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arpz Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,267 posts Joined: Aug, 2012
Posted - 2016/06/01 : 11:27:33
Whizzkid just put a poll up on Facebook:
"No explanation, JUST your answer ( a,b,c or d )
What's it called?
a) It's Happy Hardcore
b) Nah, it's just Hardcore
c) WTF?! It's UK Hardcore
d) Nope... It's Rave Music"
I was going to try adding all the responses up but I've realised I can't be arsed. I'm interested in what's prompted him to ask this question, obviously Gammer has been calling all of his stuff 'happy hardcore' lately even though it's not fitting into the generally accepted definition.
I'm assuming this is something to do with Gammer due to Whizzkids close affiliation with him but what's the agenda, to confirm whether or not people have accepted the 'new name' or what?
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,073 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2016/06/01 : 12:03:39
I can't say I was around when Happy Hardcore came, but from what I have seen people writting about the mid 90's, is that there were basicly 2 styles of (Happy) Hardcore. I guess something similar is happening now. And Gammer is probably trying to make his stuff THE Happy Hardcore people would associate it with.
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Alert moderatorEdited by - Samination on 2016/06/01 12:04:30
Captain Triceps Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,184 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2016/06/01 : 12:10:49
Just hardcore, or UK hardcore if I want to be specific.
Happy hardcore is a distinct sound of its own. It's like a dancehall producer calling his music "skinhead reggae", or a death metal band calling it "rock 'n' roll".
For years more or less the only people calling post 2000 hardcore "happy hardcore" were either no longer into the music, or were never interested in it and were mocking us.
I can sort of see why he has started doing this, not that I could explain it, and he can obviously call the music anything he likes. I just don't think it's the right term to use.
arpz Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,267 posts Joined: Aug, 2012
Posted - 2016/06/01 : 12:17:57
The addition of one word would fix this without ****ing up everything in the process. If you are wanting to appease international producers/fans then simply call it 'UK-style Hardcore'. It's not Dutch hardcore and it's not Happy Hardcore, it's hardcore made in the UK style post 2000.
Alert moderatorEdited by - Quicksilver on 2016/06/01 13:11:24
ViolonC Average Member
Germany
243 posts Joined: Sep, 2014
Posted - 2016/06/01 : 16:54:42
In Germany it has been called Happy Hardcore ever since. Nobody knows what UK Hardcore is and simply Hardcore is 'Gabber' (or that Punk thing).
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2016/06/01 : 17:33:57
Happy hardcore is a term that appeals to the North American ravers. Gammer has had plenty of gigs in the US lately and I think this name change he's given to his non-happy hardcore is just to appeal more to that market. I'm with Captain Triceps that happy hardcore is a term used to specifically describe a certain type of hardcore that was popular in the 90s that isn't really all that noticeable in today's hardcore. There are some tracks though that do bring us back to that really happy sound, like with HU's Happy Hardcore Underground.
Hardcore is what people who follow the scene call it, especially in the UK. While it's not an incorrect term, it's not a term without flaws either. Hardcore is a specific genre of electronic music that not only includes happy/uk hardcore, it also includes gabber hardcore, speedcore, and others. Also, on a global scale, the term hardcore is often referred to either a genre of rock/alternative music (to those not really into electronic music) or to gabber hardcore. Most people who know electronic music will think of gabber hardcore before they think of UK/happy hardcore.
Personally I think UK hardcore is the best term. People will argue that it's not a good term because some people will think it only pertains to the music that's produced in the UK, but I think it also pertains to music that has been influenced by UK hardcore. So you don't have to be British to produce UK hardcore. So UK hardcore for me.
Mansy Senior Member
United Kingdom
413 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2016/06/01 : 17:57:41
Yeah its UK hardcore. Happy hardcore was a completely diffrent era of hardcore. hardcore works just aswell but people do see gabba as being hardcore. Rave music basicaly goes for anything. Ive heard people say im going to a rave and its some bounce shit!
arpz Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,267 posts Joined: Aug, 2012
Posted - 2016/06/01 : 18:20:07
It's undeniable that there's a difference between the sound of NL hardcore and UK... That's why the distinction is there, not as some kind of patriotic thing. The fact that there's now quite a few US producers making UK style hardcore doesn't mean the name is invalid or should be changed. It's about making a separation from the Dutch stuff which is totally different. This whole "let's call it happy hardcore" thing that's happening at the moment is wrong in my opinion - the names are just labels, signifiers of what to expect, it's generally understood that happy hardcore is the pre 2000 sounding stuff so I think it is ridiculous to try and reclaim that idea now that the genre names are so entrenched in the minds of anyone that isn't drinking Gammers Kool aid.
Mansy Senior Member
United Kingdom
413 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2016/06/01 : 19:10:01
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
It's undeniable that there's a difference between the sound of NL hardcore and UK... That's why the distinction is there, not as some kind of patriotic thing. The fact that there's now quite a few US producers making UK style hardcore doesn't mean the name is invalid or should be changed.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,073 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2016/06/01 : 20:07:03
no, it should be called Hardcore Punk, because we are rebels!
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Guest Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,511 posts Joined: Feb, 2015
Posted - 2016/06/02 : 02:27:57
quote:Originally posted by ViolonC:
In Germany it has been called Happy Hardcore ever since. Nobody knows what UK Hardcore is and simply Hardcore is 'Gabber' (or that Punk thing).
hardly a punk thing, gabber died 10 years ago, and mainstream took over, and why uk hardcore had to take the uk hardcore name in all the shops and on the internet worldwide, hardcore has been like this since
theres hardcore, theres uk/happy hardcore, gabber is dead, and no big events have it cos its shit
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Captain Triceps Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,184 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2016/06/02 : 08:41:20
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
hardly a punk thing, gabber died 10 years ago, and mainstream took over, and why uk hardcore had to take the uk hardcore name in all the shops and on the internet worldwide, hardcore has been like this since
theres hardcore, theres uk/happy hardcore, gabber is dead, and no big events have it cos its shit
Finally, someone telling it straight, I'm sick of reading everyone's ambiguous replies.
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