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 *Breaking* Sharkey Album!!!

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Claxton Forthcoming on HU this summer :D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D

Just announced by Fracus on the HU show.
Samination ... I... wont... buy... it... for... principel... sake... oh **** it. I actually hope the tracklist is good, considering how many CD the album was originally going to be.
Beeferchiefer YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY

I won't hold my breath. I'll wait to see it to believe it, but all the same,

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY

I thought it was the case because of the subtle hints that have been dropped around here lately. ;)
Hard2Get
quote:
... I... wont... buy... it... for... principel... sake...

You're only hurting yourself lol.
CDJay "I won't hold my breath. I'll wait to see it to believe it,"

The difference, this time, is *I* am making it happen.

Have faith. There's a bunch of stuff to get done first, before this gets fully underway but rest assured it will happen and be great.

It has to happen, really, doesn't it. The amount of unreleased material, and a truly stunning legacy, deserves and demands so.

CDJay @ Making Dreams Come True Since 2006 Inc.
DJ Hellfury
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
"I won't hold my breath. I'll wait to see it to believe it,"

The difference, this time, is *I* am making it happen.

Have faith. There's a bunch of stuff to get done first, before this gets fully underway but rest assured it will happen and be great.

It has to happen, really, doesn't it. The amount of unreleased material, and a truly stunning legacy, deserves and demands so.

CDJay @ Making Dreams Come True Since 2006 Inc.



You deserve a medal, srsly.
I will buy this album no matter what.
Samination any details you can share with us? like how many tracks?
Beeferchiefer
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
"I won't hold my breath. I'll wait to see it to believe it,"

The difference, this time, is *I* am making it happen.

Have faith. There's a bunch of stuff to get done first, before this gets fully underway but rest assured it will happen and be great.

It has to happen, really, doesn't it. The amount of unreleased material, and a truly stunning legacy, deserves and demands so.

CDJay @ Making Dreams Come True Since 2006 Inc.


Nice one! Cannot wait!
CDJay I can't comment on final format, or number of tracks. What I can say, however, is that everything will be made available one way or another. It's safe to get excited, but do bear in mind that our ability to do albums, particularly to the standard we want, means we really truly do need support on each and every project.

I can't quite believe the sheer volume of work we're undertaking and in no way underestimate how important each element is. At least we'll die trying. ;-)

CDJay
danielseven
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:

CDJay @ Making Dreams Come True Since 2006 Inc.



Best Corporation name ever.
CDJay edit: reposted by using back on phone. Never mind.

CDJay
_Jay_ You type on your phone using your back?!
CDJay TBF I'd probably make less mistakes if I did that. :S

CDJay
latininxtc About time that it was announced I don't think I could've kept it a secret much longer! I've been knowing since November ;)
silver React -> Resist - > AATW -> HU

Hopefully this year.
Beeferchiefer I'm glad it's back to being an album though and not just mp3s on a website.
Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
I can't quite believe the sheer volume of work we're undertaking and in no way underestimate how important each element is. At least we'll die trying. ;-)

CDJay



This!
You guys are like wizards! hehe :D

and thankyou, everybody wants this, and you know it! I simply cannot wait!! :)
DJ Hellfury I just hope you guys play some sharkey tracks in the next shows so we can see whats on the album :D
Audio Warfare Thank you CDJay and co! :) Can't wait for this.
_Jay_
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
React -> Resist - > AATW -> HU

Hopefully this year.



Bonkers?
DJ Hellfury
quote:
Originally posted by _Jay_:
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
React -> Resist - > AATW -> HU

Hopefully this year.



Bonkers?



Thank god Bonkers is dead because i don't wanna see that name in any context with dubcore. It was good it ended before this area.
Skidzorz :o... This actually makes up for him bailing on the Bonkers reunion show with Mc Storm and Kutski in Toronto a few months ago (not trying to be disrespectful, I'm sure he had a perfectly good reason, but damn I would have loved to see Sharkey come out of retirement for one night only and play a set by himself and a B2B with Hixxy).
djDMS HU is doing so much for the 'scene' right now. And the best thing about it is that it's not for money. I can easily see this being my last year as a raver/buyer of Hardcore music, but what a year it's going to be!
brenergy
quote:
Originally posted by Claxton:
Forthcoming on HU this summer :D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D

Just announced by Fracus on the HU show.



oh. my. god.

on a comical note, does anyone notice that pigs are suddenly flying?
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by brenergy:
quote:
Originally posted by Claxton:
Forthcoming on HU this summer :D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D

Just announced by Fracus on the HU show.



oh. my. god.

on a comical note, does anyone notice that pigs are suddenly flying?



that could be because it's friggin windy outside!
Lorenzo.Tweakn
quote:
Originally posted by _Jay_:
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
React -> Resist - > AATW -> HU

Hopefully this year.



Bonkers?



Yep, cdjay mentioned it to me awhile back. no more secrets. :P.
Ken Masters Best news of the year!

For Sharkey to have ended it without a final send off would have been criminal.
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
HU is doing so much for the 'scene' right now. And the best thing about it is that it's not for money. I can easily see this being my last year as a raver/buyer of Hardcore music, but what a year it's going to be!



Claim to be doing so much but we haven't had HU6 this year and the brisk album has been coming out for a year also. Plus i don't know what was supposed to have happened a few weeks back when we had that thread requesting modern remixes of 90's tracks and cd jay said something about in a couple of weeks.
_Jay_
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
I can easily see this being my last year as a raver/buyer of Hardcore music



:-(
Mad Max It could be 5 unmixed cds for over 50 and I would still buy it.

I know he has many many tracks so please sort out as many as you can.
Simon Top, top stuff HU crew! I'm looking forward to this, tracklist is going to be impossible to please everyone though
djDMS
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
HU is doing so much for the 'scene' right now. And the best thing about it is that it's not for money. I can easily see this being my last year as a raver/buyer of Hardcore music, but what a year it's going to be!



Claim to be doing so much but we haven't had HU6 this year and the brisk album has been coming out for a year also. Plus i don't know what was supposed to have happened a few weeks back when we had that thread requesting modern remixes of 90's tracks and cd jay said something about in a couple of weeks.



If there was a new HU album once a fortnight you'd be complaining there should be one every week! These things take time, how about a little patience? Not that long since the CLSM album came out, not like we're having to wait a year at a time for something new.

Warnman Sounds like great news!
latininxtc
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
HU is doing so much for the 'scene' right now. And the best thing about it is that it's not for money. I can easily see this being my last year as a raver/buyer of Hardcore music, but what a year it's going to be!



Claim to be doing so much but we haven't had HU6 this year and the brisk album has been coming out for a year also. Plus i don't know what was supposed to have happened a few weeks back when we had that thread requesting modern remixes of 90's tracks and cd jay said something about in a couple of weeks.



If there was a new HU album once a fortnight you'd be complaining there should be one every week! These things take time, how about a little patience? Not that long since the CLSM album came out, not like we're having to wait a year at a time for something new.





If I remember correctly you didn't even like the last HU mixed album. And it's not like cdjay has had his fingers up his ass doing nothing. The label has organized numerous events, has released the 2nd Darwin and Fracus artist album, has released the CLSM artist album, had created 3 limited edition albums free of charge, and has many other albums currently working on. Sure cdjay could have rushed brisk and marc smith to finish their album, but past albums have proven that rushing an album will make it sound pretty terrible.
CDJay Wrapped up the Marc Smith and HU Breaks album this week, Brisk album is in close pursuit along with another as-yet-unannounced album. Sharkey one is in early prep now, in fact I'm about to go through some stuff uploaded to an FTP for this exact purpose.

"Happy Hardcore Underground" is ready, but there are some rights issues worth sorting out if it means that two of the intended tracks feature.

HU6 prep is underway, but that really is going to take as long as it takes. I'd hope for mid year, but if it isn't ready then it could be any time in the next decade.

I'm sorry that some things take longer than might seem ideal, but I'm going to play the "massively underequipped, undersupported indie label" card one more time. We're only able to ramp up because we're risking it all. This during a scene crisis, surrounded by retail giants falling, and an industry in flux. I'm going to have to point out, yet again, that the Brisk album was only secured and scheduled Q3 2012, with a loose view to putting out late Q4 2012 so I'm not sure that early Q2 2013 is miles out given the scope and difficulties involved.

CDJay
Thumpa
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
HU is doing so much for the 'scene' right now. And the best thing about it is that it's not for money. I can easily see this being my last year as a raver/buyer of Hardcore music, but what a year it's going to be!



Claim to be doing so much but we haven't had HU6 this year and the brisk album has been coming out for a year also. Plus i don't know what was supposed to have happened a few weeks back when we had that thread requesting modern remixes of 90's tracks and cd jay said something about in a couple of weeks.



****ing hell, you've got labels that bust a gut to bring music out and literally scrape together every penny they've got to release the best quality of a product they can, and you sit on your PC moaning about shit. Be ****ing patient!

Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
If I remember correctly you didn't even like the last HU mixed album. And it's not like cdjay has had his fingers up his ass doing nothing. The label has organized numerous events, has released the 2nd Darwin and Fracus artist album, has released the CLSM artist album, had created 3 limited edition albums free of charge, and has many other albums currently working on. Sure cdjay could have rushed brisk and marc smith to finish their album, but past albums have proven that rushing an album will make it sound pretty terrible.



You are correct that i didn't like the last one because a large part of it seemed to be a load of self made drivel crammed into a small slot by producer/Djs who were not on form. Since then Al Storm is producing good music again and i even found a track i liked on the latest Fracus and Darwin effort. They not long ago released another track that i liked so there's nothing that says i couldn't like the next one is there?? After all i did like all of the previous editions. I had a skip through the Clsm album and found it a little meh so i won't be writing about that one any time soon. Sure there are plenty of things being worked on which is not really as good news as actually releasing some of the stuff that has been in the pipeline for over a year and a half.

quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
***ing hell, you've got labels that bust a gut to bring music out and literally scrape together every penny they've got to release the best quality of a product they can, and you sit on your PC moaning about shit. Be ****ing patient!



Now Olly i like you and at no point was i referring to your label which you clearly are and i know how much effort you put into your albums and the time they take. I usually buy the variety ones (blood sweat & tears etc) and for the most part have very positive things to say about them. If you are not referring to your own label and are commenting on the subject matter then fair enough i know it's a hard job putting these things together but i get back to my original point that news that something else is being worked on is not as exciting as actually getting some tangible evidence that perhaps some of it may turn up eventually.

Btw you really shouldn't bring needless swearing into a thread that really doesn't need it to get a point across.

DJ Hellfury 2 out of 5 albums couldnt get in time, what a drama.

i don't know any other UKH/Freeform label that releases more than one album except HU, so let's stop this right here

quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:We're only able to ramp up because we're risking it all. This during a scene crisis, surrounded by retail giants falling, and an industry in flux.



I do know the scene is kinda small but here is just a suggestion from my side: Why not using Kickstarter (summary here) as second support platform to lower the risk imo.?
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
2 out of 5 albums couldnt get in time, what a drama.

i don't know any other UKH/Freeform label that releases more than one album except HU, so let's stop this right here

quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:We're only able to ramp up because we're risking it all. This during a scene crisis, surrounded by retail giants falling, and an industry in flux.



I do know the scene is kinda small but here is just a suggestion from my side: Why not using Kickstarter (summary here) as second support platform to lower the risk imo.?



You dont need a kickstarter tbh. Just do like Olly, but with a variation. Think of a number you think it will be bought. I wouldnt be suprised HU albums can amass more than X copies (if olly can get 300 within weeks). Make arrangement so you'd atleast get back all the money from around Y% of that, even when pressing Z% or more. And then just do repressing when enough people want to buy it.

I don't know what's a reasonable amount is. My original example was 500 copies (X), make sure 75% (Y) gets pre-ordered (payed +/-0), and press 125% (Z) copies in the initial batch.
DJ Hellfury
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:

You dont need a kickstarter tbh. Just do like Olly, but with a variation. Think of a number you think it will be bought. I wouldnt be suprised HU albums can amass more than X copies (if olly can get 300 within weeks). Make arrangement so you'd atleast get back all the money from around Y% of that, even when pressing Z% or more. And then just do repressing when enough people want to buy it.

I don't know what's a reasonable amount is. My original example was 500 copies (X), make sure 75% (Y) gets pre-ordered (payed +/-0), and press 125% (Z) copies in the initial batch.



With kickstarter you can skip the thoughts about how much copies one label could sell with a question mark because after 1 month you get the exact number of customers with no extra effort in that matter.

Btw., i do like thumpas buisness model, but i missed the last compilation and i'm sure thumpa would make a better income with kickstarter
Triquatra I always thought kickstarter or something crowdsourcing thing like that would be a great idea for HU!
CDJay Been thinking about it for a while..... and we'd only use it to jumpstart a very risky project. Well, risky insofar as I have no real idea if it's actually something that could recoup costs, or people have a genuine interest in.

In fact, since we're shooting the breeze, I'd contemplated doing a vinyl album via kickstarter. Perhaps featuring some of the bigger HU releases, or somesuch. I mean, I don't even *like* vinyl, but some people do and it would *look* pretty. I'd costed up doing HHU on vinyl and it just isn't something we could justify, outright, as it would massively restrict what we're trying to do on the CD side.

Whaddayareckon?

CDJay
djDMS I still own loads of vinyl even though i no longer have turntables, just seems wrong to get rid of everything. Unfortunately i never got any of the Hardcore Underground 12"s so I'd consider buying a HU album on vinyl just to be able to say i own it!
latininxtc
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
it's actually something that could recoup costs, or people have a genuine interest in.

In fact, since we're shooting breeze,

CDJay



We're shooting breeze? When and where???
Samination I wouldnt mind if a kickstarter could make a project for releasing unreleased material (from 94 to today) on CD :)

I still need a few tracks from Dougal's Bonkers 7 mix. Still a few unreleased tehre :(
DJ Hellfury
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Been thinking about it for a while..... and we'd only use it to jumpstart a very risky project. Well, risky insofar as I have no real idea if it's actually something that could recoup costs, or people have a genuine interest in.



Sounds good.
Personally I would use it as pre-order platform for all projects to fund first editions :)

quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
In fact, since we're shooting the breeze, I'd contemplated doing a vinyl album via kickstarter. Perhaps featuring some of the bigger HU releases, or somesuch. I mean, I don't even *like* vinyl, but some people do and it would *look* pretty. I'd costed up doing HHU on vinyl and it just isn't something we could justify, outright, as it would massively restrict what we're trying to do on the CD side. [...]



Track Nr.1 should be "Let me In (Darwin Remix)", since it's the best produced and most diversified tune ever imo.

The idea itself is good for collectors (you should add some VIPs imo. to make it more special), but like you, i don't like vinyl, since i prefer mixing digital

edit:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
I wouldnt mind if a kickstarter could make a project for releasing unreleased material (from 94 to today) on CD :)

I still need a few tracks [...]. Still a few unreleased tehre :(



that were exactly my thoughts when i created the kickstarter thread (even when i mainly thought about scott browns labels), but who would manage to get those tunes since some producers leaved the scene ages ago or made their own labels :/
Samination let's Crowdfund "An Introduction to Climatic Moments 2" because it's long overdue :P
DJ Hellfury i know its offtopic, but i would prefer an 5-10CD compilation with all unreleased tunes unmixed from labels like evolution records and New Essential Platinum instead; something like an "Bring back the classics" collectors editon.

edit:
Just realised this after listening to 'The Hardcore Underground Show' - 30/01/13 (Fracus & Darwin):

Forthcoming Brisk artist album
Forthcoming 'HU Breaks' album
Forthcoming 'Notorious By Nature' (Marc Smith) album
Forthcoming Al Storm & Euphony album
Forthcoming 'Happy Hardcore Underground'
Forthcoming Hardcore Underground 6
Forthcoming Sharkey Album Nr.2


7 albums in the making, pretty insane for an indie label O.O
Spyanova irobot, bang like a mother, todays the day, wise up get stupid. so much i want!
lurker This would've been exciting 4 years ago. I'm expecting dubstep remixes of everything and no tracks older or harder than Today's the Day. Absolutely nothing good could come out of this. I am dead serious. lol not really
MaidenV
quote:
Originally posted by lurker:
This would've been exciting 4 years ago. I'm expecting dubstep remixes of everything and no tracks older or harder than Today's the Day. Absolutely nothing good could come out of this. I am dead serious. lol not really



3 CDs of just Scooter - Jumping All Over The World (Sharkey & K-Complex Remix) for every track
DJ Hellfury
quote:
Originally posted by MaidenV:
3 CDs of just Scooter - Jumping All Over The World (Sharkey & K-Complex Remix) for every track



We need some Skrillex, Zedd, Psy, JB, Minaj and Lil Wayne remixes here aswell for the worst and most exciting album aswell... and some Breeze, because he worships Satan oO
latininxtc joking or not you last 3 arseholes really need to go get laid or something that doesn't make y'all sound like total twats. This is being released by the Hardcore Underground label. They will do this album justice. I'm sure there will be some remixes that may turn out to be a bit questionable to some people, but I know CDJay and the rest of the HU crew and I know that they will deliver a quality album, and won't disappoint me :)
DJ Hellfury
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
joking or not you last 3 *******s really need to go get laid or something that doesn't make y'all sound like total twats. This is being released by the Hardcore Underground label. They will do this album justice. I'm sure there will be some remixes that may turn out to be a bit questionable to some people, but I know CDJay and the rest of the HU crew and I know that they will deliver a quality album, and won't disappoint me :)




how cute, you missed to understand the meaning of jokes (since the last 2 actually like sharkey) and now you start raging like some immature. Even lurker said "I am dead serious. lol not really".

how can you take forum posts so seriously?
MaidenV
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
joking or not you last 3 arseholes really need to go get laid or something that doesn't make y'all sound like total twats. This is being released by the Hardcore Underground label. They will do this album justice. I'm sure there will be some remixes that may turn out to be a bit questionable to some people, but I know CDJay and the rest of the HU crew and I know that they will deliver a quality album, and won't disappoint me :)



HUMOR IS VERBOTEN IN THE COURT OF THE GREAT KING CDJAY

(jesus christ dude, we're making fun of groundless negativity and having a laugh about what we know the album is NOT going to like)
Josephson_Junction
quote:
Originally posted by Spyanova:
bang like a mother


If this is on there, everything will be alright in the world.
Spyanova
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
joking or not you last 3 arseholes really need to go get laid or something that doesn't make y'all sound like total twats.



Because it works for you?
Torpex
quote:
Originally posted by Josephson_Junction:
quote:
Originally posted by Spyanova:
bang like a mother


If this is on there, everything will be alright in the world.


This.
Craigavon raver Great news that this is finally gonna see the light of day! its only took 10 years

And really didn't expect to see this after not coming on the forums for 5 weeks or so, great news to come back to!
HollowRipper If it actually sees the light of day, and contains bang like a mother and most importantly for me black rain, then i'll be immensely happy!
CDJay It will, and it will.

CDJay
HollowRipper
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It will, and it will.

CDJay



Hero.
Spyanova
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It will, and it will.

CDJay



<3
The Doc as long as its better than his first album, I might take a look, played that once then sold it on ebay!
Spyanova
quote:
Originally posted by The Doc:
as long as its better than his first album, I might take a look, played that once then sold it on ebay!



You can't be talking about Hard Life, surely
Josephson_Junction
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It will, and it will.

CDJay


Just to make an absolute, positive, no-doubts-at-all confirmation: you're also referring to the original, unmixed version of Bang Like A Mother being on the album?
DJ Hellfury
quote:
Originally posted by Josephson_Junction:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It will, and it will.

CDJay


Just to make an absolute, positive, no-doubts-at-all confirmation: you're also referring to the original, unmixed version of Bang Like A Mother being on the album?




Geez, I'm sure the whole album is unmixed and includes no dj mix in it.

I wouldn't be surprised when 500 copies are sold within 1 week.
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Spyanova:
quote:
Originally posted by The Doc:
as long as its better than his first album, I might take a look, played that once then sold it on ebay!



You can't be talking about Hard Life, surely



what other can it be? Well nowadays I barely listen to that album (or freeform in that style), but back then I did like it.
Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by Spyanova:
You can't be talking about Hard Life, surely



Agreed! though each to his own I guess..
Still, I find it hard to imagine anyone who is into dance music not liking that album.
DJ Hellfury hard life was awesome back in 2006 for me, but now i'm more looking forward to his 2nd
Samination Distant Dreams is still superb back then and now
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by Josephson_Junction:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It will, and it will.

CDJay


Just to make an absolute, positive, no-doubts-at-all confirmation: you're also referring to the original, unmixed version of Bang Like A Mother being on the album?




As one wishes.

*bows*

Any other requests?

CDJay
Beeferchiefer
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Josephson_Junction:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It will, and it will.

CDJay


Just to make an absolute, positive, no-doubts-at-all confirmation: you're also referring to the original, unmixed version of Bang Like A Mother being on the album?






*bows*

Any other requests?

CDJay


Heaven now AND Where shall my wandering soul begin! Please!
As one wishes.
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Josephson_Junction:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It will, and it will.

CDJay


Just to make an absolute, positive, no-doubts-at-all confirmation: you're also referring to the original, unmixed version of Bang Like A Mother being on the album?




As one wishes.

*bows*

Any other requests?

CDJay



Yea. I want it in my mailbox by monday.
Josephson_Junction
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Josephson_Junction:
Just to make an absolute, positive, no-doubts-at-all confirmation: you're also referring to the original, unmixed version of Bang Like A Mother being on the album?




As one wishes.

*bows*

Any other requests?

CDJay


jklgghertyhskjl;gf djkl;hdfgs'l; ka'ldfgs;lkjgfdhljcnbkvlnjlfkc;sdfl; hjkgdfljk;dfgl;

I LOVE YOU CDJAY

SHARKEY TOO
Ken Masters
quote:
Originally posted by The Doc:
as long as its better than his first album, I might take a look, played that once then sold it on ebay!



mabey should have given that a second listen cause you missed out.
DJ Hellfury
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Josephson_Junction:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It will, and it will.

CDJay


Just to make an absolute, positive, no-doubts-at-all confirmation: you're also referring to the original, unmixed version of Bang Like A Mother being on the album?




As one wishes.

*bows*

Any other requests?

CDJay



Damage (ft. Jon doe), ascending angels, lets get rockin, dual illumination, motion maker, todays the day, my everything, bonkers anthem (ft lisa abbot), overdrive (bonkers remix), funk d hardcore, dont stop (ft. Ham), freedom (ft. AMS), Irobot, where shall my wandering soul begin? (ft. Arkitech), Heaven now (ft. Gammer), sci-fi (ft. Oli G)

These are the ones that are unreleased i guess and havent been mentioned yet

Ascending angels is my fav.

Will there be any remastered classics from <1999 on this compilation or just the unreleased ones plus new remixes?
danielseven
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Josephson_Junction:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It will, and it will.

CDJay


Just to make an absolute, positive, no-doubts-at-all confirmation: you're also referring to the original, unmixed version of Bang Like A Mother being on the album?




As one wishes.

*bows*

Any other requests?

CDJay



Yea. I want it in my mailbox by monday.



And I want some cod with fried chips, calamari and white sauce attacked to it aswell.
Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Any other requests?

CDJay



Sound Assassin (Exclusive Instrumental Mix) (from bonkers 3)

or any version of it for that matter! :D


also for hellfury!

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
funk d hardcore - is on sharkey's first album!
dont stop (ft. Ham) can be bought on the next gen store! (which is currently unavailable!?)




DJ Hellfury Damn, i havent checked those tunes because i took my smartphone i typed all of his tunes featured on all bonkers and hardcore heaven compilations i have while i stood infront of my cd shelf, thx for corrections anyway :)
skankineddie666 One of my favorite Sharkey tracks is "MY EVERYTHING" which i've only been able to find on Bonkers 17!!! So im hoping this one gets release. I know there was also a Ham remix of the song but it sounded nothing like it.
CDJay I see "Funk'd Hardcore" mentioned, which was on "Hard Life". Should I presume, remix?

No comment on Sound Assassin. Other than.. I want it.... and am less selfish than some.



The best way to visualise this entire thing, IMO, is that someone like someone who cares is actually in a position to do something. Keep listing things *you *want, and odds are decent that Santa will.... well. I don't want to use the turn of phrase I was about to. How crass.

CDJay
DJ Hellfury Not sure if i listed too much tunes / all tunes on this album / 1st CD so CDJay would actually confirm whole / half tracklist by saying "yes, all tracks are on there" OR he still is in negociations with Sharkey so he doesnt know how many old tunes from sharkey will be on the album.

Anyway, there might be no answer on this but there is at least one good guy at HU fighting for our tune requests :D

cant wait for this album for christmas (if thats the release date CDJay tried to hide with "Santa") :O
Triquatra I'm going to buy as many copies of the album as there are tracks....and then play each track on a separate system and just stand in the middle of the room...ODing on it! :P
rafferty Great effort, have to say Hardcore Underground have done so much to keep the scene active with quality releases in recent years.
Now Brisk, Marc Smith and now Sharkey all with albums on the way. Who would have thought in this day and age.
Is like being back in 1996:)
Samination Wheren't there different version of Funk'd Hardcore?
Cyrax Never Say Die
Black Rain
Quadraphonix



Sulphurik Sounds great! Did I read Brisk & Marc Smith albums too!?
_Jay_ Yeah, each got an album coming. To my knowledge, all the music has been made for the Marc Smith album, and the Brisk album is a work in progress.

Both being released with the support of and by Hardcore Underground. Proper lads.
DJ Hellfury
quote:
Originally posted by Sulphurik:
Sounds great! Did I read Brisk & Marc Smith albums too!?



Yeah, both on Hardcore Underground.

Sample of Marc Smith album
_Jay_ Ha ha! Snooze you lose, Thomas!
DJ Hellfury
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:




Before looking at the other pages (currently viewing page 7 and this is the only post on it), and assuming the image is RAGE meme... did it get canceled? =P
DJ Hellfury First i was going to ask you how lazy you are but then i realised that lazy people wouldnt even bother to type so much text like you did >:P
Captain Triceps I challenge anyone to jump straight to page 7 and correctly guess why that rage face was there.
DJ Hellfury call CSI:Hardcore
Elipton I'm not sure if this is the right thread I should be posting on, but this was top of Google.

I was wondering if there's any probability of Wise Up Get Stupid from the Freeformation compilation of being on the album. It's probably the best representation of Sharkey's eccentricity for those who haven't seen him live. An amazing track I'd love to hear again :)
CDJay Shall make sure it's on the shortlist.

work is still underway on this, but we had a setback with data recovery recently.

We are shooting for the summer, i reckon that's achievable!

CDJay
Impulse_Response I can't believe I never saw this before! Sharkey is one of my favorite producers/DJs so I'm really looking forward to this.

In case it's worth adding, Distornord is one of my favorites from Sharkey. I heard it for the first time on freeformation, but it took me forever to find the original release because the spelling is wrong on the freeformation sleeve.
Samination did sharkey do a UFO? not keep any backups? :P

Also, what happened to the tracklist? it was small compared to what sharkey's got unreleased/"lost"
Triquatra Oh oH oH OHOHOHOHOH!!


'Surgery - CyberSurfin' on Bonkers 5! It never saw release at all, but it from what Matt Schwartz says, james horrocks should still have the DAT - and I'm guessing that it was probably actually produced by Sharkey?


Christ, I'd love that!
Ken Masters
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
Oh oH oH OHOHOHOHOH!!


'Surgery - CyberSurfin' on Bonkers 5! It never saw release at all, but it from what Matt Schwartz says, james horrocks should still have the DAT - and I'm guessing that it was probably actually produced by Sharkey?


Christ, I'd love that!





Good call! What a beautiful track. The whole of Sharkeys mix & Bonkers 5 in general was really special.

I'll never forget the year it came out & getting that & Zelda Majoras Mask for the N64 for christmas. I'm pretty sure there was an advert for B5 on national TV aswell. Anyway, i'm retro rambling...
Mad Max Its taking so long it best be at least 3 unmixed cds.
Elipton Since we're talking about tracks we'd like to see on the album, here's my wishlist

Sharkey & UFO - The Beginning Of The End**
Sharkey & K-Complex - Overdrive
Sharkey & K-Complex - Overdrive (Ephexis Remix)
Sharkey & Jon Doe - Damage
Sharkey - Ascending Angels
Sharkey v Stormtrooper - Lazerbeam Addict**
Sharkey - Pumpin' Religion**
Sharkey, Arkitech & Susi Ankah - Dual Illumination
Sharkey & A.M.S - Motion Maker**
Sharkey - Bang Like A Mother**
Sharkey - I, Robot**
Robbie Long & Sharkey - Where's The Party At?
Kevin Energy - Pounding Senses (Sharkey Remix)
Sharkey & Marc Smith - Utopia
Sharkey - Today's The Day**
Sharkey - Today's The Day (Darwin Remix)**
Sharkey v Kevin Energy - Wise Up Get Stupid**
** marks the tracks I can't live without
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Masters:
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
Oh oH oH OHOHOHOHOH!!


'Surgery - CyberSurfin' on Bonkers 5! It never saw release at all, but it from what Matt Schwartz says, james horrocks should still have the DAT - and I'm guessing that it was probably actually produced by Sharkey?


Christ, I'd love that!





Good call! What a beautiful track. The whole of Sharkeys mix & Bonkers 5 in general was really special.

I'll never forget the year it came out & getting that & Zelda Majoras Mask for the N64 for christmas. I'm pretty sure there was an advert for B5 on national TV aswell. Anyway, i'm retro rambling...



So Majora's Mask wasn't enough to f* with your brain, you needed bonkers aswell? =P
Cyrax
Pounding Senses (Sharkey Remix)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pounding-Senses-Sharkey-Remix/dp/B004DFY3HO
The Stisk
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Masters:
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
Oh oH oH OHOHOHOHOH!!


'Surgery - CyberSurfin' on Bonkers 5! It never saw release at all, but it from what Matt Schwartz says, james horrocks should still have the DAT - and I'm guessing that it was probably actually produced by Sharkey?


Christ, I'd love that!





Good call! What a beautiful track. The whole of Sharkeys mix & Bonkers 5 in general was really special.

I'll never forget the year it came out & getting that & Zelda Majoras Mask for the N64 for christmas. I'm pretty sure there was an advert for B5 on national TV aswell. Anyway, i'm retro rambling...



Ocarina of time came out in 98, Majora's mask came out in 2000, just saying
Thumpa
quote:
Originally posted by Advather:
I can't believe I never saw this before! Sharkey is one of my favorite producers/DJs so I'm really looking forward to this.

In case it's worth adding, Distornord is one of my favorites from Sharkey. I heard it for the first time on freeformation, but it took me forever to find the original release because the spelling is wrong on the freeformation sleeve.



Distornord is by Eclipse?
Impulse_Response
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
Distornord is by Eclipse?

That's what the vinyl says, but the Freeformation sleeve says Eclipse and Sharkey. I have no idea which one is correct, but I hope Sharkey contributed so there's a chance of it being on the album. The label on the vinyl credits Sharkey for the other track "Acid Frenzy," so is it possible he had a part in both?

I really want this track, but I guess it wouldn't fit on a Sharkey album if he had no part in producing it.
scottyd2k9 Only just noticed this topic.. Anyone got any ideas when it's getting released ?
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by scottyd2k9:
Only just noticed this topic.. Anyone got any ideas when it's getting released ?



About six years ago.
CDJay Shooting for Summer. Had some bad news re: data recovery so we will be pressing ahead with what we have.

CDJay
wong yeah, but which summer?
CDJay 2017!

CDJay
Sc@r loving the sounds of this! Sharkey album! woop woop
PecheyTheLizard Hey CDjay! you best keep this promise! I'm sure we would all kill for a full album of Sharkey classics!
trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by PecheyTheLizard:
Hey CDjay! you best keep this promise! I'm sure we would all kill for a full album of Sharkey classics!



