document or something to keep track of whos tracks your just renamed, what the original file was called, and their username!!!! how is that ANY easier?

Mate i think you've just made it a lot more complicated that it needs to be?
bulby_g That is kinda what I was thinking, heh. Seems like I'd just be re-doing what people have already done...
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
That is kinda what I was thinking, heh. Seems like I'd just be re-doing what people have already done...



I just debate in the name of anonymity.if everybody's tracks have info on who made it then it could be used unfairly like having artist X have all his/her friends vote for the same track for exmpl.
MAYBE the artist names arent on the already uploaded tracks but if they are I suggest reuploading making sure they're not.
bulby_g At the end of the day though... All someone has to do is listen through the samples and then tell there mates what track it is. :s
Future_Shock well all the artist has to do is listen to the tracks til they find their own and then tell all their friends about it anyway.

Honestly, there is no way to stop, or police that is there....which yeah is kind of shit but theres always corrupt people around isnt there.

Downloading them, renaming them and uploading them isnt going to stop that... not in the slightest.

Look everyone knows its meant to be anonymous.... therefore its the entrants responsibility to adhere to that prerequisite. I myself uploaded my track 3 times to make sure it was done right - and bulbs can atest to that.

Just seems to me people are being lazy. It takes minimal effort on the entrants part or massive effort on bulby's part. Seems a bit unfair considering as its the ENTRANTS job to adhere to the rules of entry.
Hard2Get Lol, if someone has uploaded a song with ID3 info then that person can just replace the file with no such info. It's not really complex. Anyone who is too lazy to do so, well bollocks to them and they should be disqualified.
Future_Shock WHats ID3 info?
Ionosphere ....right.

So it's -

128k, or Disqualification.

No ID3 Tags, or Disqualification.

Name your entry so that only the Bulbz can enumerate it, or Disqualification.

Don't tell your mates to vote for the number of your track, or be a C..t for the rest of your life.


....is that about right?


Jax
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
....right.

So it's -

128k, or Disqualification.

No ID3 Tags, or Disqualification.

Name your entry so that only the Bulbz can enumerate it, or Disqualification.

Don't tell your mates to vote for the number of your track, or be a C..t for the rest of your life.


....is that about right?






i look forward to pointing and laughing at the first person that fails to follow these simple instructions!
nrXic When's the actual deadline (as in what time, and btw I'm in the MST timezone)? It's going to be a last minute affair for me...if I miss it, I miss it, but I'd at least like to try.
Future_Shock The deadline is the last day of this month.

Being that Greenwich Mean Time is the ACTUAL time, i think the deadling should be 00:00am on the 1st of March - Greenwich Mean Time.

Any way you look at it - the deadline is fast approaching. SO who's finished and who isnt?
Jax
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
The deadline is the last day of this month.

Being that Greenwich Mean Time is the ACTUAL time, i think the deadling should be 00:00am on the 1st of March - Greenwich Mean Time.

Any way you look at it - the deadline is fast approaching. SO who's finished and who isnt?



you really are taking this seriously arn't you lol. i dont think anyone is going to be disqualified for sending their track 1 second / minute / hour past the deadline and i dont think bulby is going to be sitting up at midnight finalising all the tracks for people to listen to, as long as the track is finished and sent to bulby before the morning of the 1st i dont see how there should be a prob
ruroken I somehow managed to finish, even though I just started this morning. Nothing spectacular or even good lol. But I guess I should be proud I actually finished the production :)
Future_Shock
quote:
Originally posted by Jax:
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
The deadline is the last day of this month.

Being that Greenwich Mean Time is the ACTUAL time, i think the deadling should be 00:00am on the 1st of March - Greenwich Mean Time.

Any way you look at it - the deadline is fast approaching. SO who's finished and who isnt?



you really are taking this seriously arn't you lol. i dont think anyone is going to be disqualified for sending their track 1 second / minute / hour past the deadline and i dont think bulby is going to be sitting up at midnight finalising all the tracks for people to listen to, as long as the track is finished and sent to bulby before the morning of the 1st i dont see how there should be a prob




Its HEAPS less about taking it seriously and a LOT more about being organised. Its been 2 months, its gonna take another week to get the polls up after everyone has sumbitted their tracks, i just want it to happen fast rather than be all over the place.

