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skarr
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 Posted - 2014/06/02 : 02:09:45
...ore 'scene'
1st off, id like to big up mc keyes, (even though he is a terrible mc) for putting on the most forward thinking, varied and intresting lineups going, every event he puts on surpasses any other lineup that any other 'big rave' promoters would even dare to think about.
People have been moaning that he has put on another overseas event, in ibiza, and that they might not go out of 'principal', why should it ONLY be htid that are allowed to do this? the location is shit, the club is shit and the lineups are generic, so again, big up mc keyes for giving people a CHOICE if they want go abroad to rave, not in a complete shit hole.
Why should it be the same old fat sweaty past it o.a.p's that call all the shots? everything in life has to progress and change, including hardcore music and everything associated with it, otherwise things become stale and pointless.
Mc Static and mc enemy-- quite possibly the worst thing i have ever heard... seen them at ravers re united clubland thing in leicster and they were literally reciting nursery rhymes, 'fi fy fo fum, better watch out cause here i come', pathetic and embaressing.
Mc storm-- how does it feel knowing you have single handedly ruined the uk hardcore scene?You are a fake person and one of the worst human beings i have ever laid eyes on.
Hardcore Underground, releasing too many cd's, dont get me wrong most of them are brilliant, but some are completely pointless, like the dougal and gammer album and the lethal theory classics album. The lineups to your nights are always good but every time seem to be steering more towards the generic htid ect... lineups, you booked mc keyes for 2 sets at your last event, i cant help but think the main reason for this is so your artists will get booked at his events, because you know as well as i do, he is a terrible, terrible mc.
Futureworld,absolute pile of shit, not heard one amazing or groundbreaking tune to come out this label yet, everything has been completely bog standard.
Dj sy, if your are upset about the way things have gone for him then it serves you right for being the fan of a pervert, imagine if it was your 16 year old daughter that he had pictures of on his phone, they could of still been at school?
Chris unknown, only continued to slate sy because he has always been in his shadow, and now he has a place in the top tier he had to make sure sy had no way of coming back in, his tunes are shit lifeless and dull.
Power stomp, same kick and bass in every tune.
Darren styles, the best producer of all time, no one else will ever come close.
Gammer- sometimes its like hes taking piss out of the 'scene' with some of the stuff he makes.
part 2 (which will be a bit more positive) to follow tomorrow.
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 02:59:52
First off, inventive name.
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Originally posted by skarr:
...ore 'scene'
1st off, id like to big up mc keyes, (even though he is a terrible mc) for putting on the most forward thinking, varied and intresting lineups going, every event he puts on surpasses any other lineup that any other 'big rave' promoters would even dare to think about.
People have been moaning that he has put on another overseas event, in ibiza, and that they might not go out of 'principal', why should it ONLY be htid that are allowed to do this?
I think it's good to go more overseas too, but not as a 'holiday' style event, but as an event that outreaches to new fans. Very few events to that, and it's mind boggling that the old heads have missed that trick for so long (then again, they're probably not allowed visa's)
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Why should it be the same old fat sweaty past it o.a.p's that call all the shots? everything in life has to progress and change, including hardcore music and everything associated with it, otherwise things become stale and pointless.
Bang on. For a while it seemed that their influence had waned a little, but Storm's outcry a couple of months ago was very public evidence that the scene in the UK is still very manipulated.
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Mc Static and mc enemy-- quite possibly the worst thing i have ever heard... seen them at ravers re united clubland thing in leicster and they were literally reciting nursery rhymes, 'fi fy fo fum, better watch out cause here i come', pathetic and embaressing.
Mc storm-- how does it feel knowing you have single handedly ruined the uk hardcore scene?You are a fake person and one of the worst human beings i have ever laid eyes on.
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Hardcore Underground, releasing too many cd's, dont get me wrong most of them are brilliant, but some are completely pointless, like the dougal and gammer album and the lethal theory classics album.
Not really. If Hardcore is supposedly reaching to new fans, those albums are very good value introductory releases to some of Hardcores best music. Besides, they're compilations, and other than HU6, we've not had a compilation from anyone other than AATW in a very long time. Also, CD's are a nice tangible aspect of music. Digital is on it's way out according to RCAA stats, so until Hardcore can utilize streaming, CD's are the best vessel of innovation and creativity - as well as best value for money (especially with bundles.)
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Futureworld,absolute pile of shit, not heard one amazing or groundbreaking tune to come out this label yet, everything has been completely bog standard.
They've had some good stuff from Darren Styles, and there was a track by Tyl3r I liked, but they've been very slow off the mark. They're a covenant of the biggest labels and artists, but are doing nothing differently. Hopefully they'll have a bright idea that can get them back into the game, because they're getting trounced on their own turf.
