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Dave Tee
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 Posted - 2007/03/19 : 21:43:44
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
the mixing in this one is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUo_aj2ZWog
hahaha the start is brilliant !!!!!
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Ravine
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 03:17:21
I'll be first to admit i'm not the best DJ on the planet. The only reason i made those videos was to stop people listening to Rankin crap and thinking that's real hardcore and giving it to them straight with the UK and Happy stuff.
It worked though so i'm happy!
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DarkMain
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 03:24:27
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
the mixing in this one is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUo_aj2ZWog
The Camera angle on that just sux. I didn't even bother watching the video.
Keep in mind that this type of music back in 1992 was structured differently to the stuff thats coming out right now. It makes for easer and longer mixes... Hell you could pull out the whole 'Jeff Mills' 3+ Turntable styles with that.
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DarkMain
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 03:29:28
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Originally posted by Ravine:
I'll be first to admit i'm not the best DJ on the planet. The only reason i made those videos was to stop people listening to Rankin crap and thinking that's real hardcore and giving it to them straight with the UK and Happy stuff.
It worked though so i'm happy!
Q.F.T... +1... and all that.
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Cotts
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 07:36:15
I agree somewhat. The music is more 'full' now than it was back in the classic days. There is more going on especially melody wise with trancey style riffs.
Yes it is possible to fit more tracks in but I dont think the best mixes are always the ones that cram as much material in a tiny space. Sometimes its nice to listen to the track.
I do see what your trying to say a lot of mixing is great, but I feel as though it has more place in turntabilism than hardcore
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 14:34:52
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Originally posted by Dave Tee:
I want to see someone do a 10minute BCN mix, people saying getting through 3 or 4 tracks in 10 minutes is impressive.... balls.... Haston would get through about 20 records lol 
Seriously - he needs to record a video mix. People would just be sitting at their PC in awe :P
For anybody who doesn't know - Haston plays like 3 tracks at once and it's all super tight and his cuts are perfect. He's basically a master.
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Originally posted by Cotts:
I agree somewhat. The music is more 'full' now than it was back in the classic days. There is more going on especially melody wise with trancey style riffs.
Yes it is possible to fit more tracks in but I dont think the best mixes are always the ones that cram as much material in a tiny space. Sometimes its nice to listen to the track.
I do see what your trying to say a lot of mixing is great, but I feel as though it has more place in turntabilism than hardcore
It was easier to play a shitload of tracks with the older stuff but this isn't 92 stuff, it's like 95-96.
When I play out I generally play alot more tracks than when I record mixes. I'll play about 5-6 in 10 minutes on average. And when I play out I generally play the really upfront stuff 90% of the time and throw in a few goodies here and there.
Out of the video mixes I saw Cotts' was the best because there were alot of tracks played and generally most of the mixing was decent - the thing is that most tracks weren't released so I assume you were playing off compilations (which is weird).
The weird thing is that none of you hold your mixes long enough - it's creative what you do and it sortof works but it doesn't showcase your mixing ability much and it would probably kill my flow at a rave IMO.
I need to find a camera and get my dj gear back from a party I left it at hehe
It's not that hard to mix on the first break of new trancy stuff, as long as you've got tracks that work together.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 16:20:11
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
For anybody who doesn't know - Haston plays like 3 tracks at once and it's all super tight and his cuts are perfect. He's basically a master.
Chris B sent me a two of Haston's sets about a week ago, the guys pretty amazing. I'd love to see him mixing live.
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Chris B
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 17:31:26
Nice to see people appreciating hastons stuff, been on about they guy for years as have a few folks and slowly but surely i think people are realising how underrated the guy is.
Not to get at you Cotts cos the mixing was tight, but a 10 minute mix of kinda similar records with some cutting cant be called inspirational or amazing. You are good but need to do longer sets and mash up the styles a bit more imo.
And totally agree Mortis would love to see a 3 deck session of Haston, or some of the spanish masters like Pastis and Buenri or Javi Tracker.
At minute i think the lads playin out in durham a lot but unfortunately the club only has a two deck setup.
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 17:36:43
Full 1 hour 3 deck makina set 
Video Dj Sepi live @ Xque 20-8-05
http://www.djjaxon.com/other/3_deck_video.txt
(the forum wont let me paste the link properly cause there is an "@" in the link so the forum thinks its an email address. go to the link above and copy and paste the link from that page into your browser
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Chris B
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 17:37:26
Sorry missed this post before i replied.
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Originally posted by Cotts:
The music is more 'full' now than it was back in the classic days. There is more going on especially melody wise with trancey style riffs.