CDJay does keep his promises; pretty sure shareky absolutely ****ed this one off ultra twat status
Captain Triceps Fucking clown.
9oh9 Bah, got my hopes up seeing this bumped to the top! So many quality tracks, crying shame we'll never see them released
Captain Triceps I saw CDJays comment of "2017" with a wink and thought a miracle had happened.
I hardly even care at all anymore like, but it would still be interesting to see it happen.
PecheyTheLizard That's why I bumped it ;)
latininxtc Well from what I heard, Jon's joking prediction may not be all that wrong...
Vladel It would be ascending angels for me and the 2007 bonkers anthem. I wouldn't be bothered about the rest.
Cyrax this ain't ever gonna happen chaps, fortunately I have most of the stuff I would want off it ;)
Thumpa If anyone wants a few of the tracks off this album give me a shout, the money can go to Culley as Sharkey walked out of his rave without DJ'ing and hasn't given Culley his DJ wages back. It was ?300 I think.
Cyrax
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
If anyone wants a few of the tracks off this album give me a shout, the money can go to Culley as Sharkey walked out of his rave without DJ'ing and hasn't given Culley his DJ wages back. It was ?300 I think.



I hope you're joking :(
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
If anyone wants a few of the tracks off this album give me a shout, the money can go to Culley as Sharkey walked out of his rave without DJ'ing and hasn't given Culley his DJ wages back. It was ?300 I think.



I hope you're joking :(



Lol don't think he is, if you want to hear it from the horses mouth then just mention Toytown within a 15 mile radius of Culley
Samination I recognise the name, but I can't place it... Who's Culley?

A quick facebook search, I presume it's Culley Paul, "Delite"?
arpz Yeah that's him
Captain Triceps Yeah, he's not what you'd call a fan of Sharkey, to say the least.
Cyrax
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
If anyone wants a few of the tracks off this album give me a shout, the money can go to Culley as Sharkey walked out of his rave without DJ'ing and hasn't given Culley his DJ wages back. It was ?300 I think.



I hope you're joking :(



Lol don't think he is, if you want to hear it from the horses mouth then just mention Toytown within a 15 mile radius of Culley



Oh yeah I'm aware of the Sharkey/Culley thing, I guess what I was concerned about is someone giving away promos that aren't theirs to share.


arpz
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
If anyone wants a few of the tracks off this album give me a shout, the money can go to Culley as Sharkey walked out of his rave without DJ'ing and hasn't given Culley his DJ wages back. It was ?300 I think.



I hope you're joking :(



Lol don't think he is, if you want to hear it from the horses mouth then just mention Toytown within a 15 mile radius of Culley



Oh yeah I'm aware of the Sharkey/Culley thing, I guess what I was concerned about is someone giving away promos that aren't theirs to share.




Yeah I don't think that's really the right course of action to be honest
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
If anyone wants a few of the tracks off this album give me a shout, the money can go to Culley as Sharkey walked out of his rave without DJ'ing and hasn't given Culley his DJ wages back. It was ?300 I think.



I hope you're joking :(



Lol don't think he is, if you want to hear it from the horses mouth then just mention Toytown within a 15 mile radius of Culley



Oh yeah I'm aware of the Sharkey/Culley thing, I guess what I was concerned about is someone giving away promos that aren't theirs to share.




Yeah I don't think that's really the right course of action to be honest




Arpz and Cyrax are right, you should post them online for free!
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
If anyone wants a few of the tracks off this album give me a shout, the money can go to Culley as Sharkey walked out of his rave without DJ'ing and hasn't given Culley his DJ wages back. It was ?300 I think.



Ascending angels and 2007 bonkers anthem.
Cyrax I actually think this will happen, I've heard a few people have been commissioned for remixes!
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
I actually think this will happen, I've heard a few people have been commissioned for remixes!



Keep talking.
Samination first you say it wont happen, then you say it will?!?

Thumpa, this might sound funny comming from a pirate, but don't do it.
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
first you say it wont happen, then you say it will?!?

Thumpa, this might sound funny comming from a pirate, but don't do it.


"Arrr, don't do it, shipmate!"
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
first you say it wont happen, then you say it will?!?

Thumpa, this might sound funny comming from a pirate, but don't do it.


"Arrr, don't do it, shipmate!"




Walk the plank, ye scurvy dog!
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
first you say it wont happen, then you say it will?!?

Thumpa, this might sound funny comming from a pirate, but don't do it.


"Arrr, don't do it, shipmate!"




Walk the plank, ye scurvy dog!



Lie down, then.
Thumpa
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
If anyone wants a few of the tracks off this album give me a shout, the money can go to Culley as Sharkey walked out of his rave without DJ'ing and hasn't given Culley his DJ wages back. It was ?300 I think.



I hope you're joking :(



Lol don't think he is, if you want to hear it from the horses mouth then just mention Toytown within a 15 mile radius of Culley



Oh yeah I'm aware of the Sharkey/Culley thing, I guess what I was concerned about is someone giving away promos that aren't theirs to share.






But its ok to walk out of a rave without DJ'ing and keep the DJ wages? Ok cool.

Impulse_Response I hope the album happens. Was the 2017 thing a joke?
latininxtc
quote:
Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
I hope the album happens. Was the 2017 thing a joke?




Yes of course it was meant as a joke. HU has always been notorious for having some of the artist albums they release taking years to develop. But there is a chance that it turns into a serious comment, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that until we hear directly from HU if any recent developments have been occurring.
Cyrax
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
If anyone wants a few of the tracks off this album give me a shout, the money can go to Culley as Sharkey walked out of his rave without DJ'ing and hasn't given Culley his DJ wages back. It was ?300 I think.



I hope you're joking :(



Lol don't think he is, if you want to hear it from the horses mouth then just mention Toytown within a 15 mile radius of Culley



Oh yeah I'm aware of the Sharkey/Culley thing, I guess what I was concerned about is someone giving away promos that aren't theirs to share.






But its ok to walk out of a rave without DJ'ing and keep the DJ wages? Ok cool.





That's not okay, but I don't see what that has to do with you, I also think if someone has trusted you with their promos you shouldn't be selling them





Vladel Sharkey has had plenty of chance to release his music, better someone else might do it for him.
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
Sharkey has had plenty of chance to release his music, better someone else might do it for him.



I thought most people always released his stuff, not himself? :D
GrahamC Whats the betting the album comes along but it will be ?100 a pop and limited to only 100-200 people, another cash-grab...
DJ Fracus
quote:
Originally posted by GrahamC:
Whats the betting the album comes along but it will be ?100 a pop and limited to only 100-200 people, another cash-grab...



0% *if* it finds it's way out via HU. I don't think we've ever put anything out that could honestly be construed as a cash grab reaaaally have we. For every profitable project, there's something we've loss-lead, or reinvested in to counterbalance.

Didn't want to fan the flames of hype about this album by commenting really, but just rest assured our model for releasing albums is based entirely on our own ideas and feedback from our following, it's not influenced by what other people are doing.
Samination I think CDjay would lose alot of goodwill if he tried it, so I don't think any of us are insinuating that HU is doing this. For all Graham now, Sharkey could try to do the Ham/Vibes&Hatrixx himself.
GrahamC TBH I thought him doing it with HU was well and truly over after he went MIA on them.

If it is through them then thats great (for them)
Captain Triceps The difference is Sharkey's is all old music - Ham and Vibes and Hattrixx are new music albums (if we could keep the cynicism aside for a minute). I doubt Sharkey would release his old music for that sort of money.
The irony is, in an ideal world, if he had released them digitally they would probably have been more profitable. Of course, it's not an ideal world.
I think the original plan, or something close to it, will happen.
Cyrax I know a few people who have been commissioned for remixes, I think it will come out, I just think it might take a while that's all
GrahamC If that's the plan then, for me at least, I wouldn't be interested. I am after the back-cat, not remixes of it.
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by GrahamC:
If that's the plan then, for me at least, I wouldn't be interested. I am after the back-cat, not remixes of it.



I don't think anyone's said the back cat won't come out, but I imagine to keep some modicum of freshness a few tracks are being given a remix.
Cyrax
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:
Originally posted by GrahamC:
If that's the plan then, for me at least, I wouldn't be interested. I am after the back-cat, not remixes of it.



I don't think anyone's said the back cat won't come out, but I imagine to keep some modicum of freshness a few tracks are being given a remix.



exactly


GrahamC But if it's done as an album then it's at the expense of more back-cat, there's only so much room on a 2 or 3 CDs and if you put remixes you get less originals.

TBH I am just completely disillusioned with it, they way he reacted, pulling the plug when Kev Energy's (?) album/comp was pirated (by the pirate scene it turned out, not somebody who bought it), getting involved with HU and then bailing on them without a word after they paid to recover data. What'll it be this time that halts it?

I'd put money (not much) on Raver Baby Digital happening before Sharkey puts out an album
Captain Triceps The the talk of remixes by more than a couple of producers, I am expecting Sharkey's album sooner rather than later.
I agree with what you said about what happened of course, but then, good music is good music.
Ardefisty Will there finally be an unmixed version of My Everything and Ascending Angels?

I would ****ing die if that happens.
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by Ardefisty:
Will there finally be an unmixed version of My Everything and Ascending Angels?

I would ****ing die if that happens.


Well, shit, I hope not then for your sake!
Mickey Init For some reason, the HU newsletter ended up in my junkbox but got to read it yesterday!!
htid_4_life i hope there are some full length tracks of his earlier work with Druid.
Samination selling it as the F&D bundle with a usb memory would be nice
Thumpa What I have here as disc 1 is:

01. Bonkers Anthem ft Lisa Abbott
02. Today / Today's The Day
03. My Everything
04. I May Be Dreaming
05. Quadrophonix
06. Ascending Angels
07. Oiii!
08. Peak
09. Step Inside The Party
10. Wise Up
11. We're In Heaven

I don't know if that has changed since...also not sure why Lazerbeam Addict isn't on there.
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
What I have here as disc 1 is:

01. Bonkers Anthem ft Lisa Abbott
02. Today / Today's The Day
03. My Everything
04. I May Be Dreaming
05. Quadrophonix
06. Ascending Angels
07. Oiii!
08. Peak
09. Step Inside The Party
10. Wise Up
11. We're In Heaven

I don't know if that has changed since...also not sure why Lazerbeam Addict isn't on there.



Bonkers Anthem What the hell is British Hardcore artists fascination with Jean Michel Jarre? There has to be like 5 different tracks using Rendevouz in Happy Hardcore from 94-96 alone :P

Going throu the tracks you listed since I have barely listened to Bonkers after Bonkers 12
04: Isn't this Arkitech & Double Decka? or is the track you listed a sharkey rermix?
CDJay If it ever got as far as "disc 1" before, it's probably out of date at this point.

CDJay
Craigavon raver So more talk of sharkeys album and that its going to come out, longest album to come out in history! was supposed to be out 12 years ago at least!
CDJay Originally due in 2001, I believe. If anyone can get this across the finish line.....

CDJay
Craigavon raver
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Originally due in 2001, I believe. If anyone can get this across the finish line.....

CDJay



haha really!? didn't know that knew there was talk even round 2004 was meant to come out, and still waiting and talking!
Samination well it was supposed to be released just after Hardcore Energy 2, but then the piracy got messy, with Kev NRG blaming people for making it available for everyone (I think it was Vladel that got blamed)
Craigavon raver
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
well it was supposed to be released just after Hardcore Energy 2, but then the piracy got messy, with Kev NRG blaming people for making it available for everyone (I think it was Vladel that got blamed)



Well i know, but was meant to come out years before that even, and still not closer!
GrahamC It's closer than you think...

Audio X Is Sharkey & Oli G - Sci Fi going to be on this? Been after that tune for about 10 years now lol
Mad Max Cometh the holy grail of freeform...........
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
well it was supposed to be released just after Hardcore Energy 2, but then the piracy got messy, with Kev NRG blaming people for making it available for everyone (I think it was Vladel that got blamed)



Well i know, but was meant to come out years before that even, and still not closer!



He did acknowledge that it wasn?t me in the end but I do feel guilty for being a dick about it for some time after. It wasn?t very grown up I must admit.

arpz hope everyone is listening
scottyd2k9 But how can this happen still? Sharkey isn't even apart of the scene anymore.
If it did happen, it would be my favourite ever.
CDJay Tada!

CDJay
scottyd2k9 WTF
OMFG
I?ve never been this excited in a long time.
OMFG
scottyd2k9 What is the completionist edition ?
What do you get ??
I?m so tempted
Elipton
quote:
Originally posted by GrahamC:
It's closer than you think...





Yes! Yes!

Love that artwork.

If this is starting to come together, then holy **** I'm in!
arpz

The *very* long-awaited Sharkey album is finally here! Four CDs, featuring exciting upfront re-interpretations of enduring classics, previously unreleased material, and a leading edge stem mix by the Bonkers maestro, this is one of the most important genre albums ever released.

CD1: Unmixed remixes

Featuring: Product Of Society (Fracus & Darwin Remix), Sound Assassin (Cube::Hard & Darwin Remix), Genesis (M-Project Remix), Distant Dreams (Jakka-B Remix), Today's The Day (Fracus & Darwin Remix), Black Rain (Chris Ross & Deeper Territory Remix) and many more!

CD2:

TBD (by you?)

CD3:

TBD (by you?)

CD4: Stem Mix by DJ Sharkey

This release also has digital components to follow, as well as a limited edition "Completionist" bundle featuring every track and remix of and by the inimitable DJ Sharkey. This has taken inordinate amounts of work, including data recovery actioned back in 2013, and is nothing less than an archive of massive importance.



Sharkey - Tech Noir: Anthology (Completionist Edition)
*PRE ORDER* Released December 13th

Includes:
- 4xCD (signed, if requested)
- Digital rights to entire Sharkey back catalogue
- Art prints (signed if requested)
- Influence over track listing of the CD release!

The *very* long-awaited Sharkey album is finally here! Four CDs, featuring exciting upfront re-interpretations of enduring classics, previously unreleased material, and a leading edge stem mix by the Bonkers maestro, this is one of the most important genre albums ever released.

This completionist edition is limited to 200 units, includes *every* Sharkey track and remix (by or of!) featured as a full approved release for digital download, where available. Should anything be missing, and later sourced, retrospective assignment is assured. Art prints from the album tapestries, undertaken by the original Bonkers artist, are included. The album *or* prints will be signed, as requested by the purchaser. CDJay will liaise with each buyer directly to solicit a "dream" listing for CDs 2 and 3, and incorporate emerging trends and forceful feedback into the final listings that will signed off in mid November. This is your chance to shape an enduring legacy, of a genuine icon, of genre!
Vladel Ordered the completionist edition because that way, it won?t matter what tracks are on the cds, I will have it all.
There?s some shit I won?t spend ?100 on like 20 unknown tracks from Ham but the entire back catalogue of a legend, that?s something worth paying for.
arpz That's an almost refreshing response Vladel. I'm just waiting for payday to get on the completionist edition too :)
Samination Vladel, it was only 10 tracks...

But yea, This is definitly more worth the 100 quids.

Edit: I did the deed, and took a HH3 as a side item
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Vladel, it was only 10 tracks...

But yea, This is definitly more worth the 100 quids.

Edit: I did the deed, and took a HH3 as a side item



Yea sorry I meant to say 10 tracks but my fat fingers had other ideas.
oldskool.andy Oh My.... May have to have a gander on the HU site ;)

*EDIT* Well that's the xmas gift to myself sorted!
GrahamC Do the folks who bought the HU flash drive a few years back that was supposed to have Product of Society F&D remix on it get that track for free even if they don't buy the album?
sebastianNL I am not that much familiar yet with Sharkey but reading all these enthusiastic reactions I guess it should make a great addition to my collection, but the price is a bit high for me atm. I was thinking is there anyone that I could buy the completionist edition together with to split the costs? It's just about the digital files for me, the cd I will buy myself apart from this. Please send me a PM :)
Samination If you like Freeform, especially from 1998 to 2005, then it would definitly be something for you.
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by GrahamC:
Do the folks who bought the HU flash drive a few years back that was supposed to have Product of Society F&D remix on it get that track for free even if they don't buy the album?



That seems fair; he'd gone off grid so we replaced with *TWO* remixes:

The Time Frequency - Take Me Away (Fracus & Darwin Remix) *STILL not available, cleared and featured on Blu the Roof

Nimrod - Shine A Light (Fracus & Darwin Remix), came out a year or so later on DJ tools.

At least if we fail, we overcompensate

CDJay
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by sebastianNL:
I am not that much familiar yet with Sharkey but reading all these enthusiastic reactions I guess it should make a great addition to my collection, but the price is a bit high for me atm. I was thinking is there anyone that I could buy the completionist edition together with to split the costs? It's just about the digital files for me, the cd I will buy myself apart from this. Please send me a PM :)



I get it, when it comes to some stuff, but this is hundreds of tracks spanning '95 - '13. ?100 sounds like a lot, but once we're done splitting it into bundles for people who want to pick and choose it'll cost FAR more than that.

Once I've had some sleep (78 hours and counting since that last occurred) I'll list some tracks you can youtube. Please don't fileshare, this has cost me thousands of pounds and the last vestiges of my sanity

CDJay
CDJay Perhaps even more crucially, much like HH, this is a potential model to continue doing the same. Next up is the VG album; if it makes more sense to do this rather than split back cat across multiple albums and scattered digital, we can. This is by *far* the fastest and cost effective way, for both sides of the coin, to get an intended result than anything else I've come up with to date. UK HHC archival is pretty piss poor, there's a finite window to rectify and a significant amount of effort required to do so. I want to, truly, but I need results to beat people over the proverbial head with here.

CDJay
sebastianNL Actually I find this a great model, really cost effective. I buy complete discographies from labels directly every now and then because it's a lot cheaper and you have the opportunity to receive tracks that you wouldn't have bought otherwise within the pack that can positively surprise you. And I always like to have complete labels/collections :) I hope these kind of offers will be available more often :) It is more the fact that I do not know exactly what I'm paying for, so a list of representive tracks would really help. I will reconsider at the end of the month after payday ;) How many tracks are in the backcat by the way?
arpz Got my completionist order in :D

quote:
Originally posted by sebastianNL:
How many tracks are in the backcat by the way?



https://www.discogs.com/artist/18382-Sharkey

Lots :D
Elipton Just reading the description for the Completionist version.

It mentions
quote:
- Digital rights to entire Sharkey back catalogue


Does this mean the album will be mixed? Could you clarify this? It's annoyingly vague.
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Just reading the description for the Completionist version.

It mentions
quote:
- Digital rights to entire Sharkey back catalogue


Does this mean the album will be mixed? Could you clarify this? It's annoyingly vague.



CD1: Unmixed remixes
CD2: TBD (by you?)
CD3: TBD (by you?)
CD4: Stem Mix by DJ Sharkey

From the newsletter:

Purchasers of the Completionist Edition will be individually consulted in order to ensure that the CD2/3 tracklists tick as many boxes as possible, paired with our intuition in such affairs.


Fairly sure that's enough info to assure you that it'll be 1 out of 4 CDs mixed. Also, separate bundles will be available if you don't want everything

Samination I don't get how you get mixed from "digital rights of his back catalogue"?

But I do have a question about that, does that mean I have the right to mix them as a DJ?
PecheyTheLizard I think it'd only he fair to have at least 1 or 2 CDs that are unmixed, and then mix CD and the stem mix. 1 CD of old Sharkey tracks, and one CD of remixes. That way people who can't afford the completionist album can at least have a few tracks to mix with. But hey, that's just my opinion ;)
Samination one of my worries is the 28-30 tracks we are to select for the 2 unmixed CDs for the people who didn't get the completionist bundle :P
CDJay It'll no doubt be a fairly obvious tracklisting, but I'd trust it more to be "definitive" with input from the informed fetishists.

Starting on the consultation tomorrow, as it goes!

CDJay
Samination Is sharkey also going to pick some tracks, or is that what his stem mix is for?
Elipton Is the completionist version, or rather the back-cat available on a limited basis?
sebastianNL
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:
Originally posted by sebastianNL:
I am not that much familiar yet with Sharkey but reading all these enthusiastic reactions I guess it should make a great addition to my collection, but the price is a bit high for me atm. I was thinking is there anyone that I could buy the completionist edition together with to split the costs? It's just about the digital files for me, the cd I will buy myself apart from this. Please send me a PM :)



I get it, when it comes to some stuff, but this is hundreds of tracks spanning '95 - '13. ?100 sounds like a lot, but once we're done splitting it into bundles for people who want to pick and choose it'll cost FAR more than that.

Once I've had some sleep (78 hours and counting since that last occurred) I'll list some tracks you can youtube. Please don't fileshare, this has cost me thousands of pounds and the last vestiges of my sanity

CDJay



I just ordered the completionist edition, I was afraid of going to regret it when I didn't :)
Craigavon raver Can't believe this is actually happening! thought it would never see the light of day tbh lol but buzzing it is! and was actually wondering who was going to release it when I seen earlier posts seeing it was going to come out, thinking it wouldn't be hardcore underground
Craigavon raver Also whats a "stem mix" like stemming from the start or something?

Well I hope so anyway, hopefully he starts of with happy hardcore mixes into 90's freeform and then into post millennium freeform
Audio X 100 quid for Sharkey's entire back catalogue really is a steal you guys.
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
Also whats a "stem mix" like stemming from the start or something?

Well I hope so anyway, hopefully he starts of with happy hardcore mixes into 90's freeform and then into post millennium freeform



A stem mix probably refers to the new audio format pioneered by Native Instruments and supported by some of their pricier hardware. It's where each element of the track is separated in a single file and can be independently controlled such as taking just the bassline from a track and combining with the melody and vocals of another for example, but live.
Vladel I'm not sure i'd pay 100 quid for Vinylgroover though, im not sure there are that many tracks as there are with sharkey.
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Is the completionist version, or rather the back-cat available on a limited basis?



the backcat (plus extras) at 100 quid will be limited. I think cdjay wrote somewhere that the backcat will be bundled in pieces, and will costs more altogether to get later
Mad Max SO amazing.

For some bizarre reason I took a few hours to make the decision.

Is it just solo tracks or are we talking alias and collabs.... early nu energy stuff?!?!
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Is the completionist version, or rather the back-cat available on a limited basis?



Exactly as Samination said; it's just a better value version for the first 200 interested buyers. Everything will still be available afterwards, with the exception of the signed art prints.

CDJay
CDJay The stem mix is *indeed* a DJ mix done from stems, where available, (rather than complete exports), for more mash-up trickery etc.

CDJay
Captain Triceps The original vocal mix of Toytown going to be there?
PecheyTheLizard
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Is the completionist version, or rather the back-cat available on a limited basis?



Exactly as Samination said; it's just a better value version for the first 200 interested buyers. Everything will still be available afterwards, with the exception of the signed art prints.

CDJay



So will the Sharkey tracks indeed be available to buy in a complete bundle just like the RFU back catalogue? I just need clarification hahaha! I would love to get the CD, but I can't get the completion it version anytime soon due to financial reason.
CDJay Once the completionist edition is sold out, and release date hits, we'll offer up bundles based around time periods/remixes/unreleased etc.

There's a lot of stuff. Not just the obvious sought after unreleased, or not previously available digitally, but a bunch of stuff rarely or never alluded to in public. That's ignoring a bunch of stuff commissioned recently for the remixes CD and/or stem mix.

It's literally years of work. Which shows

CDJay
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
The original vocal mix of Toytown going to be there?



AFAIK, that's the plan! In addition to the months, and months, of prep before announcement we've already started re-mastering and collating. Down at Sharkeys next weekend to finish recording DATs to de-glitch/restore. That's one of 'em!

CDJay
Impulse_Response
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
. . . re-mastering. . .


Uh oh. Now I'm scared.

Bought it anyway though. I've been waiting a long time for this.
CDJay Don't be scared, no one is trying to brickwall older material.

CDJay
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
. . . re-mastering. . .


Uh oh. Now I'm scared.

Bought it anyway though. I've been waiting a long time for this.




Remastering is good
Audio X Is Ruffage doing the mastering? I trust him implicitly not to blow out the dynamics.
CDJay Nein, Darwin is doing the vast majority.

CDJay
Craigavon raver
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
The stem mix is *indeed* a DJ mix done from stems, where available, (rather than complete exports), for more mash-up trickery etc.

CDJay




Ok sweet then! can't wait for this! gonna pre-order in 2 weeks along with hh3, al storms album and dark shadows 4, catch up on some beats

Just hope theres some hu ep vol 6 left that I can get with my order to complete the collection
Dookie77 When will we be contacted about the track listing? Not heard anything yet and its supposed to be signed off mid November.
CDJay Over the weekend; I'm down at Sharkeys so it seemed the optimal time

CDJay
trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
The stem mix is *indeed* a DJ mix done from stems, where available, (rather than complete exports), for more mash-up trickery etc.

CDJay




Ok sweet then! can't wait for this! gonna pre-order in 2 weeks along with hh3, al storms album and dark shadows 4, catch up on some beats

Just hope theres some hu ep vol 6 left that I can get with my order to complete the collection




is there more ep vol 6?


CDJay Less than ten spares exist. Massive monetary orders and sincere flirting remain as options.

CDJay
skarr ahhh another hardcore album that costs more than the average person can afford, this is definitely helping the 'scene'.
djDMS How much should it cost for potentially 100's of tracks?
skarr but we're putting %100 effort into this one though..... cause the best thing for the 'uk' hardcore scene is to charge ?100 an 'album' but you get loads of exclusives and that and 3 mixes ? on 3 cds?!?!?!?!
skarr cor blimey wimey I can't bloomin bloody wait to pay a 1er for tracks I've only heard about 700 times ! but they have been re-masterd and mixed onto 3 cd's!!!!!!
trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Less than ten spares exist. Massive monetary orders and sincere flirting remain as options.

CDJay



lol. i just put in about a $100 dollar order for some of those preorders next month... if it is somehow possible to tack one of those on with it ;) :p.

and the flirting.. ugh I would need to buy you some booze for that haha.

Samination Compared to Ham, Vibes & Hatrixx, who just came out of nowhere asking shitloads of money for a mere 10 or so tracks, If you pay the 100 for the Sharkey album you're getting over 100 tracks, with 20 or so new, and atleast 10 or so previous unreleased.


And whoever said this was for the current scene?
trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by skarr:
cor blimey wimey I can't bloomin bloody wait to pay a 1er for tracks I've only heard about 700 times ! but they have been re-masterd and mixed onto 3 cd's!!!!!!



lol, jesus dude your worse than me on a gammer bender! props!!
Samination he's probably off his meds again (or since it's friday, he's drunk as f)
trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
he's probably off his meds again (or since it's friday, he's drunk as f)



skarr seems like the kind of badass who does not just confine his drinking to the weekends... haha
Dookie77 Whats all this about HU EP 6?
CDJay ?15 for four cds, three unmixed one mixed.

The hundred pound option is exactly what the title implies. We've made it very clear that everything will be made available in split digital bundles post release. It's Sharkeys entire back cat. I'm amazed even you found a way to moan about this one.

CDJay
skarr Will everyone that buys the ?100 option get proppa looked after and be made to feel like one-a the boys ?
CDJay No, they'll get it cheaper than someone later buying all the bundles. Plus cd, and get a limited art print.

It's way, *way* more than 100 tracks BTW lol.

CDJay


skarr ahhh that's a shame, I was gonna part with a ton of my hard earned but only cause I thought I'd be proppa looked after and be one ov the lads, and get 'exclusive ' video updates from a top of the range studio. Not because i would actually be being offered half decent value for money . Will you be posting pictures of sh it cars parked up in residential areas of East London? if not then I'm out.
Audio X Honestly you could include a $100 bill in the insert and some people would complain about how it's folded.
skarr look if ya not gonna be made to feel like one-a the lads it's not worth 'getting involved' is it ?
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by skarr:
look if ya not gonna be made to feel like one-a the lads it's not worth 'getting involved' is it ?



It's a huge back catalogue with great unreleased tracks and it's going to be great addition to my collection. It's also a much more sensible option to get the whole thing than risk something you really want not being on the CD.
skarr all I'm sayin to ya absolute NUTBAGS is that if ya don't get proppa woppa looked after and be made to feel like one-a the lads then what's the point ? basically h.u are offerin ya incredibly almost alright value for money but no feeling of feeling like your part of the crew .... ? and what's more important.... ? paying for something that's actually worth the money or feeling like ya 1er the lads cause ya been proppa looked after with exclusive video updates and all that ? it's not about the music , it's about being one of the privileged few,
skarr ( sorry not privileged few) I meant one of the gullible , complete fuc kin idiots that has been taken for a tw.at by some 'legends '.oi bloomin oi!!!!!!
Dookie77 It is all about the music for some,not been interested in the scene for 10 years but still like the music! Could not care less if i'm made to feel like one of the lads.
Sulphurik Excellent! Has the tracklisting been confirmed yet?
Sulphurik How do you go about making requests for the CD2 &3?
Samination only us who paid for the full collection got to send any requests for what going to appear on those 2 CD's
trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
only us who paid for the full collection got to send any requests for what going to appear on those 2 CD's



not the biggest sharkey fan; but i def swooped the regular package because I have faith in sharkey lovers passions.

plus the remix disc is probably badass.

curious to see if people choose more freeform or happy hardcore for the 2 discs though?

hoping it's the latter for my tastes :P
CDJay Got all the survey responses back, am using it to inform (tbh I am arrogant enough to presume I know best, but meek enough to take suggestion )

Everyone who put the vocal mix of Sound Assassin when I said the instrumental version was on there 100% is an idiot but I admire their tenacity.

CD2/3 are a decent split across all eras, styles etc. There were runaway winners, but the expected ones. The main thing that got pulled from the brink is the Rainbow Island remix which I hadn't really considered but was popular enough to now feature.

Lots of votes for the Darwin remix of "Today's the Day" but it's rendered obselete by the F&D update; it'll still exist in the digital domain but there's no point replicating and wasting a valuable space on the middle discs. Also I can't believe "Forever Flying" got one vote, that's completely mental and it's going on anyway...... remastered at Metropolis for my amusement.

CDJay
DJGouda
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Got all the survey responses back


I only just did the survey, I hope I'm not too late :/.



Also I'm so happy to finally get my hands on many tracks that I've been waiting for way too long.

Thanks for finally making it happen.

Samination
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Everyone who put the vocal mix of Sound Assassin when I said the instrumental version was on there 100% is an idiot but I admire their tenacity.
CDJay





Well EXCUSE ME princess..
GrahamC So this has finally dawned on me, I have been a bit slow recently...

Does this mean now that the Darwin remix of Toytown is going to become available?

I'm not buying the ?100 version but may get the normal ?15 version as freakishly, I never ever like a single Sharkey Bonkers CD but I would like to amass all the Toytown tracks when the subsequent bundles come along
Craigavon raver
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Less than ten spares exist. Massive monetary orders and sincere flirting remain as options.

CDJay



Is hardcore heaven 3, al storms album, dark shadows 4 and sharkeys album (normal edition) considered massive monetary orders? lol haven't ordered them yet but will be this week!
CDJay If the word "Completionist" appears it qualifies.



CDJay
Craigavon raver And what about the tracklist right enough? should it not be confirmed now, seriously hope genisus is on it!
CDJay Tracklistings for the CD release, as well as the other two albums due out at the same time, will go up on Friday.

Which is when we're in Toronto.

CDJay
Craigavon raver
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
If the word "Completionist" appears it qualifies.



CDJay




Just ordered them earlier! didn't get the completionist edition, i'm not a dj so all the tracks digitally doesn't really appeal to me, well it does! but just got the cd, plus the cost of it at the min def doesn't suit me! lol

But buzzing about the album anyway, can't wait till I get it and the other cds! roll on the tracklist
Dookie77
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
If the word "Completionist" appears it qualifies.



