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Relish includes

Hixxy B2B Squad-e

:)
silver Wouldn't doubt it if it worked out that way.
warped_candykid oh, I like Squad-E, but I will have to pass if the cd isnt even above 170bpm, we will just have to see how all the cds sound!
jack5724 Wiked, i love bonkers!
Mansy I think a disc being mixed by hixxy & squad-e would be good and im sure it will be above 170 bpm :), has anyone heard any confirmation on the DJs who will be mixing it.
Sk8SiM
quote:
Originally posted by Relish:
includes

Hixxy B2B Squad-e

:)

Shocking!
Uproar
quote:
Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
quote:
Originally posted by Relish:
includes

Hixxy B2B Squad-e

:)

Shocking!





I concur.
J.T.S Why wouldn't the cd be more than 170bpm???
Mansy
quote:
Originally posted by J.T.S:
Why wouldn't the cd be more than 170bpm???




Warped Canykid just said "but I will have to pass if the cd isnt even above 170bpm"

i dont think its even classed as hardcore if it is below 170bpm :S
Da Cunney Bugz bonkers is a dying breed, the next one wont be that far off from the likes of clubland extreme
bulby_g Squad-E has not done enough within the scene to deserve a spot on bonkers. So many decent DJ's have been overlooked over the years and this average guy who's not doing/done anything special gets on a disk... Pffft.
Cotts I was just thinking about when this was going to happen. I bought bonkers 16 today actually and I must say the only good disc is Sharkey & Clsm. Thats such an awesome cd, its killer!!
Smoogie
quote:
Originally posted by Cotts:
I was just thinking about when this was going to happen. I bought bonkers 16 today actually and I must say the only good disc is Sharkey & Clsm. Thats such an awesome cd, its killer!!



I agree!
whittle1
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Squad-E has not done enough within the scene to deserve a spot on bonkers.



TBH, that is very true.
Same could have been said about Kutski though i guess.
clarke101
quote:
Originally posted by whittle1:
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Squad-E has not done enough within the scene to deserve a spot on bonkers.



TBH, that is very true.
Same could have been said about Kutski though i guess.



Kutski was used by Sharkey as a scratch dj only to add something extra to his cd. He didnt do anything except add some scratching after it was mixed.

Kutski has done more hardcore than the donk tastic Squad-E
warped_candykid I just dont like Hardcore when its on the slower side. Brisk is one of my fav. DJs. His mixes are almost always fast.
nasen Well...Bonkers eh?

First of all , Sy needs to do a mix of current tunes as he hasn't done that since Bonkers 6.

As always , Sharkey should mix by himself as he always delivers. But I'd love to see him & Hixxy back together for a mix.

Scott Brown I'd like to see mixing with Neophyte again. 15 was just awesome.

Impact + UFO would be another good mix.

And Brisk + Hixxy wouldn't be bad either.

I just hope there's none of this 'best of' or 'retro' mixes as they don't bring anything new to the series.

Nitrostatic I agree with the other guy that Brisk ALWAYS delivers. I hope he does a mix on the next Bonkers
Dj ANIL When is the date that its coming out ?
novaboy i want luna c! i really dont mind with squad e on it, it doesnt bother me at all, i think it will be great.. @ candykid, i doubt it will be even under 175, squad e plays faster stuff, i have heard 160 bpm hardcore.. shocking!.. maybe brisk should be on bonkers?
paul-1 I really hope bonkers doesn't go the way of other Cd's and bring out a special Unmixed disc or full length, don't like them

I'd like to see

Cd 1- Hixxy & Dougal

Cd 2- Sharkey & K-Complex (Scratching from Kutski again)

Cd 3- Scott Brown & Evil Activites

Cd 4- Gammer & Brisk

I'd really like to see Gammer have a mix without Dougal

I think Hixxy and Dougal could be quite interesting paring them back up

Chew I would like to see

Hixxy & Re-Con
Joey Riot & Kurt
Scott Brown & Evil Activities
Brisk & Vagabond.