Makes sense doesnt it>?
Jax
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
quote:
Originally posted by Jax:
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
The deadline is the last day of this month.

Being that Greenwich Mean Time is the ACTUAL time, i think the deadling should be 00:00am on the 1st of March - Greenwich Mean Time.

Any way you look at it - the deadline is fast approaching. SO who's finished and who isnt?



you really are taking this seriously arn't you lol. i dont think anyone is going to be disqualified for sending their track 1 second / minute / hour past the deadline and i dont think bulby is going to be sitting up at midnight finalising all the tracks for people to listen to, as long as the track is finished and sent to bulby before the morning of the 1st i dont see how there should be a prob




Its HEAPS less about taking it seriously and a LOT more about being organised. Its been 2 months, its gonna take another week to get the polls up after everyone has sumbitted their tracks, i just want it to happen fast rather than be all over the place.

Makes sense doesnt it>?




yeh course, this thing would be a sham without the organisation that has gone into it. im only saying that i think it would be harsh to set such a strict deadline when they probably wont be seen till the morning anyway (unless bulby is going to sit up till midnight? :P )
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
....right.

So it's -

128k, or Disqualification.

No ID3 Tags, or Disqualification.

Name your entry so that only the Bulbz can enumerate it, or Disqualification.

Don't tell your mates to vote for the number of your track, or be a C..t for the rest of your life.


....is that about right?






Spot on. ;)

Yeah, deadline is tomorrow. Castration is the punishment for trying to hand me late entries.

I'm not going to be doing anything with the tracks till I'm up and about on Sat so if you get it in before then I may just let it slide... If I'm in a good mood.
Hard2Get Jax is spot on.
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
quote:
Originally posted by Jax:
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
The deadline is the last day of this month.

Being that Greenwich Mean Time is the ACTUAL time, i think the deadling should be 00:00am on the 1st of March - Greenwich Mean Time.

Any way you look at it - the deadline is fast approaching. SO who's finished and who isnt?



you really are taking this seriously arn't you lol. i dont think anyone is going to be disqualified for sending their track 1 second / minute / hour past the deadline and i dont think bulby is going to be sitting up at midnight finalising all the tracks for people to listen to, as long as the track is finished and sent to bulby before the morning of the 1st i dont see how there should be a prob




Its HEAPS less about taking it seriously and a LOT more about being organised. Its been 2 months, its gonna take another week to get the polls up after everyone has sumbitted their tracks, i just want it to happen fast rather than be all over the place.

Makes sense doesnt it>?




I agree with Influx on this one.I myself am anxious to see results.hopefully these 30-something pages plus the previous compo thread will serve as a more solid foundation for the next one.
on the deadline bit...
the rules said 2 months and that wouldve been on the 3rd of march since Jan 3rd was when the samples were uploaded.
Ken Masters Bulby, just to let you know that i've finished my track mate but I was cutting it a bit late & I wasn't too sure of how to upload it to you, so instead of missing the deadline i've sent my track to my mate Dain-ja & he's going to send it to you asap. Let me know when you get it mate! Cheers!
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:
Bulby, just to let you know that i've finished my track mate but I was cutting it a bit late & I wasn't too sure of how to upload it to you, so instead of missing the deadline i've sent my track to my mate Dain-ja & he's going to send it to you asap. Let me know when you get it mate! Cheers!



No worries mate :)
nrXic
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
The deadline is the last day of this month.

Being that Greenwich Mean Time is the ACTUAL time, i think the deadling should be 00:00am on the 1st of March - Greenwich Mean Time.

Any way you look at it - the deadline is fast approaching. SO who's finished and who isnt?