CDJay




Does this mean I could get a copy?
Vladel Will the completionist back catalogue be available at the time of cd release or will it be incrimental?
scottyd2k9 What is the completionist edition ?
What do you get ??
I?m so tempted
Craig Cairney I don't think they could be any clearer what you get with that dude lol. Check this post and the HU website / newsletters etc. It's all explained. ;)
Mad Max I didnt reply to the survey.

My track id skills suck and some of my answers might have ended up mad descriptions of how i think the track sounds!

I put my trust in people picking The Awakening...

trippnface soooo about those tracklists :p
CDJay Waiting for one last clearance for HH3, then we can send out the newsletter

CDJay
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Waiting for one last clearance for HH3, then we can send out the newsletter

CDJay



You didn?t answer my question On the release date of the cd, will people who purchased the completionist album get the back catalogue then or will it come later?
CDJay What we have, will all go out on release day.

So much cool stuff. I literally can't oversell it.

CDJay
Captain Triceps What's the danger of paying half now and half in a few weeks, for the poorer amongst us?
GrahamC ^ +1

That would 100% get my purchase
Captain Triceps It's literally the only thing hindering my purchase :(
CDJay Of Course! Just DM me

CDJay
Dookie77 10 more very long days,that's as long as everything is moving along smoothly.
Vladel Cdjay, what day are we looking at dispatching? As luck would have it, I have a provisional moving day for Monday 11th.
Rodz90 The tracklist was meant to be released over a week ago and nothing.

I very much doubt HU will meet that deadline of the 13th of December release date.
Samination Jay's busy getting boned by Sharkey perhaps?
CDJay The delay with the tracklist is actually down to a HH3 license hold-out, stopping us putting the newsletter out.

We are slightly behind schedule, but not massively.

Tracklists today, or tomorrow. More than likely today!

CDJay
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
I'm going to buy as many copies of the album as there are tracks....and then play each track on a separate system and just stand in the middle of the room...ODing on it! :P



Imma force you to buy all the Completionist copies :P

(topic diggin from 2013!!)
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
The delay with the tracklist is actually down to a HH3 license hold-out, stopping us putting the newsletter out.

We are slightly behind schedule, but not massively.

Tracklists today, or tomorrow. More than likely today!

CDJay




Cdjay I?m supposed to be moving Monday so I messaged the Facebook page but haven?t heard anything. I think if the move fell through I?d rather go to the house I was biting to get it than move and have to go back to the house I sold.

arpz Sharkey - Tech Noir: Anthology
Hugely talked about and hyped and you still ain't seen NOTHING yet! 4xCDs of music spanning two decades in Hardcore, the vast majority of which is unreleased. Loads of 2017 remixes and updates, and also the opportunity to buy the 'completionist bundle' (see the store). ?100 seems like a lot to spend on music, but when you think about what you'll be getting for that price, it really isn't. A piece of Hardcore history right here from one of its biggest stars. A life's work in all its glory! The stem mix has taken longer than intended, and is finally wrapping this weekend, so we're a smidgen behind schedule for the physical. Again, we still intend to make the digital assets available including what Completionist assets we have amassed. More will follow as we get it, including some unreleased Nu Energy stuff we're hoping to get in January. There are only about 50 left of the Completionist bundle at this point!

CD1 - New and Exclusive Remixes
01. Product Of Society (Fracus & Darwin Remix)
02. Distant Dreams (Jakka B Remix)
03. Anything She Wants (Gorilla Tactics Remix)
04. Lazerbeam Addict (A.B Remix)
05. Genesis (M-Project Remix)
06. Bonkers Anthem (Al Storm Remix)
07. Therapy (A.B & Cyrax Remix)
08. Dual Illumination (Arkitech's HHC Remix)
09. Black Rain (Chris Ross & Darwin Remix)
10. Sound Assassin (Cube::Hard Remix)
11. Today's The Day (Fracus & Darwin Remix)
12. Sci-Fi (Synthwulf Remix)

CD2 - Unmixed
01. w/ Odyssey & Arikitech - Black Rain
02. w/ Arkitech - Quadraphonix
03. w/ Arkitech - Dual Illumination
04. w/ Kevin Energy & K-Komplex - Anna (Cube::Hard Remix)
05. w/ K-Komplex - Overdrive (Ephexis Remix)
06. OCD
07. Pumpin' Religion (Inverse & Orbit1 Remix)
08. Bang Like A Mother
09. Ascending Angels (Vocal Mix)
10. w/ Stormtrooper - Lazerbeat Addict
11. w/ Arkitech - Never Say Die
12. w/ Oli G- Sci Fi

CD3 - Unmixed
01. w/ Marc Smith - Identifty The Beat
02. w/ Ham - Don't Stop
03. w/ Devastate - Terrabeat
04. w/ CLSM - Wicked MC
05. Sound Assassin (Instrumental Mix)
06. w/ UFO - Terra Nova
07. w/ Eclipse - Mind Launch
08. w/ Druid - Bonkers Anthem
09. Seb - Rainbow Islands (Sharkey Remix)
10. E-Nuff
11. The Vampire - Teknostorm (Sharkey Remix)

CD4 - Sharkey DJ Stem Mix


----------------------------------------

arpz No Toytown anywhere... I hope those mixes are going to be in the completionist otherwise presumably Hixxy is a knob and CDJay is master of bait & switch ;)
CDJay One of the hold outs is a cool as **** Toytown remix that may or may not make the CD. We held things longer than I wanted, but whether it makes the physical or not expect to love me with the fire of a thousand suns.

CDJay
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
One of the hold outs is a cool as **** Toytown remix that may or may not make the CD. We held things longer than I wanted, but whether it makes the physical or not expect to love me with the fire of a thousand suns.

CDJay



I'm not on the pauper edition anyway so not really arsed :D Sounds good :)

edit: really need to get those other pre-orders in though... argh, too much good stuff
Mad Max 02. w/ Arkitech - Quadraphonix - different version to the one on the freeform family cd? If not please can we change it.
CDJay It's is, unfortunately. It's the one thing Sharkey insisted on, and it is his album after all.

CDJay
Elipton CD2 sounds really good.

Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.

Fairly disappointing for me personally. Wish I'd waited for the tracklist.

Nevertheless, music is FINALLY being released and there are some bangers I've always wanted on there. It's good for the community to have these tracks.

Will there be a list, however partial, of the completionist bundle?
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.



Heard the F&D remixes? :D
PecheyTheLizard
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.



Heard the F&D remixes? :D



I always enjoy remix CDs from artist albums, they always give many different examples of styles and how everyone differs from one another.
lone_raver
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.



Heard the F&D remixes? :D



If it?s what I heard on Facebook it last got that modern uk hardcore sound. Not for me so, glad I got the whole lot cause a few tunes I voted for but not there but to be fair a coupe that I forgot about so no complaints from me still the bargain of the century. Can?t believe there?s still spaces left for it and while I?m on and half pished thank you hardcore underground for making this finally happen. All the best and merry Xmas!!

trippnface TOYTOWN
Dookie77 Any idea how big the data dump will be on release day?
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Dookie77:
Any idea how big the data dump will be on release day?



IF it's all WAVE, well, ~62MB for a 6 minute long file, about 200 tracks... 12GB? :P
Craigavon raver Was buzzing when I saw the tracklist, then was kind of disappointed, some tracks weren't there, then again can't have everything there, especially since theres so much, only 3 happy tracks, but at least the original bonkers anthem there! not that other 2007 version, hopefully more happy on the stem mix! looking forward to see the tracklist for that
Craigavon raver
quote:
Originally posted by trippnface:
TOYTOWN



Has to be the first track on the dj mix! has to!
Craigavon raver And also just remembered wanting to get high was sharkey as well with hixxy, what a tune! how did that not get on there, along with sharkey & trixxy - genesis, hopefully on the dj mix
CDJay It's balancing a billion different things, I know the temptation is to list any rare or exclusive track due to scarcity but... It's an artist album intended to endure. There's no point duping an already released one, no sense in sating the two percent who want something esoteric. Most is entirely unreleased, and without intervention I promise would have remained. The completionist bundle and subsequently released digital caches cover far beyond reasonable expectations for a catalogue presumed closed.

CDJay
Impulse_Response
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It's balancing a billion different things, I know the temptation is to list any rare or exclusive track due to scarcity but... It's an artist album intended to endure. There's no point duping an already released one, no sense in sating the two percent who want something esoteric. Most is entirely unreleased, and without intervention I promise would have remained. The completionist bundle and subsequently released digital caches cover far beyond reasonable expectations for a catalogue presumed closed.

CDJay



This is why I ordered the completionist edition. That way I get everything and I don't need to worry about it.
CDJay ... And that's why this album worked, and can potentially save other catalogue.

I wish life was easier, mainly for me. Still.

CDJay
Sulphurik Product Of Society (Hardcore Society Mix) and Death By Stereo aren't on the tracklist!! Also Distant Dreams and The Awakening. Hopefully on Sharkey's mix.
dj switchback Or you can just listen to them on the Hardlife album ;)
Elipton
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.



Heard the F&D remixes? :D



Not relevant.
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.



Heard the F&D remixes? :D



Not relevant.



It's not relevant asking a question about the remixes that exist on the remix CD that you're complaining about? Ok!

I will just say that you don't speak for me when you say that no one wanted a remix CD

Elipton
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.



Heard the F&D remixes? :D



Not relevant.



It's not relevant asking a question about the remixes that exist on the remix CD that you're complaining about? Ok!

I will just say that you don't speak for me when you say that no one wanted a remix CD





It's a Sharkey album. Quite frankly, I'd much rather have the original 'Today's the Day' than a remix. A load of Sharkey originals have had to make way for remixes that I wouldn't buy. It's disappointing that it feels like material is kept behind a ?100 ransom

Why isn't there more information available on the completionist version? Am I to gamble ?100 and hope I get tracks like Todays The Day?
arpz
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.



Heard the F&D remixes? :D



Not relevant.



It's not relevant asking a question about the remixes that exist on the remix CD that you're complaining about? Ok!

I will just say that you don't speak for me when you say that no one wanted a remix CD





It's a Sharkey album. Quite frankly, I'd much rather have the original 'Today's the Day' than a remix. A load of Sharkey originals have had to make way for remixes that I wouldn't buy. It's disappointing that it feels like material is kept behind a ?100 ransom

Why isn't there more information available on the completionist version? Am I to gamble ?100 and hope I get tracks like Todays The Day?



Yes. Or don't, and wait for the bundles after the fact.
Impulse_Response I thought HU already stated somewhere that it is everything, except 1 or 2 releases they couldn't locate. If CDJay says it is everything, I have no doubt it is everything.
Vladel
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.



Heard the F&D remixes? :D



Not relevant.



It's not relevant asking a question about the remixes that exist on the remix CD that you're complaining about? Ok!

I will just say that you don't speak for me when you say that no one wanted a remix CD





It's a Sharkey album. Quite frankly, I'd much rather have the original 'Today's the Day' than a remix. A load of Sharkey originals have had to make way for remixes that I wouldn't buy. It's disappointing that it feels like material is kept behind a ?100 ransom

Why isn't there more information available on the completionist version? Am I to gamble ?100 and hope I get tracks like Todays The Day?



You know I?m pretty tight with my outlay at times but measured against wanting a few select tracks and not knowing what else to expect, I took the call to get the complete collection for the very reason of not having to worry about not getting what we want.

Would I pay the same for the vinylgroover back catalogue? Probably not because I don?t have that same level of yearning for a set of tracks. If that catalogue comes in at 50, I think it?s a deal. Ultimately people will pay what they think is fair for the product and if you are unwilling to pay for the full catalogue then i guess you have to wait and hope what you want comes out in an affordable circumstance. I decided with nit having to so much worry about the outlay just side step any chance of having to wait any longer than i have.

I fully support this model going forward because it really is the best of both worlds. When the ham debacle came about and there was no way i was going to pay for that shit. Or when Joey Riot and Kurt started charging 50-100 quid a year or whatever for their releases as soon as they were completed. I didn't like the premise but that didn't mean that i wouldn't consider that model for someone else. I would probably pay 50 quid a year for M-project or scott brown but not for many others. But unlike the Ham thing, this is a much less dickish way of doing things and i feel for anyone that cannot make this purchase purely due to financial constraints as apposed to not thinking it is worth the money, because that sucks and i hope things work out for you. If you don't think it is worth the cost, then that's your decision like mine with the Ham shit. However please do not give HU grief for their decision because they could have given us no options at all and just drip fed the whole catalogue over years to maximise their profit and i am glad we have these options.

I would personally like to thank the tireless dedication of HU for bringing this long mooted project to fruition in such a way that everyone can get what they want from this huge event in the history of our music. I'd also like to thank sharkey for allowing it to happen but it doesn't change the fact i think he is still a dick for making us wait this long.

Craigavon raver
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Originally posted by CDJay:
It's balancing a billion different things, I know the temptation is to list any rare or exclusive track due to scarcity but... It's an artist album intended to endure. There's no point duping an already released one, no sense in sating the two percent who want something esoteric. Most is entirely unreleased, and without intervention I promise would have remained. The completionist bundle and subsequently released digital caches cover far beyond reasonable expectations for a catalogue presumed closed.

CDJay



Your right, was just hoping that some tracks I really love made it there since there was a disc full of old tracks on it, as people are mentioning tracks that are on his hardlife album which to me is pure stupid as there already on an album and shouldn't be on a new 1, not unmixed anyway, if they appear on the dj mix then that is something completely different, so glad that panned out

Like you say its an artist album, so the tracks are on it that are supposed to be, supposed to be released years ago
CDJay Nothing is hidden behind a firewall, we said from the start everything is would get made available seperately. I think people perhaps underestimate the sheer volume, and balk at a headline figure. Of course Today's The Day is in the completionist edition, as is the Darwin remix. The decision was made by ourselves and Sharkey that the remix rendered them less relevant but they still exist. Everything means exactly that, and if I manage to source or clear something next year it'll get added gratis. Hence the title "completionist". You get what we have, now and going forward.

That's a level of unprecedented access, to a catalog largely unreleased.

I really don't know how else we could or should have done it, and I urge people to think about the potential for this model in a wider sense.

CDJay

CDJay Following that, there are various versions of tracks and unreleased things we'll throw up and in, because this model supports that. The booklet is increasingly novella length. There's so much potential here to open, study, and enjoy, swathes of scene history.

Takes nothing away from what we plan going forward, but history is always the best teacher. I think we've lost a lot of lessons, and stunning artists /material, and this is my last best hope to do something about it. So... Cheer up! Hehe.

CDJay
trippnface
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Originally posted by CDJay:
Following that, there are various versions of tracks and unreleased things we'll throw up and in, because this model supports that. The booklet is increasingly novella length. There's so much potential here to open, study, and enjoy, swathes of scene history.

Takes nothing away from what we plan going forward, but history is always the best teacher. I think we've lost a lot of lessons, and stunning artists /material, and this is my last best hope to do something about it. So... Cheer up! Hehe.

CDJay




If I was into sharkey more I would have been all over the completionist edition.

Do you see projects like this coming out in the future?
Or how often does an arist go through with something like this?

I know there are TONS of uk hardcore artists I wish would do this, no doubt.
tenfold234
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Do you see projects like this coming out in the future?
Or how often does an arist go through with something like this?


I don't think there are any Hardcore artists with that much unreleased material to warrant a release such as this.

Its almost 14 years since this album was announced and at one point in 2011 was fully scrapped in favour for a website (Sharkey Music) which had all the stuff (I assume) thats in the completionist edition available as single mp3s. Then he got pissed off on the piracy of Hardcore Energy 2 and basically told the scene your not getting anything.

Ive followed the scene for 20+ years and I think Sharkey is the only one who's held onto this much music for so long unreleased.

Although I was talking to Robbie Long 2 years ago and he asked me if it would be good idea to release a DVD of mp3s/wavs of all his material ever made for 50 quid. So I could be wrong
Samination Joey Riot made DVD with his stuff on. I believe it went for 50 quid too. I dont know how well it went though, but I bought it.
trippnface
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Originally posted by tenfold234:
quote:
Do you see projects like this coming out in the future?
Or how often does an arist go through with something like this?


I don't think there are any Hardcore artists with that much unreleased material to warrant a release such as this.

Its almost 14 years since this album was announced and at one point in 2011 was fully scrapped in favour for a website (Sharkey Music) which had all the stuff (I assume) thats in the completionist edition available as single mp3s. Then he got pissed off on the piracy of Hardcore Energy 2 and basically told the scene your not getting anything.

Ive followed the scene for 20+ years and I think Sharkey is the only one who's held onto this much music for so long unreleased.

Although I was talking to Robbie Long 2 years ago and he asked me if it would be good idea to release a DVD of mp3s/wavs of all his material ever made for 50 quid. So I could be wrong




interesting insight.

and please message robbie long back and say YES . haha.

man, that is exactly what im talkin about
trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Joey Riot made DVD with his stuff on. I believe it went for 50 quid too. I dont know how well it went though, but I bought it.



think i grabbed that too, and pretty glad, cuz he def don't make uk hardcore anymore.
Rodz90
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Originally posted by tenfold234:
quote:
Do you see projects like this coming out in the future?
Or how often does an arist go through with something like this?


I don't think there are any Hardcore artists with that much unreleased material to warrant a release such as this.



Hixxy is one such artist, although it would never happen.
Sulphurik
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It's balancing a billion different things, I know the temptation is to list any rare or exclusive track due to scarcity but... It's an artist album intended to endure. There's no point duping an already released one, no sense in sating the two percent who want something esoteric. Most is entirely unreleased, and without intervention I promise would have remained. The completionist bundle and subsequently released digital caches cover far beyond reasonable expectations for a catalogue presumed closed.

CDJay



Your right, was just hoping that some tracks I really love made it there since there was a disc full of old tracks on it, as people are mentioning tracks that are on his hardlife album which to me is pure stupid as there already on an album and shouldn't be on a new 1, not unmixed anyway, if they appear on the dj mix then that is something completely different, so glad that panned out

Like you say its an artist album, so the tracks are on it that are supposed to be, supposed to be released years ago




Fair enough everyone entitled to their own opinion on what should and should not be included. I do feel though for an album of this size, there are some tracks I'm surprised that aren't on the unmixed CDs. Yeah look forward to seeing what's on Sharkey's stem mix.

There are the remixes on CD1 by various artists which is fine but would have been great for there to have been new or unreleased/ unheard Sharkey tracks/ remixes to have featured on the album.

Sulphurik Tracks on CD 3 - Bonkers 1 and 2.

Death By Stereo - Off Yer Nut 2!!!!
Samination Death by Stereo is on Hard Life...

What Sharkey tracks on Bonkers 1 and 2 wheren't released (at all)?
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by Sulphurik:
Fair enough everyone entitled to their own opinion on what should and should not be included. I do feel though for an album of this size, there are some tracks I'm surprised that aren't on the unmixed CDs. Yeah look forward to seeing what's on Sharkey's stem mix.

There are the remixes on CD1 by various artists which is fine but would have been great for there to have been new or unreleased/ unheard Sharkey tracks/ remixes to have featured on the album.



Just out of interest, which tracks are you most suprised by ommision?

As far as CD1 goes, that *was* the original plan back in 2014. Sharkey has a more-than-full-time job, which is quite demanding, and even getting the time to pull this together has been an endurance trial.

It's also a case of maximising demographics; some new-to-the-scene types may be pulled in by the "new" remixes and discover a catalog of an artist they've perhaps heard of but aren't fully versed of.

Sharkey always enjoyed A/Ring; if you look back through Bonkers (etc) you'll notice he's put other aritists on, ahead of his own material, throughout. Pulling together the unmixed disc, as well as some bits for the stem mix, is what's got him excited about this project and is largely why it's happened at all.

CDJay
Captain Triceps It's looking likely that it will be new years before I have the pennies to buy this - am I still going to be able to get the full collection in one go or will it be too late, and I will need to buy the bundles and whatnot separately?
CDJay I'll hold you one if you PM your account details (the email you use to login/purchase)

CDJay
Dookie77 Is it wishful thinking that it will be available at midnight tonight?
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
I'll hold you one if you PM your account details (the email you use to login/purchase)

CDJay



Very good of you, I'll send it now :)
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by Dookie77:
Is it wishful thinking that it will be available at midnight tonight?




The unmixed stuff will be up for the weekend, 13th was our last posting day for international types so we'd set that as a deadline. Given we only just got the stem mix and booklet done, you get a sense of how off the mark we are. [;-)]

At least these days, we can get people the digital assets!

CDJay
Sulphurik
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Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Sulphurik:
Fair enough everyone entitled to their own opinion on what should and should not be included. I do feel though for an album of this size, there are some tracks I'm surprised that aren't on the unmixed CDs. Yeah look forward to seeing what's on Sharkey's stem mix.

There are the remixes on CD1 by various artists which is fine but would have been great for there to have been new or unreleased/ unheard Sharkey tracks/ remixes to have featured on the album.



Just out of interest, which tracks are you most suprised by ommision?

As far as CD1 goes, that *was* the original plan back in 2014. Sharkey has a more-than-full-time job, which is quite demanding, and even getting the time to pull this together has been an endurance trial.

It's also a case of maximising demographics; some new-to-the-scene types may be pulled in by the "new" remixes and discover a catalog of an artist they've perhaps heard of but aren't fully versed of.

Sharkey always enjoyed A/Ring; if you look back through Bonkers (etc) you'll notice he's put other aritists on, ahead of his own material, throughout. Pulling together the unmixed disc, as well as some bits for the stem mix, is what's got him excited about this project and is largely why it's happened at all.

CDJay




I know there's not room for many tracks. I would have thought Death By Stereo, Product Of Society, It's all just hardcore, Frantik, The Warning would have been on album.

Couple of other tracks good to hear again earlier - Sharkey & Robbie Long - Where's the Party At? and Stormtrooper & Social Outcast - Body Groove and Helix & Sharkey -
The Epilogue. Visions of Infinity original. Take Me Up (Energy & Sharkey remix).


Missingno
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Originally posted by CDJay:
Everyone who put the vocal mix of Sound Assassin when I said the instrumental version was on there 100% is an idiot but I admire their tenacity.


Thanks for the compliment.
Archefluxx
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Originally posted by Sulphurik:
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Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Sulphurik:
Fair enough everyone entitled to their own opinion on what should and should not be included. I do feel though for an album of this size, there are some tracks I'm surprised that aren't on the unmixed CDs. Yeah look forward to seeing what's on Sharkey's stem mix.

There are the remixes on CD1 by various artists which is fine but would have been great for there to have been new or unreleased/ unheard Sharkey tracks/ remixes to have featured on the album.



Just out of interest, which tracks are you most suprised by ommision?

As far as CD1 goes, that *was* the original plan back in 2014. Sharkey has a more-than-full-time job, which is quite demanding, and even getting the time to pull this together has been an endurance trial.

It's also a case of maximising demographics; some new-to-the-scene types may be pulled in by the "new" remixes and discover a catalog of an artist they've perhaps heard of but aren't fully versed of.

Sharkey always enjoyed A/Ring; if you look back through Bonkers (etc) you'll notice he's put other aritists on, ahead of his own material, throughout. Pulling together the unmixed disc, as well as some bits for the stem mix, is what's got him excited about this project and is largely why it's happened at all.

CDJay




I know there's not room for many tracks. I would have thought Death By Stereo, Product Of Society, It's all just hardcore, Frantik, The Warning would have been on album.

Couple of other tracks good to hear again earlier - Sharkey & Robbie Long - Where's the Party At? and Stormtrooper & Social Outcast - Body Groove and Helix & Sharkey -
The Epilogue. Visions of Infinity original. Take Me Up (Energy & Sharkey remix).





Why would you want tracks that have already been released and are available already on a new album?

That's absurd.
CDJay The Epilogue came *really* close but, thanks to older arrangements, lingered a smidgen too long. Two of those suggestions, amazingly, never actually occurred or got obviously suggested or instiagated triggering so that's pretty cool and will cause follow up.

There's only one amazing mix of Take Me Up, I forget which, but I get to abuse my power so rarely that it wins and therefore inadvertantly justifies my decision (unless it was that one, which I suspect it wasn't). The best one was on a CD called "Hardcore Innovators"

I know, more than anyone, that I'm facing multiple barrels of weaponry because this is late and the physical will not hit Xmas in a zillion years. My only defense is that I can supply what we have, digitally, and the alternative was "maybe March" meaning potentially never. This..... or nothing. Me, entirely in the firing line. Human shields genuinely appreciated.

CDJay
scottyd2k9 The completionist bundle do we get the CD album and digital downloads at the same time ? Or will we get them in parts ?

Also any idea when the full lot will be posted ??
Thanks
Dookie77 Not too interested in the physical really,its all about the digital.
CDJay We're actually pitching to get CDs 1-3 up, tonight!

Obviously there's still a lot of sorting (and remastering) to do for the Completionist side; we had to prioritise things from the Stem mix so that we could finally get this off to manufacture.

The current plan, is to have the Completionist stuff available on, or just before, *drum rolls* Xmas day. Ditto CD4; We're fully aware some people will have got this as an Xmas present and as we can't do anything to get the units here in time we'll ensure there's something awesome for the day!

Also, I am a F**ing moron for selecting E-Nuff for CD3 as it's off Hard Life. I must have just gone blind to it

Hours, not days!

CDJay
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:

Also, I am a F**ing moron for selecting E-Nuff for CD3 as it's off Hard Life. I must have just gone blind to it




God, not the Hard Life version. I can't believe anyone actually prefers this to the proper one.
Samination Yea, make sure it's the old version or the vinyl version, as I have heard that they sound very de-similar to the Hard Life CD version
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:

Also, I am a F**ing moron for selecting E-Nuff for CD3 as it's off Hard Life. I must have just gone blind to it




God, not the Hard Life version. I can't believe anyone actually prefers this to the proper one.



I was actually looking forward to getting it this time thinking it wasn't the one from "Hard Life".

Will the non-hardlife version be on completionist edition?
CDJay The club kinetic version is on the cd, I won't have that until tomorrow so cd3 is going up minus that track currently

CDJay
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
The club kinetic version is on the cd, I won't have that until tomorrow so cd3 is going up minus that track currently

CDJay



Are you saying it'll be part of the regular "non-completionist" edition?
CDJay Yes

CDJay
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Yes

CDJay



Yay!! Awesome!!

:D

As probably everyone on here, I'd love to get the Completionist edition but currently it's out of my reach.
So, Thanx, CDJay! You just made this Christmas a little better for me! ;)
CDJay Should have cds 1-3 live now.

Enjoy.

CDJay
Audio X
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Should have cds 1-3 live now.

Enjoy.

CDJay


Woooo! Grabbing these right tf now!

Any guess as to when the back catalogue will be up?
arpz Not showing up in my account ;'(
arpz I'm a retard.

It's there, further down the page. I win :)
CDJay AAAHAHAHAHAA WE DID IT!

*foams at mouth*

CDJay
djDMS Once i get my head out of my arse, and sort my life (and finances) out I'll have plenty of gorgeous music to look forward to.
Samination Snaje? SNAJE?! SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJE!!
CDJay
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Originally posted by Audio X:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Should have cds 1-3 live now.

Enjoy.

CDJay


Woooo! Grabbing these right tf now!

Any guess as to when the back catalogue will be up?



We're hoping to make it a very merry Xmas, for completionists *and* CD owners

CDJay
Missingno Before anything else, I must show my most sincere gratitude for the amazing work of rescuing and restoring the immense musical patrimony of Sharkey. There is no doubt that, without the efforts of those who have participated in the elaboration of this new album and the compilation of the digital masters of his whole discography, they would have been probably lost in the oblivion, most of them fated to be forever in such a defective format like the vinyl, with its crappy sound. For this reason, and in contrast with some other opinions that I have read along this topic, even 100 pounds could be considered a bargain if we take into account the vast amount of job recovering the also vast Sharkey's discography digitally.

I have already downloaded the first 3 CDs and for now I only have been able to listen to Sound Assassin. In this sense, I have to say that I was slightly disappointed due to the fact that it sounds quite different with respect to the version featured in Bonkers 3. It even seems an earlier version prior to the definitive version used in Bonkers 3, since some of the sounds are lacking (or just have a different sound) and the acid sequences are pretty different than those used in the mixed version. Regarding this issue, I guess that it must have been because you could not recover the definitive version, and instead the only source available was a DAT tape or something else with that prior version. What I would like to ask is whether I am correct or if it was due to a different reason.
Archefluxx Downloaded. Thanks
Samination Some of the older tracks seems to be overly compressed.

Will these be remastered better at a later date? I already got Rainbow Island so that one aint a biggy for me, but the other's are alittle.


Scratch that. A SHIT load of the tracks are overly compressed. Newer tracks doesnt sound so horrible, but it's sounds like a bad attempt to loudness war "a la Metallica" got shit for
Missingno Until next week I will not be able to listen to the albums with proper headphones, but I will analyze as well that dynamic range loss stated by Samination. For now, the only thing I can say is that tracks 8, 9 and 11 from CD 3 are vinyl recordings.

On the positive side, I am very happy with Terra Nova, which is a legit digital master and, unlike Sound Assassin, sounds exactly like the version featured in Bonkers 3 and later released on vinyl as Digital Manouvers - Terranova.
trippnface
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Originally posted by Missingno:
Until next week I will not be able to listen to the albums with proper headphones, but I will analyze as well that dynamic range loss stated by Samination. For now, the only thing I can say is that tracks 8, 9 and 11 from CD 3 are vinyl recordings.

On the positive side, I am very happy with Terra Nova, which is a legit digital master and, unlike Sound Assassin, sounds exactly like the version featured in Bonkers 3 and later released on vinyl as Digital Manouvers - Terranova.



forgive my ignorance, when you say " Vinyl recording" , you mean , they got the track onto the disc by ripping it directly from a record as opposed to sharkey having the file or whatever and being able to work on it to the degree it should be?

I have no idea how this works. There isn't a program where you could rip from vinyl back into comp and like.. open all the elements of the track to re work?


CDJay 8/9: They're off Dat, but redline masters. There's only so much you can do. Also some of the Dats are vinyl masters, ie that's their intended purpose. Not vinyl "sourced"

I may have used the wrong version of Sound Assassin, there are several. This one was taken from the same Dat as the other b3 stuff (beginning of the end, Terra Nova, end of the beginning) so I had assumed it was the right one. We may be stuck in a situation where all versions aren't the, "right" one but I'll do what I can.

CDJay
Vladel Now comes the emmensly painful process of unzip, add wav to itunes, convert to aac, delete wav and repeat
lainnix
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
Now comes the emmensly painful process of unzip, add wav to itunes, convert to aac, delete wav and repeat


Don't do that! At least use Apple Lossless to keep the quality.
arpz Had a bit of a mix up with em all earlier :D

I'm sure we have the absolute best quality available so no grumbles from me :)
Sulphurik The Today's the day (Fracus & Darwin remix) is a new remix? remember Darwin did the 2009 remix on Bonkers Original Hardcore album. 2009 remix was good aswell as the original. Remember Bonkers Anthem feat. Lisa Abbott from that album also.
Sulphurik Never Say Die
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by Sulphurik:
The Today's the day (Fracus & Darwin remix) is a new remix? remember Darwin did the 2009 remix on Bonkers Original Hardcore album. 2009 remix was good aswell as the original. Remember Bonkers Anthem feat. Lisa Abbott from that album also.



Yeah, it just had a production pass and tweaks from the duo.

CDJay
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by trippnface:
forgive my ignorance, when you say " Vinyl recording" , you mean , they got the track onto the disc by ripping it directly from a record as opposed to sharkey having the file or whatever and being able to work on it to the degree it should be?


That's right, I meant ripping it directly from a vinyl record.

quote:
Originally posted by trippnface:
I have no idea how this works. There isn't a program where you could rip from vinyl back into comp and like.. open all the elements of the track to re work?



