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Samination
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 Posted - 2018/02/04 : 12:17:33
tbh, Hardcore still has alot of anything goes, but because it's not british or dutch, everyone just forgoes it.
I can't say I like a lot of (the truly) J-core, but if anything's "anything goes" today, the japense market is right there
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trippnface
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Posted - 2018/02/04 : 19:42:06
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Originally posted by rafferty:
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Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
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Originally posted by rafferty:
Why would you want him to make dated sounding tracks from a decade ago? Hams album was the freshest sounding hardcore album I have ever bought. Sure it was a lot of money. But he definitely delivered.
I can see your one of of those people that thinks modern UK hardcore has to stay in the tiny box of only what you like. Sped up trance with cheesy vocals from the 2000s. If it is not that, you suddenly declare it not being hardcore.
Hardcore was more than that in the 90s, and it is becoming a lot more than that now with all the new generation of producers comming through. Pushing the boundaries with new and modern ideas.
Either move on, or stay miserable, jaded and narrow minded.
Trying new things is fine, but at the end of the day crap is crap. I haven't heard the Ham album, but most of the new hardcore I have heard is crap.
Well that is all relative to the individuals opinion. Like a load of people who raved back in the 90s would say what you like is total shite.
As for hardcore today, it is way more innovative and better produced than all those hardcore tracks from back in the 2000s. When everything sounded like a trance record pitched up. Was no variety what so ever.
As for Hams new album. Your thoughts are in the small minority. Has had all good feedback on soundcloud. I guess you did'nt like it because it didn't sound like dated hardcore from a decade ago.
Thankfully Ham is smarter than that, and knows how to be creative and push boundaries. While if you made an album, it would be nothing new and just a copy of shit already done to death from the past.
no worries, vibes & hattrixx " more than a decade dated" project will smash Hams... once it comes out.
still on about that sped up trance nonsense dude. seriously hilarious.
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Vladel
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Posted - 2018/02/05 : 10:22:54
Funny because anyone who bought the Ham album would never admit it was overpriced crap.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2018/02/05 : 16:13:14
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Funny because anyone who bought the Ham album would never admit it was overpriced crap.
How are half the site users gunna say next gen/ blatant beats the best label, then talk down on the era of uk hardcore where next gen/ blatant beats dominated. Ham totally neglected to put any style track like that on the new project. I would have been infinitely more impressed with a 4x4 kick, than almost every track being breakbeat dominated. seeing as the vast majority of brisk and ham was 4x4 uk hardcore, I would have imagined that is what people thought they would be paying for, and gladly...
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Samination
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Posted - 2018/02/05 : 16:47:36
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Originally posted by trippnface:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
Funny because anyone who bought the Ham album would never admit it was overpriced crap.
How are half the site users gunna say next gen/ blatant beats the best label, then talk down on the era of uk hardcore where next gen/ blatant beats dominated. Ham totally neglected to put any style track like that on the new project. I would have been infinitely more impressed with a 4x4 kick, than almost every track being breakbeat dominated. seeing as the vast majority of brisk and ham was 4x4 uk hardcore, I would have imagined that is what people thought they would be paying for, and gladly...
Ham's album rarelly sounded like the stuff he released on NG/BB though.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2018/02/05 : 17:58:22
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by trippnface:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
Funny because anyone who bought the Ham album would never admit it was overpriced crap.
How are half the site users gunna say next gen/ blatant beats the best label, then talk down on the era of uk hardcore where next gen/ blatant beats dominated. Ham totally neglected to put any style track like that on the new project. I would have been infinitely more impressed with a 4x4 kick, than almost every track being breakbeat dominated. seeing as the vast majority of brisk and ham was 4x4 uk hardcore, I would have imagined that is what people thought they would be paying for, and gladly...
Ham's album rarelly sounded like the stuff he released on NG/BB though.
that's what im sayin, i think most people would have prefered that style ( **** you rafferty <3 ;) )
we only got 1 track like that, and it was a track he made years ago!
I personally think it was a bit disingenuous on his part..