Cool, thanks! It's good to have a good hard deadline.
Ken Masters Bulby, i'm getting a bit worried now mate! Still haven't heard back from dain-ja about getting my track to you! I've put so much effort in to this mate & it would be so gutting to miss the deadline in this way:-( I've sent this through a private message aswell mate along with my Track in case I dont hear from dain-ja anytime soon. I'm sure he'll get back to me but just incase. I hope you can sort something out mate! Thanx for you time!
Jax
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:
Bulby, i'm getting a bit worried now mate! Still haven't heard back from dain-ja about getting my track to you! I've put so much effort in to this mate & it would be so gutting to miss the deadline in this way:-( I've sent this through a private message aswell mate along with my Track in case I dont hear from dain-ja anytime soon. I'm sure he'll get back to me but just incase. I hope you can sort something out mate! Thanx for you time!



if uve sent it to bulby through pm then you have nothing to worry about ;)
Ken Masters but my track isn't compressed & I didn't upload the way Bulby wanted it. Really hope everythings cool cause if it isn't in for midnight it's over!!
Jax well as a backup why dont you render the track @ 128kbps with no id tag and upload it to http://www.mediafire.com + http://www.speedyshare.com and http://www.sendspace.com , that way he is sure to get at least one copy ;)

he also said uve got till he gets up tomorrow morning so you should be able to catch Dain-Ja when he gets in tonight anyway ;)
Ken Masters will do Jax! cheers mate:-) how do you check that my track is at 128kbps i'm really not sure! i've uploaded it to sendspace already but not sure if it's 128kbps.


BULBY, NEED YOUR HELP MATE!
ruroken In windows xp, right click > properties > summary tab > advanced > scroll down to the bottom.
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:
will do Jax! cheers mate:-) how do you check that my track is at 128kbps i'm really not sure! i've uploaded it to sendspace already but not sure if it's 128kbps.


BULBY, NEED YOUR HELP MATE!



if its an mp3 file already just set the cursor over the file and it should show some file info including the bit rate.If it's not an mp3 file yet(maybe a wav. or an aiff.) you need to convert it using a wave editor of some sort(adobe audition or even a DAW like cubase will do the job)
load the file and when you export it again set the bit rate to 128kbps in mp3 format.
Ken Masters cheers lads! Much appreciated!
Ken Masters Just checked it lads. it's at 128kbps so everythings cool aslong as BULBY's got the track alright! Haven't heard from him?
Jax
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:
Just checked it lads. it's at 128kbps so everythings cool aslong as BULBY's got the track alright! Haven't heard from him?



its friday night, the pubs are open
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:
will do Jax! cheers mate:-) how do you check that my track is at 128kbps i'm really not sure! i've uploaded it to sendspace already but not sure if it's 128kbps.


BULBY, NEED YOUR HELP MATE!



Honestly, who gives a shit :) Wouldn't be the end of the world if it was even 320.
bulby_g Narcotik mate... Sorry to do this to you but I'm gonna have to disqualify your entry. Unless I missed something in this topic where you put these vocals up for use and they're recorded, sung etc. by a member of the site?

Nice effort though, sorry.
Ken Masters oh F**K. I completely forgot about that! That really is gutting after the time & effort that me and Dephonix put in! Isn't there any way that if the other competition entrants allowed it then it would be alright or even put it in as an entrant but there would be noway I can win. Just a few ideas cause I am totally gutted!
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:
oh F**K. I completely forgot about that! That really is gutting after the time & effort that me and Dephonix put in! Isn't there any way that if the other competition entrants allowed it then it would be alright or even put it in as an entrant but there would be noway I can win. Just a few ideas cause I am totally gutted!



Well, it's a competition remember, so if your doing something different to everyone else then you aren't competing against them, so it doesn't work :P
Ken Masters I thought that a competition was about creating something different, to out shine your rivals, you know? All I done was start a forum asking for fresh singing talent & I started to talk to Dephonix. Anyone who really wanted to make an impact in this competition would have done the same! I cant belive that the efforts and ideas we put together are sort of wasted because I never let anyone else steal our style or sound. What a shame.
Hard2Get Somehow you missed my point. If your not using the same material as everyone else then you aren't competing against them :P If you were entered into the competition there would be no basis on which to compare you with everyone else.
Jax I think the reason the comepetition was setup how it was is so that we can see who makes the best out of the materials given, which imo is the best way to run it!

why dont you just share the track you made for people to listen to / play out?
Future_Shock LOL

Dude, you can't really whinge about it hey.... like.... it was clearly stated in the rules, AND even confirmed later in the topic.... you forgot about it.... seems like its nobody's fault but yours. Sucks yeah, but life lesson i guess?