It is not possible, not even with the digital master (it would be like trying to extract the red and yellow paint from orange paint after mixing the former ones). To do this you would need the original project file in which the song was made, together with the required software, VSTs and samples, or rather all the different sound sequences split by channels, each one in a separate file.

quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
8/9: They're off Dat, but redline masters. There's only so much you can do. Also some of the Dats are vinyl masters, ie that's their intended purpose. Not vinyl "sourced"



Then I must have gotten it wrong. Maybe it is just that the percussion samples that Sharkey used for these songs were sourced from vinyl.

quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
I may have used the wrong version of Sound Assassin, there are several. This one was taken from the same Dat as the other b3 stuff (beginning of the end, Terra Nova, end of the beginning) so I had assumed it was the right one. We may be stuck in a situation where all versions aren't the, "right" one but I'll do what I can.

CDJay



I'm so glad to read that The Beginning Of The End and End Of The Beginning have been recovered, as well as the fact that there were several versions of Sound Assassin; probably the right one is somewhere else. Will you make them all available in the digital catalogue? Also, was Temporal Rift in that tape or, at least, somewhere else?
trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by lainnix:
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
Now comes the emmensly painful process of unzip, add wav to itunes, convert to aac, delete wav and repeat


Don't do that! At least use Apple Lossless to keep the quality.



yeah I just have itunes convert everything to ALAC when it gets imported
arpz Al Storm remix of bonkers anthem is amazing:D
Triquatra Ecccchoing what everyone has said :) Downloaded and enjoyed; CD3 the most being a very happily stuck-in-the-past-head.

Teknostorm does seem to be clipping all over the place though in comparison to the full version that's on the unmixed CD of 'The No1 Hardcore Album The Oldskool Mix' o.o

really lovely hearing those Bonkers 3 tracks properly. Nice one! :)

Vladel I don't think there is any major difference when you are talking 320kps AAC, certainly not worth all the extra data.

Btw my download was missing two tracks from disk 3.
Triquatra Certainly a slightly different version to Sound Assasin on second listen. That first big drop after the breakdown as it goes into the 4/4 kick the acid should peak and start crawling back down the scale again!
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
I don't think there is any major difference when you are talking 320kps AAC, certainly not worth all the extra data.

Btw my download was missing two tracks from disk 3.



There's quite alot of fidelity that's lost if you do though. Not always noticed on crapy speakers i have, but there are a few occasions i can hear something... :P

Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
Al Storm remix of bonkers anthem is amazing:D



Judging by the sound Al storm was making, I would say 2009 or 2010 that one.
scottyd2k9 is anyone else missing track 10 on disc 3 ??
djDMS Saw something about licensing issues with CD3 last night, maybe it's something to do with that?
Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by scottyd2k9:
is anyone else missing track 10 on disc 3 ??




Aye, I am, too busy enjoying the CD to notice haha!

I must admit though they do sound like "DJ Masters" for thonking out in a club, hoping that the CD versions will be a little less harsh for home/regular listening.
Vladel Man I am so glad I bought the completionist package.
lainnix All the posts about poor mastering/sourcing are making me a bit worried, have to say.
scottyd2k9 Cdjay
Are there any remixes of the awakening or wicked mc in the completionist edition ?
They are my fav sharkey tracks. Would love to hear other versions.
:)
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Got all the survey responses back, am using it to inform (tbh I am arrogant enough to presume I know best, but meek enough to take suggestion )

Everyone who put the vocal mix of Sound Assassin when I said the instrumental version was on there 100% is an idiot but I admire their tenacity.

CD2/3 are a decent split across all eras, styles etc. There were runaway winners, but the expected ones. The main thing that got pulled from the brink is the Rainbow Island remix which I hadn't really considered but was popular enough to now feature.

Lots of votes for the Darwin remix of "Today's the Day" but it's rendered obselete by the F&D update; it'll still exist in the digital domain but there's no point replicating and wasting a valuable space on the middle discs. Also I can't believe "Forever Flying" got one vote, that's completely mental and it's going on anyway...... remastered at Metropolis for my amusement.

CDJay




I have to say the Darwin remix is twice the track of that update
Samination what strikes me odd, but has Sharkey rarely done any remixes?

Most of the tracks on the CD's (still waiting for the CD4 of course) are basicly just remixes of Sharkey's tracks.


God damn the compression on the tracks are maddening. I'm listening the original of Lazerbeam Addict, and the levels on the higher frequences jump around every time the lower freq aren't present.

God Jay, I know how much you've put your sole (but not your soul) into this project, and how much we've asked for it, but considering how pedantic you where with the quality of Tru the Roof release, how the effin hell did you allow this ****ery?

Or rather, how the hell did whoever made the DATs **** it up so much? Clearly it's evident that a bunch of the tracks aren't this bad on other releases
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
what strikes me odd, but has Sharkey rarely done any remixes?

Most of the tracks on the CD's (still waiting for the CD4 of course) are basicly just remixes of Sharkey's tracks.


God damn the compression on the tracks are maddening. I'm listening the original of Lazerbeam Addict, and the levels on the higher frequences jump around every time the lower freq aren't present.

God Jay, I know how much you've put your sole (but not your soul) into this project, and how much we've asked for it, but considering how pedantic you where with the quality of Tru the Roof release, how the effin hell did you allow this ****ery?

Or rather, how the hell did whoever made the DATs **** it up so much? Clearly it's evident that a bunch of the tracks aren't this bad on other releases



It's simply a case of having what we have; we can't go back in time and archive everything properly as unmastered .wav or pre-master DAT. We're still scouring for better versions, for anything and everything, and will continue to do so in perpetuity.

CDJay
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by scottyd2k9:
Cdjay
Are there any remixes of the awakening or wicked mc in the completionist edition ?
They are my fav sharkey tracks. Would love to hear other versions.
:)




There *should* be a remix of The Awakening, but it didn't arrive in time for the CDs. There were some attempts at Wicked MC, but didn't quite get finished to the required standard in time. Should that happen, it will get added to the completionist bundle.

CDJay
Elipton This has been a fiasco of an album release.

Why didn't you consolidate your efforts or wait a few extra months to get this project (which seems impossible not to be a success) completely right? It's frustrating that as a fan of the music, I'm given the wrong versions of songs because someone 'assumed' it was the right one amongst the 2.5 CD's of music made available..

I get that you work hard, but everything good you bring is counteracted by delays and communication problems. It's a sad state of issues, and I hope that for your sake that you get CDs out before Christmas to undo some of the damage.

I feel like you should focus your efforts on less projects at once in order to get them right. Beyond Sharkey, the marketing for Hardcore Heaven Vol 3 has completely bypassed me, and I'm not detached from the scene's news. The only news I've heard about Al Storms' Fractured Mind has come from the man himself.

HU is the best Hardcore has in terms of labels. Please make the best of the opportunity!
CDJay That's a surprisingly easy question to answer.

It was a straight choice between jumping in front of the bullet or the project dying again and this time forever. Either we set pre Xmas deadlines, and fight tooth and nail to hit them, *or* phrases like "March" or "Mid next year" started getting uttered which in terms of getting this 16 year delayed project out in any form is the same thing as never.

Sound Assassin is annoyingly tricky, we knew we had the "wrong" version for months but it was closest to the B3 version. When I was down there we found a DAT which contained both vocal and instrumental mixes alongside a bunch of other B3 stuff. We're still looking through but these are teeny tiny differences and Sharkey works a 80-90 hour week and lives a few away. DATs keep getting chewed up, adding a sheen of tension to proceedings.

As for 2.5 CDs... there's currrently one track missing, and one being swapped out for an alternative sourced master.

We're ramping up the advertising for the other projects this week, there's a podcast coming and we have an Xmas "plan". It doesn't involve the CDs because there's just no way of getting over the fact that slip this time of year is unrecoverable due to general lead times, plant closures, delivery costs etc.

CDJay
Samination If only people could be more straight forward with their answers like you, instead of saying "haters, you make me depressed" they could be honest and say "I don't really like making Hardcore, please stop hounding me :("
scottyd2k9 the 01 - Sharkey - Product Of Society (Fracus & Darwin Remix) track
does anyone know how the bass is made ?? I am trying to create a similar bassline. I can get the roll bass but cant get the sound.

Any know any good tips ?
Vladel Ok some opinions. I spent ?131 on my last order and this was part of it and it's not been a big sucess for me but the track selection on the album just vindicates the decision to buy the completionist package so i can get what i want and hopefuilly the value i wanted.

It was nice to get dual illuminations which was pretty much all i was interested in from disk 2 & 3 so that leaves the remix disk.
A major surprise was the Jakka B remix, i never like his music but that remix scores well for me.
M-Project is always well received if the genesis remix just followed his generic formula he has used for scott brown remixes.
The Bonkers anthem remix isn't bad for an old one and wasn't the version i want.
The Dual illuminations remix was a nice surprise.
As mentioned before the F&D update to todays the day is eclisped by it's two predecessors.

I wasn't really bothered by the rest.
CDJay On the plus side you'll definitely get all your preferred versions. Smile.

Edit: If you paid that, I get the entitlement. I do When people call something a fiasco when there's a Cube Hard remix of Sound Assassin and Black Rain is finally released I long to see the alternative multiverse where it was better. Did HTID save it all and I got knighted and paid for my efforts ? Let me live there. It sounds magical.

CDJay
Rodz90 @CDJay I feel like you are missing Eliptons point a little.

Rather then simultaneously juggling three projects, you could have focused on getting one to the finish line to a high standard. Perhaps then the physical product might have been delivered on time.

I don't know you or your story, and i'm sure you have your reasons for every decision you make which you really don't need to justify to anybody. Just that from an outsiders perspective it looks like you are juggling way too much at the same time.

At the end of the day HU is all there is left shipping any new hardcore music, so in any case I am grateful for all the hard work you and the rest of the team put in. Thank you!
CDJay It's as I said. Without the deadline this album would never happen. I failed once three years ago. I knew it would be traumatic, but as the only person capable of saving this catalogue I blindly ran into traffic anyway. I almost regret it.

CDJay
Vladel The music got out and if they hadn?t got this far, everyone would be moaning that it hasn?t happened yet so while it may not be everyone?s cup of tea, the alternative is much worse and I think people need to be grateful.
CDJay The lobe highlight is that I predicted this outcome and planned ahead. The Lone reason I'm not looking at HTID Australia and our delayed unit shipment is I actually have a plan to placate reasonable people. I feel bad. It's an outcome no one wants no matter how likely. Maybe I have a sweetheart deal. Smile.

CDJay
scottyd2k9
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
The music got out and if they hadn?t got this far, everyone would be moaning that it hasn?t happened yet so while it may not be everyone?s cup of tea, the alternative is much worse and I think people need to be grateful.



I have to agree. If this didn't get released it probably would never have so I am glad that it is here now. At least I know the completionist edition is just around the corner and not a future release.
lainnix Is there any chance the rest of the tracks from the completionist edition will make their way to future CDs? Like a part 2, part 3 of the series or similar.
CDJay I'm not convinced it would be worthwhile, the general digital availability is most important going forward. We said all along the idea was to rescue the catalogue above all else.

As far as juggling multiple projects goes, I led the Sharkey album, Fracus led HH3, Al entirely handled his own album (he's one of about five people I'd trust to that). HH3 was plagued by licensing problems, which delayed that, Sharkey album missed deadlines even after we allowed for the aforementioned.

HH3 wasn't even the original plan we were working on something else and got thrown under the bus yet again. People bemoan the state if the scene, but it's far worse from where we're sitting. If we had any self preservation instincts we'd have run screaming by now.

Ellipton mentioned the advertising, the sad reality is that engagement makes social media spending cost efficient. We just put out the third major comp in twelve months and two artist albums... Who's even mentioning it? Any of the major promoters or so called leading lights? No. There is no scene; its utterly ****ed.

CDJay
Elipton
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
I'm not convinced it would be worthwhile, the general digital availability is most important going forward. We said all along the idea was to rescue the catalogue above all else.

As far as juggling multiple projects goes, I led the Sharkey album, Fracus led HH3, Al entirely handled his own album (he's one of about five people I'd trust to that). HH3 was plagued by licensing problems, which delayed that, Sharkey album missed deadlines even after we allowed for the aforementioned.

HH3 wasn't even the original plan we were working on something else and got thrown under the bus yet again. People bemoan the state if the scene, but it's far worse from where we're sitting. If we had any self preservation instincts we'd have run screaming by now.

Ellipton mentioned the advertising, the sad reality is that engagement makes social media spending cost efficient. We just put out the third major comp in twelve months and two artist albums... Who's even mentioning it? Any of the major promoters or so called leading lights? No. There is no scene; its utterly ****ed.

CDJay



I private messaged you. Not sure if it worked or not given the state of the site.
Thumpa I would probably get this completionist package if I knew the version of Sound Assassion from Bonkers 3, the Bonkers 1 version and Best Of Bonkers version of Toytown, Return To Toytown and his various 96/97 tunes were on there.

When the completionist package is released can someone please put a list up?
CDJay Shall be doing so!

CDJay
martinj1985 my mix

thank you please!
Ikstra What's the release date for the Completionist bundle?
CDJay We'll be getting all the stuff up used on the stem mix before NYE, with the rest to follow throughout January.

There's a lot

CDJay
Vladel Looking forward to it.
Dookie77
quote:
We'll be getting all the stuff up used on the stem mix before NYE



Oooooh,todays the day!(Hopefully!)
MovingShadows A few questions for CDJay

1. Will all the material be going up on Spotify at any point?

2. Is the original version of Anything She Wants on the completionist bundle?

3. How come there isn't one CD that is presented solely as the previously unreleased Sharkey productions? For eg, why did you choose to mix up stuff like Black Rain and Bang Like A Mother with remixes from Ephexis on disc 2? Just feel like it would have felt more like an 'album disc' if that disc was purely the post Hard Life/post Bonkerz/post Kaotik Sharkey productions.... and presented a stronger artistic statement for me.

4. Are there any other previously unreleased original Sharkey productions on the completionist bundle? As that is what attracts me.
MovingShadows A question for everyone who has bought the completionist bundle - has it been worth it?
scottyd2k9
quote:
Originally posted by MovingShadows:
A question for everyone who has bought the completionist bundle - has it been worth it?



Dont know yet as we only have the CDs upto now
Ikstra
quote:
Originally posted by MovingShadows:
A question for everyone who has bought the completionist bundle - has it been worth it?



Nothing's been released/provided aside from Disc 1-4 of the £15 album. It's multiple weeks late and an utter disappointment. I'll be cancelling my order, I can't bring myself to care any more.
Samination It's basicly just a kickstarter campaign, so calm down already! Be glad that Hixxy didn't do a kickstarter for raverbaby mp3's in 2004 :P

I'm more disappointed at the mastering than it being late.
Brainchild I bought the completionist collection because I wanted the tracks Sharkey produced in the 90s and a lot of his unreleased work. I assumed like many that it would all be available from 13th December.

I knew the CD wouldn't ship on time because Hardcore Underground rarely do with physical products. But I am unimpressed by the lateness of the digital contents and the fact we weren't outright told how it would be distributed (ie over a number of weeks). We still never got the digital tracks that were supposed to be used in the CD4 mix, which was meant to be done by the end of 2017.

As others have said, the mastering of the tracks is not great. I am not sure if this is to do with the DAT being used or what but it certainly isn't the greatest.

And all this makes me extremely wary of buying into the ones they are planning to do for Vinylgroover, Al Storm and Stompy.
trippnface I still blame sharkey for all these problems .

:P
scottyd2k9
quote:
Originally posted by Brainchild:
I bought the completionist collection because I wanted the tracks Sharkey produced in the 90s and a lot of his unreleased work. I assumed like many that it would all be available from 13th December.

I knew the CD wouldn't ship on time because Hardcore Underground rarely do with physical products. But I am unimpressed by the lateness of the digital contents and the fact we weren't outright told how it would be distributed (ie over a number of weeks). We still never got the digital tracks that were supposed to be used in the CD4 mix, which was meant to be done by the end of 2017.

As others have said, the mastering of the tracks is not great. I am not sure if this is to do with the DAT being used or what but it certainly isn't the greatest.

And all this makes me extremely wary of buying into the ones they are planning to do for Vinylgroover, Al Storm and Stompy.



I have to agree. This has been the one I've been waiting for, for years. I really wanted this to turn out the best. I'll wait and see what the completion edition is like.
Triquatra I think the mastering thing is a strange catch 22


Refering specifically to the old tracks (which is basically all I'm interested in; they are old tracks, so the likelyhood is that the end user will either be old and not DJing, just wanting to listen to them at home/not playing them out. OR if they are a current DJ will be mixing them with other old tracks, which would have had older...gentler...mastering done to them.

But they're being released in 2017/8, so the go-to seems to be to master them so that they are inline with and can be mixed with 2017 tracks.


I'm only guessing, I don't know for sure the audience who are buying them, other than myself, of course.
But I'm not a DJ, i'm not going to be playing them out. I'm going to be listening to them at home. If I do put them on my decks, as an old fogie, i'm going to be playing them alongside other tracks from that era.

I mean have a look at the waveforms. first is a sharkey track off Hardcore Innovators, back in 98, the kind of track I would consider mixing it into/out of:


Second is mind launch off tech noir.
MovingShadows I thought the idea was that those that buy the Completionist bundle choose the CD tracklisting based on their favourites from that bundle?

Triquatra We were asked what tracks we'd like to see on it, it wasn't a multiple choice thing.

If they put all the unreleased tracks on one CD then nobody would buy the bundles, so that wouldn't really make much buisness sense :P
Samination I originally thought that was the idea too, but Jay asked the buyers of the Completionist bundle to write down their top 25-30 sharkey tracks for CD2 and 3.

Anyways, here's my comparison for Rainbow Island:

Updated:
First track is a my vinyl reripped to FLAC, cleaned (oh the horror!) and normalized.
Second track is the original rip of my vinyl to MP3 with just a slight normalization.
Third track is the completionist version

Dookie77 With all the hype and expectations,this release seems to have been a bit of a cluster****.
Triquatra I wouldn't say so. Can't really call it that when the project hasn't been released yet. :P
Vladel The tracks will come as they come. After waiting all these years, I don?t think another couple of weeks will kill anyone.
tenfold234 I think the reason the completionist tracks haven't been released yet is because they are planning to release them in the bundle packages that will be available to everyone. CDJay will probably release a newsletter/post releasing the pre-orders for January's HU releases and those bundles will be part of it. The only thing the completionist guarantees is that we get them all for a much lower cost, not necessarily first access.

Thats my theory anyways. I'm probably wrong though.
Brainchild
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
I think the reason the completionist tracks haven't been released yet is because they are planning to release them in the bundle packages that will be available to everyone. CDJay will probably release a newsletter/post releasing the pre-orders for January's HU releases and those bundles will be part of it. The only thing the completionist guarantees is that we get them all for a much lower cost, not necessarily first access.

Thats my theory anyways. I'm probably wrong though.



If that was indeed the case then I feel it should have been communicated upon the announcement of the completionist tracks. It came across as being all available day one on 13th December. I really hope Hardcore Underground takes all these comments on board for when they do the others for Vinylgroover etc.
lainnix
quote:
Originally posted by Brainchild:
I really hope Hardcore Underground takes all these comments on board for when they do the others for Vinylgroover etc.



This x100.
CDJay The stem mix, and work required for it, took significantly longer than expected.

The tracks used for that, and not featured on CDs 1-3, will be going up shortly. Everything else we are still pulling together and licensing (hey, Vladel, Hixxy cleared the Toytown remix etc today. )

Obviously I want everything up yesterday, and the CDs shipped already, but getting this album across the finish line is genuinely the hardest thing I've done. We're very happy with it, and we're still working on it.

Once the dust settles, and completionists have access to the extended catalog, I suspect everyone will be quite content. As I've said before, even if we can't get something, or we later source a better version of something (I really want to find a few things I only had redline or intended for vinyl masters, specifically) we will update in perpetuity.

I'm guessing most people alread know this, but CDs 1-4 are all available to download now. E-Nuff will be added this week, and I'll get some completionist stuff off to kick off the new year

CDJay
tenfold234 What happened to the stem mix tracks that were supposed to be up before NYE?
MovingShadows
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
The stem mix, and work required for it, took significantly longer than expected.

The tracks used for that, and not featured on CDs 1-3, will be going up shortly. Everything else we are still pulling together and licensing (hey, Vladel, Hixxy cleared the Toytown remix etc today. )

Obviously I want everything up yesterday, and the CDs shipped already, but getting this album across the finish line is genuinely the hardest thing I've done. We're very happy with it, and we're still working on it.

Once the dust settles, and completionists have access to the extended catalog, I suspect everyone will be quite content. As I've said before, even if we can't get something, or we later source a better version of something (I really want to find a few things I only had redline or intended for vinyl masters, specifically) we will update in perpetuity.

I'm guessing most people alread know this, but CDs 1-4 are all available to download now. E-Nuff will be added this week, and I'll get some completionist stuff off to kick off the new year

CDJay




Will any of it ever go up on Spotify?
tenfold234 Hey CDJay I have a suggestion for your next scene archival projection. Instead of doing Stompy or Storm how bout Robbie Long/TNC. I have noticed that you cannot get any more TNC mp3's anywhere anymore and I was speaking with Robbie Long a few years ago and he expressed interest in releasing a dvd of mp3s of his entire back catalog but nothing came of it. Apparently he had alot of unreleased material as well
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
Hey CDJay I have a suggestion for your next scene archival projection. Instead of doing Stompy or Storm how bout Robbie Long/TNC. I have noticed that you cannot get any more TNC mp3's anywhere anymore and I was speaking with Robbie Long a few years ago and he expressed interest in releasing a dvd of mp3s of his entire back catalog but nothing came of it. Apparently he had alot of unreleased material as well



I dont know if you asked something similar ('cause someone did), but just tell him to do just like Joey Riot. Burn your own DVD's
tenfold234 He only asked me if I would be down to buy his entire discography for 50 quid and that he would burn it on a dvd. This was a few years ago as he was interested in making some spare money to fund some Fidget House/Electro he wanted to start making. He was going to post something on here to test the waters on the dvd project and if he got enough want he would do it
Mad Max
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
Hey CDJay I have a suggestion for your next scene archival projection. Instead of doing Stompy or Storm how bout Robbie Long/TNC. I have noticed that you cannot get any more TNC mp3's anywhere anymore and I was speaking with Robbie Long a few years ago and he expressed interest in releasing a dvd of mp3s of his entire back catalog but nothing came of it. Apparently he had alot of unreleased material as well



I have mentioned this a few times over the years!

I would pay good money and i already i own most on vinyl.
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
The stem mix, and work required for it, took significantly longer than expected.

The tracks used for that, and not featured on CDs 1-3, will be going up shortly. Everything else we are still pulling together and licensing (hey, Vladel, Hixxy cleared the Toytown remix etc today. )

Obviously I want everything up yesterday, and the CDs shipped already, but getting this album across the finish line is genuinely the hardest thing I've done. We're very happy with it, and we're still working on it.

Once the dust settles, and completionists have access to the extended catalog, I suspect everyone will be quite content. As I've said before, even if we can't get something, or we later source a better version of something (I really want to find a few things I only had redline or intended for vinyl masters, specifically) we will update in perpetuity.

I'm guessing most people alread know this, but CDs 1-4 are all available to download now. E-Nuff will be added this week, and I'll get some completionist stuff off to kick off the new year

CDJay




That?s brilliant news about toytown.
CDJay First completionist batch nearly uploaded. Largely unreleased. It'll also. Clue up on the breadth of inclusion.

CDJay
Rhoobarb2005 Is there any chance it would include Cybersurfin' by Surgery?
CDJay Isn't that "Painkiller" from Hard Life?

CDJay
Triquatra Naw, Cybersurfin' by Surgery is on Bonkers 5. Very different from painkiller. It's an aaaamazing unreleased track he did with Matt Schwartzzzararsts!*

*sp
Rhoobarb2005
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
Naw, Cybersurfin' by Surgery is on Bonkers 5. Very different from painkiller. It's an aaaamazing unreleased track he did with Matt Schwartzzzararsts!*

*sp




^^This

Cybersurfin' has been one of my favourites since B5 was released. Always hoped it would make a full release. Those sweeping synths, oh my!

btw, love your version of The Ravechief. So many from the Bonkers series that are lost. (but never forgotten!)
Triquatra Cheers! I actually remade the original from scratch too, like I did with the hixxy remix of DJs Unite...but I have kept it off the internet because I once heard a certain someone say he had it on a DAT along with all the other Bonkers 3 stuff..................



.........................



..................................................................................................I have my fingers crossed.
CDJay Okay, on it, just going by what he said earlier. This is why this project is great, I can undo many wrongs

CDJay
tenfold234 I was just on the site and it is showing the stem tracks but I can't download. Says the zip is not ready
CDJay I think the zip builder runs from an automated script.every morning. If it still isn't working I'll get a manual run initiated.

Edit: Site is down. Updates as I get them.

CDJay
Rhoobarb2005
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
Cheers! I actually remade the original from scratch too, like I did with the hixxy remix of DJs Unite...but I have kept it off the internet because I once heard a certain someone say he had it on a DAT along with all the other Bonkers 3 stuff..................



.........................



..................................................................................................I have my fingers crossed.




I had heard they were lost in the ether. Good to hear there may be a glimmer of hope!


Also. geting "Whoops, looks like something went wrong." trying to access HU's site.
Triquatra UFO lost the original project files in a hard drive crash along with much of his old stuff, yeah :(

CDJay Pretty damned sure we have it. Definitely got trip to the other side, the first and last tracks from b3 mix etc.

CDJay
CDJay Site is back up, if someone wants to test the first Completionist batch it'd be appreciated

CDJay
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
UFO lost the original project files in a hard drive crash along with much of his old stuff, yeah :(



This is what we get when the musical patrimony has been mistreated so badly by:


  • Only releasing most of the music on vinyl, with no chance to purchase them in a digital format, mostly releases from 90's and early 00's.

  • Extinction of the labels without any interest at all in the stuff they leave behind.

  • Producers that could not care less about their own works, only keeping the masters in a single HDD or not even that.



It is certainly sad and utterly tragic to see such terrible losses of an uncountable amount of valuable musical patrimony, with lots of songs fated to be forever imprisoned in such an imperfect and defective container like the vinyl. And, in turn, this why I think we have to strongly support projects like this completionist bundle, which in my humble opinion is an almost heroic action of musical heritage recovery.
DJGouda I still get the error "Zip is not ready for download yet".
Dookie77
quote:
Site is back up, if someone wants to test the first Completionist batch it'd be appreciated

CDJay


Zip is not ready for download.
CDJay Expected as much. On it!

CDJay
CDJay Sorted, one track has a weird file name but otherwise fine!

CDJay
lone_raver Just downloaded now and away to listen to the tracks. Can?t wait for the rest of it to come and thanks to everyone at hardcore underground for making this happen.
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Sorted, one track has a weird file name but otherwise fine!

CDJay



I expected WAVs rather than 320 kbps mp3. Will you eventually release the lossless files?
CDJay !!!!!

should be .wav

Fixing!

CDJay
CDJay Done. Web guy misunderstood content as I said it was from the stem mix.

CDJay
CDJay First Completionist batch includes:

Arkitech - Ready To Move (Synthwulf Remix)
Cube Hard - 2D Sci Fi
Darwin, Obie and Mr. E - StereoSonic (A.B Remix)
Ham & Sharkey - Don't Stop
Rikki Arkitech - Shadow Of A Memory (A.B Remix)
Sharkey - Funk'D Hardcore
Sharkey - Lizard Lounge
Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Douglas Remix)
Sharkey - Can You Feel (C.R.A.F.T Mix)
Sharkey - LoTek (Oli G Remix)
Sharkey - Pumpin Religion (Inverse & Orbit1 Remix)
Sharkey - Terrabeat (Darwin Remix)
Sharkey & Arkitech - Where Shall My Wandering Soul Begin (Finnbarr Remix)
Sharkey - The Awakening (Joey Riot Remix)

edit: Who saw that Cube::Hard bit coming, eh? Was signed to Kaotik.... but never released and forgotten. There's a lot of things like that

CDJay
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
First Completionist batch includes:

Arkitech - Ready To Move (Synthwulf Remix)
Cube Hard - 2D Sci Fi
Darwin, Obie and Mr. E - StereoSonic (A.B Remix)
Ham & Sharkey - Don't Stop
Rikki Arkitech - Shadow Of A Memory (A.B Remix)
Sharkey - Funk'D Hardcore
Sharkey - Lizard Lounge
Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Douglas Remix)
Sharkey - Can You Feel (C.R.A.F.T Mix)
Sharkey - LoTek (Oli G Remix)
Sharkey - Pumpin Religion (Inverse & Orbit1 Remix)
Sharkey - Terrabeat (Darwin Remix)
Sharkey & Arkitech - Where Shall My Wandering Soul Begin (Finnbarr Remix)
Sharkey - The Awakening (Joey Riot Remix)

edit: Who saw that Cube::Hard bit coming, eh? Was signed to Kaotik.... but never released and forgotten. There's a lot of things like that

CDJay



We're also getting tunes that don't even have Sharkey involvement?
CDJay Yes, if they were signed to one of his labels or are remixes of tracks signed to his labels.

Remember when I said it was more than people had assumed?

Yes that includes ultraworld 5.

*curtseys*

CDJay
crossfire Loving this so far, defo dragging my ass to Bristol next week for the "first STEM mix"
Loving that cubehard track not sure ive heard that before.
Is there a rough track list yet, keep coming across tracks etc i hope are on there, the reese remix ocd has just popped in my head ???
djDMS Anybody who has the nerve to complain after that kind of news is the type of person who is never satisfied!

And this is coming from someone who had little interest in the album/package.

Egg. On. Face.
CDJay There's so much, we're still sorting. This batch was easy as they were all on the stem mix, the trick is I need to upload them in a way they can be made available for sale as batches for non completionists which requires us to be further along than we are. There's absolutely shed loads though. We're prioritising some 90s stuff for the next batch, then some mid noughties stuff (including OCD Reese remix, as it goes!). The main tragedy is that our website revamp and server upgrade will likely come after you've all had to download it through the current constrained system. Still, maketh the man through strife etc.

CDJay
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Done. Web guy misunderstood content as I said it was from the stem mix.

CDJay



That's great, thank you very much for your quick reply and amendment! :)
crossfire sounds amazing, was hoping for some kind off big dump of tracks when i first purchased, much to my other halfs dismay, 100 pounds for a cd, but we get every thing... and it does seem that way well chuffed.
Getting a sorta bundle at a time works for me, gives me time to go through, its amazing to get these track
arpz Aren't we all lucky! :D

HU delivers, again.
CDJay I was born prematurely so I presume I'm kicking against that.

CDJay
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Yes, if they were signed to one of his labels or are remixes of tracks signed to his labels.

Remember when I said it was more than people had assumed?

Yes that includes ultraworld 5.

*curtseys*

CDJay




OH MY DEAREST GOD!!! YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CDJay You can imagine the duality between actioning such things whilst knowing the cost is a cd release as likely to be on time as.... This. Still, life changing stem mix, catalogue rescue, some sort of awesome tribute at my funeral.

CDJay
Vladel It's great to see this stuff coming through. On the up side, I liked the awakening remix, Darwins terabeat remix is ok and Oli g's lotek remix is class. On the downside, Finnbarrs track was of the usual standard and i literally laughed my ass off during Thumpa's hissy fit about scott browns anthem bashing when it was obvious why everyone walked out when they heard that Finnbarr opener. Secondly another crappy ascending angels remix (when we all really know which one we want) by Mr Dull-glas himself. Other than that, nice start.
Samination Gabber remix of Awakening?
I was expecting some early Powerbounce version actually. I think Awakeningcould work with a pre-Powerstomp remix
DJ Reevzy Is it me or does the Teknostorm rmx sound "noisy"? Doesn't have room to breathe!!
Elipton Gonna keep a finger on the pulse with this one. Not in a place to buy, bit so far the completionist pack is sounding better than anticipated (kinda why i asked for a list of songs when I considered buying it over the album). May well nab it when everything has been released.

