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Backmasker
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 Posted - 2012/07/04 : 18:37:38
I've noticed recently that some people are being criticized for releasing Hardcore music that is not "Hardcore".
I'm wondering when you as listeners, players, producers and purchasers of Hardcore music think a tune stops becoming hardcore. Is there a particular tempo that is too slow or to fast ? Is there a sound or instrument that should never be used? Can you think of any examples of when a producer has taken the influences from another scene and pushed it so far that their music is not what they think it is?
Be nice, this could be a good debate.
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Quicksilver
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Posted - 2012/07/04 : 18:58:53
Personally, to me it's about the bass (which also seems to relate to the kick). When it becomes like the vast majority of the tunes on CXH8, I don't consider much of it hardcore anymore even though I might still like the tunes (don't care what the genre of the song I'm listening to is, if I like it I like it). In other words, softer kick and a longer, less sharp bass.
I think in short words, when it loses the distinct, stabby "kick - bass - kick - bass"-rhythm, then it doesn't sound like hardcore anymore.
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jenks
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Posted - 2012/07/04 : 19:39:51
I think at this point the defining feature of hardcore is pretty much just the BPM.
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Kebab Head
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Posted - 2012/07/04 : 20:31:34
Hardcore doesn't even have a definitive definition to start with... Never mind where does it stop..
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Breakbeat Jon
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Posted - 2012/07/04 : 20:51:45
Hardcore has always been about taking bits of other dance music and chucking them together at a faster speed. From the early 90s taking hip hop, house, techno and reggae, throwing together sped up, to the early naughties, with it's trance and hard dance influences, to the electro, dub step influences currently being produced.
You've also got the hardcore breaks stuff that produced at 140-150bpm, but in keeping with the 91-93 sound. I still consider that hardcore.
At the risk of sounding cliched, if the musics good, it doesn't matter what it's called.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2012/07/04 : 21:15:12
I guess it all stems from BPM - if its around 170BPM I would say its hardcore...after that its down to how the beats are broken down (if its a 4beat track...or a breakbeat driven track..dependent on kicks used and drum patterns)...but I would say BPM is probably the starting point.
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Skidzorz
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Posted - 2012/07/04 : 21:17:04
I dunno, I consider the the intro track to Luna-C's Supaset 12 (disc 2 of the free Breaking Free album (Twin Time - The Beat Shook) to be hardcore, though definitely trying to sound like a tune released in the 90's, but from the people I've talked to I seem to be alone in this opinion. Genre's are very subjective as is the music. The whole DNA dnb/bbhc set fiasco at Slammin Vinyl is a perfect example of this.. looking back at that old thread, nobody could agree on which tracks were dnb and which were bbhc. I can't remember which track it was (I'd like to say either Chime or Can You Hear The Silence), but I remember CDJay saying that one of their bbhc (or at least very distinctively bbhc to any hardcore fan) tracks was topping the dnb section at either Beatport or Trackitdown for a little while.
CXH8, though very different from the upfront hardcore everyone is used to, is still very much hardcore. Remember Hixxy and co's trance stage in the late 90's? I don't, I was too young, but the point still stands. The music is constantly changing everyday and there is always going to be a producer, or group of producers that are pushing a different sound. Once again, I wasn't into hardcore when freeform was first starting, but I can imagine it got a lot of flack at the start for being too trancy, or lots of "**** that floaty acid shit".
Now, I'm not fully comparing freeform to electrocore because **** electrocore, but still.. genres change, sub genres are born and die every day. There's plenty of great, non electrocore, upfront, riff crazy hardcore out there. I just bought We'll Be Coming Back by Dowster & Vagadond (which sounds suspiciously like a "we're leaving the scene" record.. maybe I'm just being paranoid) and D-Linquants' remix of All Of The Lights (which I'll admit does have a bit of electrocore in it, though has a very bouncy, 2008-2012esque riff), and both sound just like the hardcore I've known and loved. WBCB especially so, since it sounds like it was plucked right out of Vagabond's vault from 2005-2007. I know I went slightly off topic, but meh.
tl;dr - there's LOADS of shit you may consider hardcore that someone else would laugh at you for, and vice versa, so take that into consideration before you flame an artist for producing elctrohousef@ggotdubcore.
