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Vladel
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 Posted - 2015/10/14 : 06:01:05
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Originally posted by danielseven:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
Yeah but gammer is wrong
So, does actual House music have to sound like it's 90s for be still called "House" music, or it needs a new term?
Even Happy Hardcore has it's own evolution, you know.
Anyway, for me it's right to call this music Happy Hardcore. If a production like Toytown, or Diss Reaction has got a different sound than, let's say, "Free From Form" or even "Look Back", they still have got something in common: the euphoric and "rave" vibes.
And then, "UK Hardcore" doesn't really sound global. And this scene needs to be recognized as global.
I thought house already did because i haven't exactly heard the term floating around lately. Don't ask me what they call it now because i don't really know, what i do know is that shit that gammer makes at the moment is not and never will be happy hardcore.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2015/10/14 : 16:36:02
House music was rebranded last year as Genre#5468 to help with confusion. Supreme court made a judgement and made it official last I heard.
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rafferty
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Posted - 2016/01/03 : 03:32:40
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The unlicensed bootlegs the dutch might have are probably outshined by the likes of Kaos and Vinylgroover :P
After dj Paul ripped off Luna C & Jimmy J with his own unlicensed version of 6 days. The UK scene must have been thinking, ok I guess anything goes if the Europeans want to be like that :)
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-CRASH-
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Posted - 2016/01/03 : 10:08:29
I grew up in Northern Ireland, so I'm born and bred on happy hardcore as well as UK Hardcore.
It was always the same genre, just a moving era and different approach and attitude. Like always, the genre keeps blending in with the trends and fads, updating and improving.
The fact that the new attitude was more serious, commercial, trance influenced cut a massive divide in the 'style' from old and new. Now, in 2016.... the genre is beyond the UK and is very International. In Finland, we don't make UK hardcore..... it's certainly stupid to start Finnish Hardcore.... it sounds like a new genre, it sounds like gabber or something.... So the term Happy Hardcore is back, and it's cool again, trending and awesome.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/01/03 : 11:20:31
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Originally posted by -CRASH-:
I grew up in Northern Ireland, so I'm born and bred on happy hardcore as well as UK Hardcore.
It was always the same genre, just a moving era and different approach and attitude. Like always, the genre keeps blending in with the trends and fads, updating and improving.
The fact that the new attitude was more serious, commercial, trance influenced cut a massive divide in the 'style' from old and new. Now, in 2016.... the genre is beyond the UK and is very International. In Finland, we don't make UK hardcore..... it's certainly stupid to start Finnish Hardcore.... it sounds like a new genre, it sounds like gabber or something.... So the term Happy Hardcore is back, and it's cool again, trending and awesome.
wait. there's Hardcore in finland? other than freform that is :P
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Jacco
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Posted - 2016/01/03 : 11:57:43
Heard lots of people in California calling it HappyCore. Been talking to a raver couple in London and mentioned UK Hardcore. She looked at me like  before he said "he means our hardcore". Many of my friends in Germany just call it "Happy". I quite like the traditional 90/00's distinction between Happy Hardcore and UK Hardcore but again the scene has changed massively and maybe with all the worldwide outreach and marketing faff going on it is time for yet another name. I think the name "hardcore" alone makes the music less accessible to a wider audience (whether thats a good thing or not I'm gonna leave up to you). I feel like someone should coin a new name that gets used everywhere, something that makes sense.
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Claxton
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 13:01:03
The more I think about it, the more I just think it's better to call it 'Happy Hardcore'.
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 13:20:11
I think they just dropped the Happy bit because it wasn't cool any more, now it's cool again it's been brought back, I definitely think it needs some sort of change because Hardcore is produced on a global level much more now,
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djDMS
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 13:27:22
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The more I think about it, the more I just think it's better to call it 'Happy Hardcore'.
I won't be, even if everybody else does.
My problem with it (apart from historic reasons of course), is that it'll lead to even more genre separation instead of bringing the scene together.
It'll please the purist Freeform bunch at least, they'll get their separate identify back now.
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 14:52:30
I hated the term 'happy hardcore' in the 90s, and only started using it later to refer to that period of the music. If everyone starts calling the new stuff happy hardcore then fair enough, I don't personally agree with it though, it's no longer happy hardcore, hasn't been for a long time and it seemed the only people who were calling it that now (in this country at least) aren't into the music - they just remember the name.
Just seems a bit like if reggae suddenly started referring to itself as ska, or drum and bass deciding the it should be called jungle.
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Claxton
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 15:00:45
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Originally posted by djDMS:
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Originally posted by Claxton:
The more I think about it, the more I just think it's better to call it 'Happy Hardcore'.
I won't be, even if everybody else does.
My problem with it (apart from historic reasons of course), is that it'll lead to even more genre separation instead of bringing the scene together.
It'll please the purist Freeform bunch at least, they'll get their separate identify back now.
Well that was my initial thought. Stuff like Powerstomp and Marc Smith's music clearly isn't 'Happy'. But what does it matter? It can just come under one umbrella can't it?
UK Hardcore is pretty limiting tbh.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 15:22:57
Yes, I call it Hardcore funnily enough
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Claxton
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 16:20:10
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Yes, I call it Hardcore funnily enough
But then the European scene obviously coins that term. Plus, it's a bigger scene so they have baggsy really.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 16:31:38
Well, of a anything out now, Powerstomp could be considered Happy Hardcore. HU is just to breakbeaty :P
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djDMS
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 17:08:15
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Originally posted by Claxton:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Yes, I call it Hardcore funnily enough
But then the European scene obviously coins that term. Plus, it's a bigger scene so they have baggsy really.
The European scene can suck my plums! Doesn't make any difference to what I think. I, you and plenty of others know the difference so it isn't much of an issue.
There isn't a term that covers all, so shall we go for Fast Dance Music?
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