Btw, is there a CD in the post or something?
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Gonna keep a finger on the pulse with this one. Not in a place to buy, bit so far the completionist pack is sounding better than anticipated (kinda why i asked for a list of songs when I considered buying it over the album). May well nab it when everything has been released.

Btw, is there a CD in the post or something?



Jonathan Goulding Being manufactured ;-)
Like ? Reply ? 4 ? 12 hrs
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Reevzy:
Is it me or does the Teknostorm rmx sound "noisy"? Doesn't have room to breathe!!



that could be the mastering from the DAT . It seems like alot of tracks where mastered (poorly in a sense) before going on the DAT backups.

Or in Teknostorm's case, a way to hide the fact that it was sourced from a vinyl that wasn't optimal
Triquatra I think Cdjay said the teknostorm remix was off a dat, but a version that was originally mastered for vinyl.

All the tracks will have been mastered all over again for the release though, right? These aren't just straight off the DATs (?)

arpz
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
I think Cdjay said the teknostorm remix was off a dat, but a version that was originally mastered for vinyl.

All the tracks will have been mastered all over again for the release though, right? These aren't just straight off the DATs (?)





I think the point was that in the case of redline mixes destined for vinyl, nothing could be done to bring them back. I don't really know much about these things, though. Better if/when they become available
CDJay We're using the best we have, or can get, if anything better surfaces it will be replaced and people notified. Archival was never good in genre, every second now counts with every catalog.

CDJay
tenfold234 From everything I am hearing the full list of Completionist tracks include:

-Bonkers/Bonkerz/Kaotik - Discography (including unreleased material)
-All Unreleased/Released Sharkey Material featured on Bonkers/Hardcore Heaven Albums
-Hard Life Album tracks and remixes
-Any other misc tracks from other labels: Nu Energy, DATA, Kniteforce, Hecttech etc...
-Any other unreleased material I don't know of (Rockanrolla come to mind)
CDJay Sounds about right.

CDJay
PecheyTheLizard So if (Or when) the Sharkey bundles come out to those who couldn't afford the completionist album:
-How much will each bundle be?
-How many songs would be in each bundle?

I dont want to cause more stress, Jay. I'm Just quite curious as to what your plans are ;)
Captain Triceps That was going to be my question. I had asked abuot putting me a copy aside, which you kindly agreed to, however when I will the money spare and available is anybodies guess, so I think I'm now best looking to the bundles.

To add to those questions above:
Will each bundle just be a certain amount of tracks in no particular order, or even just randomly selected? Or might they be a bundle of the old happy hardcore ones, a bundle of unreleased freeform, a bundle of a certain label, etc?
Samination I would presume the tracks could be label-sorted, and maybe with unreleased tracks that where supposed to be released on said label?
n_n Great stuff. Looking forward to more of the downloads when they are sorted out and put up. =)

But may I ask if the bonkers 3 version of "Sound Assassin (inst mix)" still exists? That one is way better (imo) than what is currently included into the zip file.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h3b005fHYE

Thanks.
Mad Max
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
From everything I am hearing the full list of Completionist tracks include:

-Bonkers/Bonkerz/Kaotik - Discography (including unreleased material)
-All Unreleased/Released Sharkey Material featured on Bonkers/Hardcore Heaven Albums
-Hard Life Album tracks and remixes
-Any other misc tracks from other labels: Nu Energy, DATA, Kniteforce, Hecttech etc...
-Any other unreleased material I don't know of (Rockanrolla come to mind)




Knowing it is this much I could cry and say it might be the best musical purchase of my life so far...

CDjay I thank you.
Craigavon raver
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Yes, if they were signed to one of his labels or are remixes of tracks signed to his labels.

Remember when I said it was more than people had assumed?

Yes that includes ultraworld 5.

*curtseys*

CDJay




Just thought it was gonna be sharkey tracks as well, didn't realise was gonna be tracks that where of his labels that he wasn't involved in, awesome stuff! out of intrest how many tracks is there roughly gonna be? of all sharkeys tracks and of his labels
Craigavon raver And I didn't even get the completionist edition but just think its great that your releasing tracks of his label that he wasn't even involved in!
Craigavon raver And whats the tracklist for the stem mix? doesn't even say on the hu website or anything, dying to know what it is before I get the cd
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
First Completionist batch includes:

Arkitech - Ready To Move (Synthwulf Remix)
Cube Hard - 2D Sci Fi
Darwin, Obie and Mr. E - StereoSonic (A.B Remix)
Ham & Sharkey - Don't Stop
Rikki Arkitech - Shadow Of A Memory (A.B Remix)
Sharkey - Funk'D Hardcore
Sharkey - Lizard Lounge
Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Douglas Remix)
Sharkey - Can You Feel (C.R.A.F.T Mix)
Sharkey - LoTek (Oli G Remix)
Sharkey - Pumpin Religion (Inverse & Orbit1 Remix)
Sharkey - Terrabeat (Darwin Remix)
Sharkey & Arkitech - Where Shall My Wandering Soul Begin (Finnbarr Remix)
Sharkey - The Awakening (Joey Riot Remix)

edit: Who saw that Cube::Hard bit coming, eh? Was signed to Kaotik.... but never released and forgotten. There's a lot of things like that

CDJay



trippnface Wait, so it's every track off every bonkers ; FULL tracks?
tenfold234 Any updates on when the next bundle is gettin dropped?
Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by trippnface:
Wait, so it's every track off every bonkers ; FULL tracks?



I believe they mean Bonkers as in the label Bonkers/z
https://www.discogs.com/label/302722-Bonkers-Records
https://www.discogs.com/label/16067-Bonkerz



trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:
Originally posted by trippnface:
Wait, so it's every track off every bonkers ; FULL tracks?



I believe they mean Bonkers as in the label Bonkers/z
https://www.discogs.com/label/302722-Bonkers-Records
https://www.discogs.com/label/16067-Bonkerz


ahhh ok, i wasnt sure exactly what those were in reference to, before my time.




CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
Any updates on when the next bundle is gettin dropped?



Sharkey works ridiculous hours, even by my metrics, and had a gig this weekend. Thus we haven't prepped one for this weekend.

We'll make up for it by the next one

I know some people expected a massive content dump, myself included. The stem mix took longer, and HH3 stuff was distracting, but the fact remains that we will get everything we can in as good a variant as we can up and out ASAP. Then, should we find or secure something with a superior variant we will supply.

The main issue, as some have correctly noted, is the way the website works and our ability to effectivity communicate updates. So, we're on it.

This is very much like 2013; the way HU operates and what it's trying to do is changing at a pace and new intent which requires a degree of patience on your part and effort on ours. We'll get there.

Expect some sort of statement over the next week or two; there's too much scene drama and malaise going on to let everything slide on our backs needlessly as we have to date.

CDJay
tenfold234 The weekend came and no bundles...any updates?
Samination
quote:
Expect some sort of statement over the next week or two


Still 4 days more before the 2nd week has ended :P
CDJay We've been thoroughly distracted, but am now on with it!

CDJay
tenfold234 So about this weekend or next for the 2 dumps?
DJ Hellfury Is "Sharkey & K Complex - Overdrive (Bonkers Mix)" and "Darren Styles & Mark Breeze Present Futureworld - Chemical Love (Sharkey and Kevin Energy Remix)" also on the completionist bundle?
tenfold234 So with all the drama at HU are we looking at a few more weeks or so before anymore bundles get uploaded?
GrahamC You'd be better PMing CDJay on Facebook than asking here
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
So with all the drama at HU are we looking at a few more weeks or so before anymore bundles get uploaded?



Despite everything, I've got two batches nearly ready to go. Should be up early in the week; did scramble to get ready to put in the newsletter but with manufacturing and scene dramas something had to give.

They're sizable batches....

CDJay
tenfold234 do we have a date when these batches are going to be made available
arpz Just wait and see, surely? It doesn't matter how many times you ask the question, the result will be the same
trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
So with all the drama at HU are we looking at a few more weeks or so before anymore bundles get uploaded?



Ganar being a **** is not really HU's drama. More like drama HU had to deal with.
Brainchild I never knew Sharkey was behind a remix of DJ Kaos' Died in Your Arms. Credted along with Druid as Rhythm Station - https://www.discogs.com/Deejay-Kaos-Feat-Vickie-Dread-In-Your-Arms/release/21958

Is this going to be released as part of the completitionst collection?
Triquatra Probably my favourite version, that one, it's on this CD, unmixed (and uncredited as the remix)

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Fusion-The-Ultimate-Compilation/release/221124
Dookie77 Still no news then? Another target missed.
Thumpa Where's this other batch?
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Dookie77:
Still no news then? Another target missed.



What are you on about? it's right there!

Missingno It this for real?! I cannot see it in my downloads!
DJ Reevzy Pure tease...no bonkers in my account...yet!!
Missingno I should have guessed it. Still, I hope some day I manage to see something similar. I cannot help my hype; too many years behind all these tracks in digital quality, even often thinking that I would never manage to get my hands on them and that all these DATs would be lost in oblivion.
Dookie77
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
Originally posted by Dookie77:
Still no news then? Another target missed.



What are you on about? it's right there!





If that was the case then I expect a proper thumbnail,not a photo of a record sleeve. Nice try though!
tenfold234 The missing of the Stem Mix tracks gives it away
tenfold234 I received a message on Thursday that within a week (*hopefully") both bundles will be uploaded. The extra wait time is remastering the tracks. Also the only thing that will be missing is the stuff from Kevin Energy. Supposedly everything else will be up. Im guessing the stuff from Kev is the stuff from his Hardcore Heaven mixes and any misc Freeformation stuff
Samination aw, no one noticed the text nor the filenname
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
The missing of the Stem Mix tracks gives it away



the stem mix where listed further down. It doesnt seem like there is any specific order to where the downloads are placed
Thumpa I can?t see that in my downloads bit, surely more tracks are coming soon?

CdJay when is the cd album coming?
Samination It is, as Dookie noticed, fake Thumpa. I just made it quickly last night. if I made more effort on the Bonkers image, it might've fooled him a little.

If you're wondering what's giving it away it should be these points:

* No one else can see it on their list
* The Bonkers image is taken from Discogs
* Hardcore Heaven 3 CD1 is missing for some reason
* A faded out text at the bottom stating the obvious
* And if it was on the list, it would highly likely be at the bottom of everyone's lists of downloads.
Captain Triceps Is now really the time for jokes, son?
djDMS Oh no! Did you really do that Jacket?

People should just chill and wait until there's another batch instead of that annoying sense of entitlement that seems to be all the rage today, This is Bonkers!

Suppose it's just a Product of society.

Maybe Today's the day for some news....

Jon, Can can you do it?
Dookie77
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
Oh no! Did you really do that Jacket?

People should just chill and wait until there's another batch instead of that annoying sense of entitlement that seems to be all the rage today, This is Bonkers!

Suppose it's just a Product of society.

Maybe Today's the day for some news....

Jon, Can can you do it?



I'm going to need Therapy after that!
Triquatra Thanks, Jacket.

Craigavon raver
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
I can?t see that in my downloads bit, surely more tracks are coming soon?

CdJay when is the cd album coming?



I seen an email the other week saying the first week of February, but as of yesterday still nothing
djDMS Being sent out right now
Craigavon raver
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
Being sent out right now



Happy days then! can't wait
tenfold234 Still no news about the bundles though. Last I heard was they had the tracks (except the stuff from Kevin Energy) and they were going through and remastering and organizing. That was 2 weeks ago. Anybody know anything else. I asked HU facebook on Monday and no response
djDMS How about you just wait until they're ready?
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
How about you just wait until they're ready?



Agreed, but it's still nice to know st least something.
djDMS Yeah, can't argue with that.

The wait doesn't bother me at all though.













Probably because I didn't buy it.
Triquatra I don't think him asking for a little info is asking much, especially if you've paid 100GBP and 75GBP for blu the roof :P


I think they're all in the USA at the moment(?)




tenfold234
quote:
How about you just wait until they're ready?


The waiting isn't the issue. If it was stated from the beginning that the bundles would not be available till spring then fine at least there is a reasonable timeline. But outside of the core album. There has been no official news about the bundles. No tracklings, no timelines. 100 Pounds is a lot of money to put out for a single purchase that has little to no information to it (thats around $230 where I live). And every few weeks there was promise of a bundle or 2 to be uploaded and then another week will go by and no news about delays or anything. I get it, HU is busy getting other projects out the door. But a little more information about why to buy the completionist would have been nice.
GrahamC I'm with him.

Previously releases were a week or so late with profuse apologies and now it's months with vague updates and promises.

HH3. I bought this as an xmas gift for somebody as it was supposed to be out in plenty of time, even with the standard HU slippage. You can imagine how scaffy I looked giving somebody a couple of CDr disks with no way to skip tracks on xmas morning!

Now HU will say Ganar Ganar Ganar, it's all his fault. Maybe, but given the FB photo the other day, Sharkey, HH3 & Al Storms albums came at the same time. How would HH3 hold those two back from manufacture and shipping?

Delays of over 2 months now have forced me to seriously consider buying anything from them again until I know it physically exists and is ready for sale. The money would be better off in my pocket until such time.

And don't start me on Blu The Roof. If it ever arrives, no amount of HD & surround sound will make up for the fact it is now old music. Starting to think I would have been better drawing ?45 out the bank and shredding it, same result, nothing to show for it.
lurker Maaan, I've been debating whether or not to pick up the full set. I feel like I have to if I want to get all the tracks I grew up on, but reading some of the stuff on here is kinda nerve-wracking.

Still, I can't believe this finally came out. I've been waiting for this thing since USH existed, for crying out loud.
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by lurker:
Maaan, I've been debating whether or not to pick up the full set. I feel like I have to if I want to get all the tracks I grew up on, but reading some of the stuff on here is kinda nerve-wracking.

Still, I can't believe this finally came out. I've been waiting for this thing since USH existed, for crying out loud.



Alex does namedrop Supreme in his quit message
https://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=44391
GrahamC I would have to have my rant the day the bloody CD turns up.
Thumpa I bought the completionist package on 12th Jan, I haven't had a CD or anything apart from the files from the discs, I love Jon but I'm not impressed at all, I'm not up for waiting until April / May / June to own everything.
lurker An e-mail went out today saying that the three latest albums are shipping, barring some of the collectors' editions. Only have a couple days to decide whether to go for it...
Triquatra was there a link in the email to view the online version that someone could post? I've signed up a few times but still don't get any emails through.
Ikstra
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
was there a link in the email to view the online version that someone could post? I've signed up a few times but still don't get any emails through.


https://mailchi.mp/hardcoreunderground.co.uk/hardcore-heaven-3-cds-more-shipping-now
Triquatra Thank you! :)
Audio X There were surveys this weekend for the completionist edition? I didn't receive one :\
Samination I don't remember getting one either.

anyways, I got a package from the UK on friday (presumable from HU since I havent ordered anything else from the UK) but havent had time to get it, so I guess the CD's are out? :P
CDJay It's going out tomorrow, I've been doing post straight since Wednesday and only have Chwhynny here over this weekend to help with international post.

Not going to get stuff signed until Wednesday at the earliest, so fret ye not. Will have four completionist batches up next week too

I am officially beyond burned out.

CDJay
tenfold234 So we are looking at later in the week/weekend for the bundles. Here's to hopin
Temper Has anyone tracklist for Sharkey - Dj Stem Mix (4th CD)?
Thanks
Ikstra
quote:
Originally posted by Temper:
Has anyone tracklist for Sharkey - Dj Stem Mix (4th CD)?
Thanks



Arkitech - Ready To Move (Synthwulf Remix)
Cube Hard - 2D Sci Fi
Darwin, Obie and Mr. E - StereoSonic (A.B Remix)
Ham & Sharkey - Don't Stop
Rikki Arkitech - Shadow Of A Memory (A.B Remix)
Sharkey - Funk'D Hardcore
Sharkey - Lizard Lounge
Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Douglas Remix)
Sharkey - Can You Feel (C.R.A.F.T Mix)
Sharkey - LoTek (Oli G Remix)
Sharkey - Pumpin Religion (Inverse & Orbit1 Remix)
Sharkey - Terrabeat (Darwin Remix)
Sharkey & Arkitech - Where Shall My Wandering Soul Begin (Finnbarr Remix)
Sharkey - The Awakening (Joey Riot Remix)
Dookie77 I got some new speakers,just waiting on tunage now!
Elipton
quote:
Originally posted by Ikstra:
quote:
Originally posted by Temper:
Has anyone tracklist for Sharkey - Dj Stem Mix (4th CD)?
Thanks



Arkitech - Ready To Move (Synthwulf Remix)
Cube Hard - 2D Sci Fi
Darwin, Obie and Mr. E - StereoSonic (A.B Remix)
Ham & Sharkey - Don't Stop
Rikki Arkitech - Shadow Of A Memory (A.B Remix)
Sharkey - Funk'D Hardcore
Sharkey - Lizard Lounge
Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Douglas Remix)
Sharkey - Can You Feel (C.R.A.F.T Mix)
Sharkey - LoTek (Oli G Remix)
Sharkey - Pumpin Religion (Inverse & Orbit1 Remix)
Sharkey - Terrabeat (Darwin Remix)
Sharkey & Arkitech - Where Shall My Wandering Soul Begin (Finnbarr Remix)
Sharkey - The Awakening (Joey Riot Remix)



Not quite in order.
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Dookie77:
I got some new speakers,just waiting on tunage now!



If you play any of these tracks, RIP speakers :P
Brainchild I think I'm coming to the conclusion that I will never buy from Hardcore Underground again. I know from experience that they have delays in getting albums out, but this is like empty promises. Each time we are promised bundles to be available during any given week it doesn't happen. I have so little faith in them right now.
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by Brainchild:
I think I'm coming to the conclusion that I will never buy from Hardcore Underground again. I know from experience that they have delays in getting albums out, but this is like empty promises. Each time we are promised bundles to be available during any given week it doesn't happen. I have so little faith in them right now.



Enjoy not having anything to spend your money on :)
Samination Well, if it wasn't for all the backstabbery Jay seems to endure, I would have been of the same mind. But Im cutting him some slack.









... at least to after he's managed to get Vinylgroover, Raver Baby & Essential Platnum backcat out
tenfold234 Well as much as I am frustrated over the lack of bundles we would not be in the situation if Sharkey had just released his music. An album should not take 16+ years to release. Especially the one we got. I mean Tech Noir is a very good balanced album. But not worth a 16 year wait. Thank god for the completionists bundles or I would have been really disappointed.

And I am going to go with the assumption that there are at least 300+ songs in the bundles (CDJay was quoted "hundreds of tracks" so 300 is a guestimation). That is a lot of tunage to sort and remaster. So I will cut him a little slack as this is a huge undertaking.

Although a disclaimer during the pre-sale regarding timelines would be nice. I would have put bundles will not be ready until March/April at the earliest. Don't ask until around this time. Or even better don't project until summertime and then if they are all ready before that then it makes you look good but coming out with a surprise early release.

Its not the wait that is frustrating. It is the being told something is coming and then not happening and having that repeat over and over again.
djDMS I know constantly complaining makes things happen quicker.... :-/

He said 4 batches this week.

It's Tuesday.
arpz I think if you just approach it with a 'it'll happen eventually' type mindset then it's far easier to deal with. You know that as an individual you're not really going to make things happen any quicker, I doubt anyone really wants it to take longer than it has to and I know it'd suck if it was me on the receiving end...
Vladel I?m not concerned to be honest, they will be here when they are here. No point getting upset about it.
arpz Sssssshhhh now :)


Jonathan Goulding
46 mins ? Leamington Spa ?
Completionist types will be very happy tomorrow night.... ;-)
lainnix You guys weren't kidding about some of the quality/mastering. I just listened to the CD version and... wow. Painful. If I were anything more than a casual Sharkey fan and this is what I got after waiting 16 years, I'd be pretty heartbroken.
Dookie77
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
Originally posted by Dookie77:
I got some new speakers,just waiting on tunage now!



If you play any of these tracks, RIP speakers :P



Chucking them through Sound Forge before i play them!
If I'm not happy with the sound quality then the tune never gets played and more than likely gets deleted.
lone_raver Downloading now. Tracklist looks awesome. Thank you again hardcore underground and of course sharkey!!
arpz TWO Darwin toytown remixes in the new bundle! get on it!
Brainchild Those two Darwin remixes of Toytown is enough for me to make the completitionist worth it! Also really always wanted the Bonkers 17 version of Bonkers Anthem - it's a track that grew on me. Finally have it!
trippnface
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
TWO Darwin toytown remixes in the new bundle! get on it!



:O
Dookie77 hmmm.......batch 3,4 and 5 to go.
oldskool.andy It's nice to have the 1st bundle but the mastering on some tracks is rather questionable to my ears.

One track that sticks out is Bonkers Anthem - it is far too loud and is clipping terribly, thought it was my laptop speakers initialy but running it through my proper soundcard and old Sony MDR-V700's it was even worse.

I'm all for having loud tracks but also think the trend of making them as loud as possible is detrimental to the track.

Just my thoughts and woulden't mind hearing what others think? I know I am old and 3 decades of abuse on my ears may have taken it's toll! ;)

Andy.
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by oldskool.andy:
It's nice to have the 1st bundle but the mastering on some tracks is rather questionable to my ears.

One track that sticks out is Bonkers Anthem - it is far too loud and is clipping terribly, thought it was my laptop speakers initialy but running it through my proper soundcard and old Sony MDR-V700's it was even worse.

I'm all for having loud tracks but also think the trend of making them as loud as possible is detrimental to the track.

Just my thoughts and woulden't mind hearing what others think? I know I am old and 3 decades of abuse on my ears may have taken it's toll! ;)

Andy.



You're not alone with complaints about mastering but we're getting the best that they have, you have to consider that some of these are sourced from DATs mastered for vinyl.
Samination Wait, does that mean DAT's mastered for vinyls actually clip this much? Is it because I dont understand how pressing works, or is that all just a load of bollox to excuse the overmastering?
Captain Triceps
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Wait, does that mean DAT's mastered for vinyls actually clip this much? Is it because I dont understand how pressing works, or is that all just a load of bollox to excuse the overmastering?



Yes.
Dookie77 Does Sharkey use these masters to play out? I understand with dats mastered for vinyl but what about the tunes which were not? Anything from Bonkers 8 onwards he used mainly cd's,when cdj's were starting to emerge. Surely he must still have his cd's? So just ripping them would have had better results wouldn't it?
tenfold234 I don't know about the mastering issues. The tracks are a little on the loud side but I'm not playing out a club/event so the quality of the tracks are ok for me. Although Its All Just Hardcore seems a little low. Not a lot of bass behind the kickdrum. Other than that. This bundle is what I have been wanting since the album was announced.

Between this bundle, the album and the last bundle I have all the unreleased Sharkey tracks I wanted from the album release.

Well except for original of Today's the Day I still want that. So everything else is just icing on the cake now.

I do have a question regarding Gravy Beatz. The versions in the bundle are different the one that Kevin Energy played in Hardcore Heaven 3. Was the one Kev played in HH3 another remix or an early draft and was eventually reworked for the final mixdown, similar to what DJ Kurt did for Ruff Rider Provider.

I thank you CDJay for dropping the bundle I wanted :)
9oh9 "It's all just hardcore" sounds weird because the bass on the left and right audio tracks is in anti-phase; the picture below shows what I mean:



Upper trace is the left channel, lower is the right; you can see they're more or less equal but opposite, meaning they cancel each other out. Might sound OK on headphones, but it sounds really odd on speakers!

(incidentally if you sum the left/right channels to mono you get a mix of the track with no drums or bass, which is... interesting!)

Anyway, I'm really glad we're finally seeing some content! Many thanks CDJay+team for all your efforts
Audio X It's an easy fix. Just invert one of the channels in Audacity or Soundforge or whatever and it clears it right up. I messaged Jon about it a little while ago, he said they're on it.
lone_raver My god we are getting spoiled this weekend!! Downloading batch 3 and hardlife!!
Ikstra Tracklist for the new bundles?
oldskool.andy
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
quote:
Originally posted by oldskool.andy:
It's nice to have the 1st bundle but the mastering on some tracks is rather questionable to my ears.

One track that sticks out is Bonkers Anthem - it is far too loud and is clipping terribly, thought it was my laptop speakers initialy but running it through my proper soundcard and old Sony MDR-V700's it was even worse.

I'm all for having loud tracks but also think the trend of making them as loud as possible is detrimental to the track.

Just my thoughts and woulden't mind hearing what others think? I know I am old and 3 decades of abuse on my ears may have taken it's toll! ;)

Andy.



You're not alone with complaints about mastering but we're getting the best that they have, you have to consider that some of these are sourced from DATs mastered for vinyl.




I have every confidence that any niggles will be addressed as time goes on considering how big the project actually is!
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Ikstra:
Tracklist for the new bundles?



Here's the tracks, excluding the Hard Life ones and with slight renaming

quote:
/Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2/
Druid & Sharkey - Bonkers Anthem (Bonkers 17 mix)
Entity & Darwin ft MC Sharkey - 21 Days (VIP mix)
Hixxy & Sharkey - Toy Town (Darwin remix, Big Kick edit)
Hixxy & Sharkey - Toy Town (Darwin remix, UK Kick edit)
Kaos & Ethos ft MC Sharkey - Get ****ed 2006 (AMS remix)
Kaos & Ethos ft MC Sharkey - Get ****ed 2006 (Gammer remix)
Sharkey - Anything You Want (Gorilla Tactics More Vocal remix)
Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Dan Phillips remix)
Sharkey - Genesis (Doughboy & Ian K remix)
Sharkey - Gravy Beatz (Douglas remix)
Sharkey - Gravy Beatz (Instrumental mix)
Sharkey - Gravy Beatz (Vocal mix)
Sharkey - I-Robot
Sharkey - I-Robot (Greg Peaks remix)
Sharkey - Never Say Die (Kevin Energy remix)
Sharkey - Pumpin Religion
Sharkey - Time After Time
Sharkey - We're In Heaven Now
Sharkey & AMS - Motion Maker
Sharkey & CLSM - Damage
Sharkey & CLSM - Wicked MC (Marc Smith remix)
Sharkey & Darwin - Rockandrolla
Sharkey & Druid - E-nuff (Exclusive mix) (supposted to be on CD2 or CD3 as Track 10)
NUNRG006 b1 Sharkey & Eclipse - Mind Launch
NUNRG006 a1 Sharkey & Eclipse - The Warning
Sharkey & Kevin Energy - Wise Up Get Stupid
Sharkey & Kevin Energy - Wise Up Get Stupid (Outro mix)
Sharkey & Marc Smith - It's All Just Hardcore
Sharkey & Marc Smith - It's All Just Hardcore (audio unflipped)
Sharkey & Marc Smith - Utopia

/Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3/
Darwin & Entity ft MC Sharkey - 21 Days (Hard edit)
Eclipse - Ultraworld 5
Hixxy & Sharkey - Toy Town (United Dance Exclusive mix)
Kaos & Ethos - Get ****ed (Transcend & Cyrax remix)
Sharkey - Anything She Wants
Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Vocal mix)
Sharkey - Bang Like A Mother (Joey Riot remix)
Sharkey - D-Stroy
Sharkey - Like A Maniac
Sharkey - Lo-tek
Sharkey - My Everything
Sharkey - My Everything (Ham remix)
Sharkey - My Everything (Instrumental mix)
Sharkey - Overdrive
Sharkey - Overdrive (K-Komplex remix)
Sharkey - Sound Assassin (Vocal mix)
Sharkey - Today's the Day
Sharkey - Today's the Day (Darwin's New Day mix)
Sharkey & Arkitech - Where Shall My Wandering Soul Begin?
Sharkey & CLSM - Acid Child
Sharkey & CLSM - Damage (remix)
Sharkey & CLSM - Wicked MC (AMS remix)
Sharkey & CLSM - Wicked MC (Exclusive mix)
BONK004 a1 Sharkey & Trixxy - Genesis
BONK004 b1 Sharkey & Trixxy - Therapy



If you ask me, the tracks on Batch 3 definitly sounds less overmastered, which is a good thing. The E-nuff track doesnt seem to be the same as the CD version on Hard Life, nor the Club Kinectic.
Impulse_Response
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Wait, does that mean DAT's mastered for vinyls actually clip this much? Is it because I dont understand how pressing works, or is that all just a load of bollox to excuse the overmastering?



Yes.


Really? I have a hard time believing that. In general recordings shouldn't clip like that at all (unless specifically desired for creative effect) and audio for vinyl is usually mastered quieter, based on the sources I have read. I think it's more likely that they let some idiot master them.
DJ Hellfury What happened to Bundle 1?

Looking forward to all Bundles :)
tenfold234 Bundle 1 was the Stem Tracks i believe
CDJay I am doing everything I can, but as noted this should have happened years ago and we are massively constrained by source quality. I said you'd get what we have, and I will constantly try to source and secure better versions going forward.

If I hadn't done this the way I have I promise it would all have died where it sat. I don't expect sympathy, but understanding would be helpful. Anyone sane would have folded December 2016.

CDJay
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:

If you ask me, the tracks on Batch 3 definitly sounds less overmastered, which is a good thing. The E-nuff track doesnt seem to be the same as the CD version on Hard Life, nor the Club Kinectic.



It's an unreleased mix as featured on the album.

CDJay
CDJay
quote:
Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Wait, does that mean DAT's mastered for vinyls actually clip this much? Is it because I dont understand how pressing works, or is that all just a load of bollox to excuse the overmastering?



Yes.


Really? I have a hard time believing that. In general recordings shouldn't clip like that at all (unless specifically desired for creative effect) and audio for vinyl is usually mastered quieter, based on the sources I have read. I think it's more likely that they let some idiot master them.



Some of what I have is marked RLM which stands for Redline Mastering. I have no idea wtf that was good for in the 90s but hey ho.

I really do think I made it clear I would supply what we have, and crowd source feedback to enable useful focused restoration efforts. It would take me a year to do this "properly" and I can't do that. It's this or nothing. If anyone is unhappy I do understand, and will still offer refunds as we're only halfway.

CDJay


CDJay The most tragic thing about this is I now regret trying, and won't bother again.

CDJay
djDMS Whoever these people are that are doing this should be ashamed.

And if any of you here are, you're wankers.
Impulse_Response
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Wait, does that mean DAT's mastered for vinyls actually clip this much? Is it because I dont understand how pressing works, or is that all just a load of bollox to excuse the overmastering?



Yes.


Really? I have a hard time believing that. In general recordings shouldn't clip like that at all (unless specifically desired for creative effect) and audio for vinyl is usually mastered quieter, based on the sources I have read. I think it's more likely that they let some idiot master them.



Some of what I have is marked RLM which stands for Redline Mastering. I have no idea wtf that was good for in the 90s but hey ho.

I really do think I made it clear I would supply what we have, and crowd source feedback to enable useful focused restoration efforts. It would take me a year to do this "properly" and I can't do that. It's this or nothing. If anyone is unhappy I do understand, and will still offer refunds as we're only halfway.

CDJay






Just to be clear, I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about whoever had them mastered originally and made the DAT. I'm excited to have the completionist edition and I don't plan to ask for a refund.
CDJay It's fine, this was always a difficult climate. I am just stunned I got this across the line, and am still being berated. I am absolutely done with this scene, sadly.

CDJay
Trainwreck Very happy that a lot of this music finally seeing the light of day.

I think there may be an issue\skip on Ultraworld 5 at 1:37. Not sure if this is something inherent within the original DAT master?
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It's fine, this was always a difficult climate. I am just stunned I got this across the line, and am still being berated. I am absolutely done with this scene, sadly.