How about doing what a normal producer does and try and get it signed? Why does it HAVE to be for the competition?
bulby_g Yeah, real shame mate but gotta stick to the rules I'm afraid. Why not try and do something with the track as Influx said?

Well I only ended up with 9 valid entries but the general quality seems excellent. :) Good variety too. Can't wait for the voting now!

If your name is not here let me know asap! think I've got everyone though.

Influx + Novaboy
DJ_FunDaBounce
CorDharel
ruroken
Synesthesia
tommy_renegade
Ionosphere
manuelf
Bulby_G












GaryMaguireXL where can we get a listen?
Ken Masters oh well, I'm sure we'll have another one soon. Looking forward to it! Here's my track anyway people. hope you like it!

DJ Narcotik feat Dephonix- Dark Myth

[url][/url]http://www.sendspace.com/file/2604er
Synesthesia Nice track Narcotik, cheers for the upload. It's a pity about the DQ but I can understand why after hearing the vocals. Good breakbeat in the middle, it gives it a nice old skool feel combined with the more modern sounding synth riffs. Thumbs up from me.
Ken Masters Cheers mate! Much appreciated:-)
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by GaryMaguireXL:
where can we get a listen?



Just waiting to get a poll sorted. :) Be about a week or so.
Synesthesia Just listened to some of your stuff on acidplanet bulby, very nice indeed, looking forward to hearing your track. I like 'weekend has come', I remember hearing those vocals on Vipzone and thinking wtf?? You've done a good job with them there.
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Just listened to some of your stuff on acidplanet bulby, very nice indeed, looking forward to hearing your track. I like 'weekend has come', I remember hearing those vocals on Vipzone and thinking wtf?? You've done a good job with them there.



Cheers mate. They're both pretty old now and I've improved a bit since then. Hopefully you'll agree :p.

You got any of your stuff floating around for DL? Your entry is awesome.

It will be interesting to see if people recognise who has done what without knowing.
Synesthesia Cheers bulby, this track is the only thing I've had time to complete recently, most of my stuff usually ends up as an unfinished beat/break/chorus, I'm sure you know the feeling :)
bulby_g Haha, fair play mate. Yeah, I know the feeling all too well. ;)
tommy_renegade look forward to hearing everyones entry

after listenin back to mine the other day, i'm not 100% happy with it but ah well tis all for fun lol
Future_Shock in retrospect im not happy wit mine either dont worry hahaha

Looking back on it theres heaps that id like to change.... you can ask anyone i talk to - i was heaps nervous after i had submitted it (3 times)
tommy_renegade totally mate lol, its just tiny bits in mine i'm not happy with, but we shall see, really cant wait to hear all the entries, so many talented producers about these days
Dain-Ja I didn't have time to make one

lol.
CorDharel lol after some days without listening to my submitted track it also started to sound weird

anyway I am also waiting for the entries.
bulby_g Think it is impossible to ever be 100% happy with a track. :p

Loads I should have done with my track but too late now. Oh well.
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by tommy_renegade:

....its just tiny bits in mine i'm not happy with,




....after going round and round in circles with our entry we're lucky that there are tiny bits that are OK....
tommy_renegade
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:
Originally posted by tommy_renegade:

....its just tiny bits in mine i'm not happy with,




....after going round and round in circles with our entry we're lucky that there are tiny bits that are OK....




at least i got mine this time before the deadline lol
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by tommy_renegade:

at least i got mine this time before the deadline lol




yeh, and we're suitably impressed mate ....which left us thinking,


if tommy_rengade can do it


all those other failed entries have absolutely no excuse!
nrXic
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:
Originally posted by tommy_renegade:

at least i got mine this time before the deadline lol




yeh, and we're suitably impressed mate ....which left us thinking,


if tommy_rengade can do it


all those other failed entries have absolutely no excuse!