Its extremely unlikely that would ever happen but it would be mental if it did.
Da Cunney Bugz would be a fine cd ^ ;)

cant see kurt ever geting a shot at it though and if he did we'd all be gutted as it would all be commercial bollocks
Lilley
quote:
Originally posted by _nova_:
i want luna c! i really dont mind with squad e on it, it doesnt bother me at all, i think it will be great.. @ candykid, i doubt it will be even under 175, squad e plays faster stuff, i have heard 160 bpm hardcore.. shocking!.. maybe brisk should be on bonkers?



i wouldnt care wot speed luna-c plays if he does a cd. he plays all over the shop anyway
Ghetto_smurf420 Word Brisk Is The Bomb
Uproar A Hardcore Breaks mix would be exquisite.
marky b I LOVE BONKERS LIVE ON BONKERS HARDCORE TIL I DIE
Jay-Owen
quote:
Originally posted by Da Cunney Bugz:
bonkers is a dying breed, the next one wont be that far off from the likes of clubland extreme



I was gonna say I thought bonkers was dying out
redwingz i love bonkers, i thought sharkey, clsm and kutski on 16 was the best sharkey c.d ever! there are sum absoloute tunes onthat, that i wish i cud get on vinyl.

as for the new one, id love them to go back to 4 disks, i really want them 2 pull out all the stops 4 this one, if only to show ppl that bonkers is still the best, most original and 1st major hardcore compilation. not every1 will like 17, but thats the way it goes.

Hixxy and Sharkey (could be interesting)
CLSM and Cube::Hard (would be the best freeform c.d ever)
Joey Riot and Kevin Energy (i just like them both lol)
Scott Brown and Nosferatu (i think evil activites or neophyte wud use songs that we already have heard)
Lilley
quote:
Hixxy and Sharkey (could be interesting)

ooh yuck. massive cheese and freeform? nooo thanks
quote:
CLSM and Cube::Hard (would be the best freeform c.d ever)

If the word is right its bye bye Cube::Hard
quote:
Joey Riot and Kevin Energy (i just like them both lol)

hmm maybe. KE and K-Complex would be better *nods*
quote:
Scott Brown and Nosferatu (i think evil activites or neophyte wud use songs that we already have heard)

Scott Brown wouldnt use a track you havnt heard, noo never. I cant listen to gabber for more than half an hour before going insane

novaboy cubehard is goooooone..
redwingz ok not sure how i missed that, but what happenned to cubehard?
Lilley its in the hardcore underground 2 thread
novaboy he hates hardcore apparently.. was one of the most talented if not THE most, im sure his contribution will not be missed.
Hyper Knight Oh wicked! Love Bonkers 13. Looking forward to this one!!! =D
howie_htid i have all 17 bonkers and i honestly fink they've gone well downhill us lately. bonkers 9,10 & 11 were awesome i thought, dint mind 14 either.

if there gona do another bonkers they shud have mark eg b2b gammer techno disc, scott brown b2b hixxy disc and sharkey brb clsm disc.. tht wud be heavy!! they could even make it 4 cds again and have a dougal & sy old skool disc
dj switchback As far as i've heard it's

Hixxy & Re-Con
Sharkey & Kevin Energy
Scott Brown & Brisk


We'll soon find out though , that's all i'm saying. ;)
mart887 Brisk with Scott Brown would be awesome.
Meph751
quote:
Originally posted by mart887:
Brisk with Scott Brown would be awesome.



take out the scott brown and i'd be inclined to agree
novaboy hixx and recon.... *sigh*...
Lilley im liking the look of sharkey and kevin energy
lil_miz_piss_ed how can u nt lyk hardcore i LOVE it xxx
DJ Lawlzy
quote:
Originally posted by Hyper Knight:
Oh wicked! Love Bonkers 13. Looking forward to this one!!! =D


seconded.

DJ Lawlzy
quote:
Originally posted by whittle1:
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Squad-E has not done enough within the scene to deserve a spot on bonkers.



TBH, that is very true.
Same could have been said about Kutski though i guess.



True, but is it just me or is there a lot of artists on Bonkers 17 that I've never heard of before.

chappy_hardcore Brisk, i don't know about that, Brisk and Vagabond's tracks are rubbish!

Ham's the best thing out of Next Gen and Blatant Beats, i don't like the stopmy kind of beat from B&V tracks.