CDJay



I don?t see the point in some folk being such twats. They don?t realise the ramifications should HU not bother anymore.
CDJay I'd be a lot more tolerable if the scene which remained wasn't so intent on throwing money and stature at the very people who decimated and abandoned it.

Meh, to the power of some exponential factor.

CDJay
Elipton
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
I'd be a lot more tolerable if the scene which remained wasn't so intent on throwing money and stature at the very people who decimated and abandoned it.

Meh, to the power of some exponential factor.

CDJay



That's one way of looking at it. Fairly cynical though.

People will discover Hardcore and influence the growth of the scene by seeing Hardcore names at big events and on big releases.

This isn't a criticism because we need active labels releasing as you are, but HU panders to people already within the scene. There's not a great deal of outreach happening. I find it a little bizarre that you would leave the suggestion that the fault of projects not hitting targets is down to people decimating and abandoning the scene. There are still people here, and still people discovering the scene. You look at producers like Nanobii and Synthion who have huge followings of fans untapped by HU because you persist in pushing a fairly closed off model dependent on people finding you or who already follow you. Talk to someone like Synthion about exclusive content or an album project, and you would probably find oil.
CDJay The project has hit targets, I just find it amazing that someone like Sharkey who supported pretty much everyone has an artist album out and everyone who ever benefitted from Bonkers etc. is ignoring it. I'm all for outreach but when the largest visible players have zero links to the genre they abandoned all they actually do is stop anyone else getting access to a platform.

CDJay
Elipton Well one of the people you probably mean hardly promoted their own album, so it's not really much surprise.

But I do sympathise with that kind of thing. That said, they aren't the only solutions.

Can't you talk to Cotts, Ravine, Jordesuvi and other figures with big followings to get promotion down? Cotts and Ravine have done some great feature mixes in the past for album projects.
9oh9 As much as I dislike social media, it's disappointing that you're not getting support on this. There's such a lack of solidarity in hardcore compared to other genres. Still, getting this released and out into the world is a huge achievement; don't let the bastards grind you down too much
DJ Reevzy Hardcore is clearly a very fragmented genre however i don?t see this as any different to other dance music scenes. I think most new UK Hardcore is utter gash but there are pockets of goodness in the form of eufeion, kniteforce and HU. Guys like billy bunter, slipmatt etc are still supporting and releasing plenty of stuff. Iv seen some negativity towards sharkey for whatever reason but in my mind if certain nobheads dont support the releases then **** em...create the system dont fight it!

Either way iv supported this sharkey project and am grateful to have tracks like genesis in their digital beauty!
Impulse_Response I just cracked bundles 2 and 3 open, and wow there are some good ones on these! The Sharkey & Eclipse tracks, Utopia, Where Shall My Wandering Soul Begin... I've waited a long time for these.
Samination Well, for one thing, I doubt if he released his 2nd album as originally intended, it would've never been this big (in content)
CDJay I'm going to have a holiday soon, and I will be far less menstrual after that. Lol

CDJay
Alexbturbo I assume, at this stage, it's too late to get the completionist edition?

Haven't had the funds available the last couple of months but do now - but I would assume by now the completionist / catalogue edition is sold out?
arpz http://www.hardcoreunderground.co.uk/store/view/sharkey-tech-noir-anthology-completionist-edition

Still available - I don't know for sure but I expect if you want stuff signed you'll need to get it ordered quickly because CDJay was planning on doing that before all the snow in the UK so it must be happening fairly soon
scottyd2k9 It says completionist batch 2 but where is 1 ? Sorry it might just be me being dumb. Is batch 1 the stem mix ?

I have CD1,2,3,4 and the stem mix tracks
scottyd2k9 Ive purchased completionist edition but not received the CD yet. Also will it be signed ?

forgot to add. Thanks CDjay. I really do appreciate the time gone into releasing these.
I couldn't wait for this to be released :D
Ever since I heard sharkey - the awakening
Ikstra
quote:
Originally posted by scottyd2k9:
It says completionist batch 2 but where is 1 ? Sorry it might just be me being dumb. Is batch 1 the stem mix ?

I have CD1,2,3,4 and the stem mix tracks



Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks is listed as TNCOMP1. Almost certainly the first batch.
CDJay Correct on all counts!

115 tracks already available for completionist types, with more to come

CDJay
Missingno I loved the third bundle, thanks to CDJay for the great efforts put in.

Before anything else, and as I did previously, I am extremely grateful for all those who have been involved in this huge project and I appreciate the hard work involving the DAT ripping and restoring. Yes, I have also been involved in restoring projects of old Makina DAT tapes and I know how tough and time consuming it is trying to restore bitwise a partially damaged DAT.

That being said, and insisting again on my gratefulness and admiration for all those involved in the restoration of Sharkey's and "Bonkers" label's discography, allow me to point out a couple of flaws that I have noticed in the last batch.

In first place, and as the user Trainwreck has indicated, there is undoubtely a flaw in Ultraworld 5 at 1:37, where a skip clearly occurs, missing about 10 seconds of the song. Could this be fixed? If it is not possible, I offer myself to restore it using the last track of Sharkey's set in Bonkers 2, where Ultraworld 5 is featured with no appreciable vinyl noise at that passage, and thus this could be properly restored if done carefully. Also, there is something in this track that concerns me. If one listens to the very end, in which the last sound fades out through a reverb effect, it can be appreciated that some artifacts occur. According to my own experience, these kind of artifacts usually happen in DAT tapes with poor condition. This may be somehow related with the aforementioned skip at an earlier stage of the song.

In second place, there is also the case of Sharkey & Trixxy - Genesis. After listening carefully and meticulously to Therapy, I have concluded that this track is legitimally sourced from a digital format, most likely a DAT tape. However, I have found out that in the case of Genesis it is not the case, which is instead sourced most likely from vinyl. There are two ways to find out whether a song is sourced from vinyl or not, and Genesis failed both tests when I analyzed it.

1. The most obvious one, the presence of clicks and vinyl noise. If you put your headphones and turn up the volume to the maximum value just when the song is ending, you will find out that there is clearly vinyl noise that pops up as the last sounds of the song are fading out.

2. A not so obvious one, but very useful to catch cleaned-up vinyl rips. By the nature of the vinyls themselves, the grooves of a vinyl have a smaller radius as the song advances. Since the vinyl is always spinning at the same speed, this means that the sound information is more and more compressed as the needle reaches the grooves from the end, which therefore means that in a vinyl rip the sound quality decreses as the song advances. This quality loss is especially remarkable in terms of a distortion of the low frequencies and loss of high frequences, in which, for instance, the sounds with high frequencies such as hi hats sound much lower at the end passages with respect to the starting ones. Therefore, even if a vinyl rip has been properly cleaned up, there is still this gradual quality loss as the song advances, because in the inner grooves there is the same information to be read in less physical space (circumferences with a smaller radius than the outer ones).

Returning now to the main topic involving Genesis, this song has failed both tests, in the sense that both vinyl clicks can be clearly appreciated at the end of the song and that the hi hats sound much louder in the passages from the beginning of the song than in the ending ones, which clearly confirms it as a vinyl rip.

Taking into account this, my doubt concerns whether for some reason it was used a hypothetical DAT tape containing a vinyl rip (probably due to the destruction/degradation of a hypothetical former DAT tape containing the legit digital master) or if it has been directly ripped from a vinyl to include it in this bundle. Regardless of the case, I would like to know whether Genesis can be obtained from another source (for instance, a different DAT tape, which might exist elsewhere), since maybe the legit digital master could be contained therein.

In any case, many thanks for everything. Despite the aforementioned flaws, I am very happy with this praiseworthy restoration of this huge amount of musical patrimony.
Samination I also noticed that Time after Time has a little skip (or a pause, since it doesnt seem like it actually skips) at ~3:20, with a little something just before
Alexbturbo
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
http://www.hardcoreunderground.co.uk/store/view/sharkey-tech-noir-anthology-completionist-edition

Still available - I don't know for sure but I expect if you want stuff signed you'll need to get it ordered quickly because CDJay was planning on doing that before all the snow in the UK so it must be happening fairly soon



Yeah I noticed that the link was still active on Friday, but didn't want to risk placing an order as I assumed the page was probably still left up in error as i'm sure i'd read (maybe an email?) that it was meant to have been withdrawn from sale sometime around the penultimate week of February.

Turns out that must have been the case as the page is now 404 on the site, so i'll just wang in an order for the regular CD package at some point with the other recent CD's and see that happens with regards to possible / hinted at standalone bundles at some point in the future.

I'll blame my car for needing much needed resto work as to the reason why I couldn't get the completionist bundle lol
Vladel OMG awesome CDJAY I Love you!!!!

All the major ones i wanted right there!!!!!!!

It appears my all time top 20 playlist and mix will need some adjustment.
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by Missingno:
In first place, and as the user Trainwreck has indicated, there is undoubtely a flaw in Ultraworld 5 at 1:37, where a skip clearly occurs, missing about 10 seconds of the song. Could this be fixed? If it is not possible, I offer myself to restore it using the last track of Sharkey's set in Bonkers 2, where Ultraworld 5 is featured with no appreciable vinyl noise at that passage, and thus this could be properly restored if done carefully. Also, there is something in this track that concerns me. If one listens to the very end, in which the last sound fades out through a reverb effect, it can be appreciated that some artifacts occur. According to my own experience, these kind of artifacts usually happen in DAT tapes with poor condition. This may be somehow related with the aforementioned skip at an earlier stage of the song.



As I said, I have finally had available a bit of time to fix the flaws in Ultraworld 5 and fortunately I have been able to restore it. All I had to do is to unpitch the track appearing in Bonkers 2 to obtain the exact same BPMs than the original master, equalize it properly and paste it carefully in the affected zone. The result is very satisfactory and I think that the transitions are unappreciable.

CDJay, if you cannot rip Ultraworld 5 from the DAT without the aforementioned flaw due to a possible bad condition of the DAT tape, I can send you the restored file so that you can include it in the next bundle for everyone else.
Trainwreck
quote:
Originally posted by Missingno:
quote:
Originally posted by Missingno:
In first place, and as the user Trainwreck has indicated, there is undoubtely a flaw in Ultraworld 5 at 1:37, where a skip clearly occurs, missing about 10 seconds of the song. Could this be fixed? If it is not possible, I offer myself to restore it using the last track of Sharkey's set in Bonkers 2, where Ultraworld 5 is featured with no appreciable vinyl noise at that passage, and thus this could be properly restored if done carefully. Also, there is something in this track that concerns me. If one listens to the very end, in which the last sound fades out through a reverb effect, it can be appreciated that some artifacts occur. According to my own experience, these kind of artifacts usually happen in DAT tapes with poor condition. This may be somehow related with the aforementioned skip at an earlier stage of the song.



As I said, I have finally had available a bit of time to fix the flaws in Ultraworld 5 and fortunately I have been able to restore it. All I had to do is to unpitch the track appearing in Bonkers 2 to obtain the exact same BPMs than the original master, equalize it properly and paste it carefully in the affected zone. The result is very satisfactory and I think that the transitions are unappreciable.

CDJay, if you cannot rip Ultraworld 5 from the DAT without the aforementioned flaw due to a possible bad condition of the DAT tape, I can send you the restored file so that you can include it in the next bundle for everyone else.



I would be extremely keen to hear it - thank you for doing it.
Mad Max Has the Hardlife album been remastered?

Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Mad Max:
Has the Hardlife album been remastered?





I haven't downloaded them, but from what I've gathered, they're sourced from the CD
CDJay Sorry, it's been hectic!

Yeah, we're taking note of any issues and attempting to find alternate sources where in any way possible. We should have the Bonkerz stuff shortly, so will see if corrective work is necessary.

We won't be putting the vast majority of stuff up for "general" digital sale until we're fairly convinced we have nearly everything, and to as good a standard as we can get.

Hard Life is the CD masters from the late 90s, which still hold up well IMO. There will be a few tracks we will be getting remastered at Metropolis, but need to be further along. Anyone who bought the completionist release will be constantly updated with improved versions (as part of new batches) until we section things off for general sale.

I haven't been down to Sharkey's for a while, but will be going down next week to get the art prints signed and we'll check over the state of play then.

Appreciate all the feedback, and support, it's a miracle we got this across the finish line and I use the "we" to mean you guys as much as anyone. Madstyle props, y'all.

CDJay
Dookie77 Some **** has already uploaded for file sharing!
CDJay It's inevitable; what matters is enough people supported this project to justify it happening and future projects of its type to be considered. There's barely 150 CDs left, which is a great result!

Heading down, finally, end of this week to get the art prints signed; not that "art print" does these any kind of justice.

CDJay
Samination What's been shared? the album or the completionist editions?

And no, I havent frequented those kind of sites for over 14 years, excluding the might bay of pirates.
tenfold234 Have the completionist editions that did not request any kind signing from Sharkey been shipped yet?
Samination not sure if Jay's still waiting for other things aswell
CDJay No, I shipped out some CDs on their own to UK peeps but it's the art prints (to be signed Friday, atm) which we're waiting on. At the eleventh hour something too good not to do became available, so I did it.

You'll see why soon.

All completionist editions should ship next week! Will also get some more digital content snared when I'm down there, and secure some of the label stuff that's missing (Bonkerz / Kaotik / Nu Energy).

CDJay
Dookie77
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
What's been shared? the album or the completionist editions?

And no, I havent frequented those kind of sites for over 14 years, excluding the might bay of pirates.



Just the album,if it had been the completionist batches I would have been more vocal about it.
Audio X
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
No, I shipped out some CDs on their own to UK peeps but it's the art prints (to be signed Friday, atm) which we're waiting on. At the eleventh hour something too good not to do became available, so I did it.

You'll see why soon.

All completionist editions should ship next week! Will also get some more digital content snared when I'm down there, and secure some of the label stuff that's missing (Bonkerz / Kaotik / Nu Energy).

CDJay



Hot damn, I can't wait!
DJIntensity This sure is gonna be amazing reminds me of Masif Hardcore when it came out 10 years ago.
Samination Any more details on the progreess that you can share to us CDJay?
Dookie77
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Any more details on the progreess that you can share to us CDJay?



I know the signing is out of the way,had an email about it at the weekend.
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Dookie77:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Any more details on the progreess that you can share to us CDJay?



I know the signing is out of the way,had an email about it at the weekend.



yea I saw that, but I expect that to be a different matter from the digital bundles
Triquatra What email??
Samination i dont know about the email, but i noticed the thing about the signings on FB before I made my post
CDJay All uk completionist bundles shipped, internationale tomorrow.

I'm then taking a short holiday, which I said i needed April last year, or I would burn out and die, and will get a large label and corrective bundle ready for mid month. Am also booking Metropolis studios for some high profile remasters end month which completionists will receive once we have them.

I knew this album would be murderous, but getting Ganar and such industry indifference as a reward has actually genuinely broken me. I will *try* to bounce back, but failing that I'll drag them to hell

CDJay
djDMS Part of me wants to see that ;-)
DJIntensity Will this album be on Spotify ?
Dookie77
scottyd2k9 Cdjay
Are there any remixes of the awakening or wicked mc in the completionist edition ?
They are my fav sharkey tracks. Would love to hear other versions.
:)
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by scottyd2k9:
Cdjay
Are there any remixes of the awakening or wicked mc in the completionist edition ?
They are my fav sharkey tracks. Would love to hear other versions.
:)




I dont know which versions you're after but so far we've had these:

Wicked MC
Marc Smith remix
Ams remix
'Exclusive' remix
Original

(The) Awakening
Joey Riot remix
Hard Life album version
scottyd2k9
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
All uk completionist bundles shipped, internationale tomorrow.

I'm then taking a short holiday, which I said i needed April last year, or I would burn out and die, and will get a large label and corrective bundle ready for mid month. Am also booking Metropolis studios for some high profile remasters end month which completionists will receive once we have them.

I knew this album would be murderous, but getting Ganar and such industry indifference as a reward has actually genuinely broken me. I will *try* to bounce back, but failing that I'll drag them to hell

CDJay




Hi, I have received my CD album but it isn't signed. Was I supposed to message if I wanted it signed ?

oldskool.andy
quote:
Originally posted by scottyd2k9:
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
All uk completionist bundles shipped, internationale tomorrow.

I'm then taking a short holiday, which I said i needed April last year, or I would burn out and die, and will get a large label and corrective bundle ready for mid month. Am also booking Metropolis studios for some high profile remasters end month which completionists will receive once we have them.

I knew this album would be murderous, but getting Ganar and such industry indifference as a reward has actually genuinely broken me. I will *try* to bounce back, but failing that I'll drag them to hell

CDJay




Hi, I have received my CD album but it isn't signed. Was I supposed to message if I wanted it signed ?





An email was sent out a while ago asking if you wanted the album and artwork signed and if you wanted a personal message added.
Thumpa When's the Bonkers / Bonkerz stuff being uploaded?
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
When's the Bonkers / Bonkerz stuff being uploaded?



Same question here.

I have also an additional query addressed to CDJay: Did you manage to restore the digital master of G.S.I - Twister? In its record sleeve Sharkey is credited as extra producer.
CDJay I am now on, much threatened, not executed in 7 years, holiday.

Label (Bonkerz, Kaotik) and some fixed assets are next up, and shall be my main priority upon returning.

Still planning on Metropolis mastering day, start of next Month now, and shall update regarding that.

As noted elsewhere, these digital assets *will* eventually end up available for sale outside the completionist bundle but not until it's all sorted and sourced/fixed to the best we can.

CDJay, signing off.
Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
I am now on, much threatened, not executed in 7 years, holiday.

Label (Bonkerz, Kaotik) and some fixed assets are next up, and shall be my main priority upon returning.

Still planning on Metropolis mastering day, start of next Month now, and shall update regarding that.

As noted elsewhere, these digital assets *will* eventually end up available for sale outside the completionist bundle but not until it's all sorted and sourced/fixed to the best we can.

CDJay, signing off.



Have a good holiday, you deserve it.

DJIntensity Can this be bought online ?
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by DJIntensity:
Can this be bought online ?



at some point, if you had read CDJay last comment
DJIntensity
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
Originally posted by DJIntensity:
Can this be bought online ?



at some point, if you had read CDJay last comment



Yes I read it.
tenfold234 Hey CDJay just wondering on the status of the Kaotik/Bonkerz label dumps
CDJay I am back on the game, and sorting this plus Metropolis masters. For me, as much as anyone

CDJay
Triquatra is there aaaaany chance of a pdf version of the booklet write-up that was going to be in the CDs but was moved to the vinyl version for us whiney completionist types?
CDJay Have some mind reader points

Tbh it's for the best, would have been a 24 page booklet in small text h e h

CDJay
Triquatra legend! :D
Captain Triceps Can we have Return to Toytown?
Weakness Hey CDJay, nice work on this. I've been enjoying these batches thoroughly.

I understand you're really busy, but is it possible you could look out for the Bonkers 3 version of Sound Assassin (inst and vocal) and Bonkers 1 version of Toytown? These are, imo, really special versions and I'd really love to see the day they are finally made available for us to enjoy in their entirety.

Thanks again for your efforts with this huge project. Big respect...
tenfold234 Hey CDJay just wondering on any updates regarding the Bonkerz/Kaotik bundles :)
CDJay Oops, I dispensed the information in the wrong thread!

Sharkey is on holiday until mid June, and comes back just before the attended mastering at Metropolis. We'll get another two bundles ready to go up (with some corrected tracks) and the new masters for the third week of June!

CDJay
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by Weakness:
but is it possible you could look out for the Bonkers 3 version of Sound Assassin (inst and vocal)



I strongly support this request too.

The actual instrumental version of "Sound Assassin" (originally appearing in Bonkers 3) should match the following one:



On the other hand, the "official" (mildly-known) vocal version is the one sung by a female vocal rather than a male one, akin to this one:



And, once again, thank you so much, CDJay. I am not intending at all to put pressure on you. Just wanted to point out this request I did some months ago as a reminder. You deserve and must take the necessary time you need to take a rest before performing these tasks.
Samination Obligatory question time!

CDJay, Will you uploading something this week then`?
CDJay We had to move the mastering date, as Sharkey came back from Hospital only to get quarantined for Malaria (!)

He's also moving this Friday; the upshot of that is a few new things were unearthed in the prep for that so expect not just the next batch but some other really cool stuff in the not-too-distant

CDJay
tenfold234 Hey CDJay. On Brisk's latest Sunday show he played a remix of See the Stars by Trixxy. Its a Haze remix, don't think it ever got released. I know that See the Stars was on the original Bonkers label. Is this this remix and the original part of the label batch thats coming up.

Also did you guys ever recover the DAT for Body Groove by Stormtrooper and Social Outcast. It never got a digital release and AMS told me one that they lost the DAT and thats why
tenfold234 Just wondering on updates on the rest of the uploads?
CDJay Health problems, for Sharkey, are holding things up, will have the label stuff, cd singles, and corrected assets up asap!

CDJay

Samination
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
Hey CDJay. On Brisk's latest Sunday show he played a remix of See the Stars by Trixxy. Its a Haze remix, don't think it ever got released. I know that See the Stars was on the original Bonkers label. Is this this remix and the original part of the label batch thats coming up.

Also did you guys ever recover the DAT for Body Groove by Stormtrooper and Social Outcast. It never got a digital release and AMS told me one that they lost the DAT and thats why



Haze just released it, so go check that thread out
fender2k1 any updates?
CDJay Nothing good: after interminable delays it now looks like Sharkey won't talk to me ever again so it's... In flux. At best.

Rest assured I'm less thrilled than you. I'll do what I can.

CDJay
robertybob
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Nothing good: after interminable delays it now looks like Sharkey won't talk to me ever again so it's... In flux. At best.

Rest assured I'm less thrilled than you. I'll do what I can.

CDJay



I'm impressed that you achieved what you did! 5 years ago people wouldn't have believed most of his back catalogue would have been made available again, but you persevered and made a lot of people happy.

Still, there's the TNC stuff to look forward to, that's going to be great!


For your next challange; digitalised Raverbaby back catalogue? If anyone can it's you!!
CDJay Internal debate was that the project was suicide. We did better than expected, or could realistically be demanded.

It's worth understanding it was this or nothing. With this instability I now have to cancel the vinyl, and I will still try to secure what I can. I was in a great mood until this latest incident, and I will never understand why people I help do the right thing inevitably turn on me and leave me carrying the proverbial can. Yet, they do.

CDJay
Not Happy Well that sucks its not really a completionist edition then if most of his tunes arnt going to be released. I am grateful for what was put out and every ones hard work that was put in to this but its waaaay below what i expected for the price, i was hoping (as everyone else) for Bonkers 1 toy town but knew it would be a push but as advertised it did say *every* tune he had a hand in. So is that really it or can we expect these illusive Bonkerz and Kaotic label dumps?
CDJay The label catalogues, and various unheard mixes of Sound Assassin, were whst I was supposed to be getting when I went down. The toy town variants are Hixxy related so there is still hope for them.

I'm not saying "this is it", but in terms of providing information I've been trying to get things moving since April and if now asked for an update it would be disingenuous of me to feign optimism when the other party flat out said not to contact him ever again on Monday.

He may well change his mind or mood, but given my total lack of understanding *why* it's happened I can't really extrapolate odds or timeliness.

CDJay
Vladel So sharkey once again lives up to his reputation of being a complete c***
Samination excluding what happened to the Hardcore Energy 2, is that a recurring theme when it comes to Sharkey?
Craig Cairney I have lost so much respect for Sharkey over the last few years. Not that he will care, but he has acted like a massive twat on too many occasions.
Mansy CDJay how have you not had a massive breakdown and/or completly ****ed this industry off?! I dont no how someone can come up against so many obstacles and keep moving forward without sticking that middle finger up and saying "**** this" because alot of people would have done by now and for a lot less. You deserv a knighthood sir CDJay! 🤣
djDMS And there will still be morons complaining that they didn't get every last tune they were expecting.

CDJay Honestly, Sharkey has had various health issues this year and, frankly, I haven't had the best year ever.

It may all end up being fine, and I'm still entirely committed to getting everything that is possible.

I can't, however, keep giving updates that end up being wildly inaccurate.


As soon as I know more, I will let everyone know!

CDJay


Dookie77 Wow ,what a dick move! Surely there are contract obligations he has to honour? Its not as though the completionist bundles have been file shared(as far as I know) so that cant be an excuse. Oh well,I suppose he got his dollars worth out of it. I wonder what the USHers would think of it?
arpz How does that bode for his supposed appearance at HU/HAS? A DJ set and an MC set... ?

urrgh.
djDMS
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
How does that bode for his supposed appearance at HU/HAS? A DJ set and an MC set... ?

urrgh.



Is that the 'mystery' Halloween event?

*Edit* Just seen it.

Be interesting to see what happens there.
Not Happy
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
The label catalogues, and various unheard mixes of Sound Assassin, were whst I was supposed to be getting when I went down. The toy town variants are Hixxy related so there is still hope for them.

I'm not saying "this is it", but in terms of providing information I've been trying to get things moving since April and if now asked for an update it would be disingenuous of me to feign optimism when the other party flat out said not to contact him ever again on Monday.

He may well change his mind or mood, but given my total lack of understanding *why* it's happened I can't really extrapolate odds or timeliness.

CDJay


Ok, sorry i hope i didn't sound ungrateful as i said i am grateful of all the hard work you and others have put into this and what we have so far really doesn't disappoint, but what does disappoint is that one of my favourite Djs/producers of the last 20+ years is fobbing of the fans of his work. Nvm and again thx!.
Dookie77 Ganarkey just looks like a complete prick now,especially after he said a while back about how he would be helping and supporting HU with the business model like his now not so "completionist edition". Looks like this will be another chapter to add to the HU book(which I think should be in the style and format of the Mr Men books).

And as for HAS v HU I expect he will cancel last minute.
Impulse_Response
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
And there will still be morons complaining that they didn't get every last tune they were expecting.





Nothing against HU or CDJay, but that is the product we were promised and paid a decent amount for. I don't see how that would make people morons. I hope it all works out, both for CDJay's sanity and for my personal collection.
djDMS
quote:
Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
And there will still be morons complaining that they didn't get every last tune they were expecting.





Nothing against HU or CDJay, but that is the product we were promised and paid a decent amount for. I don't see how that would make people morons. I hope it all works out, both for CDJay's sanity and for my personal collection.



Ok. Morons blaming HU.

I have no issue with people being unhappy at not getting what they were expecting
Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
And there will still be morons complaining that they didn't get every last tune they were expecting.





Nothing against HU or CDJay, but that is the product we were promised and paid a decent amount for. I don't see how that would make people morons. I hope it all works out, both for CDJay's sanity and for my personal collection.



Aye, this.

I hope that Sharkey feels better soon, and that things can be sorted out. There are a lot of us loyal fans of his music out here who just want to carry on enjoying his music, but digitally!! So, fingers crossed.

Will come and give CDJay and sharkey back rubs if it will help!
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
There are a lot of us loyal fans of his music out here who just want to carry on enjoying his music, but digitally!! So, fingers crossed.



and legally for that matter :P
GrahamC Its simple really although it wouldn't be pretty

a few people that bought the complete bundle take Jonathan Kneath to small claims court, force him to pony up the music or HE refunds people the money since he is now a lying rip-off cu nt.

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EDIT: Take him to Judge Rinder - it would be awesome to see a drugged up loser being ripped apart on the telly
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Because if I had paid out for something at that value and he was the block, that would be exactly what I would be doing right about now, I would drag him backwards through the thorniest bush I could find to get what he owed me.

CDJay, I hope going forward you nail people down to legally binding contracts that have ramifications. Sharkey had let you down once already (USB Remix thingy), you already knew he was unreliable so I would really like to think that you had something in place on this one or you might have left yourself exposed... 100x 100 quid refunds won't help you much
djDMS Just out of interest, how much has everybody had so far?

I bought the CD (to support HU, not Sharkey) because I was less than a big fan (personally more than musically) and knew what I was getting.

I have so much respect for the HU crew and what they're attempting to achieve, so much in fact, that I don't even care if Blu the roof never happens!

Saying that, it won't stop me taking the absolute piss out of them when they team up with Stomp! In Leeds next month
arpz
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
Just out of interest, how much has everybody had so far?



edit: to avoid confusion, the stem mix tracks are considered as batch 1

D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\shark
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Sharkey DJ Mix Disc 4.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\01 - Sharkey - Product Of Society (Fracus & Darwin Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\02 - Sharkey - Distant Dreams (Jakka-B Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\03 - Sharkey - Anything She Wants (Gorilla Tactics Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\04 - Sharkey - Lazerbeam Addict (A.B Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\05 - Sharkey & Trixxy - Genesis (M-Project Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\06 - Sharkey feat. Lisa Abbott - Bonkers Anthem (Al Storm Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\07 - Sharkey - Therapy (A.B & Cyrax Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\08 - Sharkey & Arkitech - Dual Illumination (Arkitech's HHC Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\09 - Sharkey, Odyssey & Arkitech - Black Rain(Chris Ross & Darwin Remx).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\10 - Sharkey - Sound Assassin (Cube Hard Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\11 - Sharkey - Todays The Day (Fracus & Darwin Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD1\12 - Sharkey - Sci Fi (SynthWulf Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\01 - Sharkey, Arkitech & Odyssey - Black Rain.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\02 - Sharkey & Arkitech - Quadraphonix (2015 Stem Update).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\03 - Sharkey & Arkitech - Dual Illumination.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\04 - Sharkey, Kevin Energy & K-Komplex - Anna (Cube Hard Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\05 - Sharkey & K-Komplex - Overdrive (Ephexis Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\06 - Sharkey - OCD.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\07 - Sharkey - Pumpin' Religion (Inverse & Orbit1 Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\08 - Sharkey - Bang Like A Mother.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\09 - Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Vocal Mix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\10 - Sharkey & Stormtrooper - Lazerbeat Addict.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\11 - Sharkey & Arkitech - Never Say Die.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD2\12 - Sharkey & Oli G - Sci Fi.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD3\01- Marc Smith Vs Safe & Sound - Identify the Beat.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD3\02 - Ham & Sharkey - Don't Stop.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD3\03 - Devestate & Sharkey - Terrabeat.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD3\04 - CLSM Vs Sharkey - Wicked MC.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD3\05 - Sharkey - Sound Assassin (Instrumental Mix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD3\06 - Sharkey & UFO - Terra Nova.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD3\07 - Sharkey & Eclipse - Mind Launch.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD3\08 - Sharkey & Druid - Bonkers Anthem.wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD3\09 - Seb - Rainbow Islands (Sharkey Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\CD3\11 - The Vampire - Teknostorm (Sharkey Remix).wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\10 - Sharkey - E-Nuff (Exclusive Mix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Druid & Sharkey - Bonkers Anthem 00s.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Entity & Darwin Feat MC Sharkey - 21 Days(VIP Mix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Hixxy & Sharkey - Toy Town(Darwin Remix Big Kick).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Hixxy & Sharkey - Toy Town(Darwin Remix UK Kick).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Kaos & Ethos feat. MC Sharkey - Get Rockin 2006 (AMS Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Kaos & Ethos feat. MC Sharkey - Get Rockin 2006 (Gammer Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey & AMS - Motion Maker.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey & CLSM - Wicked MC (Marc Smith Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey & CLSM - Damage.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey & Darwin - Rockandrolla.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey & Eclipse - Mind Launch.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey & Eclipse - The Warning.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey & Kevin Energy - Wise Up Get Stupid Outro.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey & Kevin Energy - Wise Up Get Stupid.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey & Marc Smith - It's All Just Hardcore.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey & Marc Smith - Utopia.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - Anything You Want (Gorilla Tactics More Vocal Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Dan Phillips).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - Genesis (Doughboy and Ian K Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - Gravy Beatz (Douglas Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - Gravy Beatz (Instrumental).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - Gravy Beatz (Vocal).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - I Robot (Greg Peaks Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - I-Robot.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - Never Say Die (Kevin Energy Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - Pumpin Religion.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - Time After Time.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2\Sharkey - We're In Heaven Now.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Darwin & Entity feat MC Sharkey - 21Days(Hard Edit).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Eclipse - Ultraworld 5.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Hixxy & Sharkey - Toy Town (United Dance Exclusive Mix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Kaos & Ethos - Get ****ed (Transcend & Cyrax remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Anything She Wants.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Bang Like A Mother (Joey Riot Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Damage (Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Like A Maniac.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - My Everything (Instrumental).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - My Everything.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Today's The Day.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Where Shall My Wondering Soul Begin.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey & CLSM - Acid Child.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey & CLSM - Wicked MC (AMS Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey & CLSM - Wicked MC (Exclusive mix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey & Trixxy - Genesis.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Ascending Angels.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - D-Stroy.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Lo-Tek.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - My Everything (Ham Rmx).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Overdrive (K-Komplex Remix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Overdrive.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Sound Assassin (Vocal Mix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Therapy.Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3\Sharkey - Todays the day (Darwin's new day mix).Wav
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Arkitech - Ready To Move (Synthwulf Remix).Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Cube Hard - 2D Sci Fi.Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Darwin, Obie and Mr. E - StereoSonic (A.B Remix).Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Ham & Sharkey - Don't Stop.Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Rikki Arkitech ? Shadow Of A Memory (A.B Remix).Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Sharkey & Arkitech - Where Shall My Wandering Soul Begin (Finnbarr Remix).Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Douglas Remix).Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Sharkey - Can You Feel (C.R.A.F.T Mix).Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Sharkey - Funk Da Hardcore.Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Sharkey - Lizard Lounge.Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Sharkey - LoTek (Oli G Remix).Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Sharkey - Pumpin Religion (Inverse & Orbit1 Remix).Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Sharkey - Terrabeat (Darwin Remix).Mp3
D:\UKH\Sharkey - Tech NoIR\Tech Noir Stem Mix Tracks\Sharkey - The Awakening (Joey Riot Remix).Mp3

CDJay I'll be putting up the Revolutions + Product Of Society CD singles (mixes) end week, as well as corrected Ultraworld 5 and Kevin Energy remix of Never Say Die.