I'll stand by my excuse. :) I had to do a 21 week stats course in 3 weeks, on top of 2 software engineering and 2 business courses. :P

Oh, and I was really happy with the little I had, it was unorthodox so you couldn't really compare it to many other tracks. I suppose I should finish it in the next couple weeks and post it here anyways.
choonland can`t wait to vote
Ard2theCore Really looking forward to hearing these tracks now, been checking on it for months! Love hearing original productions
Jax it'd almost be worth setting your own poll up on an independent site, would only take 5 minutes
Future_Shock When the hell is this poll goin up? Its been almost 10 days now... and no word
Jax http://www.polldaddy.com

http://www.easy-poll.com

http://pollcode.com

http://nupolls.com

http://www.freepolls.com

http://freepollkit.com

http://www.snappoll.com

http://www.pollverize.com

Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:

Just waiting to get a poll sorted. :) Be about a week or so.




The Bulbz posted this on the 3rd, so it'll probably be about a week or so after that....


....just like he said.
ruroken Which means tomorrow :O yay
bulby_g We had a problem setting the voting up on the site as the code from the 1'st comp' has gone amiss. Voting is now open through different means (thanks Jax). See 1'st page!

Good luck everyone.
Synesthesia Just listened to the entries and I have to say some of them are outstanding, I just hope people will take the time to go and vote for their favourite. I think it's gonna be a close finish!
bulby_g Agreed. :)

BTW... Wa thinking the voting should run through march and cut off on April 1st. Thoughts?
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:

BTW... Wa thinking the voting should run through march and cut off on April 1st. Thoughts?




That sounds fair enough as it'll give people enough time to vote.
Dain-Ja just voted!

a few really good entries IMO
one of them really stood out for me though :)
Future_Shock LOL you can say which one man - they're anonymous you know ;)
tommy_renegade good luck everyone!
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
LOL you can say which one man - they're anonymous you know ;)



right
well, it was http://www.pdportraits.co.uk/index_files/Be_a_star.mp3

really like it!
Serenity I voted Nice job to everyone who entered, it was great to hear all of the different ideas!

If you do a competition again, at least make the entries 192kbps. I'd be very interested in what these sound like at higher bitrates because the compression is noticeable. I wish I'd had the time to sort out a track, but life got in the way! (As it always seems to)
tru bass the first track downloads for about 5 seconds then cuts off on my internet

is this happening for everyone or it just me?
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
I voted Nice job to everyone who entered, it was great to hear all of the different ideas!

If you do a competition again, at least make the entries 192kbps. I'd be very interested in what these sound like at higher bitrates because the compression is noticeable. I wish I'd had the time to sort out a track, but life got in the way! (As it always seems to)



well, they're also unmastered...
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:

well, they're also unmastered...




yep, quite deliberately and only 128k, also deliberately....


Noboby wants their efforts to be pirated, presuming that they're good enough of course and that they're finished and that they didn't run out of @*!^??!!! time..........


....and yeh, like tommy_renegade said "Good luck everyone".
Leto
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
LOL you can say which one man - they're anonymous you know ;)



right
well, it was http://www.pdportraits.co.uk/index_files/Be_a_star.mp3

really like it!



This one is nice!! So is the potatofriend one.
Phenex Hehe, I know this poll is supposed to be anonymous, but in no time at all I managed to get one of the contestants' name, age, birthday, e-mail(s), web page, home address, bebo user name, happyhardcore user name, occupation, relationship status, pictures of contestant's dog and some naked pictures. Yay Internet!
silver Impressed with the quality of all entries... wicked comp bulby_g... have to do it every 3-4 months me thinks if the quality is this good :p
whispering
quote:
Originally posted by tru bass:
the first track downloads for about 5 seconds then cuts off on my internet

is this happening for everyone or it just me?


Probably just you :P

Though i had one cut off, so i just pressed redownload and it DLed it ok.

Anyway, voted. Though polls suck, if you dont need to register. Though this site only allows 8 options for polls, so there wasnt really any other way i suppose...
CorDharel Yes there are some very good tracks

After the voting I need a know how transfer with some of the producers
silver
quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
Anyway, voted. Though polls suck, if you dont need to register. Though this site only allows 8 options for polls, so there wasnt really any other way i suppose...



