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lucificifus
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 Posted - 2006/10/15 : 05:45:36
UPDATE 11.11.07
Ok. SORRY! first of all, I've been sick as a dog and in bed for about 2 weeks. I'm just now getting over this cold, and getting back to coding the site. I will NOT be making the voting deadline of 11.15.06, so again, sorry about that. However, what I will be doing is moving the Mix deadline to Dec. 15. I should be able to keep with the Dec. 15th deadline.
Officially Tallied as Participating!
Production:
Nightforce (Austria)
Rocket Pimp (UK)
Drew Derivative (US)
Slik Styles(UK)
Zero System (US)
DJing:
Nightforce (Austria)
Dain-Ja (CAN)
DJ Underloop vs. DJ DMS (UK)
DJ Leto (US)
Deadlines and Dates
Mix Submittal: December 15th 2006
Track Submittal: December 15th 2006
Mix Voting: December 16th 2006
Track Voting: December 16th 2006
Project Recap
What is this: Core Concepts is an endeavor to put together a single disc album that contains the latest and greatest of the unsung heroes of hardcore: unsigned producers.
How will this work: We will hold contests for the best tracks and best DJ team to mix the album. Those who get the most votes will mix the album, and those tracks that get enough votes will be included on the album
Who can participate: Any material that is both unsigned and unreleased will be accepted into the voting system. DJ's cannot be affiliated with any "major" label in order to participate (Sorry Sy  )
Let's Define "Unsigned"
I'll be frank: If your "underground" enough (God does that sound stupid), and have been signed once or twice, we'll DEFIANTLY accept your tracks! I'll use some examples of people that I (and I'm not the ultimatum, the voters are) think fit the bill: Jakazid, Sean Apollo, Ionosphere, etc.
END ALL BE ALL ULTIMATUM THING:
If you want in, and you're just not sure if you "qualify," just send it in. We're going to let the people decide  . Only qualification is that it has to be unsigned.
Thanks Guys!
Connor // Lucificifus
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Well, that's tag line I came up with, anyway.
The following is hardcore for the people by the people! I would like to organize a 6 "disc" megamix available exclusively online through streaming medium. I am a professional web designer (http://ev01v.com), and J2EE/AS2 developer. I also dabble in hardcore production and have been DJing for 3 years (though I have no talent in that departement) In other words, I have confidence that we can, as a collective, create a great hardcore album!
Current Ideas:
1) Entirely unsigned talent. Quality control will be conducted by peer review. That means polls and contests! That means new producers, and unsigned DJ's. If you're currently on a well-to-do label, save it for Hardcore Euphoria 2! We the people demand new works!
2) Work put on the album will not be MP3/WMA redistributeable, but streamed over Flash Media Server (think YouTube sans "download" option). This means that producers work is protected at a much higher level!
3) No advertising revinue will be collected from this project. I have servers that I am willing to donate.
4) All hardcore styles will be represented! We want everything from hardcore breaks to breakbeat hardcore to breakcore!
If you are interested in contributing original production, or want to DJ, please express interest here, and contact me off-forum if you wish. I am very dedicated to making this happen, and I think that hardcore should have a renewable source of energy. This will engender new hardcore producers, promote new hardcore parties, and in general, SPREAD THE CORE!
Yes. This idea was "started" by Joren, but I did not like the angle he took to it. I wish him the best of luck, but to all the people he turned away/off, there is hope yet
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Xenochrome
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 Posted - 2006/10/15 : 07:52:44
Sounds like a cool idea. I'd be willing to do a mix for it.
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NeXuS
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 09:12:03
Great! Best of luck on this. Too bad I only have vinyl decks or I would love to be of service here.
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 09:37:00
I'd be more than willing to get involved, either on the production, DJing or mastering side. It sounds like a great idea!!!
A couple of queries though.... streaming only? Thats kind of put me off straight away. Most of my listening is done away from the PC - ipod etc. I used to listen alot online back when I had a PC at work, and complete freedom on it, but now I have a UNIX box with no audio.
At home, I am on a flakey 512k connection - alot of YouTube and other streaming audio/video sites end up buffering loads, so I personally, from both a consumer and participant point of view would prefer download to be available.
Second question is, as you are looking to protect downloading it, I am taking it that this will be a pay-per-stream? Do you have a price-model you have in mind for this?
