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acidfluxxbass
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 Posted - 2011/08/09 : 21:14:35
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Ahh, forgot to mention - HappyHardcore.com Forums League is up and running. If anyone is interested, this is the pin:
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Not excpecting many people. Was just in case anyone fancied it.
Assume this is through the sun?
nah man Fantasy league - Premier League
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Posted - 2011/08/09 : 21:18:59
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
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Originally posted by JayHH86:
Ahh, forgot to mention - HappyHardcore.com Forums League is up and running. If anyone is interested, this is the pin:
361443-292468
Not excpecting many people. Was just in case anyone fancied it.
Assume this is through the sun?
nah man Fantasy league - Premier League
Oh right,might join if i remember and get a chance to lol
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Posted - 2011/08/09 : 22:14:45
If you permit the opinion of a foreigner, just let me leave my two pences here.
I think there probably is no more boring top-league than the English PL. It's not the player's or team's quality. They look very good on the papers.
It simply is sterile, emotionless, lacks of true passion and everything that stands for football in my point of view. Only a playground for a bunch of a**holes, who better should have spend 40 pounds for a football manager game than buying real life football teams. And of course I am disgusted by the mistreatment of real supporters, who are banned off the stadiums by punishments and high prices, only for being emotional and cheer for their team all the time. No Rooney, no Ferguson should ever be able to be a represtentof a team. Players and coaches/managers fluctuate and become history with the time. It's the single supporter, who still is visiting his favorite team after decades.
My respect to all the supporters, who don't care about big names and titles, when the club's or league's development is going into the wrong direction (f. e. FC United of Manchester and AFC Wimbledon).
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Posted - 2011/08/09 : 23:01:40
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
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Originally posted by JayHH86:
Ahh, forgot to mention - HappyHardcore.com Forums League is up and running. If anyone is interested, this is the pin:
361443-292468
Not excpecting many people. Was just in case anyone fancied it.
Assume this is through the sun?
nah man Fantasy league - Premier League
Oh right,might join if i remember and get a chance to lol
well theres just the 2 of us atm, so to make it interesting would appreciate it lol!
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Posted - 2011/08/12 : 12:36:49
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i hope english teams will stop takin all of scotlands top young players n let the spl get a little better coz im gettin sick of the english premier league bein called the best league in the worl when it clearly aint how many spanish players (best team in the world) play in england? 2 maybe 3 yes u have rooney lampard n all those other overpaid idiots but when it cums dwn to real quality la liga walks all over the barclays premiere league if u dnt have world cup winning players playing for all the big teams then u cnt say ur league is the best imo
rite this is my cuzins work a dnt think that at all i'll watch any game of football tbh coz i only have freeview so i dnt get to watch a lot of football apart from the odd championship game n motd & sportscene etc as lng as a ball is gettin kicked around i will watch it
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Posted - 2011/08/12 : 14:39:12
Which league is best is based on Statistic. Tbh I think the Spanish league is ****ing horrible.
Each teams tempo is slow, play a patient passing game, and play for every foul.
The English PL is fast paced, quicker, and more often than not a beautiful game. You dont get the time to stand on the ball and wait for assistance, because thats when you get your legs broken, as Eduardo Silva found out Vs Birmingham those years ago.
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Posted - 2011/08/13 : 23:46:50
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Which league is best is based on Statistic. Tbh I think the Spanish league is ****ing horrible.
Each teams tempo is slow, play a patient passing game, and play for every foul.
The English PL is fast paced, quicker, and more often than not a beautiful game. You dont get the time to stand on the ball and wait for assistance, because thats when you get your legs broken, as Eduardo Silva found out Vs Birmingham those years ago.
correct! its why Mourinho went "prem" against Barcelona in the semi of the champs league last year, and it almost came off without a few very dubious decisions! Let spanish teams play their way and they will win, get into them (Italy 2 Spain 1 the other day springs to mind) and they have no plan B, I really think if Chelsea got to the final last year and not Utd then they would have beaten Barcelona!
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Posted - 2011/08/14 : 00:10:35
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You dont get the time to stand on the ball and wait for assistance, because thats when you get your legs broken, as Eduardo Silva found out Vs Birmingham those years ago.
That was a bad challenge, there was nothing Eduardo could of done to prevent it.
I see footballers in the Premier League stand on the ball many many many times and they don't get their legs broke for it.
All players try and get as much as they can out of any kind of contact. You can't single out an entire league for it especially when English clubs do it just as much as any Spanish or Italian club.
