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 Wanna sound like Breeze & Styles?

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acidfluxxbass good sense of humour, Silver!

Meathead Butz i wanna mke wcked beatz lyk stylz n breez! Wherz da stylz n breez chopper vst?
TheOneNOnly And on another note:

The picture is creepy as hell.
silver
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
good sense of humour, Silver!




huh?
Meathead
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
And on another note:

The picture is creepy as hell.



Breeze uses it everywhere. I think he has an unhealthy attacthment to it
Smoogie If I wanted to make dated sounding Hardcore from 2005 then why not? But I chose to listen to real Hardcore from the 90s which although is even more 'dated' it is real Hardcore!

*listens to an Old Skool mix which is ripped from a 90s tape*
Project-Industrial
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Originally posted by silver:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
good sense of humour, Silver!




huh?



index page silver :P the headline u gave to the news article
Meathead
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
If I wanted to make dated sounding Hardcore from 2005 then why not?



Why do that when you can make dated posts instead.....
acidfluxxbass
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Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:
Originally posted by Smoogie:
If I wanted to make dated sounding Hardcore from 2005 then why not?



Why do that when you can make dated posts instead.....



no but, he's right....

most hardcore is far more sophistacted than breeze...
MAtRiCks
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:
Originally posted by Smoogie:
If I wanted to make dated sounding Hardcore from 2005 then why not?



Why do that when you can make dated posts instead.....



no but, he's right....

most hardcore is far more sophistacted than breeze...



Judging by the tastes he expresses with the numerous videos he posted and keeps posting, Smoogie definitely isn't after sophistication in his Hardcore.

As for myself, if I feel like listening to sophisticated music, I don't think I'll be listening to Hardcore either. To each his own I guess, but I like Breeze's banging beats!

We already see a lot of producers trying so hard to achieve Breeze's clean and powerful production style, I guess this will help them? :P I don't really care though, since the real artists out there define themselves with their own style.
Smoogie
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Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Judging by the tastes he expresses with the numerous videos he posted and keeps posting, Smoogie definitely isn't after sophistication in his Hardcore.

As for myself, if I feel like listening to sophisticated music, I don't think I'll be listening to Hardcore either. To each his own I guess, but I like Breeze's banging beats!

We already see a lot of producers trying so hard to achieve Breeze's clean and powerful production style, I guess this will help them? :P I don't really care though, since the real artists out there define themselves with their own style.



Whats wrong with the tunes I like?
acidfluxxbass Well, Breeze, nor Styles for that matter really go the extra distance to add some great effects to their tunes... Producers like the ones featured on HU4 will create euphoric breakdowns and add all sorts of samples and atmospheric effects to their music, to make it sound better...

All I hear in style's or breeze's stuff is a kick drum, other percussions, a bassline and a melody..


I want to compare these two tracks: Darwin - Electric Pulsedrive (as featured on Crush On Hardcore) VS Darren Styles - Sorry
VERSUS

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or maybe...

Hattrixx Mertype - Lifetime Of Wickedness VS Re-Con - The Power
VERSUS
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or Al storm vs Bang! - Flowers needs the rain VS Styles - Flashlight
VERSUS


To me, it sounds like the more underground artists have spent hours more int he studio working on their tracks...

It takes a brave person to try and defend this point, imo...

MAtRiCks
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:
Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Judging by the tastes he expresses with the numerous videos he posted and keeps posting, Smoogie definitely isn't after sophistication in his Hardcore.

As for myself, if I feel like listening to sophisticated music, I don't think I'll be listening to Hardcore either. To each his own I guess, but I like Breeze's banging beats!

We already see a lot of producers trying so hard to achieve Breeze's clean and powerful production style, I guess this will help them? :P I don't really care though, since the real artists out there define themselves with their own style.



Whats wrong with the tunes I like?



Nothing! I don't think simplicity is wrong in any way, and those terrordome style tracks sure are nothing too sophisticated. If it hits the spot, all the better!

As for acidfluxxbass, I understand what you mean, but I like all the tracks you just used as examples, so I don't see the point in comparing them. I agree that some tracks are way more elaborate than others, but it doesn't necessarily makes them better either. It definitely helps, but a good, catchy, yet simple melody can work magic too.

I usually like very melodic-oriented music... For example, even a terribly intricate and elaborate Finnish Freeform track probably won't do anything for me if the chord progressions and the melody aren't the main focus.