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XenatR
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 14:45:39
streaming? allow that :/
i would be willing to pay good money for the mixes if they were to my taste
and if they were good i would want them on my ipod so i can get satisfaction from my boring trek to work!
oh, and to the potential album djs.. MAKE SURE YOU USE THOSE KILLER OLDSCHOOL PIANO MELODIES!!!!
think 'Back 2 Bass - Beating Of My Heart', 'DJ Seduction - Slammin n Jammin' and 'DJ Storm - Sub Dub (Hardcore Remix)'
DO IT DO IT DO!!!
i wish the project the best of luck, but please.. dont make it streaming :/
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lucificifus
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 15:18:23
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Originally posted by Underloop:
A couple of queries though.... streaming only? Thats kind of put me off straight away. Most of my listening is done away from the PC - ipod etc. I used to listen alot online back when I had a PC at work, and complete freedom on it, but now I have a UNIX box with no audio.
Second question is, as you are looking to protect downloading it, I am taking it that this will be a pay-per-stream? Do you have a price-model you have in mind for this?
I was thinking streaming only to protect potential producers from getting their tracks ripped, but keeping it 100% free. I think that there are other ways to do this as well, but international shipping of CD's is difficult, so in the end...
I don't want to turn away producers because they think they'll be getting their tracks ripped off (free internet distrobution). Here are some options I can think of that should deter piracy:
1) Do you all think that having the tracks sequentially mixed together as a single high quality MP3 is enough of a detterent to prevent piracy?
2) Make the entire album available online over streaming flash radio, and then sell 6 CD sets at-cost (shipping+CD duplication)?
3) Make the entire album available online for free, and then put an anti-piracy audio watermark at the beggining of the first track of each album, just to put some moral support behind the album?
I'm leaning towards #2.
Also, do you think that we can make this album that we can sell it? I like the idea of free, but if it will attract producers, 5-10$ an album + shipping? (We'd get it duped in the UK and distributed by a volunteer member)
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 16:05:20
Only problem with pressing CDs and selling (even at cost) is up-fronting the wonga. If you have some funds behind you, or someone is willing to invest then superb, its a great idea, and the best of the lot!
However, I'd have thought that 1 was a good enough deterrent. Any DJ who would rip a track from mid mix to use inhis own mixes isn't likely to buy the track in the first place anyway.
Even if that was done, you've already stated 100% unsigned, and most unsigned producers would more likely savour the extra promotion than worry too much about losing a couple of quid worth of sales. Pirating hte full mixes is hardly an issue either is it? The downloads are free anyway right?
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2006/10/15 : 17:52:46
Great idea! I suggest some 1990s style Hardcore with hard kicks and bouncy techno infulence! Also some classic style breakbeats would be nice!
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XenatR
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 18:00:22
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
Great idea! I suggest some 1990s style Hardcore with hard kicks and bouncy techno infulence! Also some classic style breakbeats would be nice!
yea :D:D
but dont forget the pianos!!! :D
umm.. i think they should be mixes.. not individual tracks with fade in/out. like a proper dj set
(if thats what you were asking)
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The Deviant
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 18:11:55
I quite like this idea, though there should not be any money involved at all. Like underloop says the promotion will be enough to get new talent interested.
But it could be quite difficult getting 6 CDs worth of decent music, minimum of 60 tracks from newbie producers. Perhaps an on going series.
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Samination
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 18:58:27
#2 sounds the best, because watermarks arent hard to remove
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milo
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 20:48:36
Sounds like a really neat project - from my understanding you just want 6 djs to mix a bunch of unsigned new producer tracks yah? Time permitting i'd be willing to jump in there somehwere but just a few things i've learned in my experiences:
1) Do you all think that having the tracks sequentially mixed together as a single high quality MP3 is enough of a detterent to prevent piracy?
-> No - a little crafty editting and you've got a fully playable track on your hands in 5 minutes - quite unfortunate. I've even seen people play 2.5 minute clips @ 64kbps too.
2) Make the entire album available online over streaming flash radio, and then sell 6 CD sets at-cost (shipping+CD duplication)?
Again, stream ripping is now available at the click of a button so I don't think that would deter anyone who wanted it. Also as Mr. Loop said it takes out the portability of the mix which is a big draw back considering the amount of effort that would go into such a great project.
3) Make the entire album available online for free, and then put an anti-piracy audio watermark at the beggining of the first track of each album, just to put some moral support behind the album?
Again, if they wanted it, editing it out is not a problem unfortunately.