Yeah I've lost the code from the last comp, I'll have to re-write it for the next one, just didn't notice it was missing until it was too late and didn't want to hold up voting.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by Phenex:
Hehe, I know this poll is supposed to be anonymous, but in no time at all I managed to get one of the contestants' name, age, birthday, e-mail(s), web page, home address, bebo user name, happyhardcore user name, occupation, relationship status, pictures of contestant's dog and some naked pictures. Yay Internet!



LOL
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
Impressed with the quality of all entries... wicked comp bulby_g... have to do it every 3-4 months me thinks if the quality is this good :p



Yeah definitely. :) There is a lot of good producers on the board.

Cheers for the sticky and top page post!
whispering
quote:
Originally posted by Phenex:
Hehe, I know this poll is supposed to be anonymous, but in no time at all I managed to get one of the contestants' name, age, birthday, e-mail(s), web page, home address, bebo user name, happyhardcore user name, occupation, relationship status, pictures of contestant's dog and some naked pictures. Yay Internet!

pics or didnt happen.
Dain-Ja yeah, I once took part in a dj competition
which was really just a popularity contest (who can get the most votes)

one of the other contestants cheated

thankfully IP addresses could be checked so the promoters found out and I won

but I dunno about this polldaddy thing...
bulby_g TBH if anyone gets any satisfaction from cheating to win they're pretty sad. :p
Future_Shock yeah whats the point in winning if you didnt win legit?

especially when theres no prize involved?
Dain-Ja I agree
Just saying...


Anyhow, I liked "Be a Star" alot, looking forward to figuring out who made it, though I have my hunches.
I think it's the best technically and had the best mixdown too...and IMO, the catchiest riff.

Although Potato Friend was pretty good and catchy too, just not to the same level technically IMO.

Even if I don't have an entry, I'm looking forward to the results!
Phenex
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
TBH if anyone gets any satisfaction from cheating to win they're pretty sad. :p



You'd be surprised how many do this. :(
Ken Masters Just been listening to the tracks there & i'm really impressed with the level of production! To be honest I really like the first track because it's blown all tradition out the water and has created something different. There is no doubt about it that the first track should win but I have to say if I hear those f***ing vocals one more time i'm going to top myself! Personally I think the vocals are dragging down these great tracks & would be better without any vocals at all but thats just my opinion:-p
whispering
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:
Just been listening to the tracks there & i'm really impressed with the level of production! To be honest I really like the first track because it's blown all tradition out the water and has created something different. There is no doubt about it that the first track should win but I have to say if I hear those f***ing vocals one more time i'm going to top myself! Personally I think the vocals are dragging down these great tracks & would be better without any vocals at all but thats just my opinion:-p



Have to say i lisyened the tracks like 3 times in a row, so heard the vocals few too many times But i still like the vocals in the first track, which in my eyes is the winner. The melody, bass, vocals and everything is just ****ing awesome. One of the best hardcore tunes i've heard in ages...
tru bass i think hhcomp41 is the best...

i love that buildup with the riff

i think they should all collab and make one supersong. as all these songs are just tooo good
ruroken I listened to about half of them so far because I couldn't stand hearing 1+ hour of the same vocal over and over. I think 512 is my favorite so far.
Dain-Ja if I remember correctly what I didn't like about that one was that the not all the vocals were used

I could be wrong though, I'm at work so I can't check
Meathead just voted or i think i did? anyway, voted for "happycorecomp101" i think its brilliant its just a bit darker, dunno if thats what the producer was tryin to acheive but i liked it and really stands out from the rest. but if i didnt choose that one would have voted for HHComp41.

DarrenJ my 2 favs:

potatoefriend
magical1
Dain-Ja I'm listening to them again and I must say potatofriend is pretty wicked too
some of the sounds remind me of spaceman haha
I wish the 2nd break had been different though

Number 512 is really good but it was too repetitive for me and I found the vocal didn't sound as "pleasing" as in potatofriend and be a star

All in all, I still think be a star is my favourite and the best technically. Good mixdown, good vocal work and a nice ravey 2nd breakdown.