All that many hours in the studio surely aren't that necessary if the gift of the musician lies in it's writing skills. Some artists are great engineers and can do magic with their equipments, whilst others seem to have far more talent for inventing uplifting and euphoric melodies, like Breeze & Styles!

I guess it's good that some people can have access to sample-packs like the one we're on about, but it won't give anybody the writing skills necessary to come up with an anthem.
Dain-Ja
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Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:
Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:
Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Judging by the tastes he expresses with the numerous videos he posted and keeps posting, Smoogie definitely isn't after sophistication in his Hardcore.

As for myself, if I feel like listening to sophisticated music, I don't think I'll be listening to Hardcore either. To each his own I guess, but I like Breeze's banging beats!

We already see a lot of producers trying so hard to achieve Breeze's clean and powerful production style, I guess this will help them? :P I don't really care though, since the real artists out there define themselves with their own style.



Whats wrong with the tunes I like?


I usually like very melodic-oriented music... For example, even a terribly intricate and elaborate Finnish Freeform track probably won't do anything for me if the chord progressions and the melody aren't the main focus.

All that many hours in the studio surely aren't that necessary if the gift of the musician lies in it's writing skills. Some artists are great engineers and can do magic with their equipments, whilst others seem to have far more talent for inventing uplifting and euphoric melodies, like Breeze & Styles!



Exactly.
And acidfluxxbass' post is funny. The first Darwin track he posted actually reminds me of the Breeze & Styles sound of 2004.

Styles and Breeze use pretty much all the same effects as 'underground' artists like Darwin, they just do it more subtly. You'd be surprised how 'produced' their tunes really are.

It's a very "newbie" producer thing to have very obvious effects and excessive complexity. They key is to have complex music that seems simple (and is therefore catchy).

And before you rip on my post, Darwin is probably my favourite producer.
acidfluxxbass
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:
Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:
Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Judging by the tastes he expresses with the numerous videos he posted and keeps posting, Smoogie definitely isn't after sophistication in his Hardcore.

As for myself, if I feel like listening to sophisticated music, I don't think I'll be listening to Hardcore either. To each his own I guess, but I like Breeze's banging beats!

We already see a lot of producers trying so hard to achieve Breeze's clean and powerful production style, I guess this will help them? :P I don't really care though, since the real artists out there define themselves with their own style.



Whats wrong with the tunes I like?


I usually like very melodic-oriented music... For example, even a terribly intricate and elaborate Finnish Freeform track probably won't do anything for me if the chord progressions and the melody aren't the main focus.

All that many hours in the studio surely aren't that necessary if the gift of the musician lies in it's writing skills. Some artists are great engineers and can do magic with their equipments, whilst others seem to have far more talent for inventing uplifting and euphoric melodies, like Breeze & Styles!



Exactly.
And acidfluxxbass' post is funny. The first Darwin track he posted actually reminds me of the Breeze & Styles sound of 2004.

Styles and Breeze use pretty much all the same effects as 'underground' artists like Darwin, they just do it more subtly. You'd be surprised how 'produced' their tunes really are.

It's a very "newbie" producer thing to have very obvious effects and excessive complexity. They key is to have complex music that seems simple (and is therefore catchy).

And before you rip on my post, Darwin is probably my favourite producer.



so your saying that Darren Styles - sorry is as complex as Darwin - Electric Pulsedrive .... =|
Leto No, he's saying that overt complexity does not necessarily correlate with hours in the studio. He is rightly stating that there is a lot more than one can easily hear that goes into making a solid, "minimal" track.
acidfluxxbass well, in that case I can only defend my tastes... I generally prefer music with more happening and more atmosphere than simplicity..
silver I don't think you should comment on a sample pack if you are not a producer:p
Meathead Back to the sample pack then. Who's willing to bet it's nothing but VEC samples renamed and in a different "Styles & Breeze Extreme Hardcore" packaging?
acidfluxxbass
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Back to the sample pack then. Who's willing to bet it's nothing but VEC samples renamed and in a different "Styles & Breeze Extreme Hardcore" packaging?



£10er
Trimms I guarantee its worth pirating at the least... who doesn't want to add tools to their toolbox? It's called audio editing, and I'm sure these are some fine samples. You're only limiting yourself by not at the least previewing it.
Also it is okay to defend your tastes but to laugh at this sample pack before you have even looked into it is just silly. These guys know what they're doing, or they wouldn't be famous. It is okay to be famous in this genre, did you know that? Even if the fame reaches outside of internet message boards, that's okay too!
Dain-Ja
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Back to the sample pack then. Who's willing to bet it's nothing but VEC samples renamed and in a different "Styles & Breeze Extreme Hardcore" packaging?