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silver
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Posted - 2012/07/05 : 00:27:00
It's Hardcore til you die
:)
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Kebab Head
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Posted - 2012/07/05 : 05:47:01
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
It's Hardcore til you die
:)
No no
It's
Hardcore Til I Die
I'd of thought 10 years later you'd of known that?
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2012/07/05 : 05:56:27
For me, hardcore means ravey (fun) and makes me want to dance like a lunatic without caring what anyone else thinks.
As soon as it starts sounding too polished or trying to be cool (or jump on the latest bandwagon) it ceases to be hardcore and starts to become pop music.
Drum & Bass isn't hardcore because even though it's a similar speed and has many similar musical elements, the listeners (typically) care too much about looking cool/image. So it lacks the craziness that makes it hardcore.
Trance isn't hardcore for pretty much the same reason.
Eurodance is pretty much the closest thing to hardcore that isn't hardcore in my eyes. But it's again too obsessed with image (hello? - it has music videos).
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Breakbeat Jon
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Posted - 2012/07/05 : 07:33:12
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Originally posted by eddiewould:
Drum & Bass isn't hardcore because even though it's a similar speed and has many similar musical elements, the listeners (typically) care too much about looking cool/image. So it lacks the craziness that makes it hardcore.
I thinks thats a massive misconception often trotted out by hardcore fans thats way off the mark, in the same way D'n'B heads wrongly assume that hardcore kids are mostly e'd up retards in cyber gear.
D'n'B has far more in common with the original style of hardcore than hardcore has. Lets not forgot many of the djs and producers who laid the foundations of the hardcore scene progressed it into Jungle / D'n'B. As someone who grew up in the early 90s it was all the same to me, as result I love both genres and think it's a shame they are so far apart these days and hardly anyone mixes it up Easygroove style like it used to be. Obviously there are exceptions out there, Luna C, and Kutski for example.
It shouldn't matter if a track is bbhc or D'n'B. More often than not that tag is defined by the producers background. Hamilton releases D'n'B on Ram, if he released the same tune under Ham on Next Gen it would be defined as bbhc. End of the day, it would still be awesome.
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/07/05 : 08:06:46
I'm not sure if I'd get into hardcore if I actually started to listen to it back in 1990...
well I'd be 6-8 years old when the old Hardcore style came about, and I first started
buying music in 1995, and that was mostly Europe and Will Smith :P.
So far I haven't really heard any Harcore/Jungle/Oldskool track I like.
I've started to like the new "Breakbeat" Hardcore alittle, mostly because they pertain
the BPM Hardcore has had since 1995. So yea, to me Hardcore is about fast music
and heavy melody, preferbly accompanied by a heavy gabber kick :)
I don't know about the people, heck, I've only been to 1 rave, and that still feels
ackward to me :P But about the music, I do feel it's about letting go and having
a blast.
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scottyd2k9
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Posted - 2012/07/05 : 11:35:28
it has :
it stopped when they started adding electro an dubstep in
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danielseven
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Posted - 2012/07/05 : 16:21:08
quote:
Originally posted by jenks:
I think at this point the defining feature of hardcore is pretty much just the BPM.
So even the Eurobeat stuff that's over 170 BPM can be called hardcore? I don't think so.
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Beeferchiefer
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Posted - 2012/07/05 : 16:40:49
For me it stops being hardcore either when it loses that slightly tongue in cheek and humorous side that I associate with all the best (and even the most serious) hardcore. Other than that anything goes. A dubstep-like tune can still be hardcore IMO. However, dubstep is not a style that lends itself to particularly fun music and for me this explains why much of the 'dubcore' of the last year has been ill-received and fails to please people. Breakbeat hardcore, even that which sounds close to dnb, is almost always good fun. I find this a good measure of whether hardcore is good at all. It has always been a genre that takes great influence from others, but its the originality and tenacity with which these elements are put together that makes it fun music to listen to dance to.
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Posted - 2012/07/05 : 18:13:47
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