Brisk on his own? Well? I'll have to listen.
Craigavon raver
quote:
Originally posted by howie_htid:
i have all 17 bonkers and i honestly fink they've gone well downhill us lately. bonkers 9,10 & 11 were awesome i thought, dint mind 14 either.

if there gona do another bonkers they shud have mark eg b2b gammer techno disc, scott brown b2b hixxy disc and sharkey brb clsm disc.. tht wud be heavy!! they could even make it 4 cds again and have a dougal & sy old skool disc




bull shite,**** techno u wanker
wong whats the point in callin someone a wanker cus they like techno? i like linkin park, does that make me a wanker cus its not hardcore?
DJ Hellfury
quote:
Brisk with Scott Brown would be awesome.


yeah, and some new brisk & scott brown tunes like back & forth and its my personally nonplusultra highlight in 2008
stray Id like to see the DJs mixing with someone out of their comfort zone. Give me something Hixxy Vs Neophyte.
Lilley
quote:
Originally posted by wong:
whats the point in callin someone a wanker cus they like techno? i like linkin park, does that make me a wanker cus its not hardcore?



yes
oliecanlett ye i hope it is above 170bpm! raver baby is SO scouse. recon, squad-e, chris henry. i herd resist music hase gone bust mind you, so who will release it?
d A n i
quote:
Originally posted by stray:
Id like to see the DJs mixing with someone out of their comfort zone. Give me something Hixxy Vs Neophyte.



ahaha .. i'd like to hear that ..
DannyCostello I thought Bonkers 15 was a near perfect formula
Hixxy & Re-con did well imo
Sharkey & Marc Smith were brilliant, some absolute beasts on that cd
Scott Brown & Neophyte was a bit inbetween but decent, i liked it
Dougal & Gammer, possibly one of my favourite bonkers mixes ever.
I would like to see Brisk in there somewhere, and possibly CLSM/Cube::Hard
DJ Hellfury my fav. djs would be:

cd1: hixxy & re-con (like bonkers 15)
cd2: sharkey & k-complex
cd3: scott brown & brisk
cd4: gammer & evil activities & dreadhed

but @ 185bpm, anything else is too slow for me
gamerraver5988
quote:
Originally posted by wong:
whats the point in callin someone a wanker cus they like techno? i like linkin park, does that make me a wanker cus its not hardcore?



dude linkin park is the shit and i dont get wtf is going on but im in class and bored
pinkdevil16 love squad-e and hixxy so if this is rite wil defo be getin that album
lloydeb
quote:
Originally posted by Lilley:
im liking the look of sharkey and kevin energy



i 2nd that just got revolutions ep from boot 50p if u look you will find it
pinkdevil16
quote:
Originally posted by Chew:
I would like to see

Hixxy & Re-Con
Joey Riot & Kurt
Scott Brown & Evil Activities
Brisk & Vagabond.

Its extremely unlikely that would ever happen but it would be mental if it did.



that would be a f***ing amazing album

Watson. I'd be more than happy if they kept the same lineup from the last tbh.
djmakio Need to see orbit 1 on some cd's if you ask me
lozowen
quote:
Originally posted by Mansy:
I think a disc being mixed by hixxy & squad-e would be good and im sure it will be above 170 bpm :), has anyone heard any confirmation on the DJs who will be mixing it.



if ya listen to squad-e's live sets he's always mixin at high tempo so im in no doubt it will be above 170??
lozowen
quote:
Originally posted by oliecanlett:
ye i hope it is above 170bpm! raver baby is SO scouse. recon, squad-e, chris henry. i herd resist music hase gone bust mind you, so who will release it?



aatw bought the rights to bonkers
Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by pinkdevil16:
quote:
Originally posted by Chew:
I would like to see

Hixxy & Re-Con
Joey Riot & Kurt
Scott Brown & Evil Activities
Brisk & Vagabond.