Balls i hate uk hardcore been compared to trance, trance is actually good. Oldschool can be simple agreed but not all of it by far, nice phat kickdrums straight out an 808 or 909 and stabs, pianos etc sounds warm and full to me.
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Yes it is possible to fit more tracks in but I dont think the best mixes are always the ones that cram as much material in a tiny space. Sometimes its nice to listen to the track.
Agreed a lot of megamixes disapoint me for this reason, there cool in a way but a variation of long and short mixes is always nice and some tunes are that good you need to play the whole thing.
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I do see what your trying to say a lot of mixing is great, but I feel as though it has more place in turntabilism than hardcore
Balls again turntablism in hardcore is amazing, doesnt mean necessarily ccutting out all the song but mashing up diff tunes with some on 45 and allsorts on 3/4 decks sounds feckin amazing.
Is very hard to do so only a select few dj's can do but give me a haston or kutski playin the same tunes as any other dj and to me they can make them interesting even if i normally think there shit.
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Chris Goldfinger
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 17:49:15
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Originally posted by Chris B:
very hard to do so only a select few dj's can do but give me a haston or kutski playin the same tunes as any other dj and to me they can make them interesting even if i normally think there shit.
2nd that!! Kutski ****ing amazing!
Quick mixing is good if done right but just cause u can beat match then cut the record in don't make it good!! Most times i have heard this i jsut think WTF!!
Anyone that knows the music they play should be albe to beat match quick but sometimes there is just so much going on in the song that if you try mixing in another tune it just sounds shit! It don't matter the beats are in time it sounds SHIT
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Mortis
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 18:24:11
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Originally posted by Chris Goldfinger:
Quick mixing is good if done right but just cause u can beat match then cut the record in don't make it good!! Most times i have heard this i jsut think WTF!!
Anyone that knows the music they play should be albe to beat match quick but sometimes there is just so much going on in the song that if you try mixing in another tune it just sounds shit! It don't matter the beats are in time it sounds SHIT
Well said, quick mixing is as much about knowing your tracks as it is about beatmatching. I can quick mix, but most of the time I prefare to let the whole track play through as thats how it was made to be heard, not just a 2 minute section from an album. The only reason people try to quick mix is because albums in recent years have been quick mixed (for the most part), so alot of people try to imitate the CD's, no originality.
Which brings me to Chris B's point about turntabalism, very well said mate.
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Dave Tee
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 18:36:06
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Originally posted by Jax:
Full 1 hour 3 deck makina set
Video Dj Sepi live @ Xque 20-8-05
http://www.djjaxon.com/other/3_deck_video.txt
(the forum wont let me paste the link properly cause there is an "@" in the link so the forum thinks its an email address. go to the link above and copy and paste the link from that page into your browser
Nice one 
I thought it was gonna be an hour of him patting his dog but the tunes are kickin in now
*edit* wow... this is fan-****in-tastic !!!
I got my first base + melody kick off the other day - both tunes broken down with no beat and when the beat kicks in on the melody track it kicks in on the bass as well - and it feels amazing!!
Thats just 1, imagine doin a whole set of them.... gotta keep practicing
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 19:11:32
No worries mate, Ive had a base track going over a tune and its an awsome feeling / sound. Ive no idea how id manage to do it for an hour though, it took me 10 minutes to set one mix up lol! Olny got two decks aswell 3rd doesnt come till next week, Have you noticed not all base tracks are made from 32 bars? The only way i could get it to work properly is by dropping the base track in when the tune kicks in
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Dave Tee
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Posted - 2007/03/20 : 19:20:34
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Originally posted by Jax:
No worries mate, Ive had a base track going over a tune and its an awsome feeling / sound. Ive no idea how id manage to do it for an hour though, it took me 10 minutes to set one mix up lol! Olny got two decks aswell 3rd doesnt come till next week, Have you noticed not all base tracks are made from 32 bars? The only way i could get it to work properly is by dropping the base track in when the tune kicks in
Yeh I assumed that the bass tracks would just be continous so you could drop them at any point and it wouldn't matter where, but they're actually songs in there own right, with break downs, build up etc.
I used to do what you said there but the other day I was taking both tunes to where they kick in, them playing them backwards to work out the proper cue points. It took about 2 or 3 goes to get it sorted out but I now know where to start from and it works perfect every time.
Its weird 'cos over the melody track (Dj Kurt - Rock Ya Hardcore) I have to start the bass on the 9th beat and then they just go along together nicely for about a minute before both kicking back in at the same time.
I wish I could develop it more but at the moment I only have 1 needle so I have to play one song on my cdj and Rock Ya Hardcore is about the only tune I have on cd lol
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