We've toyed with this idea at NAHM about releasing a CD independently. The cost factor in pressing alone + mechanical royalties associated with it requires a whack of capital. also, getting material for the album that is up to par - especially for 6 CDs (that's at minimum 84 tracks) is a challenge. You might be better off starting out as a single or double cd idea and work up from there. it'll help save on your costs too.
as far as the material goes - getting unsigned stuff is a mixed blessing for the producers you are targetting. for those who are running their own labels it would be a huge help with exposure, but those with tracks wanting to sign them onto bigger labels would be screwed as few labels are interested in signing material that has already been made publically available.
It's an awesome idea and i hope this didn't come off too negative. I think it is Leto that has been releasing mixes made of digital only tracks which is really cool and a i think a step towards the direction you are after.
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lucificifus
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 21:16:41
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But it could be quite difficult getting 6 CDs worth of decent music, minimum of 60 tracks from newbie producers. Perhaps an on going series.
@ Deviant: Ongoing series sounds ace! Both you and Milo are right. 60-84 tracks may be far to hefty and would delay the project greatly.
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I quite like this idea, though there should not be any money involved at all. Like underloop says the promotion will be enough to get new talent interested.
@ Deviant Again: Yes. I agree, my original intent was a non-profit one.
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Only problem with pressing CDs and selling (even at cost) is up-fronting the wonga. If you have some funds behind you, or someone is willing to invest then superb, its a great idea, and the best of the lot!
@ Underloop: I am willing to front 100$ USD for duplication via Discmakers if we can all agree on volume etc.
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Quote: $304.00*
* 100 units at $3.04/unit
* Next price break : 300 units
Project Summary
* Full Color CD
* Standard Jewel
* 2-Panel+Tray Card
* 5-day Value
* Excludes shipping
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You might be better off starting out as a single or double cd idea and work up from there. it'll help save on your costs too.
@ Milo: Double CD is the new goal. As far as audio piracy goes, there is no such thing as 100% risk free. Only risk mitigation. This is why if we release this over Flash Media Server (Red5, actually), the majority of the Rankinesque pirates would be too inept to figure out how to effectively record the sound. We, as more or less proficient audio engineers, have no problem, as we have the external equipment. However, since they cannot use programs like StreamRiper (like one would do on an MP3 stream)... well, its a major hassle, that's all I'm saying. They'll get the song they want one way or another, thats for sure, but it will still be a roadblock :)
And I think we can still have more than 2 DJ's for the project. Prehaps B2B sets, or 30 minute sets on 2 discs?
Thanks for all the feedback so far! I've begun work on a website, tell me what you think (its a bit bland atm ^^) http://ev01v.com/coreconcepts/
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 21:52:14
Great idea Lucy, i'd like to be involved in some way.
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 22:19:18
Give us a shout if we can be of any use.
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Sk8SiM
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Posted - 2006/10/15 : 23:24:12
You can stream 128kbps Mp3s over Flash, that stream fairly fast evan with a low internet connection... It just takes someone with a bit of Flash Actionscripting Knowlegde  and Mp3's are low in file size as it is!
As for ripping flash? Hummm, Unless you have an output from your PC to a mixer and mabie a booth output from your mixer to PC... Then theres no chance of ripping a flash file mate...
And besides ^^^ if someone did have a mixer that could do such a thing (££££££!!!) Then they ofcource must be in the music buss themselfs... Therefore, are capable of making there own music... but more importently, as with anyone who is passanate about music production (i hope so anyways) KNOW THE LAW OF PIRACY, And also more importently know themselfs how important your own work is!
Therefore, I'm not saying its not possable, but the point is, the CHANCES of someone ripping a flash file is EXREMLY more unlikly then say, if you just handed out an MP3...
And besides, for someone to go to ALL THAT EFFORT! For some "unsinged stuff! Would be a bit pathetic, and once again, unlikly!
Thefore, FLASH ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!
Funnyly enough its the same way I'm exposing my stuff in the coming months
As for the project, I'm game... this one sounds great!
100% Unsigned Stuff!!!! - ohhh yes - going back to the underground baby!
Hey, mabie we could start our own "scene" *cough* 
However what milo said about "Labels, want stuff that hasn't been herd of before" has made me sit back a bit...
I've worked tooo hard on my best tracks for a label to reject them for a reason as pathetic as "Oh its already been herd of"
Rejecting it cuse its shit, would be fair enough! But for f*cks sake ^^^ NOT THAT!!!! lol
So if i do, I'll most likly have to cook up some other tracks for ya
But never the less, i'll help out 
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