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Dj sy, if your are upset about the way things have gone for him then it serves you right for being the fan of a pervert, imagine if it was your 16 year old daughter that he had pictures of on his phone, they could of still been at school? Chris unknown, only continued to slate sy because he has always been in his shadow, and now he has a place in the top tier he had to make sure sy had no way of coming back in, his tunes are shit lifeless and dull.
It's been said hundreds of times already, he's not been charged with anything and has complied with regulatory checks that they've had to do (if I remember correctly). People have absolutely no grounds to believe their kids are in danger, and sadly Sy has fallen foul from a savage pincer movement from 2 of his closest friends and colleagues. As I said above, his downfall is an example of how some people can manipulate a whole scene. Don't fall for their ******** and barking accusations on forums when you don't know the facts.
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Power stomp, same kick and bass in every tune.
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Darren styles, the best producer of all time, no one else will ever come close.
Again, you're probably right. His recent stuff has been very good, give or take the occasional travesty
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Gammer- sometimes its like hes taking piss out of the 'scene' with some of the stuff he makes.
Sadly, yes. Amazing producer, unmeasurable talent, but he mocks the scene and openly flames people who've been his fans as 'haters' because they don't know what to make of weird tracks like "Pure Fish".
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 05:16:41
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MC Keyes, yes it's good that he's making a varied lineup in the events he's promoting, but it still doesn't change that he's a fucking douchebag piece of shit for being one of those who made the whole Sy situation even worse than what it was. And there was a better way to go about presenting news of Ravers Ibiza. He should have announced it before wristband sales started for HTID ITS. It would have saved a lot of ravers the trouble of getting refunds and losing money re-booking flights and hotels. Also he hasn't released a lineup yet, and there's less than 4 months to go.
And as far as these weeklong raves go, They sound great and all, but it's rather difficult for the majority of ravers to take a whole week off from work to do such a long event. They really should focus on doing large weekend events like Q-Dance does, with hardcore taking the main stage and other styles taking smaller stages.
And personally I think all MCs are awful with the exception of a few like MC Mayhem and MC Obie. The excessiveness of the likes of Storm, Keyes, Enemy, and a few others is just ridiculous. No other genre of electronic music utilize their MCs to the extent that UK hardcore does, and puts them on a pedestal and alongside of importance as DJs. You can have a rave without MCs, but you can't have a rave without DJs.
As far as Futureworld goes, it's good for those DJs to have a label that has a stable and steady release schedule, but honestly there's no variety at that label. I think it was a bad move to solely release their stuff at Beatport. But I guess it's probably working well for them.
And I agree that powerstomp is pretty much the same track over and over again. I really hate that godawful Mel C (sporty spice) remake that was done in powerstomp version. But then again most UK hardcore styles follow a very similar format for all the tracks under that style. It just sounds more obvious in powerstomp.
I don't fault Gammer for trying something different, even when it doesn't work. I admire his creativeness in his tracks and mixing. He's not always the most cookie cutter of the mainstream UK hardcore bunch, which I have respect for. I do however wish he would stop being a whiney douche everytime he's butthurt by some negative comments online. He's probably the most booked DJ of the bunch, with gigs all over the UK, North America, and even in Europe and I think Asia as well and definitely has so many followers. If he's out focusing on one individual comment upon thousands of other comments, then there's something wrong with him.
And as far as Sy and Unknown goes, I believe Sy's situation is a terrible misunderstanding of your stupidass laws on age of consensual sex. 16, really??? I think that is just ridiculous, and no wonder he got caught with a 16yr old's pics. If it's ok for a 16yr old to have sex with someone decades older than you, then how does it not make sense that those same older people are allowed to carry pics of a 16yr old. Have the same age for both, make it a flat 18yrs old or 16yrs old for both. And even though I think he got dealt a wrong hand in the whole situation and cost him a lot of gigs, I wouldn't want him back doing mainstream hardcore again, even with Unknown. Before all that happened their stuff was heavily criticized by most people on here, especially those crying for his return. They just both ran their course, and Unknown isn't doing any better with other producers imo.
And Olly said it best about HU and their CD albums. There are a ton of current UK hardcore ravers that aren't familiar with the Lethal Theory classics or even half of what's on the D&G album. And for awhile many people complained at the lack of a tangible form of music for UK hardcore. People have been begging for years for artist albums, and now because of HU and their hard efforts everyone is wanting to do them.
