redwingz Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,483 posts Joined: Jan, 2005
Posted - 2011/08/03 : 17:05:18
quote:Originally posted by JayHH86:
quote:Originally posted by redwingz:
I wont be buying it, in fact HU is probably the only hardcore album I will bother with. This is the type of album that makes me tired and bored of hardcore and why Im losing any passion for it. Totally self-indulgent tracklists, tracks by themselves released on labels owned by themselves to ensure they get 100% of the money. Hardcore is definitely becoming like a money grabbing exercise, its like they thought 'This could be our only chance to mix an album with the way the scene is going, lets pack it with out own stuff and pull them advances, publishing and royalty cheques in!'
I appreciate what you're saying Craig, but if it was you in their position, would you really do it any different? You've been asked to do a mix for this album. You've been asked for a reason. That reason is because the people behind the album want to bring your sound/style/selection to one mix on the album. Despite your popularity within the scene, you're barely making any money. So, you wouldn't take the opportunity to saturate your mix on the album with material from you as artists, and other artists on your label?
I don't want to get into this "Hardcore's a business, and when there's very little money to go around anyway..." discussion. Everyone's read more than enough posts about it. And besides, you run a label and probably know, substantially, more about it all than me. But I don't understand this bizarre attitude towards the more successful artists, where they are expected to just step aside and let others get involved, or actively encourage and promote their own competition. No one does that when they are working their way up at the beginning - then, it's all self promotion, self promotion. But now someone suddenly becomes successful - they're seen as some kind of inconsiderate, money grabbing wanker for looking out for themselves and pushing their own material. Fine - in the form of a tracklist like this, it does look self indulgent, as you say, but that is only a bad thing if the tunes turn out to be shit.
I haven't heard something like 80% of that tracklist, maybe even more - so I'm not going to come out and say it looks terrible. Equally, I can't say it looks amazing either. I'll have to buy it and listen. Am I pissed off these are essentially showcase mixes? Not especially, no. There hasn't been a Dougal & Gammer mix/CD for a long while, some of Sy & Technikore's collabs have been enjoyable, and I've always liked the Quosh sound in general. Despite some remixes I reckon are unnecessary, the Lethal Theory mix will be a decent change of pace.
If this CD was the only, or one of two albums, coming out this year - would I be pissed off at the lack of variation, artist-wise? Yes. I would. But there is so much stuff available these days it's unreal. It's no wonder people are jumping at the chance to push their own stuff, with so much else out there. There's a 3CD Lethal Theory album on the way, there's HU5, there's HTID 4 (probably), the usual Clubland X-Treme at Christmas, Trackmaster Music have got a label album coming out, NSR yourselves released an album earlier this year - same goes for Thumpa with Die Another Day.
I think there's just such a massive selection of tunage out there, and I find it difficult to get pissed off, and be dismissive, about the tracklisting on one album.
Yeah i fully understand your point and in their position, I probably wouldnt do it heaps different. I would probably include more of my label productions from other artists than my own work.
As for riches....dont you worry about people like Sy and Dougal, they are both doing alright with or without this album ;)
What has gone down on Ush though about this album is quite interesting with Joey Riot and Kurt getting into a slagging match with the forum and the like.
Warnman Advanced Member
Germany
2,676 posts Joined: Jun, 2010
Posted - 2011/08/03 : 21:57:09
quote:Originally posted by redwingz:
What has gone down on Ush though about this album is quite interesting with Joey Riot and Kurt getting into a slagging match with the forum and the like.
That was the only mistake they have done...
I only can repeat what someone else on USH has written before:"Where are Dougal & Gammer and Sy & Unknown?"
I know a lot of Riot & Kurt's tracks are used in their part of the CD, but you simply can't blame them to be the only persons, who are available.
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latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2011/08/03 : 22:27:51
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
quote:Originally posted by redwingz:
What has gone down on Ush though about this album is quite interesting with Joey Riot and Kurt getting into a slagging match with the forum and the like.
That was the only mistake they have done...
I only can repeat what someone else on USH has written before:"Where are Dougal & Gammer and Sy & Unknown?"
I know a lot of Riot & Kurt's tracks are used in their part of the CD, but you simply can't blame them to be the only persons, who are available.
i find it hilarious that those arseholes are bitching about it over on USH. they complain on a daily basis that the bigname producers are detached from the online community and fans and they are rarely acknowledged. Joey Riot has always posted both here and on USH, and it's mostly been positive. But when someone comes and defend themselves, it gets these animals even more riled up.
seriously those douchebags at USH don't know what they want, and their sole purpose is to make everyone miserable and spew such negative crap. it may be an 'honest' site, but it certainly is also a negative and depressing one too.
now personally I can see why ppl are getting mad at both Joey & Kurt b/c their posts are a little bit douchebaggy, BUT seriously how much more hate can one take before just finally getting fed up with it and just letting it all out. it's not that dougal, gammer, sy & unknown are more 'professional' in handling the situation. most likely, it's that they don't give a shit to what ppl have to say about it, and also don't waste their time to know what the online community actually thinks. I know I don't care what they have to say over at USH as no one who posts there exclusively have anything worth reading.
Craigavon raver Advanced Member
Ireland
2,207 posts Joined: Sep, 2007
Posted - 2011/08/07 : 15:42:18
If this was being released a few years ago i would be absolutly buzzing my tits of not so much so this time but i was still kind of intriged when i seen it
I also havn't heard a single track on the cd either so i reckon i'll buy this as ain't much seems to be coming out,plus havn't bought anything with these on it in ages,but thats prob a good thing
warped_candykid Advanced Member
United States
3,938 posts Joined: Jan, 2004
Posted - 2011/08/13 : 16:16:30
Joey says this is a 1996 Scott Brown classic called "Don't You Worry", but I have the original version of this track listed as Q-Tex-Get On Up, I can't find a Scott Brown-"Don't You Worry."
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2011/08/14 : 04:03:19
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by The Doc:
If anyone likes to buy download versions of albums (not me) its only 5.99 on play.com!
Still not worth it imo
How is this different than Hardcore Euphoria? Hardcore Euphoria was a pretty stompin' album, so I'm looking forward to this album.
my thoughts exactly. I'll definitely make a decision after I hear a proper preview of this album if i'll purchase it. would be awesome if they did a mixed & unmixed & dj friendly bundle!
New Hardcore Heaven CD - tracklist
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Posted - 2011/08/03 : 17:05:18
not so much so this time but i was still kind of intriged when i seen it 