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Posted - 2011/08/14 : 00:33:07
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
You dont get the time to stand on the ball and wait for assistance, because thats when you get your legs broken, as Eduardo Silva found out Vs Birmingham those years ago.
That was a bad challenge, there was nothing Eduardo could of done to prevent it.
I see footballers in the Premier League stand on the ball many many many times and they don't get their legs broke for it.
All players try and get as much as they can out of any kind of contact. You can't single out an entire league for it especially when English clubs do it just as much as any Spanish or Italian club.
Have you sat through an average Italian or Spanish leage game?? I'll say it again, the tempo is far slower, the game is broken down because each team plays for every foul, and those are the underlying reason their leagues have less goals than ours on average. Yes you get players like that in the Premier League, but not nearly as much, because they are diluted with players that normally dont do it. You see gradually that players who are notorious for it tend to grow out of it. Managers in England generally dont like it. They prefer faster passages of play, naturally. What gain or knowledge of the opposition do you get when your team works the line, or works the system to get free kicks and other players sent off? We saw allot of it in ARSvNEW and it ended 0-0. No surprise.
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Posted - 2011/08/14 : 01:47:03
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
You dont get the time to stand on the ball and wait for assistance, because thats when you get your legs broken, as Eduardo Silva found out Vs Birmingham those years ago.
That was a bad challenge, there was nothing Eduardo could of done to prevent it.
I see footballers in the Premier League stand on the ball many many many times and they don't get their legs broke for it.
All players try and get as much as they can out of any kind of contact. You can't single out an entire league for it especially when English clubs do it just as much as any Spanish or Italian club.
Have you sat through an average Italian or Spanish leage game?? I'll say it again, the tempo is far slower, the game is broken down because each team plays for every foul, and those are the underlying reason their leagues have less goals than ours on average. Yes you get players like that in the Premier League, but not nearly as much, because they are diluted with players that normally dont do it. You see gradually that players who are notorious for it tend to grow out of it. Managers in England generally dont like it. They prefer faster passages of play, naturally. What gain or knowledge of the opposition do you get when your team works the line, or works the system to get free kicks and other players sent off? We saw allot of it in ARSvNEW and it ended 0-0. No surprise.
I watch a lot of football from all countries and leagues and I wouldn't say that one league is better than another. The tempo is slower in some leagues but personally, I don't think it makes it any more boring to watch. England has just as many divers and people who play up to the ref just as much as Spain or Italy or any other country. There isn't a huge gap in goals on average scored, England is the highest but that's down to the teams that play there. It's got nothing to do with the pace of the game at all. In the end it all comes down to tactics. It varies in every league. Having a fast tempo in Italy won't really work. Spain has plenty of teams with a fast tempo. Ligue 1 and the Bundesliga as a whole (not just a particular team/teams) is very exciting to watch.
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Posted - 2011/08/14 : 05:51:14
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Originally posted by JustIncredible:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
You dont get the time to stand on the ball and wait for assistance, because thats when you get your legs broken, as Eduardo Silva found out Vs Birmingham those years ago.
That was a bad challenge, there was nothing Eduardo could of done to prevent it.
I see footballers in the Premier League stand on the ball many many many times and they don't get their legs broke for it.
All players try and get as much as they can out of any kind of contact. You can't single out an entire league for it especially when English clubs do it just as much as any Spanish or Italian club.
Have you sat through an average Italian or Spanish leage game?? I'll say it again, the tempo is far slower, the game is broken down because each team plays for every foul, and those are the underlying reason their leagues have less goals than ours on average. Yes you get players like that in the Premier League, but not nearly as much, because they are diluted with players that normally dont do it. You see gradually that players who are notorious for it tend to grow out of it. Managers in England generally dont like it. They prefer faster passages of play, naturally. What gain or knowledge of the opposition do you get when your team works the line, or works the system to get free kicks and other players sent off? We saw allot of it in ARSvNEW and it ended 0-0. No surprise.
I watch a lot of football from all countries and leagues and I wouldn't say that one league is better than another. The tempo is slower in some leagues but personally, I don't think it makes it any more boring to watch. England has just as many divers and people who play up to the ref just as much as Spain or Italy or any other country. There isn't a huge gap in goals on average scored, England is the highest but that's down to the teams that play there. It's got nothing to do with the pace of the game at all. In the end it all comes down to tactics. It varies in every league. Having a fast tempo in Italy won't really work. Spain has plenty of teams with a fast tempo. Ligue 1 and the Bundesliga as a whole (not just a particular team/teams) is very exciting to watch.