Also, HU has always booked at least one mainstream act for their events that are part of that Futureworld crew. I think they booked more this time around because they wanted a packed house so it would give a good crowd sound for the Live album. I hope it paid off. And I hope that's the last time I ever see storm and keyes as MCs for a Hardcore Underground event 
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 13:12:42
All MCs: Superfluous. Redundant. Surplus to requirements. They shouldn't be in a state of reverence-fuelled inertia, they should be working hard to prove that they actually add something of value to sets. Sure, there are some inoffensive MCs in the hardcore scene who don't spit the most self-aggrandising bars but, by and large, I wouldn't be particularly upset if all MCs disappeared overnight. The pecking order is quite clear (producers > DJs > MCs) and they should respect that fact.
MC Storm (in particular): Well said. He genuinely seems like not a very nice person. Thick as a brick too.
Hardcore Underground: At least they're doing something. It's not like hardcore is a massive scene where one outlet can drop off and we'll still be saturated with music. HU puts out a respectable portion of the hardcore music that's coming out. I, for one, don't particularly care what format that entails (although I'd prefer digital). I also feel that Dougal and Gammer ****ed HU over with First Order. Not especially HU's fault.
Futureworld: It's not that bad. Paranoia, Sober, Burn and I Know You (Drop This) were all great imo. Generally speaking though, they've fallen into a groove of producing their own fairly generic sound in an isolated bubble. Same could be said for top tier hardcore throughout history, yes, but this time it's a sound I don't particularly like. Hardcore has a kick on every beat, not a snare on alternating beats!
Sy: If you know more about the incident than we do, feel free to fill us in. From where I'm standing, we still have no idea what actually happened. Don't treat Storm's version of events as axiomatic fact. Besides, there's no mutual exclusivity between condemning what he allegedly did and being upset about losing him as an artist. He was a great producer and we're well within our rights to be disappointed at the loss, regardless of what he did or didn't do.
Unknown: With his lack of proven solo track record and his epic streak of mediocrity since the split, I don't see him actually maintaining his position at all. I think the trajectory is downward from here.
Powerstomp: Well, it certainly isn't my cup of tea either. I guess an optimistic reading would be that at least they're introducing some (ironically generic) diversity to hardcore.
Styles: Yeah. Seal of approval!
Gammer: I don't know about "taking the piss", I haven't really felt that way about him. I just view him as arrogant and generally a bit of a dick. It seems as though he thinks he's too good for the hardcore scene and that we should all display extreme gratitude and reverence towards him for staying. **** that tho.
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 14:58:10
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The pecking order is quite clear (producers > DJs > MCs) and they should respect that fact.
Believe me, I'd love to agree with you, but MC's, particularly Storm, are far more powerful than that. I've heard about MC's demanding tracks be sent back to the studio to allow them more sections to MC in
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 15:34:01
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Originally posted by Elliott:
The pecking order is quite clear (producers > DJs > MCs) and they should respect that fact.
Believe me, I'd love to agree with you, but MC's, particularly Storm, are far more powerful than that. I've heard about MC's demanding tracks be sent back to the studio to allow them more sections to MC in
That's not how it is, but that is how it should be. Well the producers and DJs part is a toss-up. A producer doesn't always make a great DJ, and vice-versa.
And that is the fault of the producers, DJs and promoters, for inflaming the egos of these wretched MCs to thinking they actually matter in the scene when they are actually the most expendable element of any rave.
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 16:07:15
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Originally posted by Elliott:
The pecking order is quite clear (producers > DJs > MCs) and they should respect that fact.
Believe me, I'd love to agree with you, but MC's, particularly Storm, are far more powerful than that. I've heard about MC's demanding tracks be sent back to the studio to allow them more sections to MC in
Yeah, I'm afraid that you're totally right. I guess I'm just describing how it intuitively should be.
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 16:11:57
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by Elliott:
The pecking order is quite clear (producers > DJs > MCs) and they should respect that fact.
Believe me, I'd love to agree with you, but MC's, particularly Storm, are far more powerful than that. I've heard about MC's demanding tracks be sent back to the studio to allow them more sections to MC in
Well the producers and DJs part is a toss-up. A producer doesn't always make a great DJ, and vice-versa.
I see your point. I'm not trying to imply that anyone higher up the food chain is interchangeable with the lesser roles.
Here's how I derive the hierarchy: without the producers, DJs have nothing to play and without the DJs, MCs have nothing to talk over. Each one depends entirely on the people above them in a way that isn't reciprocated to any significant extent.
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 16:59:44
If an MC told me to edit my track for them to 'spit bars' for a bit longer, I'd be telling them to knob off! Unless it was a close colleague MC who works mostly with me and wanted a special one-off or something, and face it that's not going to happen.
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 17:19:18
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by Elliott:
The pecking order is quite clear (producers > DJs > MCs) and they should respect that fact.
