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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2014/03/04 : 14:17:01
That's absolutely fine, but If we're sticking to what is whose, then you should be saying that Crimea is an Independent Republic. Russia has been asked to come in to keep it that way...
(rightly or wrongly) ;)
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Torpex
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 14:31:07
Autonomous, not independent. Independence = you're a separate country. Crimea (by Soviet and then its own proclamation) is Ukrainian territory. But yeah, it's very complicated and I'd really have to read up about the extent of their autonomy before going into any details.
I'll just repeat that it's pretty miraculous that no shots have yet been fired. Let's hope it stays that way, regardless of the political outcome!
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 14:40:37
ahh you know what I mean :P my only and original point here is that the neutrality of our media in the UK leaves alot to be desired!
Absolutely agree with you! :) I have my fingers crossed for a peaceful outcome!
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 15:07:56
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Originally posted by Torpex:
It's the other way around though Triq, isn't it. If Crimea is like Northern Ireland, then UK = Ukraine, not Russia. Therefore, in your analogy, Ireland would be moving troops into Northern Ireland to "protect the Irish population there". Same goes for the Falklands analogy - it was officially British territory, so again, UK = Ukraine.
qft. Crimea is Ukraine, but has its own government. The people in Crimea are Ukrainian, regardless of ethnic heritage. Russia claims its acting in the interest of people who havent been Russian for over half a century.
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 15:15:13
Yes, if you read the following posts, we went over that.
My point is Russia were asked to intervene by the government of Crimea and that the UK media have been as silent as they can be on that point, not to debate analogies lol.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 15:16:13
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
Yes, if you read the following posts, we went over that.
My point is Russia were asked to intervene by the government of Crimea, not to debate analogies lol.
Looked like you had issues grasping that fact though
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 15:23:02
lol you sure I'm the one with the loose grasp? I thought I'd made it blindingly clear in the response where I said
"true enough!
But if we still look at the analogy and pretend..."
Really, Olly, I can't hold your hand all the time ;)
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 17:33:19
Nice example of what I'm talking about here
Heres the clip the BBC played:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26435744
and heres the full thing
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa2_1393943151
They cut it at exactly the point ("Furthermore, the coverage I've seen of Ukraine has been truly disappointing from all sides of the media spectrum, and ripe with disinformation,")
where she says much more poignant things about the media coverage and more importantly the effects it must be having on the people of Ukraine.
It's exactly editorial choices in the UK media, like that, that she's referring to. She hit the nail on the head with the entire thing I think.
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Edited by - Triquatra on 2014/03/04 17:37:52 |
whispering
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 19:23:03
quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
Nice example of what I'm talking about here
Heres the clip the BBC played:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26435744
and heres the full thing
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa2_1393943151
They cut it at exactly the point ("Furthermore, the coverage I've seen of Ukraine has been truly disappointing from all sides of the media spectrum, and ripe with disinformation,")
where she says much more poignant things about the media coverage and more importantly the effects it must be having on the people of Ukraine.
It's exactly editorial choices in the UK media, like that, that she's referring to. She hit the nail on the head with the entire thing I think.
RT is owned by Russian government. That in mind, i've always found it a very good news source. That either shows how good they are, or how bad the others are.
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 19:39:44
Yes, yes Russia Today are owned by Russia lol
some people are speculating on that thread it's a ruse to try and make the channel seem less "biased"
pretty stupid ruse if it is XD
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 22:32:32
I have no idea what any of this is about and it's the first I've read of it. I also don't care.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/03/05 : 03:32:16
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I have no idea what any of this is about and it's the first I've read of it. I also don't care.
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Posted - 2014/03/05 : 03:39:17
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I have no idea what any of this is about and it's the first I've read of it. I also don't care.
qft
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