Hmm, well I maintain my opinion that tempo is the big difference between leagues. You always hear about players being flop transfers when they move to the UK because they cant keep up in the game. Taarabt yesterday struggled hugely with the shortened time he was allowed on the ball. I watched a live stream of the Newcastle and Arsenal game and when it finished, it switched to a stream of Braga vs Rio Ave, and the game was completely different. Each player had time on the ball, the movement was less, and not once did I see an overlap from either team. Ive watched live games from all over the shop, and largely its the same case. The formations are rigid lines.
In fact, its the big reason Barcalon beat Manchester United. Barcelona played a very low paced passing game. Their formation allowed for networks of 3 players always to have passing options and space. Manchester United being fast tempo would try to get the ball back quickly and close down each Barcelona player. As Barca would pass it across the midfield line, they would draw Manchester United players out and break down the midfield and defence, and eventually they'd exploit a hole and make an opportunity. When they see a gap, they switch to a very fast one touch finishing move. They did the same against Arsenal, and they couldnt cope.
I often see Manchester United try and play a very fast game from the back of the pitch all the way to infront of goal. Against Barcelona, their game was riddled with mistakes. They'd try and play a fast one touch game and gat forward with more haste than impotence and they'd give the ball away because there would be a lack of understanding between the players. Midfield play would be fast and rushed and mistakes made that allowed Barcelona possession, which they are so so clinical with. On the other hand however, their faster style of play would work. Against Manchester City they made a sweeping move that allowed Nani to score a lushious goal. Rooney, Cleverly and Nani all had one touch until the finish.
Spanish teams have recognised Barcelona's slow paced tactic. Real Madrid often use it, though to less effect. You could see that both teams seemed to cancel each other out in the numerous times they played yesterseason. It would come down to playing for fouls to edge closer to goal or have an kind of opportunity. Its more or less the same across that league. Each team see's the advantage of a slower game. Italy is pretty much the same, though less clinical. Their passing game a bit messier, a bit more wing-based. The formations they use out there make for more varied games, though the tempo is still less. Perhaps thats why the Milano teams struggled against Tottenham last year. Tottenham are good and quick passers of the ball, and can change their style rapidly. Casual passing can turn to a winger running at you in seconds. Next thing you know, Gareth Bale has run clear of the midfield pack into a goalscoring opportunity, or Ekotto is looping in a diagonal ball for Crouch to fumble in. On a whole Italys styles are more diverse, the English game is less diverse. Thats probably the underlying reason for the tempo change. Norwich yesterday were having allot of trouble adjusting. De Laet and a couple of other defenders were often caught in possession, and conceded a peno at one time because of it.
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Posted - 2011/08/14 : 18:11:18
The English league is just a more physical but technically inferior one. The only reason it's the most competitive in the world is due to the money involved and nothing more. If that ever goes, we'll really be exposed at the backward footballing nation that we are. Well, unless we sort our footballing culture and youth system out anyway...
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Posted - 2011/08/15 : 15:57:21
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i hope english teams will stop takin all of scotlands top young players n let the spl get a little better coz im gettin sick of the english premier league bein called the best league in the worl when it clearly aint how many spanish players (best team in the world) play in england? 2 maybe 3 yes u have rooney lampard n all those other overpaid idiots but when it cums dwn to real quality la liga walks all over the barclays premiere league if u dnt have world cup winning players playing for all the big teams then u cnt say ur league is the best imo
Coming from Scotland myself, I'd much rather see our better players moving south. The calibre of opponents is better, they'll develop themselves by playing with better players and this can only benefit the national team.
The standard of the SPL is shocking, though much of this is to do with the lack of money in the league. However, this has lead to teams putting more emphasis on developing their younger players, and this is the reason we have a few young Scottish players in the premiership and a few who are tipped to achieve good things in their career. The transfer fees involved also help to relieve the financial pressure on SPL sides who are suffering from years of overspending. I realise Premiership clubs are up to their eye balls in debt too, but they have more valuable assets to cover it.
As for the Premier League v La Liga debate, it's an interesting one. My impressions are that Barcelona and Real Madrid are better than the Premiership's big 5. However, the big 5 are better than the 3rd-5th best teams La Liga has to offer. The mid table is probably a muchness, and La Liga's no-hope clubs are better than the likes of Swansea, Wigan and QPR.
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Posted - 2011/08/18 : 17:40:57
Never mind the english and spanish leagues
The irish leagues were its at,the best league in the world  
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Posted - 2011/08/18 : 18:31:57
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Never mind the english and spanish leagues
The irish leagues were its at,the best league in the world
I beat my mate on FIFA with St Patricks
He was ****ing Inter :D
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