A few others are good but I'm too lazy to review everything.

If either potatofriend or be a star win I'll be quite pleased. So many good tunes here, we should do this more often. MY STUDIO MONITORS STILL AREN'T FIXED...I want to partake in the next one :P
Dain-Ja apparently I lied
potatofriend is growing on me

sorry, I'll stop posting

It's just such a relief to be able to listen to these again now that I'm home from work :D
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:

....but I have to say if I hear those f***ing vocals one more time i'm going to top myself!




....absolutely true!

We're sick of them as well and the chances are it's even putting people off of listening to all the entries and therefore not voting,

which is why we were keen for other people to put up vocals so that there was more choice (free of charge of course).

So, for the next Production Comp', a choice of vocals or no vocals at all?
Treasure I have to say that i still am yet to vote ,due to the fact that after 3 tunes i wanted to pull my hair out . No disrespecting the production only the vocal .
I have to say im frankly shamed at this vocal.
Big up all of you having to work with it.

I swear by almighty hardcore god that i will try much harder next time lol

Best of luck to everyone :)

Craigavon raver i just voted there (well i think i did lol)i voted for magical1,wicked tune especially the piano when it kicks in the last time with the other tune,thats what did it for me,but as already stated be a star and potatoe head were good along with the second one in the list,well they were all good but those were my favs,suprised the last track has no votes yet very harsh by the voters lol

but i,d just like 2 say big up all those people who made the tracks they were all wicked,and 2 find out who made each track especially magical1
whispering
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
So, for the next Production Comp', a choice of vocals or no vocals at all?


Nah, really liked the vocals. Its like buying a maxi single, you just shouldnt listen all 8 tracks in a row :P
bulby_g I loved the vocals TBH.

Would be interesting to try something with no vocal though. Just have a simple hook that everyone has to use... A sample or a short riff that has to be included somehow.
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
i just voted there (well i think i did lol)i voted for magical1,wicked tune especially the piano when it kicks in the last time with the other tune,thats what did it for me,but as already stated be a star and potatoe head were good along with the second one in the list,well they were all good but those were my favs,suprised the last track has no votes yet very harsh by the voters lol

but i,d just like 2 say big up all those people who made the tracks they were all wicked,and 2 find out who made each track especially magical1



lol @ "potatoe head"!
potato friend does seem to bring that to mind. ;)
ZerophoniK Some of these tracks were quite amazing :)

My choice went with Be_a_star however. It was between that one and potatofriend.

Great tracks, both of them :)
Future_Shock Yes, yes... Quite a few good tracks there
redwingz Luvin 'Be a Star', really good tune.
CorDharel Hey treasure! I listened to my track with your vocals for like 'i guess' 100 hours and I still find them awesome.

So don't be sad, i think it highers the difficulty of the whole comp a lil bit with more "out of generality" vocals
Synesthesia 100% agreed CorDharel, if the vocals are too good then they end up selling the track when it should be the other way round. The fact that these vocals were slightly different forced us into thinking harder about our tracks, which is a good thing.
choonland i really like potatofriend track. he didn't use all the vocals, but he managed to make them sound more happy and bouncing than the originals, which were kind of sad.
pretty neat tune!
Dain-Ja sexual
Serenity Potatofriend wouldn't have worked musically if they'd used all the vocals (minor key vs major), so I was quite thankful they didn't! I really enjoyed the happy take on it, but production-wise be_a_star and tracknumber512 were my favorites.
DJ Euphoric Fantastic tunes.
djbuzz1021 IS this still open for entries?
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by djbuzz1021:
IS this still open for entries?



No, sorry mate. Half a month too late. ;) Keep an eye out for the next one though!
katrinar50 yeh! First time on here for ages! I have voted! Good luck to you all and I look forward to the results!
djbuzz1021 Vote cast, some cracking tunes in there :)
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by katrinar50:
yeh! First time on here for ages! I have voted! Good luck to you all and I look forward to the results!



