quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
AVEX did not invent Eurobeat (Para Para is the name of the dance you refer to, not the music genre, which is named Eurobeat). They simply took over the Eurobeat market.
Never said avex invented it, Para Para and Eurobeat are different genres, they sound similar but they are different.
Para Para the name, made up by avex, just the same they made up the word cybertrance for german trance in Japan. But the difference is avex self produced 90% of the Para Para tracks themselves or had them made for them for a fixed fee, nothing licensed just 100% their own material.
There are other Eurobeat and Eurodance compilations released here, they have some Para Para crossover but mainly contain licenses and self produced tracks.
Jackol Senior Member
United States
443 posts Joined: Nov, 2008
Posted - 2008/11/25 : 05:50:45
quote:Originally posted by silver:
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
AVEX did not invent Eurobeat (Para Para is the name of the dance you refer to, not the music genre, which is named Eurobeat). They simply took over the Eurobeat market.
Never said avex invented it, Para Para and Eurobeat are different genres, they sound similar but they are different.
Para Para the name, made up by avex, just the same they made up the word cybertrance for german trance in Japan. But the difference is avex self produced 90% of the Para Para tracks themselves or had them made for them for a fixed fee, nothing licensed just 100% their own material.
There are other Eurobeat and Eurodance compilations released here, they have some Para Para crossover but mainly contain licenses and self produced tracks.
Examples of Para Para:
ahahahhaha!
that first vid song is intense!
reminds me of DDR.
MAtRiCks Advanced Member
Canada
1,059 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2008/11/25 : 06:56:55
quote:Originally posted by silver:
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
AVEX did not invent Eurobeat (Para Para is the name of the dance you refer to, not the music genre, which is named Eurobeat). They simply took over the Eurobeat market.
Never said avex invented it, Para Para and Eurobeat are different genres, they sound similar but they are different.
Para Para the name, made up by avex, just the same they made up the word cybertrance for german trance in Japan. But the difference is avex self produced 90% of the Para Para tracks themselves or had them made for them for a fixed fee, nothing licensed just 100% their own material.
There are other Eurobeat and Eurodance compilations released here, they have some Para Para crossover but mainly contain licenses and self produced tracks.
Oh man... You live in Japan, you should know this! :P
There is no such thing as a Para Para music genre. Para Para is a dance style danced specifically to Eurobeat, just like Line-Dancing is to Country music! Para Para dancing history actually goes back farther than Avex's Eurobeat liscencing history, so no, Avex did not invent Para Para Either. All they did was jump on the Eurobeat/Para Para trend when it was blooming in the early 90's and commercialise it.
Avex is kinda to Eurobeat what AATW is to Hardcore! They don't make Eurobeat, but they do pay Italian labels to liscence their material, and they do pay choreographers/dancers to hold Para Para events at their clubs.
Trust me on this, Eurobeat artists/producers on labels like Time, Delta and A-Beat-C have been making that kind of music ever since the 80's, and Avex did not teach them how to do so! :P
And by the way, Hinoi Team are nothing but a lame side-product of Eurobeat, not a good example of it.
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Oh man... You live in Japan, you should know this! :P
Sorry dude, going to have to overrule you here, I do live in Japan and work in the music industry in Japan for a long time, Para Para is a genre in Japan, I know the top management at avex personally, it is NOT just a name of the dance, Para Para music involves dancing and you dance "para para" style but it is most certainly a genre of music. If you can read Japanese look at the third video I posted it same "para para version" ala para para remix...
Why do you think they made the new genres TechPara and TraPara, because TechPara is danced to Techno music (what we would call early dance music) and TraPara is danced to cybertrance (what we would call german trance).
MAtRiCks Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - 2008/11/25 : 15:23:11
quote:Originally posted by silver:
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Oh man... You live in Japan, you should know this! :P
Sorry dude, going to have to overrule you here, I do live in Japan and work in the music industry in Japan for a long time, Para Para is a genre in Japan, I know the top management at avex personally, it is NOT just a name of the dance, Para Para music involves dancing and you dance "para para" style but it is most certainly a genre of music. If you can read Japanese look at the third video I posted it same "para para version" ala para para remix...
Why do you think they made the new genres TechPara and TraPara, because TechPara is danced to Techno music (what we would call early dance music) and TraPara is danced to cybertrance (what we would call german trance).
Look, if you want to see where i'm coming from, I really suggest you visit: www.eurobeat-prime.com/history.php
The information on this website has been partially contributed by the some of the Artists that make Eurobeat in the first place. If the information in the history section doesn't answer all your questions, your welcome to visit the Boards and ask away! A lot of the main Italian Eurobeat producers part take to the forum discussions and will be pleased to enlighten you about the Eurobeat industry.
If you want to know more about Para Para dancing, and also understand why it's closely related to Eurobeat music, I suggest you read this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para_para
I haven't made those researches yesterday, I've been listening to the genre for 8 years now. I doubt i've been misnaming it all that time. I must admit it can be confusing at first, but it's really simple in the end, since the genre is't that big anymore.
