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Hard2Get
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 Posted - 2015/01/12 : 17:58:02
Yeah. It started with the Dutch Stuff Hixxy used to play in his happy sets.
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EnglishGabberHead
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Posted - 2015/01/12 : 18:45:43
Dutch can produce very cheesy happy i,e, 'Have you ever been mellow?'
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Samination
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Posted - 2015/01/13 : 08:03:54
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Originally posted by EnglishGabberHead:
Dutch can produce very cheesy happy i,e, 'Have you ever been mellow?'
but they could also make the most shit of all. No wonder it died :P
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2015/01/13 : 10:38:22
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by EnglishGabberHead:
Dutch can produce very cheesy happy i,e, 'Have you ever been mellow?'
but they could also make the most shit of all. No wonder it died :P
That is correct.
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EnglishGabberHead
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Posted - 2015/01/21 : 19:15:49
good thing they made up for it with Gabber!
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jenks
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Posted - 2015/01/22 : 19:00:31
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Similarly Scotland is more pro-EU, whereas England wants out and the further south you go the stronger it is.
I don't get that impression.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2015/01/24 : 15:24:16
I am 'southern' and like Gabber. It seems that the south was dominated by the 'London scene' that had strong ties with the Essex scene. In London, breakbeat was popular from the start as it seemed to been favoured by the large Afro Caribbean community who grew up with Reggae and Hip Hop so when 'Ragga Jungle' came about, this was popular with the ravers who likes that type of music anyway. I can imagine that there was a strong Jungle following it other places where there is large mixed race communities.
It seems that a lot of southern DJs did learn towards the harder Scottish/ Dutch sound around the mid 90s, people like Brisk seemed to have played it in his sets, that's if you can download the sets from his own website, in 92 he seemed to be breakbeat while by 95 there was a large Scottish/ Dutch influence and or a while people like Hixxy and Vibes where throwing in hard kicks in with the breaks. It has been said that some breakbeat labels where popular in Scotland though, labels like Kniteforce maybe as they where less pure Jungle and had that bouncier edge to it.
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DJ2XL
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Posted - 2015/01/26 : 15:50:18
It did take off but it was mainly crossed over with hardcore.. Gabber was massive with the dutch and the germans but never crossed the water properly, i have tons of gabber esp Mokum, Ruffneck records and RTR
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Samination
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Posted - 2015/01/26 : 17:25:56
maybe we should be thankful it never hit in the southern parts. What would've happened to the british hardcore scene when the dutch one hit the toilet? :P
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bazzaboiii
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Posted - 2015/02/05 : 04:19:32
I've always wondered this! I've always just thought it becuase of cultural differences and the different mix of people, us scots have always had a bit of a reputuation for being a bit mental hence the term "mad scotsman". I always put it down to the DJ's who were playing in the area at the time.. No internet back then meant that people really had to listen to what they were given. But it seems that wasn't the casue.
I grew up during the bouncy techno period and is why I'm into hardcore today.. I actually remember hearing the change in sound. In 1992 when the first rezerection was held hardcore was more breaks and vocals and within a matter of 2 years it had completely changed. The amount of scottish bouncy techno producers was unreal.. The Rhythmic State, Ultrasonic, Scott, Brown, TTF, Q-Tex, Ultimate Buzz, Bass Generator. It was everywhere, even on our radio.
This wiki link explains a lot.. Scott Brown basically was responsible. And it was Scotland that was exporting our sound not Importing from the Netherlands. Pretty interesting read...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouncy_techno
Not sure who these guys are but they're producers being filmed at the end of a rez event in 92 talking about the scottish scene. You can hear the bouncy influence in the video but there's still a lot of breaks.. Probably where Scott Brown spotted that the crowd were going mad for the sound..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8XlGq5yvLw&feature=youtu.be&t=52m3s
It's quite interesting to see what the article mentions about the Southern DJ's trying to introduce the bouncy feel into the breakbeat in this video from Strictly Underground Rave New Years Eve 1994..
http://youtu.be/j3aybrCkuMs?t=25m49s
But it didn't look like the crowd were feeling it.. They kinda lacked the energy it was giving them when they were dancing. While Scotland were bouncing around like nutters...
http://youtu.be/oo0Ie2gCA6A?t=3m7s
http://youtu.be/CUG7EQigrKs?t=6m33s
It made me wonder what Ireland were upto, they dont't seem to be mentioned anywhere. And came accross this video from Kellys Nightclub 1996
http://youtu.be/G2KRaUnQDmU?t=3m28s
Paul Elstaks was a big name here back in those days through Scott Brown bringing him onto the scene 20 years ago so you would think he would be a name you associated with the old days of rave.. But still to this day Scotland seem to go mad for him and not just the old school crowd.. Some weren't even born when when he first came here (I'm actually going to a gig he's playing tonight).
Paul Elstak @ Twisted Darkside Glasgow
http://youtu.be/x0wHN4hk1Ng
That techno sound still caries on today.. Makina exactly the same thing. Newcastle even had a club called Hanger 13.
When the Scouse scene came about I noticed the same thing happen with the divide, quite a lot of the original scouse house was based on bouncy techno before it got too donky... Newcastle were well into the scene and it even travelled up to Scotland and we had Producers up here give us their twist on it. But again it never seemed to get past Manchester.
Probably becuase of the wide range of diversity London has, there's so many clubs offering something different for everyone.
I enjoyed that wee trip and the one thing that I've taken from it is that we've got a lot to thank Scott Brown for. And even after another change of taste you don't see him posting what rants about how stuffs changed... True Legend!
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bazzaboiii
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Posted - 2015/02/05 : 04:44:06
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Originally posted by Samination:
maybe we should be thankful it never hit in the southern parts. What would've happened to the british hardcore scene when the dutch one hit the toilet? :P
LOL. You got any idea how big gabber is now?
Joey Riot is also part of Destructive Tendencies who produce Gabber.
They've just done Amsterdam had a gig in Switzerland and booked for Netherlands & Barcelona.
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Similarly Scotland is more pro-EU, whereas England wants out and the further south you go the stronger it is.
Really? That would influence a choice in music? The only thing I'm pro is pro hardcore and if I like the music, I like it. The DJ could be a cross dressing rabbit from Uranus
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bazzaboiii
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Posted - 2015/02/05 : 04:51:24
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Originally posted by Samination:
maybe we should be thankful it never hit in the southern parts. What would've happened to the british hardcore scene when the dutch one hit the toilet? :P
What was the hardcore like in Sweden at those times?
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Samination
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Posted - 2015/02/05 : 13:36:03
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Originally posted by bazzaboiii:
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Originally posted by Samination:
maybe we should be thankful it never hit in the southern parts. What would've happened to the british hardcore scene when the dutch one hit the toilet? :P
What was the hardcore like in Sweden at those times?
Wouldn't know, I got into hardcore in late 2001. But supposedly Thunderdome had a following in Sweden.
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EnglishGabberHead
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Posted - 2015/02/08 : 18:22:38
Wish Elstak would play down south!!!!!!!!!!!! I think he did bagleys in late 90s/early 00s once but thats the only memory i have of him playing , i wasnt there and may be just imagining it lol.
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bazzaboiii
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Posted - 2015/02/09 : 18:10:03
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Originally posted by EnglishGabberHead:
Wish Elstak would play down south!!!!!!!!!!!! I think he did bagleys in late 90s/early 00s once but thats the only memory i have of him playing , i wasnt there and may be just imagining it lol.
Aw buddy! I think you were born at the wrong end of the country lol. I've been to see him at least 7 times since 2011. Can't get enough of him up here.
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Why did southern U.K. never embrace Gabber music?
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