Will see what else I can rustle up!

CDJay
tenfold234 What exactly is his problem with HU. Was there something about the album that he did not like. Was he not getting paid enough. I know piracy wasn't an issue as the completionist hasn't been leaked. Or was it becoming a problem that people were demanding that he cooperate with giving music in regular time as supposed to Sharkey Time which is every decade or so he will decide to release a tune or 2.

Well at least I got the unreleased stuff that I wanted so there is that.

Is there anyway that HU can deal with Kevin Energy instead of Sharkey for the Bonkerz/Kaotik back catalog as he had them up on his Nu Energy store. I know its not DATs so they can be properly remastered but it would be something until Jon pulled his head out of his ass.
CDJay The plan actually is for Fracus to go to Kev to get the label stuff, so well judged.

Not sure what the "problem" is; not sure it's HU, per se.


I'm not being oblique or evasive; I genuinely have no idea what the problem is, what I've done that caused it, or what I'm now supposed to do about it. Meh!


CDJay
Samination yea... if it's a AHDH fit, anyone or anything is in the crosshair.

And I'm not saying it because it's a common thing among AHDH/ADD, because my brother has it... and slight paranoia (Illuminate exist and they killed Tupac) and superiority complex...
CDJay It's all seemingly sorted, I will have the outstanding label stuff soon.

CDJay
Triquatra So that's a no to the backrubs then? :P
CDJay If anyone needs one, it's Gaz

CDJay
Captain Triceps Come on, there must be at least a semi-interesting story here!
djDMS Well, I have a semi just thinking about Rowan rubbing men from behind...
Samination Did he give sharkey one then?
Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
semi



hehe
arpz Hurrah!
Elipton
quote:
[b]Originally posted by CDJay]

I will never understand why people I help do the right thing inevitably turn on me and leave me carrying the proverbial can. Yet, they do.

CDJay




To put it bluntly, it's because getting people to sign on a dotted line is your Achilles heel.

Edit: Glad there's a happy ending in sight.
trippnface dis funny people see new pages of discussion and think it juicy music info... but just 2 pages talking about back rubs LOL
robertybob I'm still waiting for the full version of Scooter - Jumping All Over The World (Sharkey & K-Complex Remix) to be released
AllisonM has there been any update on the vinyl for this and the al storm one that i have missed ? not seen anything mentioned since i pre ordered in june, thanks xx
Samination The Sharkey vinyls might still be in limbo because of the falling it, but since jay seems to have patched things up, I dont know. I'm still waiting for the next digital batch
CDJay I've had to cancel attended mastering sessions, twice, so I think it'll have to be pulled at this point . I'm gutted as the resultant digital masters I wanted and would gave thrilled Completionist types.

Will keep the Al Storm one slice and do SoL with F&D instead.

Meh.

CDJay
Triquatra So other than the vinyl, is the completionist still rolling forward as before, I'm confused!
CDJay Yes, the label tracks are still inbound

CDJay
CDJay More is imminent; Sharkey has finished moving and doesn't have the internet yet at his new place which is holding up reliable upload.

Still, thought y'all would like an update

I've also added the Revolutions EP and Product of Society CD single tracks, already.

CDJay
CDJay Some of the remixes from the PoS CD single didn't batch process correctly so I didn't tag them in the archive.

It's now updated, so you will need to redownload in order to get 'em!

CDJay
JollyBoyJohn Is the HU website down, its saying it doesn't exist?
Samination server's probably down
CDJay Back up now. Just landed, back in the UK, so will be playing catch up for a bit!
Dookie77 So as I predicted, Sharkey was a no show at HAS v HU. Any news on the rest on the tunes that are supposed to be ready? Or shall I just accept that they might never be coming?
CDJay Yeah, the last contact I had was over 2 weeks ago

*HOWEVER* I am doing accounting up through end July, to issue before end October, so presumably he'll have to get in touch regarding that.

I shall attempt to ransom the last batch, and plates, then chase Hixxy for Toytown Mix(es).

Not sure if people noticed, but the CD singles for Product Of Society and Revolutions EP were uploaded a while ago too

CDJay
crossfire Was a really good night on Friday, as posted above I never expected him to turn up.
Starting to feel like this project isn't a priority any more, which is a shame, maybe there's stuff I don't know about and I'm being harsh personal reason etc.
Do you have more tracks at this moment and waiting on others to complete bundles etc, like the bonkerz and kaotik stuff?

That comment wasn't aimed at HU
CDJay It's so close to done; all I really need is the stuff I expected in April (some Kaotik / Nu Energy stuff, some Bonkerz stuff, some other versions of Sound Assassin he dug up more recently) and a few of the Completionist plates.

I have *no* idea what has gone wrong recently; last contact I had was being told that the internet was being installed at his new location and Parcelforce were picking up the plates. This was Thursday the 20th, I believe.

We literally can't do more than we have; I've had to cancel Metropolis twice (first time was when he was Quarantined, start May, the second when he said he didn't want contact anymore, end August). I've offered to drive down umpteen times, and I still, to date, have no idea what the problem is and have no reciprocal contact with myself/Fracus/HAS/anyone AFAIK. It's so utterly stupid, as it's *so* close to done. It's just put a sad tint on an album I was so happy with, and proud of.

Meh.

CDJay
Mad Max
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
It's so close to done; all I really need is the stuff I expected in April (some Kaotik / Nu Energy stuff, some Bonkerz stuff, some other versions of Sound Assassin he dug up more recently) and a few of the Completionist plates.

I have *no* idea what has gone wrong recently; last contact I had was being told that the internet was being installed at his new location and Parcelforce were picking up the plates. This was Thursday the 20th, I believe.

We literally can't do more than we have; I've had to cancel Metropolis twice (first time was when he was Quarantined, start May, the second when he said he didn't want contact anymore, end August). I've offered to drive down umpteen times, and I still, to date, have no idea what the problem is and have no reciprocal contact with myself/Fracus/HAS/anyone AFAIK. It's so utterly stupid, as it's *so* close to done. It's just put a sad tint on an album I was so happy with, and proud of.

Meh.

CDJay



Never fear I think all completist edition buyers know where the issue is.

It is sad it has been a ball ache. The day it was announced was one of my happiest musical days ever. But since then it has been a let down. Surely Sharkey has some empathy for all of us that invested in him. I am guessing he has made some money out of it...


Shame how someone can get you into a sound, you spend years thinking they are a musical hero then.......

Dookie77 Just dont pay him any money he is owed until the "project" is completed and we have all the tracks as promised.
JollyBoyJohn Any updates on the latest batch or toy town mixes?.
Samination I dont know if Sharkey's back in or not. But then, someone else might've have the Toytown dats anyways
Triquatra I'm dieing for the 90 and very early 2000s stuff...the bits of 90s stuff (bar sound assassin and terra nova) that are up for download I already own on various cds/cd singles unmixed from the 90s.

Stuff like Sharkey and Dee - Dreamin' / Sharkey - Truth/Oh No... the bonkers/bonkerz back cats, and unmentionable...the other ultra-rare thinger from sharkeys 90s Bonkers label which I know sharkey has on DAT after talking to him a few years back...that would be stupidly epic and worth the pricetag on its own, lol.

There has been a lot of Mp3s, it's just that I've either owned the few bits of old stuff already, or it's been very new which (no offense to the remix artists at all) I'm just not interested in, and don't listen to; just not my style/not why I bought the bundle).

I'm still paying the credit card off for getting it in the first place haha.
I have my fingers crossed.
Samination Truth/Oh No are on 2 different kind of Albums actually.

Oh No! is on Marc Smith's Past Present & Future [Part One?] and Truth is on Trance Core Chapter 1. Unmixed.

https://www.discogs.com/DJ-Marc-Smith-Past-Present-Future-Part-One/release/187153
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Trance-Core-Chapter-One/master/111698
Triquatra Was released as a CD single, too
Samination you mean i bought these 2 albums for naught? :(
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
you mean i bought these 2 albums for naught? :(



Yes and no.

You did well purchasing Trance Core - Chapter One. The version of "Truth" appearing therein sounds much better than the version appearing on the CD single, which is clearly more saturated to the point of distorting at some passages.

However, the version of "Oh No!" appearing on Past Present & Future (Part One) is slightly shorter (album version) than the one appearing on the CD single (maxi version). However, the latter one also becomes with the same problem as the aforementioned track, involving sound saturation due to a bad mastering, resulting in distortion at some loud passages.
tenfold234 Oh No! is also on Marc Smith's Notorious by Nature album as well
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
Oh No! is also on Marc Smith's Notorious by Nature album as well



That one isn't either the full-length version.
Weakness All I want for Christmas is Sharkey delivering the final batch of tracks, including old vocal and inst mix of Sound Assassin. ;_;
Triquatra Final batch? it'd have to be a huge batch if it's final! :P
GrahamC
quote:
Originally posted by Weakness:
All I want for Christmas is Sharkey delivering the final batch of tracks, including old vocal and inst mix of Sound Assassin. ;_;



That'd be nice! Unfortunately I think Sharkey took all of your ?100 payments and used them to get 'off his pickle' and has zero intention of delivering the rest of the musical compositions.

Feel bad for HU and everybody that splashed out on what turned out to be a massive con-job by the artist.
CDJay Yeah, I'm going to have to jump on this.

Compared to what we said we've *massively* overdelivered. The only mistake I've made is that Sharkey promised me some corrections and peripheral label stuff back in April I committed to. What has been released is an actual *TREASURE TROVE* far beyond reason. We, as a label, said we would feed stuff indefinitely (anyone see the DATS Gaz shotted on FB?)

No one is more annoyed I didn't get what I was promised back in April, but FFS it's 0.05% of what would otherwise be lost forever. Sound Assassin. Black Rain. Jesus tap dancing Christ, people.

I have more things, I will get more things. Must every miracle bread have icing. People who got screwed by the plates, I am very sorry about and have refunded. The Two people (one who ran a label in UK Hardcore and should know better) said the vocal remix of Toytown was the only reason they bought it... refunded. I'm about to get that, along with the actual vocal, and VG remix, so more fool them, but still.

At this point, we've overdelivered by any reasonable metric and the bitching makes me want to not do a Vinylgroover variant. Is that a good thing?

edit: before he went AWOL, Sharkey said he found a DAT with 5 more variants of Sound Assassin. I can't claim he'll ever resurface or deliver, but surely we're the only chance of that?

edit 2: I murdered myself doing this album, and got the mix on Dec 22nd. Ganar kicked off the same evening. Try, as a decent human being, with a faint grasp of what this took, to understand how it feels to have a genuine triumph end this way. What *WAS* the alternative?

CDJay
Samination I hope that when you say bitching, that it's more on Sharkey's part and not ours, the listerners?

Although it's saddening with what's happening with Sharkey, but I do hope you see why some people would want a refund. Considering Vinylgroover is still in the music business, I doubt that he'll pull a sharkey. F&S though... I don't know. For your own sake, go with the one that seems more likely to actually happen (VG)
GrahamC CDJay - I'm not criticising HU for what people got (or not) - blame is pointed squarely at Sharkey

Everytime this topic climbs back up to the top of the list I feel genuine angst because it's people asking when they are going to get the rest of what they have paid for. By your own admission Sharkey has not delivered everything and everything is what people thought they were paying for. It doesn't sound like the odd track here and there, sounds like whole label back-cats worth of stuff!

It was posted on here by you that Sharkey vanishes for long periods of time, told you to never to contact him again etc. which is hardly the act of a committed or professional person. If I had lashed out a hundred quid and then saw that posted online I would be angry at him and justifiably so. Thats a lot of money to some people and to say you have over-delivered when it has come up short is disingenious.

It is completely your perogative as to whether you do Vinylgroover & F&S. You know them, I don't. You know if they the sort of people who will commit to delivering or not. Would they be happy to back up that committment and sign a contract that protects all parties involved?

I'd like to see those albums, I would part with my pennies for them but after the unfortunate and public debacle with this Sharkey complete collection I would be wary about proceeding with the purchase unless you had all the material up-front like you did with the TnC stuff. The TnC release was what Sharkey's should have been from the get-go.
CDJay This album has literally made me ill. Ive been lying in bed alk night all night vibrating internally with misplaced fury.

I just don't understand at what point I promised time travel derived results.

Ive asked Chwhynny to take over, here, for the same reasons I fled FB.

CDJay
CDJay Gah, you caught me 😂

There was a lot of internal debate about this. I was the one who insisted. Hence my misplaced fury.

It really was how this was done or it all was lost forever. I clearly quantified it was a long term thing, having already had it fall apart back in 2014. I beg anyone to go look at their Completionist folder and calculate the percent of tracks previously unreleased versus having not pressed ahead.

CDJay

CDJay One last one.

So, the difference between the TNC album and something like this is marked. Anything involving a 90s related catalogue is going to be incomplete before it is viable. There is no way of guaranteeing a complete product *ever* never mind in a sane timeframe to warrant the effort to pull something together initially.

The irony is that the more projects like this are undertaken, the more scarce, or presumed lost, tracks emerge. The VG remix of Toytown being a good example. That appeared this weekend. Which is *precisely* why I made the long term commitment.

We are talking about tracks 20+ years old, most of which now exist (if at all) on a DAT lost in lock ups, lofts or worse. Every passing day makes it less likely that the entire era of the genre is going to endure in any meaningful way.

Sharkey 100% has dropped the ball, certainly in terms of what I publicly committed to back in April, and left us in a position far short of what I'd like. Yet, as I said, it was a long term commitment and we've released stuff that buyers *didn't even know existed*.

I'm now sitting on a completely unheard Vinylgroover and Slipmatt track. A version of Paradise and Dreams with a female vocal pre-dating the original Junior one.

As I said, over to my long suffering Wife

edit: The label back cat stuff is really just Bonkerz, some of which is already included (and the one people really wanted I have a fixed version of). Percentage wise it really is miniscule. We're also still chasing other sources to get the material and, again, I did say this would take time.

edit 2: I was VERY clear from the outset that certain tracks may well no longer exist, and I would get, and continue to get, anything and everything I could and release what I can. Which we have, and will keep doing.

CDJay
Triquatra I probably wouldn't have said anything, but this triggered me slightly (lol)

quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Try, as a decent human being, with a faint grasp of what this took, to understand how it feels to have a genuine triumph end this way. What *WAS* the alternative?
CDJay



I know that this has been a monumental headache for you and HU, and I expect I have about less than 10% of a grasp of just how much stress than it's put any of you under.

But if I could just reverse what you just said for a second. I've a wife whose health year on year has degraded to the point where I can no longer work and have to stay home and care for her + the two kids and live on the pittance that is ?60 a week carers allowance; ?100 on Sharkey, and ?75 on BTR is not easy money, pocket money or throwaway cash, we don't go jet setting around the world on holidays, let alone the UK; we're lucky if we get out of the house; there's no break or escape. I could explain what ?175 means to this family, but I won't, just as I wouldn't expect you to go into all the details on your end of things either.

==

I have looked in the folder, and you're entirely right that the sheer amount in there is totally worth the money
but only if what you were after is the modern stuff and modern remixes of Sharkey tracks. Yes there are a few bits of 90s and very early 2000s stuff, but that's even less if discount the stuff that was already available on CDs and Digitally anyway - which most of us (I assume) had.

So yes of course the percentile of older stuff left is very small, I agree, especially in relation to the rest of the modern stuff and the stuff that's already been given - but the Bonkers/z catalogues (and of course those bonus already included unreleased bits) are 100% worth the money to me, even with missing tracks which undoubtedly there will be.

I don't want a refund, I live in hope that the small percentile stuff will eventually surface; I have absolutely *no* problem waiting either, but the reason people have been getting annoyed is that the last we had heard is that he's gone, and that's it.
Nothing in the HU letters, and nothing on here (until now). Just new projects from HU popping up. A simple 'we haven't forgotten, we're still on it, stfu" once and a while would literally be 100% enough!
CDJay I really can't stop myself (and you deserve a reply, hero guy )

The only reason I stopped giving project updates is because Sharkey started being unreliable. I publicly commmited to the April stuff, he jetted off to Toronto (which I didn't get to go to, as we paid for his b/f's flight instead) and then went on holiday. Came back from that holiday with Malaria, so we had to cancel the vinyl mastering at Metropolis. He also had some additional plates for signing (there are *STILL* Three outstanding, luckily to people who are infinitely patient).

The Bonkerz stuff I should actually have this month, and the fixed tracks will go up with them.

If there's any specific 90s stuff outstanding, DM me and I'll see what I can do. He really wasn't that prolific in the 90s, and some stuff is mis credited (Wanting To Get High, for example, is just Hixxy). The headline one is Toytown VG remix, which, as I noted, we just scored. I'll clear it again with Hixxy, just to ensure everyone remains amiable, and get it up in the same batch.

The reason we have to put up new projects is simply so we don't fold. We can't deliver if we fold.

We truly appreciate the support, and this has been a genuinely catastrophic year for us. Ignore our own internal issues, look at the industry around us. Much like 2013 we've been working to a longer term plan, because someone has to. There will be more news by year end that I hope gives people some hope for the genre through 2019 and beyond.

CDJay
Samination you forgot to sign off with

'we haven't forgotten, we're still on it, stfu"

;)
CDJay I wake up screaming, engulfed by penitent guilt. We're still on it.

CDJay
Triquatra
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
The only reason I stopped giving project updates is because Sharkey started being unreliable
CDJay



This, is exactly what I had assumed, it has put you in a horrible position of having to cover for someone else and be both the barer of bad news, whilst simultainious having to say its not bad, and then having to say it's bad again ad infinitum.

the only other that isn't on Bonkers Records/Bonkerz was Sharkey and Dee - Dreamin' which was the flip to Can Can Do It....

for some bizzare reason it was only Can Can Do It that made it onto DJ Friendly CD compilations...can't think why!


Just frustrated at the situation. It shouldn't be you who feels guilty though, Cdjay.
CDJay Weirdly i swear i saw that on one of the first DATS. I hope it wasn't one that got chewed up!

CDJay
GrahamC
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
It shouldn't be you who feels guilty though, Cdjay.



Sorry, I only just caught up with the morning's posts

Firstly, if I had even the faintest idea you wouldn't sleep over this I would have kept it zipped, especially as I am watching this album from the side-lines (never a Sharkey fan)

I just feel a bit for those who splashed out although it's sounds as though it's not as bad as I thought.

Like I said this morning, my finger points squarely at Sharkey.

Also, somebody mentioned updates - I was moaning about the Euphony CDs the last couple of weeks, I saw a HU post on FB that there had been an issue with one of the discs but it had been corrected, you now physically had them. You knew who has bought those CDs, it can't be that hard to fire off an email to those customers and say there is an issue and it's coming a bit later than planned. I wouldn't have been even remotely grumpy if I had been kept in the loop, especially given the past level of HQ service, reliability from HU not to mention free goodies
CDJay Entirety agreed. To 2019

CDJay
Sulphurik Any possibility of getting some song clips from some of the albums on hardcore underground store?
CDJay Could do for the cd stuff, but until it's nearer where we want it I'm unsure I want to entice anyone into the flammable tent.

It's a great album, I just wish I had pride in the thing.

CDJay
Vladel Beyond pissed off that there are still only four previews for the new fracus and darwin album and virtually none for dark shadows 5
CDJay Did you check the most recent podcast? It featured a *lot* from the GFTE.

I'll get someone to do GFTE over the weekend, and ask Al Storm for DS5 ones

CDJay
djDMS I'm beyond happy that I bought the album before I'd heard most of it.
CDJay That was the idea [😉]

CDJay
djDMS I'm from a time when albums were mostly unheard before release.

Still enjoy that element of surprise.
tenfold234 How much work did Sharkey had to do for this project?

I mean outside of provide tunes and STEM mix.

Did he have to do all the mastering of the music? Did he have to any of the artwork?

Because if all he had to do was provide music (which was done almost a decade ago) and do up a mix then this should have been the easiest paycheque ever for him.

How hard is it to provide music that I am assuming is collecting dust in a bin somewhere.

He must hate money. Or he is a scam artist which in that case should be boycotted from the scene
Missingno
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
How hard is it to provide music that I am assuming is collecting dust in a bin somewhere.



Most likely sectarism, as I stated some months ago in another topic. In the world of electronic music, especially involving collectors and producers of music from 90's and early 00's, there is so much of that when it comes to release for sale the full-length digital masters of stuff that only went available on vinyl by that time. There are a lot of producers (yes, too many, unfortunately) that really HATE so much the idea of releasing for sale their early works digitally, as if that somehow deprivated them from their valued "treasure" with which they would like to be buried at death, as if they were a pharaoh. That sensation is so strong in them that they even reject stubbornly the chance to earn more money by selling their works digitally (even being just that, digital COPIES); they just prefer to feed their narcisism, megalomany, selfishness and egocentrism with the yearnings of the people who claim for their works to be released and sold digitally.
Chwhynny
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
How much work did Sharkey had to do for this project?

I mean outside of provide tunes and STEM mix.

Did he have to do all the mastering of the music? Did he have to any of the artwork?

Because if all he had to do was provide music (which was done almost a decade ago) and do up a mix then this should have been the easiest paycheque ever for him.

How hard is it to provide music that I am assuming is collecting dust in a bin somewhere.

He must hate money. Or he is a scam artist which in that case should be boycotted from the scene



CDJay and I drove to Sharkey's house and recorded the DATs together. Sharkey put a lot of effort into the stem mix, and it turned out great. However he did deliver his mix very late despite many warnings about deadlines, resulting in the album being late.

Apart from that, the tracks were mastered through HU, and CDJay was mainly responsible for the tracklist of the physical CD and getting the artwork sorted (the artwork was made by the artist who did the original Bonkers artwork). I won't even go into the number of hours CDJay spent on the phone to Sharkey and driving up and down the country to get all this sorted!

I made the DDP images (kind of like a Nero CD image from back in the day or a PDF when it comes to documents or images) for manufacture and made sure the CD text was correct and working on most systems.

We then got the CDs manufactured and shipped to HU HQ, and CDJay and I have shipped every single unit ourselves.

So yes, no hard feelings towards Sharkey, we all know what he's like and HU took a massive risk attempting to put out his physical CD artist album. CDJay is very passionate about the music, and does his very best to preserve it in the best possible quality when no-one else will or can. It's a shame Sharkey has gone off the radar again, and it hurts us on a personal level as well as a professional one, but who knows what the future holds...

What I do know is that whenever another clearable track resurfaces, CDJay will make sure it becomes available to the people who bought the Completionist Edition in the best possible quality.
tenfold234 And I am 1000% grateful to HU for releasing not only the physical album but making (what was supposed to be on album 10 years ago) available.

I mean it sucks there are still items outstanding but if you think about it Sharkey's album got released. The man himself couldn't even accomplish that feet over 10 years before having a piracy hissy fit over Hardcore Energy 2.

Plus we got TNC all out there now as well as assorted Al Storm and Euphony tunes.

The ultimate delivery would be to get a completionist Raverbaby/Jellybaby collection. Although I hear Hixxy is a much as a flake as Sharkey when it comes to releasing stuff. Must be in 'Bonkers' water ;)
Rhoobarb2005 Can anyone tell me if Cybersurfin' is in there? I have been holding out hope since Bonkers 5 was released that it would get a proper full release.

An epic track that seems relatively forgotten.

Too many pioneering freeform tracks seem to be lost. :(
Samination Unless there's been an update in the zip files, these are all the stuff, excluding the Hard Life and CD singles of Product of Society and Revoltion EP.

quote:
/HUAACD007 Sharkey - Tech Noir/
HUAACD007 CD1 01 Sharkey - Product Of Society (Fracus & Darwin remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 02 Sharkey - Distant Dreams (Jakka-B remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 03 Sharkey - Anything She Wants (Gorilla Tactics remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 04 Sharkey - Lazerbeam Addict (A.B remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 05 Sharkey & Trixxy - Genesis (M-Project remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 06 Sharkey ft Lisa Abbott - Bonkers Anthem (Al Storm remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 07 Sharkey - Therapy (A.B & Cyrax remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 08 Sharkey & Arkitech - Dual Illumination (Arkitech's HHC remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 09 Sharkey, Odyssey & Arkitech - Black Rain(Chris Ross & Darwin remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 10 Sharkey - Sound Assassin (Cube::Hard remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 11 Sharkey - Todays The Day (Fracus & Darwin remix)
HUAACD007 CD1 12 Sharkey - Sci Fi (SynthWulf remix)
HUAACD007 CD2 01 Sharkey, Arkitech & Odyssey - Black Rain
HUAACD007 CD2 02 Sharkey & Arkitech - Quadraphonix (2015 Stem Update)
HUAACD007 CD2 03 Sharkey & Arkitech - Dual Illumination
HUAACD007 CD2 04 Sharkey, Kevin Energy & K-Komplex - Anna (Cube::Hard remix)
HUAACD007 CD2 05 Sharkey & K-Komplex - Overdrive (Ephexis remix)
HUAACD007 CD2 06 Sharkey - OCD
HUAACD007 CD2 07 Sharkey - Pumpin' Religion (Inverse & Orbit1 remix)
HUAACD007 CD2 08 Sharkey - Bang Like A Mother
HUAACD007 CD2 09 Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Vocal mix)
HUAACD007 CD2 10 Sharkey & Stormtrooper - Lazerbeat Addict
HUAACD007 CD2 11 Sharkey & Arkitech - Never Say Die
HUAACD007 CD2 12 Sharkey & Oli G - Sci Fi
HUAACD007 CD3 01 Marc Smith Vs Safe & Sound - Identify the Beat
HUAACD007 CD3 02 Ham & Sharkey - Don't Stop
HUAACD007 CD3 03 Devestate & Sharkey - Terrabeat
HUAACD007 CD3 04 CLSM Vs Sharkey - Wicked MC
HUAACD007 CD3 05 Sharkey - Sound Assassin (Instrumental mix)
HUAACD007 CD3 06 Sharkey & UFO - Terra Nova
HUAACD007 CD3 07 Sharkey & Eclipse - Mind Launch
HUAACD007 CD3 08 Sharkey & Druid - Bonkers Anthem
HUAACD007 CD3 09 Seb - Rainbow Islands (Sharkey remix)
HUAACD007 CD3 11 The Vampire - Teknostorm (Sharkey remix)

/Tech Noir Completionist Batch 1/
TNCOMP1 Arkitech - Ready To Move (Synthwulf remix)
TNCOMP1 Arkitech - Shadow Of A Memory (A.B remix)
TNCOMP1 Cube::Hard - 2D Sci Fi
TNCOMP1 Darwin, Obie & Mr. E - StereoSonic (A.B remix)
TNCOMP1 Ham & Sharkey - Don't Stop
TNCOMP1 Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Douglas remix)
TNCOMP1 Sharkey - Can You Feel (C.R.A.F.T mix)
TNCOMP1 Sharkey - Funk Da Hardcore
TNCOMP1 Sharkey - Lizard Lounge
TNCOMP1 Sharkey - Lo-tek (Oli G remix)
TNCOMP1 Sharkey - Pumpin Religion (Inverse & Orbit1 remix)
TNCOMP1 Sharkey - Terrabeat (Darwin remix)
TNCOMP1 Sharkey - The Awakening (Joey Riot remix)
TNCOMP1 Sharkey & Arkitech - Where Shall My Wandering Soul Begin? (Finnbarr remix)

/Tech Noir Completionist Batch 2/
TNCOMP2 Druid & Sharkey - Bonkers Anthem (Bonkers 17 mix)
TNCOMP2 Entity & Darwin ft MC Sharkey - 21 Days (VIP mix)
TNCOMP2 Hixxy & Sharkey - Toy Town (Darwin remix, Big Kick edit)
TNCOMP2 Hixxy & Sharkey - Toy Town (Darwin remix, UK Kick edit)
TNCOMP2 Kaos & Ethos ft MC Sharkey - Get ****ed 2006 (AMS remix)
TNCOMP2 Kaos & Ethos ft MC Sharkey - Get ****ed 2006 (Gammer remix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - Anything You Want (Gorilla Tactics More Vocal remix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Dan Phillips remix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - Genesis (Doughboy & Ian K remix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - Gravy Beatz (Douglas remix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - Gravy Beatz (Instrumental mix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - Gravy Beatz (Vocal mix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - I-Robot
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - I-Robot (Greg Peaks remix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - Never Say Die (Kevin Energy remix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - Pumpin Religion
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - Time After Time
TNCOMP2 Sharkey - We're In Heaven Now
TNCOMP2 Sharkey & AMS - Motion Maker
TNCOMP2 Sharkey & CLSM - Damage
TNCOMP2 Sharkey & CLSM - Wicked MC (Marc Smith remix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey & Darwin - Rockandrolla
TNCOMP2 Sharkey & Druid - E-nuff (Exclusive mix)
NUNRG006 b1 Sharkey & Eclipse - Mind Launch
NUNRG006 a1 Sharkey & Eclipse - The Warning
TNCOMP2 Sharkey & Kevin Energy - Wise Up Get Stupid
TNCOMP2 Sharkey & Kevin Energy - Wise Up Get Stupid (Outro mix)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey & Marc Smith - It's All Just Hardcore
TNCOMP2 Sharkey & Marc Smith - It's All Just Hardcore (audio unflipped)
TNCOMP2 Sharkey & Marc Smith - Utopia

/Tech Noir Completionist Batch 3/
TNCOMP3 Darwin & Entity ft MC Sharkey - 21 Days (Hard edit)
TNCOMP3 Eclipse - Ultraworld 5
TNCOMP3 Hixxy & Sharkey - Toy Town (United Dance Exclusive mix)
TNCOMP3 Kaos & Ethos ft MC Sharkey - Get ****ed (Transcend & Cyrax remix)
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - Anything She Wants
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - Ascending Angels (Vocal mix)
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - Bang Like A Mother (Joey Riot remix)
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - D-Stroy
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - Like A Maniac
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - Lo-tek
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - My Everything
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - My Everything (Ham remix)
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - My Everything (Instrumental mix)
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - Overdrive
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - Overdrive (K-Komplex remix)
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - Sound Assassin (Vocal mix)
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - Today's the Day
TNCOMP3 Sharkey - Today's the Day (Darwin's New Day mix)
TNCOMP3 Sharkey & Arkitech - Where Shall My Wandering Soul Begin?
TNCOMP3 Sharkey & CLSM - Acid Child
TNCOMP3 Sharkey & CLSM - Damage (remix)
TNCOMP3 Sharkey & CLSM - Wicked MC (AMS remix)
TNCOMP3 Sharkey & CLSM - Wicked MC (Exclusive mix)
BONK004 a1 Sharkey & Trixxy - Genesis
BONK004 b1 Sharkey & Trixxy - Therapy


Rhoobarb2005 Thanks for that. Not there unfortunately, but it was a collaboration so perhaps there is still hope for it to surface by other sources.
Triquatra I talked to Matt Schwartz a while ago and he said it was done by him in house at React; I don't think Sharkey was involved in it. I asked him about the DATs and he reffered me to James Horrocks at react as being the last hope for it. He doesn't have it anymore; just does trance now if I recall correctly.