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Samination
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Posted - 2018/02/05 : 18:19:09
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Originally posted by trippnface:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by trippnface:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
Funny because anyone who bought the Ham album would never admit it was overpriced crap.
How are half the site users gunna say next gen/ blatant beats the best label, then talk down on the era of uk hardcore where next gen/ blatant beats dominated. Ham totally neglected to put any style track like that on the new project. I would have been infinitely more impressed with a 4x4 kick, than almost every track being breakbeat dominated. seeing as the vast majority of brisk and ham was 4x4 uk hardcore, I would have imagined that is what people thought they would be paying for, and gladly...
Ham's album rarelly sounded like the stuff he released on NG/BB though.
that's what im sayin, i think most people would have prefered that style ( **** you rafferty <3 ;) )
we only got 1 track like that, and it was a track he made years ago!
I personally think it was a bit disingenuous on his part..
totally missed that... because I only read the first sentence :P
But yea. Talking about hardcore never changes, and praises it when it goes back to it's roots... very forward thinking. I'll stick to my Japanese sheit
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Posted - 2018/04/27 : 17:43:08
So real talk, how does everyone feel about " most impressive" blowing every track he made for this album out of the water? :P
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2018/04/28 : 19:58:36
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So real talk, how does everyone feel about " most impressive" blowing every track he made for this album out of the water? :P
What?
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Impulse_Response
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Posted - 2018/04/28 : 19:59:49
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by trippnface:
So real talk, how does everyone feel about " most impressive" blowing every track he made for this album out of the water? :P
What?
I think he means this.
https://kniteforce.bandcamp.com/album/kf78-dj-ham-most-impressive-ep-presale
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Skidzorz
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Posted - 2018/04/28 : 21:15:52
No surprise there - Lniteforce/KFA are the only labels putting out consistently good shit. I haven't bought a HU company since late 2015/early 2016 and any other compa outside of them since early 2010's. J-Core labels are putting out good shit but I worry about HC as a whole ..
Who were the last "big names"? F&D? And that was almost a decade ago that they became viable on their own/could sell out events .. We haven't had any new names since then that could take over the mantle once the old guard leaves.
Even this forum is proof of that .. Like HC itself this place hasn't had new members in ages. Even when social media became a thing this forum still survived, even as other forums of all kinds were closing down at an alarming rate, because people were still invested and it gave them a place to congregate. Now that the genre is turning people off and we have no new posters this place has become more and more dead, and if all the current members who keep this place afloat get turned off by the genre, and we don't get any new producers to keep the genre alive .. Ugh :(.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2018/04/28 : 22:14:50
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Originally posted by Skidzorz:
No surprise there - Lniteforce/KFA are the only labels putting out consistently good shit. I haven't bought a HU company since late 2015/early 2016 and any other compa outside of them since early 2010's. J-Core labels are putting out good shit but I worry about HC as a whole ..
Who were the last "big names"? F&D? And that was almost a decade ago that they became viable on their own/could sell out events .. We haven't had any new names since then that could take over the mantle once the old guard leaves.
Even this forum is proof of that .. Like HC itself this place hasn't had new members in ages. Even when social media became a thing this forum still survived, even as other forums of all kinds were closing down at an alarming rate, because people were still invested and it gave them a place to congregate. Now that the genre is turning people off and we have no new posters this place has become more and more dead, and if all the current members who keep this place afloat get turned off by the genre, and we don't get any new producers to keep the genre alive .. Ugh :(.
Agreed. HU tries hard ( <3) but the direction and way things went is just really too bad. The desire for growth of the scene became swallowed up by ultra commericial elements of edm at large, and it has just gotten worse & worse basically. I get commericial elements have played a roll for a long time, I suppose the music scene as a whole just got alot worse. Look at rap and the mumble rappers lol.
Kniteforce doesn't have to follow the ******** elements of modern hardcore, and can produce hardcore when hardcore was serious hardcore. It is seriously refreshing and imo the only hope for the hardcore scene, full 90's redo/rebirth.
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