Elipton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,268 posts Joined: Apr, 2013
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 02:11:37
quote:Originally posted by Alex BassJunkie:
quote:Originally posted by Dys7:
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
Cant really compare S3RL and Breeze can we? S3RL is far superior, and thats why he has such a reach
Absolutely disagree.
S3rl's style of music brings in the Otaku/Weaboo/Nightcore/Anime culture, PLUS mainstream hardcore listeners.
Since Breeze doesn't make cheesy kandi, he doesn't have that kind of fandom culture going for him.
Breeze makes tracks on his own? I thought he just collabs with talented producers....
The last track I heard Breeze do on his own was this:
I think the shitness of that track pretty much immunizes every dig he can have against other producers. I mean, you compare this to newer and younger producers like Dys7, Spirit Wolf and Olly P and you begin to wonder what it is that makes this tub of lard so special.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,084 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 05:33:15
quote:Originally posted by Rodz90:
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
I don't know how everything exactly developed in the US scene during the past few decades, but from what I've registered so far my personal opinion is that the UK DJs left out the US in a novercal way, because for such a small scene it's not worth to cross the pond.
The Australians didn't mind and now one of them has become one of the leading followed ones in the growing US-market and now British top-tiers feel pissed off and demand to have their slice. Sometimes someone has to do pioneer work and not wait around until someone else laid the table for you.
Don't blame the consumers for your poor marketing!
Couldn't have said it any better, what a massive **** breeze seems to be in those posts - it truly does seem he has the IQ of a glass of water and is completely ignorant.
Also C-Kay your public perception doesn't seem much better when your siding with Breeze and you give off the impression of being a tad uneducated, you seem ok in your posts on here though which is odd.
Say what now? Are you dragging someone who isn't on this thread into it, just because he has sided with Breeze. TBH, Hixxy, Kevin Energy and Thumpa (and Brisk in a few places) are the only ones who has given australian artists any kind of recognition. So why not jump on everyone else Rodz90? So either calm down, or you'll just give the "anti-haters" more fuel to call us "haters"...
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latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 06:48:35
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Rodz90:
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
I don't know how everything exactly developed in the US scene during the past few decades, but from what I've registered so far my personal opinion is that the UK DJs left out the US in a novercal way, because for such a small scene it's not worth to cross the pond.
The Australians didn't mind and now one of them has become one of the leading followed ones in the growing US-market and now British top-tiers feel pissed off and demand to have their slice. Sometimes someone has to do pioneer work and not wait around until someone else laid the table for you.
Don't blame the consumers for your poor marketing!
Couldn't have said it any better, what a massive **** breeze seems to be in those posts - it truly does seem he has the IQ of a glass of water and is completely ignorant.
Also C-Kay your public perception doesn't seem much better when your siding with Breeze and you give off the impression of being a tad uneducated, you seem ok in your posts on here though which is odd.
Say what now? Are you dragging someone who isn't on this thread into it, just because he has sided with Breeze. TBH, Hixxy, Kevin Energy and Thumpa (and Brisk in a few places) are the only ones who has given australian artists any kind of recognition. So why not jump on everyone else Rodz90? So either calm down, or you'll just give the "anti-haters" more fuel to call us "haters"...
I think he's referring to C.Kay's responses to Breeze's twitter post, which I have to say makes him look rather ignorant. The first year they decide to let the nominations and winners completely decided by the voters, and he calls this new system "cock shit." Is that saying we don't know how to vote? And he complains how they are spamming for votes, yet everyone at FW then and now do that! Hellblinde was never going to win, but it's more interesting than anything that his name got up there.
Alert moderatorEdited by - latininxtc on 2013/10/30 06:49:29
Rodz90 Average Member
United Kingdom
208 posts Joined: Sep, 2012
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 10:25:54
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Rodz90:
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
I don't know how everything exactly developed in the US scene during the past few decades, but from what I've registered so far my personal opinion is that the UK DJs left out the US in a novercal way, because for such a small scene it's not worth to cross the pond.
The Australians didn't mind and now one of them has become one of the leading followed ones in the growing US-market and now British top-tiers feel pissed off and demand to have their slice. Sometimes someone has to do pioneer work and not wait around until someone else laid the table for you.
Don't blame the consumers for your poor marketing!
Couldn't have said it any better, what a massive **** breeze seems to be in those posts - it truly does seem he has the IQ of a glass of water and is completely ignorant.
Also C-Kay your public perception doesn't seem much better when your siding with Breeze and you give off the impression of being a tad uneducated, you seem ok in your posts on here though which is odd.
Say what now? Are you dragging someone who isn't on this thread into it, just because he has sided with Breeze. TBH, Hixxy, Kevin Energy and Thumpa (and Brisk in a few places) are the only ones who has given australian artists any kind of recognition. So why not jump on everyone else Rodz90? So either calm down, or you'll just give the "anti-haters" more fuel to call us "haters"...
I think he's referring to C.Kay's responses to Breeze's twitter post, which I have to say makes him look rather ignorant. The first year they decide to let the nominations and winners completely decided by the voters, and he calls this new system "cock shit." Is that saying we don't know how to vote? And he complains how they are spamming for votes, yet everyone at FW then and now do that! Hellblinde was never going to win, but it's more interesting than anything that his name got up there.
Thanks Latin that was what i was referring to, apologies Samination - try reading my post one more time; i'm not saying C-Kay is a bad guy or anything, just commentating on his public perception from those twitter posts as opposed to on here - it just seems a tad odd is all.Honestly I'm not that ambitious to start some kind of hating feud!
