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Quicksilver
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 Posted - 2014/06/09 : 20:04:57
I wouldn't say FW is the biggest label. I mean, what are they really doing? HU is releasing albums left and right and just had a big event, they're welcoming all producers (even FW) and is pushing everything forward. What is FW doing? Releasing a few tunes every now and then? Big yay...
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2014/06/09 : 21:03:43
They're the biggest label in that they have just about all of the most popular producers in hardcore signed to them atm. They have a different agenda to HU, who by the way are doing a great job of putting artist/compilation albums out there. Not really a like for like comparison.
For what it's worth, FW have had at least one event recently.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2014/06/09 : 23:13:36
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
They're the biggest label in that they have just about all of the most popular producers in hardcore signed to them atm. They have a different agenda to HU, who by the way are doing a great job of putting artist/compilation albums out there. Not really a like for like comparison.
For what it's worth, FW have had at least one event recently.
Yeah, I have to agree. I think anyone who tries to claim that FW isn't a significant (if not the most significant) hardcore label is perhaps thinking a little too much in terms of what they want to be the case rather than what actually is. It's hard to acknowledge and accept the clout of a label we're not overly fond of. The fact that FW keeps a **** like Breeze in a job is enough for me to have reservations about it.
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 11:48:54
Futureworld sells less units than HU & ReBuild I reckon, they might have big producers on there but they haven't got the diehard fans that put their hand in their pocket like we have.
Not a knock on the label but I'll put my sales figures up against anyone in hardcore. FW has a big raver following but when it comes to sales I'd say they're not the biggest label in hardcore.
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 13:43:31
maybe, but while you earn a quick buck, they can earn money as long as they have their stuff up for sales
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CDJay
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 14:30:51
It's a weird competition because there's no real valid definitive metric.
As it stands, there's a bunch of camps all doing stuff and a bunch of people supporting it. If they meld, slightly, it'll be great.
It's really not important who "ranks" what where and when. I mean, who wants to "win" use of the best table in Titanic's dining room as it's sinking? Time and a place.... time and a place.
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 15:03:29
You're surely not suggesting the hardcore scene is a sinking ship?
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 15:08:43
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Originally posted by Samination:
maybe, but while you earn a quick buck, they can earn money as long as they have their stuff up for sales
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CDJay
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 15:17:05
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You're surely not suggesting the hardcore scene is a sinking ship?
It absolutely has been, although more attention has been paid of late towards keeping things afloat rather than fighting over dinner table arrangements.
Things are on the up. 
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 18:45:28
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Originally posted by Thumpa:
Futureworld sells less units than HU & ReBuild I reckon, they might have big producers on there but they haven't got the diehard fans that put their hand in their pocket like we have.
Not a knock on the label but I'll put my sales figures up against anyone in hardcore. FW has a big raver following but when it comes to sales I'd say they're not the biggest label in hardcore.
Can you really compare yourself to FW? They sell singles, you sell compilations. They sell singles in unlimited numbers quite frequently, you sell limited press compilations once a year. I'm not trying to knock, but that's like comparing a car and a plane. Both move, but in very different ways
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Originally posted by CDJay:
It's a weird competition because there's no real valid definitive metric.
As it stands, there's a bunch of camps all doing stuff and a bunch of people supporting it. If they meld, slightly, it'll be great.
It's really not important who "ranks" what where and when. I mean, who wants to "win" use of the best table in Titanic's dining room as it's sinking? Time and a place.... time and a place.
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You could merge every label in Hardcore and you'd still have a shrinking scene. The derp mistake that EVERY label makes in Hardcore is thinking that being the biggest in Hardcore is what will count. It's still an aging and shrinking scene. There's more countries getting involved, but they're few and far between. In the UK, too many people are losing interest or outgrowing Hardcore, and not enough young people are coming into the scene and getting involved.
The answer lies outside of Hardcore, in other genres of similar tempo or style, but the leading labels' outreach is non-existent. There's little way for people to find Hardcore unless they go to lengths to find it. The labels and artists aren't putting themselves into the view of other music fans. It's something I've been trying to do for a while in a limited capacity.
You might argue that with Hardcore Breaks, it's trying to attract new fans, but it's branded and described as Breakbeat Hardcore. Its a style of music that appeals to Hardcore fans, but will therefore be completely missed by Drum & Bass fans. They're identical styles of music, but it's impeded by not being considered Drum & Bass.
Yes Hardcore is a Titanic, but who's trying to change the tide of fate? So far, Nanobii, who had a release on Monstercat. Maybe Noc V who had a play on morning Radio 1, but there's absolutely no one else. If a producer looks to find fans in another genre, they change their production to that genre entirely. In other words, they jump ship.
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 20:07:20
I'm in it for the big mansions, fast cars, even faster women, Jet Set lifestyle and the mountains of cocaine !
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Elliott
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 20:26:08
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Originally posted by Elipton:
You might argue that with Hardcore Breaks, it's trying to attract new fans, but it's branded and described as Breakbeat Hardcore. Its a style of music that appeals to Hardcore fans, but will therefore be completely missed by Drum & Bass fans. They're identical styles of music, but it's impeded by not being considered Drum & Bass.
I'm glad you're in the same boat as me on this point.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 23:31:52
Showcasing something comes riiiiight after performance readiness.
What, precisely, is the point in drawing attention to a half finished building with dead workers still lying around?
I'm *all* for pushing scope, and awareness, and the breakbeat hardcore D&B thing is interesting to me simply because it's a heavily discussed and strategized point internally.
I said earlier that if DS plays at EDC is would be nice if casual interest lead to something that can maintain interest. I mean this; in an ideal world we'd never have got ignored, half the talent and variety wouldn't have gone walkies, and I'd be tripping under sunshine in the tropics. Reality must intrude. Don't draw attention to a half finished patch project; the chance to expand and sustain was many years ago and believe me when I say I shrieked to high heaven with reasons to do things differently. It's now time to knuckle down and make it something worth finding. Core audience.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2014/06/10 : 23:46:06
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What, precisely, is the point in drawing attention to a half finished building with dead workers still lying around?
I don't know either, but that's what you get when you give the World cup to Brazil! ;-)
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/06/11 : 00:42:43
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Originally posted by Elipton:
You might argue that with Hardcore Breaks, it's trying to attract new fans, but it's branded and described as Breakbeat Hardcore. Its a style of music that appeals to Hardcore fans, but will therefore be completely missed by Drum & Bass fans. They're identical styles of music, but it's impeded by not being considered Drum & Bass.
I'm glad you're in the same boat as me on this point.
You're both on the sinking Titanic? That would be lovely.
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