Its extremely unlikely that would ever happen but it would be mental if it did.



that would be a f***ing amazing album






that would suck balls - wheres the freeform???
bonkers is supposed to be a showcase of different types of hardcore. all you've got their is UK hardcore, Gabber, and shitty bounce/clublandcore.
acidfluxxbass my ideal bonkers comp.

al storm & kurt

brisk & ham

scott brown & evil acticities

sharkey & kev energy
DJ-Intensity Next Bonkers CD choices are tough but in my opinion these are the DJS who should mix the CDs. Al Storm & Euphony CD 1 CD 2 Brisk & Ham hopefully the choons last a bit longer CD 3 Darwin & Cube::Hard last but not least CD 4 Fracus & Nu Foundation.
Trimms I don't care who mixes it as long as CLSM is on there and Hixxy makes song choices the way he did back in the day.
tru bass i dont care who they put on it..

surprise me...

but you better keep the vibe of what bonkers is meant to be
ChrisDale
quote:
i dont care who they put on it..

surprise me...

but you better keep the vibe of what bonkers is meant to be



agreed
pinkdevil16 Whens it coming anyway? everyone has been talkin bout it for ages but theres no official news yet is there?
ChrisDale
quote:
Whens it coming anyway? everyone has been talkin bout it for ages but theres no official news yet is there?


duno, its just a matter of time
silver My gut tells me this is bonkers 18...

Seduction & Al Storm
Scott Brown & Gammer (or Marc Smith)
Sharkey & Marc Smith (or Kevin Energy)

Possibly even "hosted by whizzkid and storm"

Maybe a sy and unknown thrown in for good measure...

Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
My gut tells me this is bonkers 18...

Seduction & Al Storm
Scott Brown & Gammer (or Marc Smith)
Sharkey & Marc Smith (or Kevin Energy)

Possibly even "hosted by whizzkid and storm"

Maybe a sy and unknown thrown in for good measure...





i was alright with that until you said "hosted by whizzkid and storm"

please dear god keep the MCs at raves and off cds! (no offense MC's)
Craigavon raver these r the bonkers 18 dj,s storm,sharkey and scott brown,well just my predictions

last summer i said they would be hixxy,sharkey and scott brown,but as silver said in another topic hixxy,breeze r styles won,t be involved,and every 1 knows sharkeys involved and i think mr brown will b still there as well,so we turn 2 storm who i think will replace hixxy as i just remembered hes now signed up 2 raverbaby,and in a previous topic about 4 months ago somebody came on the forum from ush and said storm wouldn,t b invovled,and low and behold the very next reply was from al himself and he said "i didn,t say i wasn,t on it i just said stop spreading rumours"and then a few months ago i read an interveiw wiyh kutski and at the end of the interview it mentioned a new track by kutski and storm which would feature on the new bonkers cd

so there u have it the djs 4 the new bonkers cd and u heard it here first!

even though silver ruined it 4 me a wee bit in the previous post lol
FingazMc
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
My gut tells me this is bonkers 18...

Seduction & Al Storm
Scott Brown & Gammer (or Marc Smith)
Sharkey & Marc Smith (or Kevin Energy)

Possibly even "hosted by whizzkid and storm"

Maybe a sy and unknown thrown in for good measure...





As much as i love Storm and Whizzkid i prey they dont host Bonkers.
Bonkers is a winning formula it doesent need to mixed up.
It'd be messing with tradition in my eyes.
latininxtc
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
My gut tells me this is bonkers 18...

Seduction & Al Storm
Scott Brown & Gammer (or Marc Smith)
Sharkey & Marc Smith (or Kevin Energy)

Possibly even "hosted by whizzkid and storm"

Maybe a sy and unknown thrown in for good measure...





i was alright with that until you said "hosted by whizzkid and storm"

please dear god keep the MCs at raves and off cds! (no offense MC's)



screw it! offend them! personally from some of the live mixes I have heard I find MCs rather irritating many times. let the DJ be the MC, since they won't b saying much anyways since they'll be too busy doing the mixes, which is what i think really matters in a rave. but then again i haven't been 2 a hardcore rave so for all i know i'll love MCs if i ever went 2 one now.

but I think in place of hixxy, they might put Re-Con in there, especially since he has been in many of the AATW projects already.
Rayovac Well that tiny, tiny little gleam of hope that hixxy won't be on hath been squashed. And dear god, please no MCs...

All in all though, I'm fine as long as it's the Bonkers we've come to know and love. Hopefully AATW won't screw up anything.
Triquatra i have to agree, i hope they dont put mc's over the top of the music...
latininxtc
quote:
Originally posted by Rayovac:
Well that tiny, tiny little gleam of hope that hixxy won't be on hath been squashed. And dear god, please no MCs...