An absolute cryin' shame as that song is a prime example of all that is right with freeform...

...or was :'(

If it was truely lost to the sands of time I wouldn't be against trying to have a crack at remaking it (not remixing).
Rhoobarb2005 That is so sad. Another of my "unicorns" has been slain.

But your remake idea sounds pretty sweet. A Ravechief style makeover would be spot on.

If I can help in any way, let me know :)
Samination "Lost your DATs? No Problems! DJ Triquatra remakes the track for you!! Only 666 dalers!!!"
tenfold234 I wish the Hardcore Heaven 4 version of Gravy Beatz would be uploaded as that was the version I was hoping for
Thumpa Did the Toytown remixes get released in the end?
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
Did the Toytown remixes get released in the end?



Only the 2 Darwin versions, and an United Dance version
CDJay Vinylgroover ones going up shortly, too.

CDJay
Coolgamer Gods, it's a right shame that I missed out on this... I would have spent a decent amount of cash on a digital collection that big. I suppose there's no chance of it ever being available again... sigh. Reeks absolute havoc on my OCD.

I see that some people actually requested refunds. I'd be more then happy to pay out on the basis of the digital content alone, not even expecting updates. You guys deserve it for all the work you've done preserving rave history for the future generations. Let me know if anything might be able to be worked out, yeah?

Side note: If you ever manage to get in touch with Nick Arnold, who's a pretty cool guy, I would KILL for a proper BANG! collection. They're probably my favorite Happy Hardcore group.
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by Coolgamer:
Gods, it's a right shame that I missed out on this... I would have spent a decent amount of cash on a digital collection that big. I suppose there's no chance of it ever being available again... sigh. Reeks absolute havoc on my OCD.

I see that some people actually requested refunds. I'd be more then happy to pay out on the basis of the digital content alone, not even expecting updates. You guys deserve it for all the work you've done preserving rave history for the future generations. Let me know if anything might be able to be worked out, yeah?

Side note: If you ever manage to get in touch with Nick Arnold, who's a pretty cool guy, I would KILL for a proper BANG! collection. They're probably my favorite Happy Hardcore group.



I think it would be quite an extensive collection, considering how much songs like Shooting star have been licensed out
djDMS 800 tracks.


790 of them would be remixes of Shooting star
Coolgamer I certainly wouldn't expect them to be able to track them all down, but it would be nice to have a huge set, including some of their more obscure stuff. I'd easily drop some serious cash on it. I've talked to Nick in the past and he seems pretty cool. It would probably be an issue of licensing with various records, but he might be open to stuff he holds the rights to himself.

Still... seriously put out that I missed that one release. OCD is a bitch.
crossfire
quote:
Originally posted by tenfold234:
I wish the Hardcore Heaven 4 version of Gravy Beatz would be uploaded as that was the version I was hoping for



Think that is just a mix bud, it's just had the second drop cut out?
JollyBoyJohn Hey, Is there any updates on last batch. Hate to bring it up again but i read a few comments back that it was going up before end of the month which was December. Thx.
Weakness
quote:
Originally posted by JollyBoyJohn:
Hey, Is there any updates on last batch. Hate to bring it up again but i read a few comments back that it was going up before end of the month which was December. Thx.


Hope so. Would love to have the Toytown stuff that was obtained (yet?) recently.
CDJay Hixxy is back from Oz, so I'll re-clear with him and get the fixed tracks up at the same time.

Still no contact from Sharkey, though

CDJay
Weakness
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Hixxy is back from Oz, so I'll re-clear with him and get the fixed tracks up at the same time.

Still no contact from Sharkey, though

CDJay



Thanks.
tenfold234 I just noticed on the store that completionist edition is back on sale (for 25 lbs less). Does this mean that the current collection is the final collection or is there anymore coming
CDJay There is more coming; still no contact from Sharkey *but* think we've found a source for most of the Bonkers label stuff.

As always, whatever we get we'll add.... even if something turns up in 5 years time

CDJay

Vladel
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
There is more coming; still no contact from Sharkey *but* think we've found a source for most of the Bonkers label stuff.

As always, whatever we get we'll add.... even if something turns up in 5 years time

CDJay





Any Update? I appreciate you have worked your bollocks off and achieved what i would call good value. Hell the big kick update of toytown is worth ?10 on its own (ham could not make ten of them) so i don't want you to think i am moaning or anything. I really appreciate your hard work.
CDJay I *think* I have found a fascinating way around this roadblock. Typically it involves maximum trauma.

On it 😅

CDJay
Mad Max
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
I *think* I have found a fascinating way around this roadblock. Typically it involves maximum trauma.

On it 😅

CDJay



If the nu energy cat is being worked on is Kev able to assist?
CDJay I'm not worried about the nu energy back cat, it'll be well preserved and fillable.

However I am worried about st033 😓

CDJay
MusicILove Did the broken tracks get fixed? Really hoping for an update.
Weakness
quote:
Originally posted by MusicILove:
Did the broken tracks get fixed? Really hoping for an update.


AFAIK, no. I think he's waiting for the next batch first and it'll be included into that. Hopefully it'll happen someday.
LeVzi
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
I'm not worried about the nu energy back cat, it'll be well preserved and fillable.

However I am worried about st033 😓

CDJay



Stompin Choonz ? 33 ?
hashieb2k19 New here, and just read this mamonth thread. Just thought I would post this hilarity I just found while browsing the React catalogue on Juno Download, I discovered a newishly added Bonkers release of Energy & Loopys Overdose and Millenium at the wrong sped, so quite obviously 33 rather than 45, why would they make these tracks available like this without spotting the mistake, are they really that thick?

https://www.junodownload.com/products/energy-overdose-millenium/3718345-02/
Triquatra Hah! Yes

both dj friendly and full speed on hardcore innovators though, luckily.

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Hardcore-Innovators/release/187620
hashieb2k19 react us is the offical react, the other react is the account owned by phoenix international or whoever they are who bought loads of bankrupt labels a while ago.
Samination I tried looking for info on who actually runs React/Resist at the moment, I even tried looking for the registered trademark for React, and when it comes to music, it hasnt been an active trademark in the EU since 2001 :P
MusicILove Rainbow Islands Extended has its outro cut short.
MusicILove The money from the React releases are going to a company called Stage 52
Triquatra Wot? lol
MusicILove I brought Rainbow Islands on iTunes a while ago when I found out it was cut short I requested a refund. Also it was only 3 minutes long. On the purchase history it said it?s from Stage 52. I assume they brought the rights to it when the label went bust or whatever happened.

There is a small amount of information in the description of this video.



So whoever put theses these digital tracks up only care about the money.
JollyBoyJohn Any updates on next batch, i mean is the Bonkerz label stuff really that hard to get hold of, most not all are on Juno and various other sites which i bought a few years back but the HD they were on fried and Juno have a week limit on downloads. I wouldn't mind buying them all again but they should be included in this tbf. Thx.
Samination At least it seems like they can allow for re-downloads, but you have to ask them
https://www.junodownload.com/help/faq/10
Dookie77 Just seen HU has a sale on Tech Noir, I hope Sharkey's not getting any more royalties for his disloyalty!
djDMS They should give it away and send him the bill.
LeVzi tbh im really suprised Sharkey went this way. I don't know the whole story, but he's always been pretty decent from what I saw. Seems I was wrong.
Coolgamer That feeling when you dropped maybe $200 or more in the store and then see there's a flipping summer sale after you already made the purchase. Sigh.

MusicILove For those that want a good copy of SEB - Rainbow Islands (Sharkey Remix)
Here you go
https://www.junodownload.com/products/react-test-five/3377047-02/
Samination Oh. I thought it wasn't there because it's not on the actual release of Rainbow Island.

Is that still a vinyl rip?
https://www.discogs.com/Various-React-Test-Five/release/39535
MusicILove
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Oh. I thought it wasn't there because it's not on the actual release of Rainbow Island.

Is that still a vinyl rip?
https://www.discogs.com/Various-React-Test-Five/release/39535


I don't think so
Sounds perfect to me.
hashieb2k19 No its a digital copy, ive owned said CD for years, i bought a load of the react test albums at a car bot sale a few years back for pittance :)
Samination Unless he buy a digital copy himself, I think CDJay would love getting it :P
Triquatra Car boot sales ftw. I think he meant is it a vinylrip in the sense that some of the tracks that made it onto cds back then were also just vinylrips.
djDMS What's up with the version on the CD?
MusicILove
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
What's up with the version on the CD?


Have you heard it?
Triquatra well it does sound a little distorted in places, but how that is relatively speaking compared to the react test 5 version I dunno...yet - just bought it and it'll be here soon :P
(bought cd version cause I ain't paying 9GBP odd for the lot when I can get it for 50p off discogs :D

i'll fire a copy over to cdjay when it gets here anyway so if it is better the completionists will all get it.
djDMS
quote:
Originally posted by MusicILove:
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
What's up with the version on the CD?


Have you heard it?



Obviously or I wouldn't be asking.

You planning on answering the question or just being a dick?
MusicILove Give me 15 minutes and I shall upload a comparison.
Hard2Get
quote:
Originally posted by hashieb2k19:
No its a digital copy, ive owned said CD for years, i bought a load of the react test albums at a car bot sale a few years back for pittance :)



Triquatra's tactic. Looks like he might have competition lol.
Triquatra Damn skippy! Haha. Bought Reactivate 1 from a car boot last year for 50p - didn't like it, sold it for about ?20! Booooyah!
MusicILove Very quick comparison of the Sharkey album versus react test five.

Sharkey Album
React Test 5
Sharkey Album
React Test 5
Sharkey Album
React Test 5
Sharkey Album
React Test 5
MusicILove
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
quote:
Originally posted by MusicILove:
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
What's up with the version on the CD?


Have you heard it?



Obviously or I wouldn't be asking.

You planning on answering the question or just being a dick?


I thought you might not of heard it that's why you were asking what was wrong. Sorry my fault I have gone on the computer and uploaded a sample for you and anyone else who wants it before buying. Sorry again.
Samination Yea, I noticed that some of the older tracks on the sharkey album were vinylrips, and like Triq said, some CDs (like the HTID ones) have vinyl rips on them, so my question was if the React Test 5 also was one. And with your sample comparison, I can't hear any audioable clicks in the middle section (the part after the intro).

and now I at least know that she doesn't pronounce the k in sky sometimes, and not a fault in my own vinyl rip :P
Triquatra React Test Five arrived, the verison of Rainbow Islands on it is definately a digital version as oppossed to a vinylrip - and the quality is much better so I've passed it on to CdJay so the completionists will get it! So don't fret about buying it separatedly if you are a completionist! :)


though I must say the rest of the compilation (React Test Five) is really good, think I'm going to pick up the others too.


djDMS Think I've got a couple, might have to dig them out
hashieb2k19
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
React Test Five arrived, the verison of Rainbow Islands on it is definately a digital version as oppossed to a vinylrip - and the quality is much better so I've passed it on to CdJay so the completionists will get it! So don't fret about buying it separatedly if you are a completionist! :)


though I must say the rest of the compilation (React Test Five) is really good, think I'm going to pick up the others too.






Told ya, couldve uploaded it in wav of flac to you for zilch :P
Triquatra No good, as I wanted the cd plus the rest of the tracks. But mostly the CD as I'm an avid collector of cds. =) But thank you for the offer anyway!
Coolgamer There's a really bad error at 3:23 on "Time After Time" from batch 2.
Weakness Any news on the fixed files and the Bonkers01 version of Toytown? (Hixxy still had it, right?)
Samination Considering Hixxy's harddrive crash (or was it only UFO's?), I highly doubt that Hixxy has anything left from before 2010. And I doubt we'll ever see anything new from this collection, other than a few tracks from the Bonkers label (not the albums)
Weakness
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Considering Hixxy's harddrive crash (or was it only UFO's?), I highly doubt that Hixxy has anything left from before 2010. And I doubt we'll ever see anything new from this collection, other than a few tracks from the Bonkers label (not the albums)


Oh, I see... that's unfortunate if he lost everything pre2010.
tenfold234 My understanding is that Kevin Energy is hopefully filling in the gaps for CDJay regarding this collection because there is going to be a Nu Energy label release at some point and there was alot of Sharkey material on not just on Nu Energy but on the sub labels (Bonkerz, Kaotik etc..).

I could be wrong though
Samination I thought Kevin ****ed off again? The short stint he had a couple of years ago didn't seem to amount to much
MusicILove I don?t think there will be anymore updates to this or any of the older bundles. From what I can tell these are never going to be finished. It looks like there have been some changes in how things are run.

They have been very quiet for a reason.

Then again I?m just speculating with the small amount of info and circumstantial evidence I have.
djDMS
quote:
Originally posted by MusicILove:
Then again I?m just speculating with the small amount of info and circumstantial evidence I have.



Like what?
MusicILove Well there is something I can't reveal but what's publicly visible I can say.

1 Vinylgroover batch 3 came with tracks with the beginnings cut off. One of those tracks is fixed and was given out on the anthologies. So if they have had the fixed track since May / June or whenever it was why not update the bundle. The Second track Rush Hour (Vinylgrover Remix) is pretty easy to fix without having to re-record the original DAT. I have personally done this with my copy.

2 On the Fade & Bananaman Anthology volume 2 Can Can you do it was on there but was not added to the Sharkey bundle or if they have they haven't said anything about it. At this point I feel even 1 track would make people happy.

3 It has been mentioned on Facebook or in the newsletter about a change in the shipping and support staff.

4 They got Hardcore Heaven 5 out quickly which signals a change in direction they have said since 2018 they weren't going to do pre orders but still continued to do them so what changed.

5 CDJay's silence. Since they got Hardcore Heaven 5 shipped quickly I would of thought he would of been on here talking about it. I would of personally thanked and congratulated him on this. I was shocked and very happy when the CD arrived.

6 Other things that I'm not 100% on so I don't want to speculate and get it wrong.

7 The lack of communication on Blu The Roof. it was finished a few months ago with a video of a disc going in to a Blu Ray player or that's what it looked like to me. So why no word in the latest news letter, And why hasn't it shipped.

8 This one is a question I have had throughout these bundles is how do they handle the finances
Let's use a theoretical situation to explain my question.

Let's say 100 people brought the Sharkey bundle when batch 1 was out HU get 50% the rest gets distributed to the labels and artists.

Now let's say they add batch 2 to the Sharkey bundle the artists & labels already got paid for the first batch so how do the second artists and labels get paid then a third batch comes out. The same question arises.

In the case of the Sharkey bundle they have it on the store now but I can't imagine it has sold that many since going on the store.

So unless they are paying royalties out of their own profits how can they pay these artists and labels for the first 100 people to get the tracks when that was delt with years ago. Also then baring in mind every new person that buys it has to pay royalties of the same amount to the artists and labels in batch 1, 2 and 3.

It also doesn't make business sense for them to be adding tracks to the bundles spending their time. Obtaining the tracks, Licensing them, Mastering them, Labelling them, Uploading them to the store. their time costs money.

I think the bundle is what it is and it will most likely never change unless Sharkey becomes really popular for some reason.

They might have some fancy way of paying the artists that means all what I have just said is irrelevant and I hope that is true as they originally promised every track and remix by and of Sharkey and they have yet to deliver.

Some tracks like the ones on CLSM's labels are obtainable from digital stores and so it's just the licensing to work out with those and they haven't done it. Perhaps CLSM won't license to them.

Either way I don't think it's viable to be putting a ton of time in to something that is only going to trickle money in. Especially when it appears the profit margin will get smaller with everything they add.

In the case of the Just Another Label bundle's where they are missing stuff to this day it makes no sense to spend time and money adding things to something that is not on sale anymore and might not ever come back.

In the case of the TNC bundles everything works out. They have everything before they put a price on it based on the amount of tracks in the bundle. Everyone knows what they are getting and the number won't change.

If you have read this far here is a little reward for you (https://music.apple.com/gb/album/the-future-of-hardcore-finale/1330211545) It's only ?7.99.

I'm not trying to Diss HU. I really do feel for them in a lot of cases they have been treated unfairly but in some cases they haven't helped themselves. I feel they deserve financial compensation for all of the work they put in which is why I don't think they will be adding to these. They would only eat in to their own profits. While I would love to have the missing items I don't feel the current model would deliver.

As for a solution this one might not be popular but perhaps they could add a second part to this and say for ?50 you can get the rest of the collection and they could use the money from that to obtain the extra tracks and pay the royalties for them. This would be an option for those that want it. For those that are happy with what they have got they can stick where they are.

This is just an idea and not anything official I know nothing of the status of what's going on as far as these bundles go I'm just guessing. Putting 2 and 2 together and getting 247.

Again I'm not dissing HU I'm trying to see things from their point of view. This might all be rubbish in which case fine ignore me. I don't want any backlash from this but I feel that people have payed for something and it hasn't been delivered. There hasn't been any updates about the bundles in months. e.g Samination and the Pleasure & pain remixes I'm sure it was said they had them and were going to upload them 1 weekend that never happened.

I feel for HU and the awful position they have been left in but I also feel for the buyers who wanted certain tracks and thought this was the way to get them. Years of searching and this comes along. The answer to their prayers and then what they wanted never happens.

Everybody loses in this case.


That's my take on it all and the reasons I don't think the bundles will get updates.

Welcome to my brain (Perhaps this is why I don't sleep much. My brain is always going, always trying to figure things out)

HA HA the website preview button won't work.

This is all Speculation from my brain.
MusicILove Please don't hate me HU people.
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:
Originally posted by MusicILove:

HA HA the website preview button won't work.




lol!
Thumpa I'm so glad I got a refund when I did, sounds a right mess.
Rhoobarb2005 I never understand the idea behind selling digital download media in limited quantities.
MusicILove
quote:
Originally posted by Rhoobarb2005:
I never understand the idea behind selling digital download media in limited quantities.


It's to try and drive sales by using the fear of missing out. If they limit things by time or quantity people who would normally say oh I'll wait till I got some spare money will be more likely to buy in to it. Or people who want 1 or 2 tracks might buy the whole thing for fear this might be their last time to get it.

It's a very bad sales tactic in my opinion but unfortunately it does work. This however can be a shame for those people who missed out on the bundle or don't know about it at the time. They then have to turn to piracy as the only way to get the music they want.

It works as a sales tactic to bring money in quickly however in the long term I suspect it hurts the artists as most of the music then gets pirated as it is no longer available to buy.

I personally prefer to buy music whenever I can but unfortunately a lot of things are no longer available. This in my opinion is the fault of the artist and the labels they could be making money by selling their tracks, putting them on download stores so they're available to everyone whenever they want, but they choose not to and so they then cannot complain about piracy because people have no other way to get this music.

A lot of artists I fear are waiting until they have financial issues or want some quick cash to start selling digital versions of their music. This is what I think is happening with Force & Styles. I also think this is happening with Hixxy and raver baby as there are a significant amount of Raver Baby tracks available in digital and so this whole thing about the hard drive crash I think is rubbish.

All of the artists who made the tracks all of the people on the promo list all of the friends that they gave copies to, all of the CDs they burned to play out with. They can't say that because one hard drive Died the tracks will no longer exist. I'm perfectly fine with an MP3 copy if that's all we can get that is really better than a terrible vinyl rip.

Then again if Hixxy and force and styles sold all their old music to people they couldn't make money playing classic sets as they could hire a smaller name DJ's with the same tracks to do the same sets or perhaps even better. Most top DJs can barely mix and it really gets to me. There are some very talented DJs out there that deserve recognition but don't get it because promoters would rather have Hixxy or Dougal or Breeze on their flyer.

For those who would say Darren Styles doesn't need the money. I say he will do when the EDM/Hardstyle scene throws him to the curb he will then need something to do and come crawling back to hardcore to play classic sets for the rest of his life.

Have you seen his Audi his nice fast Audi it needs fuel.

Samination Did you just spoil who made that track? :P
MusicILove
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Did you just spoil who made that track? :P


No. I don?t know who made it. Sparkz publicly put the parts up in a different thread. He said he got sent them over MSN.

No spoilers here
djDMS
quote:
Originally posted by MusicILove:
quote:
Originally posted by Rhoobarb2005:
I never understand the idea behind selling digital download media in limited quantities.


It's to try and drive sales by using the fear of missing out. If they limit things by time or quantity people who would normally say oh I'll wait till I got some spare money will be more likely to buy in to it. Or people who want 1 or 2 tracks might buy the whole thing for fear this might be their last time to get it.

It's a very bad sales tactic in my opinion but unfortunately it does work. This however can be a shame for those people who missed out on the bundle or don't know about it at the time. They then have to turn to piracy as the only way to get the music they want.

It works as a sales tactic to bring money in quickly however in the long term I suspect it hurts the artists as most of the music then gets pirated as it is no longer available to buy.

I personally prefer to buy music whenever I can but unfortunately a lot of things are no longer available. This in my opinion is the fault of the artist and the labels they could be making money by selling their tracks, putting them on download stores so they're available to everyone whenever they want, but they choose not to and so they then cannot complain about piracy because people have no other way to get this music.

A lot of artists I fear are waiting until they have financial issues or want some quick cash to start selling digital versions of their music. This is what I think is happening with Force & Styles. I also think this is happening with Hixxy and raver baby as there are a significant amount of Raver Baby tracks available in digital and so this whole thing about the hard drive crash I think is rubbish.

All of the artists who made the tracks all of the people on the promo list all of the friends that they gave copies to, all of the CDs they burned to play out with. They can't say that because one hard drive Died the tracks will no longer exist. I'm perfectly fine with an MP3 copy if that's all we can get that is really better than a terrible vinyl rip.

Then again if Hixxy and force and styles sold all their old music to people they couldn't make money playing classic sets as they could hire a smaller name DJ's with the same tracks to do the same sets or perhaps even better. Most top DJs can barely mix and it really gets to me. There are some very talented DJs out there that deserve recognition but don't get it because promoters would rather have Hixxy or Dougal or Breeze on their flyer.




...or the artist/labels involved insist on it.
MusicILove
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
quote:
Originally posted by MusicILove:
quote:
Originally posted by Rhoobarb2005:
I never understand the idea behind selling digital download media in limited quantities.


It's to try and drive sales by using the fear of missing out. If they limit things by time or quantity people who would normally say oh I'll wait till I got some spare money will be more likely to buy in to it. Or people who want 1 or 2 tracks might buy the whole thing for fear this might be their last time to get it.

It's a very bad sales tactic in my opinion but unfortunately it does work. This however can be a shame for those people who missed out on the bundle or don't know about it at the time. They then have to turn to piracy as the only way to get the music they want.

It works as a sales tactic to bring money in quickly however in the long term I suspect it hurts the artists as most of the music then gets pirated as it is no longer available to buy.

I personally prefer to buy music whenever I can but unfortunately a lot of things are no longer available. This in my opinion is the fault of the artist and the labels they could be making money by selling their tracks, putting them on download stores so they're available to everyone whenever they want, but they choose not to and so they then cannot complain about piracy because people have no other way to get this music.

A lot of artists I fear are waiting until they have financial issues or want some quick cash to start selling digital versions of their music. This is what I think is happening with Force & Styles. I also think this is happening with Hixxy and raver baby as there are a significant amount of Raver Baby tracks available in digital and so this whole thing about the hard drive crash I think is rubbish.

All of the artists who made the tracks all of the people on the promo list all of the friends that they gave copies to, all of the CDs they burned to play out with. They can't say that because one hard drive Died the tracks will no longer exist. I'm perfectly fine with an MP3 copy if that's all we can get that is really better than a terrible vinyl rip.

Then again if Hixxy and force and styles sold all their old music to people they couldn't make money playing classic sets as they could hire a smaller name DJ's with the same tracks to do the same sets or perhaps even better. Most top DJs can barely mix and it really gets to me. There are some very talented DJs out there that deserve recognition but don't get it because promoters would rather have Hixxy or Dougal or Breeze on their flyer.




...or the artist/labels involved insist on it.


They do in most cases insist on it but the only reason for digital products to have limited availability is to push short term sales.
Samination
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Did you just spoil who made that track? :P


No. I don?t know who made it. Sparkz publicly put the parts up in a different thread. He said he got sent them over MSN.

No spoilers here



"he got sent them" just as much as "he sent them to you"... hm, are you Sparkz!?!?!?!

HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!!!
Samination
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
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Originally posted by Rhoobarb2005:
I never understand the idea behind selling digital download media in limited quantities.


It's to try and drive sales by using the fear of missing out. If they limit things by time or quantity people who would normally say oh I'll wait till I got some spare money will be more likely to buy in to it. Or people who want 1 or 2 tracks might buy the whole thing for fear this might be their last time to get it.

It's a very bad sales tactic in my opinion but unfortunately it does work. This however can be a shame for those people who missed out on the bundle or don't know about it at the time. They then have to turn to piracy as the only way to get the music they want.

It works as a sales tactic to bring money in quickly however in the long term I suspect it hurts the artists as most of the music then gets pirated as it is no longer available to buy.

I personally prefer to buy music whenever I can but unfortunately a lot of things are no longer available. This in my opinion is the fault of the artist and the labels they could be making money by selling their tracks, putting them on download stores so they're available to everyone whenever they want, but they choose not to and so they then cannot complain about piracy because people have no other way to get this music.

A lot of artists I fear are waiting until they have financial issues or want some quick cash to start selling digital versions of their music. This is what I think is happening with Force & Styles. I also think this is happening with Hixxy and raver baby as there are a significant amount of Raver Baby tracks available in digital and so this whole thing about the hard drive crash I think is rubbish.

All of the artists who made the tracks all of the people on the promo list all of the friends that they gave copies to, all of the CDs they burned to play out with. They can't say that because one hard drive Died the tracks will no longer exist. I'm perfectly fine with an MP3 copy if that's all we can get that is really better than a terrible vinyl rip.

Then again if Hixxy and force and styles sold all their old music to people they couldn't make money playing classic sets as they could hire a smaller name DJ's with the same tracks to do the same sets or perhaps even better. Most top DJs can barely mix and it really gets to me. There are some very talented DJs out there that deserve recognition but don't get it because promoters would rather have Hixxy or Dougal or Breeze on their flyer.




...or the artist/labels involved insist on it.


They do in most cases insist on it but the only reason for digital products to have limited availability is to push short term sales.




I doubt it would work great with older stuff, but I would love to see something similar to that of Video Games. An Exclusivity deal for a select few (the first 100?) for the first 6 months or 1 year. And then re-release it.
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MusicILove
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
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Originally posted by Rhoobarb2005:
I never understand the idea behind selling digital download media in limited quantities.


It's to try and drive sales by using the fear of missing out. If they limit things by time or quantity people who would normally say oh I'll wait till I got some spare money will be more likely to buy in to it. Or people who want 1 or 2 tracks might buy the whole thing for fear this might be their last time to get it.

It's a very bad sales tactic in my opinion but unfortunately it does work. This however can be a shame for those people who missed out on the bundle or don't know about it at the time. They then have to turn to piracy as the only way to get the music they want.

It works as a sales tactic to bring money in quickly however in the long term I suspect it hurts the artists as most of the music then gets pirated as it is no longer available to buy.

I personally prefer to buy music whenever I can but unfortunately a lot of things are no longer available. This in my opinion is the fault of the artist and the labels they could be making money by selling their tracks, putting them on download stores so they're available to everyone whenever they want, but they choose not to and so they then cannot complain about piracy because people have no other way to get this music.

A lot of artists I fear are waiting until they have financial issues or want some quick cash to start selling digital versions of their music. This is what I think is happening with Force & Styles. I also think this is happening with Hixxy and raver baby as there are a significant amount of Raver Baby tracks available in digital and so this whole thing about the hard drive crash I think is rubbish.

All of the artists who made the tracks all of the people on the promo list all of the friends that they gave copies to, all of the CDs they burned to play out with. They can't say that because one hard drive Died the tracks will no longer exist. I'm perfectly fine with an MP3 copy if that's all we can get that is really better than a terrible vinyl rip.

Then again if Hixxy and force and styles sold all their old music to people they couldn't make money playing classic sets as they could hire a smaller name DJ's with the same tracks to do the same sets or perhaps even better. Most top DJs can barely mix and it really gets to me. There are some very talented DJs out there that deserve recognition but don't get it because promoters would rather have Hixxy or Dougal or Breeze on their flyer.




...or the artist/labels involved insist on it.


They do in most cases insist on it but the only reason for digital products to have limited availability is to push short term sales.




I doubt it would work great with older stuff, but I would love to see something similar to that of Video Games. An Exclusivity deal for a select few (the first 100?) for the first 6 months or 1 year. And then re-release it.


I wouldn't mind something like that. Like what HU did for the RFU HU & HU Breaks back catalogues.
We will limit it initially but it will be coming back later. That works because it means future people don't miss out. It also means for people who can't afford it now can get it later when they are in a better financial position. But they must state it will be back in a year or 6 months. They can't just say sometime because that could be in 10 years time. Let people know what's going on and offer them the choice. Perhaps offer the limited first run at a discount. Like they did with that bundle.
Coolgamer I honestly wouldn't mind paying more for updates to some of the catalogs.

Has anyone made a list as to what's "missing" from each pack? I think I own all of the label bundles, but if anything's missing I want to try to track it down on my end.
Triquatra
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Originally posted by Samination:
HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!!!



The funny thing is...
Samination
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Originally posted by Triquatra:
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Originally posted by Samination:
HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!!!



The funny thing is...



I know... We'll know even more on thursday
Coolgamer https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2019/11/18/valve-just-announced-a-new-half-life-game-but-not-the-one-we-wanted/#23f0c62070d1
Sulphurik Off topic regarding Sharkey but good to see a second Entity album!
JollyBoyJohn Meh, still no updates or anything? Any news on the Bonkerz label or the other remixes of sound assassin has sharkey cheered up and ready to deliver the outstanding tracks or is he still being a muppet?.
Samination
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Originally posted by JollyBoyJohn:
Meh, still no updates or anything? Any news on the Bonkerz label or the other remixes of sound assassin has sharkey cheered up and ready to deliver the outstanding tracks or is he still being a muppet?.



There's nothing the HU crew can do about this. Sharkey bailed at the last minute and we got what we got. Although CDJay did promise/say that he had fished up some of the stuff from other people.
tenfold234 My understanding was that CDJay was working with Kevin Energy to get as much of the rest of the stuff (Bonkerz and Kaotik) as he was working with him on a Nu Energy collection for HU. Not sure if that is still happening.
Weakness Considering CDJay has not posted/said anything in this thread in the past 9-10 months, I think it's safe to say nothing is going to happen and the dream of additional stuff/fixed tracks is dead... unless, by some miracle, Sharkey pops up. (which I doubt will ever happen now)

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