Based on the samples I heard, it's a pretty weak pack... But I'm sure there's some gold in it.

CiALiN
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
Back to the sample pack then. Who's willing to bet it's nothing but VEC samples renamed and in a different "Styles & Breeze Extreme Hardcore" packaging?



Based on the samples I heard, it's a pretty weak pack... But I'm sure there's some gold in it.





i agree there always will be something useful...maybe some nice shhhhhhhhnnnnares

Hard2Get
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
Back to the sample pack then. Who's willing to bet it's nothing but VEC samples renamed and in a different "Styles & Breeze Extreme Hardcore" packaging?



Based on the samples I heard, it's a pretty weak pack... But I'm sure there's some gold in it.





Depends entirely on the producer. Samples alone have nothing intrinsic about them that can make them either be good or bad samples, it's purely what can be done with them.
Jackol In response to the thread title,
NO
Dain-Ja
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
Back to the sample pack then. Who's willing to bet it's nothing but VEC samples renamed and in a different "Styles & Breeze Extreme Hardcore" packaging?



Based on the samples I heard, it's a pretty weak pack... But I'm sure there's some gold in it.





Depends entirely on the producer. Samples alone have nothing intrinsic about them that can make them either be good or bad samples, it's purely what can be done with them.



Actually, yeah there is plenty that can be bad: noisy, overcompressed, badly EQ'd, big reverb tail, layered with random sounds, etc.
Triquatra that could be the "sample" your after!

..specially if you were making some glitch or somthing..

personally
"noisy_overcompressed_badly_EQd_big_reverb_tail_layered_with_random_sounds.wav" is one of my favorite samples to use in some of my more obscure ambient tracks..
though i tend to place some more reverb on it and lower its volume, the sound of dieing chicken tends to be a little obtruse..

*additition*
in answer to the topic title, "no thankyou, unless we're talkin pre-2000 :P"
Smoogie Simple is good...



Now what sounds more like Hardcore & more like club tunes?

Most Upfront Uk Hardcore soundes dated and same as 2005 anyway, so there is no 'new' style of Hardcore. Might as well all listen to Old Skool anyway!
Meathead Is there an ignore feature on this forum?
Hard2Get
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
Back to the sample pack then. Who's willing to bet it's nothing but VEC samples renamed and in a different "Styles & Breeze Extreme Hardcore" packaging?



Based on the samples I heard, it's a pretty weak pack... But I'm sure there's some gold in it.





Depends entirely on the producer. Samples alone have nothing intrinsic about them that can make them either be good or bad samples, it's purely what can be done with them.



Actually, yeah there is plenty that can be bad: noisy, overcompressed, badly EQ'd, big reverb tail, layered with random sounds, etc.


It might not be ideal but it's not going to limit someone that actually has skill.
MAtRiCks
quote:
Originally posted by Smoogie:
Most Upfront Uk Hardcore soundes dated and same as 2005 anyway, so there is no 'new' style of Hardcore. Might as well all listen to Old Skool anyway!



You and your obsession with 2005! So random.
Shades
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
Is there an ignore feature on this forum?



LMFAO

+ REP ( oooops wrong forum lol )
acidfluxxbass
quote:
Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
Is there an ignore feature on this forum?



LMFAO

+ REP ( oooops wrong forum lol )




+rep? int that filefront?
Trimms lol @ ignore bit.
Shades
quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
+rep? int that filefront?



*whispers HardcoreProducer.org*

Meathead
quote:
Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
+rep? int that filefront?



*whispers HardcoreProducer.org*





Sh!!! The first rule of HP is we don't talk about HP!!! :p
acidfluxxbass
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:
Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
+rep? int that filefront?



*whispers HardcoreProducer.org*





Sh!!! The first rule of HP is we don't talk about HP!!! :p



wow! im totally signing up and never coming back!
caio!!
Meathead
quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:
Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
+rep? int that filefront?



*whispers HardcoreProducer.org*





Sh!!! The first rule of HP is we don't talk about HP!!! :p



wow! im totally signing up and never coming back!
caio!!



Now look what you've done shades!!! ;)

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