All in all though, I'm fine as long as it's the Bonkers we've come to know and love. Hopefully AATW won't screw up anything.



what? hixxy will be on the next bonkers? you have a link for your source?
iano Hopefully

Seduction & Gammer CD1
Sharkey & CLSM CD 2
Scott Brown & Neophyte CD3

I can only hope :)
Rayovac
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:
Originally posted by Rayovac:
Well that tiny, tiny little gleam of hope that hixxy won't be on hath been squashed. And dear god, please no MCs...

All in all though, I'm fine as long as it's the Bonkers we've come to know and love. Hopefully AATW won't screw up anything.



what? hixxy will be on the next bonkers? you have a link for your source?


Well it's very likely that he will be.
SPOOX I would like this line up on a 4 disc album.

Disc 1: Brisk & Ham
Disc 2: Sharkey & Kevin Energy
Disc 3: Ramos, Supreme, Sunset Regime
Disc 4: Slipmatt (Old Skool & Rave Breaks Mix)
tru bass
quote:
Originally posted by SPOOX:
I would like this line up on a 4 disc album.

Disc 1: Brisk & Ham
Disc 2: Sharkey & Kevin Energy
Disc 3: Ramos, Supreme, Sunset Regime
Disc 4: Slipmatt (Old Skool & Rave Breaks Mix)






im sorry but id rather have rankin do a cd than them
SPOOX
quote:
Originally posted by tru bass:
quote:
Originally posted by SPOOX:
I would like this line up on a 4 disc album.

Disc 1: Brisk & Ham
Disc 2: Sharkey & Kevin Energy
Disc 3: Ramos, Supreme, Sunset Regime
Disc 4: Slipmatt (Old Skool & Rave Breaks Mix)






im sorry but id rather have rankin do a cd than them



Why? Whats wrong with them? How long have you heard of them for?
tru bass
quote:
Originally posted by SPOOX:

Why? Whats wrong with them? How long have you heard of them for?



their cds on true hardcore were absolutely terrible..

how long have i head of them for? whats that got to do with anything.

they are rubbish now IMO so their past has no effect on how good they currently are

SPOOX
quote:
Originally posted by tru bass:
quote:
Originally posted by SPOOX:

Why? Whats wrong with them? How long have you heard of them for?



their cds on true hardcore were absolutely terrible..

how long have i head of them for? whats that got to do with anything.

they are rubbish now IMO so their past has no effect on how good they currently are





Just as i thought. Someone else who knows nothing about when Hardcore was at its best. I started listening to them in 93-94 & have always enjoyed their sets. They have released some pretty decent choons too.
lozowen
quote:
Originally posted by tru bass:
quote:
Originally posted by SPOOX:

Why? Whats wrong with them? How long have you heard of them for?



their cds on true hardcore were absolutely terrible..

how long have i head of them for? whats that got to do with anything.

they are rubbish now IMO so their past has no effect on how good they currently are





i dont agree with you at all, i thought there were quite a few good tracks on their cd on true hardcore 2, i'd like to see the following lineup on bonkers 18:

CD1: Gammer & Orbit1
CD2: Brisk, Kurt & Fracus
CD3: Sharkey, Marc Smith & Kevin Energy
CD4: Joey Riot, Al Storm & Darwin
tru bass
quote:
Originally posted by SPOOX:
quote:
Originally posted by tru bass:
quote:
Originally posted by SPOOX:

Why? Whats wrong with them? How long have you heard of them for?



their cds on true hardcore were absolutely terrible..

how long have i head of them for? whats that got to do with anything.

they are rubbish now IMO so their past has no effect on how good they currently are





Just as i thought. Someone else who knows nothing about when Hardcore was at its best. I started listening to them in 93-94 & have always enjoyed their sets. They have released some pretty decent choons too.



can you read?

I dont give a shit if they were the best artist ever back in the day.. atm they are shite so i wouldnt want a cd by them.
SPOOX
quote:
Originally posted by tru bass:
quote:
Originally posted by SPOOX:
quote:
Originally posted by tru bass:
quote:
Originally posted by SPOOX:

Why? Whats wrong with them? How long have you heard of them for?



their cds on true hardcore were absolutely terrible..

how long have i head of them for? whats that got to do with anything.

they are rubbish now IMO so their past has no effect on how good they currently are





Just as i thought. Someone else who knows nothing about when Hardcore was at its best. I started listening to them in 93-94 & have always enjoyed their sets. They have released some pretty decent choons too.



can you read?