Hey. Hope you're doin OK. :)

Tie on 1st place. :p Gonna be a tight one for the leading two.
Jax my vote has been cast, suppose its obvious where it went to lol

i did like potatoe friend but its riffage sounds very familiar!
Entity couldn't decide which one I liked most all bloody good. ... nice vocal too!

Treasure Voted well done to you all :)
DJ-Intensity All the tunes posted are class :D
Dain-Ja 1st place: Be a Star (30 votes)
2nd place: Potato Friend (29 votes)
bulby_g 1st - Synesthesia - Be a Star
2nd - Influx - Potatofriend
3rd - Ionosphere - Sarabande
Joint 4th - Cordharel - Tracknumber512
Joint 4th - Bulby_G - Happycorecomp101
5th - DJ Fundabounce - Magical1
6th - Tommy Renegade - HHcore41
Joint 7th - Manuelf - Helloeverybody
Joint 7th - Ruroken - HHCdotcomrmxcomp

Big up guys and thanks to anyone who placed their vote.

Big thanks again to Hard2Get, Ionosphere, Treasure and Dain-Ja for all the time and effort spent getting things ready for this!




Dain-Ja Congrats to all!
Ionosphere
Congrats to Synesthesia for the win, to Influx for the closeness of second place

....and, a great big Thank You to Bulby_G for organising it all.

Well done.
.
Synesthesia Jeez that was a close finish! A BIG thankyou to everyone who voted :)

I have to say I thought Potatofriend was going to run away with it after the first week of voting, well done to Influx for producing such a great track.

Well done also to Ionosphere for (imo) the most original track.

And a big thankyou goes to Bulby for sorting the whole thing out.

Looking forward to the next one!

:)
Dain-Ja
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Jeez that was a close finish! A BIG thankyou to everyone who voted :)

I have to say I thought Potatofriend was going to run away with it after the first week of voting, well done to Influx for producing such a great track.

Well done also to Ionosphere for (imo) the most original track.

And a big thankyou goes to Bulby for sorting the whole thing out.

Looking forward to the next one!

:)



congrats on the win!
whispering
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
3rd Place is Ionosphere - Sarabande

Was my number 1, was actually thinking if it was Iono, since it had some smilaritys style wise to their previous tunes.
Future_Shock *tips hat to synesthesia*

well done mate. It was a close one.

There WILL be a rematch im sure ;)
bulby_g
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
....and, a great big Thank You to Bulby_G for organising it all.



:D Was good fun. Keep your eyes open for the next one. ;)

tommy_renegade well done everyone :)
Synesthesia
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
*tips hat to synesthesia*

well done mate. It was a close one.

There WILL be a rematch im sure ;)



haha, cheers mate ;) One thing I did want to ask is what software you used to pitch the vocals without affecting the formants, I've got an acapella that I wanna try that with.
Ken Masters WHEN'S THE NEXT ONE! WHEN'S THE NEXT ONE! i'll show you all:-P
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by narcotik:

WHEN'S THE NEXT ONE! WHEN'S THE NEXT ONE! i'll show you all:-P




Just make sure that you read the rules properly next time.
Future_Shock
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
*tips hat to synesthesia*

well done mate. It was a close one.

There WILL be a rematch im sure ;)



haha, cheers mate ;) One thing I did want to ask is what software you used to pitch the vocals without affecting the formants, I've got an acapella that I wanna try that with.



melodyne mate. Cant beat it for pitch editing ;)
bulby_g Had Cor' and Tommy's results back to front. Sorry about that guys!
ruroken Woot tied for last
Grats all, nice work and I'm looking forward to the next one.
Future_Shock
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
Potatofriend wouldn't have worked musically if they'd used all the vocals (minor key vs major), so I was quite thankful they didn't! I really enjoyed the happy take on it, but production-wise be_a_star and tracknumber512 were my favorites.



it didnt "work" musically to begin with.

I had to change some of the notes so it'd fit D major... or D# major i forget.... nah im pretty sure it was D major...
CorDharel oh great i am 4th place. much better than last time, where i was at last place

Next time i'll get you ionosphere *wink*
Ionosphere
quote:
Originally posted by CorDharel:

Next time i'll get you ionosphere *wink*




Good on ya. We like your attitude.

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