Believe me, I'd love to agree with you, but MC's, particularly Storm, are far more powerful than that. I've heard about MC's demanding tracks be sent back to the studio to allow them more sections to MC in
Well the producers and DJs part is a toss-up. A producer doesn't always make a great DJ, and vice-versa.
I see your point. I'm not trying to imply that anyone higher up the food chain is interchangeable with the lesser roles.
Here's how I derive the hierarchy: without the producers, DJs have nothing to play and without the DJs, MCs have nothing to talk over. Each one depends entirely on the people above them in a way that isn't reciprocated to any significant extent.
yes but without MCs, DJs would have no one to rant over their mixes. Is that a bad thing at all? Personally I think it would sound brilliant, in fact it does sound brilliant lol. I absolutely loved hearing Gammer's mix here in Houston 3 years ago, completely MC-less, and it's probably one of my favorite sets out of the 5 or 6 I heard from him.
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 18:07:04
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If an MC told me to edit my track for them to 'spit bars' for a bit longer, I'd be telling them to knob off! Unless it was a close colleague MC who works mostly with me and wanted a special one-off or something, and face it that's not going to happen.
Problem is, if an MC can topple an event, they can sure as hell stop a DJ from being hired to play for a night
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 18:18:21
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by Elliott:
The pecking order is quite clear (producers > DJs > MCs) and they should respect that fact.
Believe me, I'd love to agree with you, but MC's, particularly Storm, are far more powerful than that. I've heard about MC's demanding tracks be sent back to the studio to allow them more sections to MC in
Well the producers and DJs part is a toss-up. A producer doesn't always make a great DJ, and vice-versa.
I see your point. I'm not trying to imply that anyone higher up the food chain is interchangeable with the lesser roles.
Here's how I derive the hierarchy: without the producers, DJs have nothing to play and without the DJs, MCs have nothing to talk over. Each one depends entirely on the people above them in a way that isn't reciprocated to any significant extent.
yes but without MCs, DJs would have no one to rant over their mixes. Is that a bad thing at all? Personally I think it would sound brilliant, in fact it does sound brilliant lol. I absolutely loved hearing Gammer's mix here in Houston 3 years ago, completely MC-less, and it's probably one of my favorite sets out of the 5 or 6 I heard from him.
I concur :)
I went to an event with no MCs a couple of years ago now and it was great. The idea that hardcore ravers need someone talking shit to hype them up is utterly fallacious.
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 18:31:53
I'm anxiously awaiting part 2, skarr. So far you've not missed the mark by a million miles but the tone has been something of a downer.
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 18:34:46
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If an MC told me to edit my track for them to 'spit bars' for a bit longer, I'd be telling them to knob off! Unless it was a close colleague MC who works mostly with me and wanted a special one-off or something, and face it that's not going to happen.
Problem is, if an MC can topple an event, they can sure as hell stop a DJ from being hired to play for a night
I'd begin scratching over the extended section before the MC could begin his mindless chatter.
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Posted - 2014/06/02 : 18:37:26
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
If an MC told me to edit my track for them to 'spit bars' for a bit longer, I'd be telling them to knob off! Unless it was a close colleague MC who works mostly with me and wanted a special one-off or something, and face it that's not going to happen.
Problem is, if an MC can topple an event, they can sure as hell stop a DJ from being hired to play for a night
I'd begin scratching over the extended section before the MC could begin his mindless chatter.
A set of you doing this is something I'd pay to see, especially if it was Storm on the mic.
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Posted - 2014/06/07 : 05:58:57
Thank u everyone for taking the time to read what i think, it is a massive pleasure to have an intelligent discussion with people that actually know what they are talking about.
But part 2.......
Klubfiller..... very very talented producer, and has a good ear for hardcore music, but why book him to play 'anthem' sets when really, he knows **** all about uk hardcore from more than 3 years ago.People say he only got to where he is because of storm, but to be honest, i think he'd be better off without him.
Freeform, - Thumpa, has played an absolute pivotal role, if not THE biggest role in getting freeform to where it is today,without him freeform would not be what it is, so big up Thumpa.
He was one of the only people that instead of moaning about the music, got off his arse and did something about it, its a shame 2 see him leave, but in my eyes, he leaves a legacy behind him.R.I.P Rebuild Music...
Fracus n Darwin--- i think they are very hit and miss, sometimes their tracks blow my mind, completely,but sometimes i think they are a little bit boring, but 75% of the tunes they make you can feel their true love for hardcore, they are probably the only people in the 'top tier' that have got to where they are through sheer hard work and dedication.
But all in all, i think most of the 'best; people arent here anymore, 'ham' by far the best producer other than darren styles,sy (obvious reasons) and Nu foundation, God only knows what sort of stuff he would be coming out with now, but we are blessed with the beautifull music he made..........
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