I dont give a shit if they were the best artist ever back in the day.. atm they are shite so i wouldnt want a cd by them.



I never meant it to sound nasty. I was just making my point that i personally think they would be a good change to the usual same people on Bonkers. This sight is so full of people who only know Hardcore from 2002 up. At least the choons didn't all sound the same back in the day.
Skidzorz Must...not...bitch...at...oldskoolfags/vets...who...are...arrogant...beyond...all...belief...and...think...that...just...because...they...think...the...old...hardcore...was...better...that...it...is...fact...ROAR!!!

lozowen
quote:
Originally posted by Skidzorz:
Must...not...bitch...at...oldskoolfags/vets...who...are...arrogant...beyond...all...belief...and...think...that...just...because...they...think...the...old...hardcore...was...better...that...it...is...fact...ROAR!!!





bahaha
MAtRiCks
quote:
Originally posted by Skidzorz:
Must...not...bitch...at...oldskoolfags/vets...who...are...arrogant...beyond...all...belief...and...think...that...just...because...they...think...the...old...hardcore...was...better...that...it...is...fact...ROAR!!!


Wow, You summed up my feeling perfectly, and managed not to say it! I admire you ;) This site quite a few users who seem to have stopped paying attention to new Hardcore in 2002 and think it all sounds the same, and on the other hand so many new users who have yet to discover the classics, It's like a clash of the generations!

I hope Supreme and Sunset Regime remains on True Hardcore... They're already hit or miss for me on there, I think releasing on more albums might lead to more filler tracks.
latininxtc
quote:
Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:
Originally posted by Skidzorz:
Must...not...bitch...at...oldskoolfags/vets...who...are...arrogant...beyond...all...belief...and...think...that...just...because...they...think...the...old...hardcore...was...better...that...it...is...fact...ROAR!!!


Wow, You summed up my feeling perfectly, and managed not to say it! I admire you ;) This site quite a few users who seem to have stopped paying attention to new Hardcore in 2002 and think it all sounds the same, and on the other hand so many new users who have yet to discover the classics, It's like a clash of the generations!

I hope Supreme and Sunset Regime remains on True Hardcore... They're already hit or miss for me on there, I think releasing on more albums might lead to more filler tracks.



yea no chance in hell that happening. true hardcore is done for i think the company making the series went bankrupt. and as far as their mix goes on those, it wasn't that good. yes their older stuff was better, but truthfully they are better at producing than DJing. so i don't want that combo on the new bonkers.

and since CXH seems to only come out once a year, then yea it is plausible that hixxy will return back to bonkers. but i still hope that won't happen. i'd love 2 see darwin on the next bonkers he is still amazing
dyjy_dj cd 1. gammer & joey riot
cd 2. sharkey & k complex
cd 3. scott brown & angerfist or tommy knocker

think its time to try something new. get some killer artists in that have never featured on a bonkers before.
plus if your really determined to have a raver baby disc then get al storm. **** hixxy.
lozowen
quote:
Originally posted by dyjy_dj:

plus if your really determined to have a raver baby disc then get al storm. **** hixxy.




you know that
Xanergy The first Bonkers I ever heard was XI: Forevolution. It was the first cd I had ever bought and it was the first hardcore I had ever heard. I am very new to the hardcore scene but even so, I have heard my fair share and I am continuing to listen. None of the Bonkers cds I've heard since my first have disappointed me. Again, I understand that there is way more for me to learn since I am so new to all this. But I think the fact that Bonkers could be around for so long shows that at least someone likes what they're doing.

Whatever happens on the next cd, I'm sure it will be excellent. No matter if you like or dislike Bonkers, they're still pumping out productions and that should be a point noted, and appreciated by all Hardcore listeners.

I can't wait for the next set =)
Sweet As I would love to see DJ Seduction do a disc on Bonkers. One of the only big names that has been around for years and never done a set on Bonkers. He's very underated. Or even Slipmatt and Billy Bunter would be good.

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