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,084 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 11:57:27
No, I should apologize Rodz, cause I did miss c-kay posts on twitter.
C-Kay made those posts a few months ago, which is still a few months after the helblinde debacle. I guess he was trying to make amends? :P
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Phobz Advanced Member
United Kingdom
893 posts Joined: Jan, 2006
13 hardcore releases
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 12:52:56
Agreed Elipton, Dys7 is making some wonderful music. Keeps getting better and better. Spirit Wolf put a video up of him making an hardcore track and I learned a few things from just watching him. You are also a million times better producer than breeze in my eyes. I can think hands down atleast 20 artists who don't get the recognition they deserve, they are extensively more talented than breeze. Then you hear that piece of shite breeze as put out (sorry I shouldn't be so offensive calling it that but it's not good). It's one of those songs if it's on a cd. I WILL skip it. How the heck that even made it on to Clubland Hardcore is beyond madness. So many great tracks out there that could of put that song to shame.
Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,137 posts Joined: May, 2012
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 13:08:06
Breeze may have had something at one point (perhaps in the Infinity days) but over the last decade or so he's become increasingly irrelevant to hardcore -- to the point where him trying to pose as an authoritative arbiter on what is and isn't hardcore just seems unwarranted, insecure and pathetic.
It's notable that, in the last 10 years at least, every single well-regarded, "classic" track bearing his name was co-produced by at least one person with a set of great solo works to their name. His solo track record, on the other hand, has been forgettable at best. If you wanted to be generous, you could say that he's just an enhancer for much better producers. But, even then, the best Styles solo tracks are up there with the best Styles & Breeze tracks which leaves you wondering what he actually adds to collabs.
In essence, he's dead weight. And there's nothing worse than dead weight trying desperately to stay relevant by riding on the few successes in their past. He also strikes me as the first person who would be out the door if the money in hardcore dried up. I think any real interest he ever did potentially have in hardcore died a long time ago. He's the definition of a hardcore businessman, complete with an attitude of industry protectionism and overwhelming entitlement.
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Elipton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,268 posts Joined: Apr, 2013
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 14:36:09
We've collectively just dismantled one of the most recognizable names in Hardcore as being dead weight and crap at producing. How on earth is it that he is head honcho of a label that encompasses Gammer, DS, Hixxy and others? It's like putting Team Rocket in charge of Apple.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,084 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 14:50:04
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
We've collectively just dismantled one of the most recognizable names in Hardcore as being dead weight and crap at producing. How on earth is it that he is head honcho of a label that encompasses Gammer, DS, Hixxy and others? It's like putting Team Rocket in charge of Apple.
Mind-boggle!
Thumpa isn't exactly a producer either, but he can run his label with no mayor problem. Well he did complain about the poor sales the digital downloads had.
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DJ Hellfury Advanced Member
Austria
2,237 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 15:00:03
maybe he is just good in managing a label while the other big names focus on music production, thats why they trust him and joined his label, instead of doing the unfunny on their own.
yeah, he isnt good in doing tunes on his own since the popular hhc days ended, but he doesnt need to actually, since his label friends can do the job better. would he really stand out with own sound atm.? i doubt it.
Elipton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,268 posts Joined: Apr, 2013
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 15:17:11
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
We've collectively just dismantled one of the most recognizable names in Hardcore as being dead weight and crap at producing. How on earth is it that he is head honcho of a label that encompasses Gammer, DS, Hixxy and others? It's like putting Team Rocket in charge of Apple.
Mind-boggle!
Thumpa isn't exactly a producer either, but he can run his label with no mayor problem. Well he did complain about the poor sales the digital downloads had.
True, Thumpa's not a producer - but he's not dead weight. He's brought some much needed life and activity to Freeform, got new producers involved and relevant to us and is generally probably helping the genre with pushing for slots at Westfest and stuff.
Nevertheless, I think Thumpa sometimes has the same issue as Breeze. He can often mouth off, and as right or wrong as he may be, I think if you're in a position of responsibility like that - at the top of a label, you can look the fool or isolate yourself. When you own a label, you can't go around saying other producers are too unpopular to win awards, or the remixes you received for a remix competition weren't good enough. You begin to alienate yourself from other people who you may at some point need.
Of course, the same can be said for me - which I imagine you're all thinking. However, I don't have a label that commissions and depends on other producers. When you have a leading label, the risk is surely higher. As it goes, I don't exactly have much to lose (pretty much everything I do is free anyway lol)
Rodz90 Average Member
United Kingdom
208 posts Joined: Sep, 2012
Posted - 2013/10/30 : 16:06:11
I think in another thread somewhere its been stated Chris Unknown is perhaps not as good without another major player (such as Sy) working collaboratively.
perhaps it's not the best - but it's certainly not the worst and is an example of two producers that rely on collabs making something that's not half bad.
perhaps it's not the best - but it's certainly not the worst and is an example of two producers that rely on collabs making something that's not half bad.
Actually that tune is completely OK, especially considering the 2 producers involved in it. Certainly believe that Chris Unknown was more of the talent in that track.
Elipton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2013/10/30 : 17:55:34
I actually reckon Sy depended quite a lot on Unknown. Some of his recent tracks have been really good. Take "Hardcore is my life". Very good track. But he's been doing a whole load of stuff even since AATW butchered Bonkers
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