MAtRiCks Advanced Member
Canada
1,059 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2008/11/25 : 15:32:26
quote:Originally posted by silver:
Why do you think they made the new genres TechPara and TraPara, because TechPara is danced to Techno music (what we would call early dance music) and TraPara is danced to cybertrance (what we would call german trance).
Once again, AVEX did not 'make' Hyper Techno, to which Japanese people dance Tech Para! Same phenomenon as Eurobeat, just slightly more underground.
Jackol Senior Member
United States
443 posts Joined: Nov, 2008
Posted - 2008/11/25 : 17:30:26
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:Originally posted by silver:
Why do you think they made the new genres TechPara and TraPara, because TechPara is danced to Techno music (what we would call early dance music) and TraPara is danced to cybertrance (what we would call german trance).
Once again, AVEX did not 'make' Hyper Techno, to which Japanese people dance Tech Para! Same phenomenon as Eurobeat, just slightly more underground.
i think its probably safe to say that different people who were a part of the scene have different views on the subject.
you will probably get different info depending on who you talk to.
whispering Moderator
Finland
8,452 posts Joined: Nov, 2002
Posted - 2008/11/25 : 17:45:06
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
I haven't made those researches yesterday, I've been listening to the genre for 8 years now. I doubt i've been misnaming it all that time. I must admit it can be confusing at first, but it's really simple in the end, since the genre is't that big anymore.
Agree with Jackol, if the Italians call it Eurobeat and you call it Eurobeat, then it must be Eurobeat for you. But you cant force a whole nation to use the same genre name as you do. I dont think either one of you are wrong.
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JAKAZiD Junior Member
United Kingdom
80 posts Joined: Dec, 2005
Posted - 2008/11/25 : 18:21:28
Have to agree with MAtRiCks on this. Para para, trapara and techpara are kinds of dances, para para generally being a popular Japanese dance style generally done to Eurobeat. avex never invented it; they just capitalised on it with things like their prolific Super Eurobeat series (which was nearly on volume no.200 last time I checked!) and their corresponding events at the now defunct Velfarre. Italo disco was the predecessor to eurobeat and was much slower, and unlike eurobeat _actually popular_ in its country of origin. My half-Italian friend who is a massive fan of eurobeat can vouch for me that eurobeat never really held much fire in Italy, not like the massive boom in Japan. However, if you look at the credits for any of the Super Eurobeat albums, you will see that most of the tracks are licensed from Italian producers.
When eurobeat was really in its heydey, J-pop tried to adapt the style into commercial music, as well as having eurobeat remixes commissioned for chart-topping artists such as Ayumi Hamasaki. The only real difference between general Japanese eurobeat and the eurobeat produced by Italian guys is that the Japanese stuff tends to sound a bit more like J-pop vocally.
Anyway in fear of de-railing this thread any further that's the last I will say on the matter of eurobeat. :)
Densetsu13 New Member
Canada
29 posts Joined: Oct, 2006
Posted - 2008/11/25 : 18:57:09
quote:Originally posted by silver:
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Oh man... You live in Japan, you should know this! :P
Sorry dude, going to have to overrule you here, I do live in Japan and work in the music industry in Japan for a long time, Para Para is a genre in Japan, I know the top management at avex personally, it is NOT just a name of the dance, Para Para music involves dancing and you dance "para para" style but it is most certainly a genre of music. If you can read Japanese look at the third video I posted it same "para para version" ala para para remix...
For the majority of their singles the Hinoi team would have two music videos. One for the song itself which would be played on TV and another that would be released on the extra DVD of their singles. This extra video was called the Para Para Version because it's simply them doing the routine for whatever song they were hacking at the moment =P
Silver, I respect that you live in Japan, work in the music industry and whatnot but Eurobeat as a genre and Para Para are the only things I follow more closely and love more than Hardcore. I spend hundreds a year on Eurobeat and Para related media, it's my main hobby. If you speak to people that actually follow this they would all tell you the same thing. I apologize for contributing to the derailing of this thread though. I usually lurk but I had to speak up on this subject.
Posted - 2008/11/26 : 03:04:00
Well seems your stuck in your way, I know what I know and you can disagree with me thats cool, but I'm speaking from years of experience and working with the people and top management of the companies involved and not what I am reading on the internet or what I heard from a friend.
I've found many times someone says something and 50 people repeat it and it becomes the information on the subject or a wikipedia article. I simple don't agree with what you say because I have lived it and worked in it. You're welcome to whatever you think but this is what I know.
whispering Moderator
Finland
8,452 posts Joined: Nov, 2002
Posted - 2008/11/26 : 05:44:51
Since were talking correct genre names, id like to point out that there is no such thing as J-Core. If you shorten Japanese Hardcore its J-Hardcore. But even that means its Hardcore by Japanese, not a genre name. There is also no such thing as J-Euro (unless you actually mean Japanese European) ...and can someone say to the Brits that Scouse House is not a genre.
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