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whispering
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 Posted - 2003/11/19 : 11:49:51
I have to do a school "project", dont know the word for it, but i have to go infront of our class and talk about something for 15 minutes... I thought that if i do about Hardcore, i could use half of the time just playing tunes :)
and coz i have already some knowledge about it, i can do most of it from my
memory (dont have to read notes etc). But my Hardcore knowledge isnt no where near complete, so if you could answer these questions, it would be really be helpful...
1. The history, i'm going to do a time line (or something like that), and show a clip from each style. I'm mainly gonna consentrate on happy hardcore, so what genres should i introduce?
I personally would want to add these:
oldschool, (mid 90's) happy hardcore, makina (where did this genre come from?), "dutch" hardcore (gabber), speedcore (coz its the fastest, so i think i should mention it) and the new stuff (what genre names should i use?). I thought that i first tell about all the genres (from mid 90's) and then talk about the new stuff... and the clips, what would be good tunes to use in the genres?
When did the scene almoust die? when did it come back?
How it came back? Was oldskool hardcore the very first hardcore genre?
2. "Kandy ravers" as far as i know, they are the only hhc fans that have a "culture" of some kind, so would like to know something about them. Coz it may be that someones going to ask about it.
3. Events: ive never been in one, i would like to show a 2-3min clip from an event, the Hardcore Heaven DVD's are full of interviews, and doesnt really show the event for longer then 1 min periods... So if anybody has longer clips from any event, could you send one for me via internet? please :)
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Sean Apollo
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Posted - 2003/11/19 : 15:58:45
I don't have the awnsers to the questions. But I think its cool that you are doing a speech on hardcore. I did somthing like what your doing last year, but it was overall about electronic music. It's good to do becasue people don't know anything about it and are intrested in things they don't know anything about. Let me know how it goes.
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Lixx
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Posted - 2003/11/19 : 17:24:25
For a timeline I would start back in 88-89 with some acid house to kinda show where it grew out of, then go through big piano old skool like Sweet Harmony, then to darker 92-93 style stuff show you can demonstrate how varied the scene was at the time. Around late 93,94 the darkest part of hardcore split off and became jungle essentially, and is also when hardcore started becoming the happy hardcore that most people recognize as the stereotypical hhc sound. You should probably mention something about the harder sounds of trancecore, now freeform, introduced around 96, how it still exists today and such. The near death of hardcore was around 98-99 I've gathered, but it was before I got into the scene so you should really get some more input. I don't think the comeback really got any steam until 2001, which I would say was probably the biggest transition period, given the variation of the records being released at the time (that's when I started collecting). I would say the current scene (UK Hardcore) essentially is from 2002 onward. But even all that would just be covering the UK scene; the dutch, spanish and US hardcore scenes were pretty unrelated so you'll have to find another source for info on that. I think candy ravers are mostly an american thing, but I'm not too sure about that either. It's really too bad bassquake is gone, that probably could've helped you a lot with the history stuff; my version is just what I've read and all the music I've heard around the internet and such organized to the best of my brain's capability. 15 minutes actually doesn't seem like nearly enough time to go through it all, you'll probably have to just jump around.
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Posted - 2003/11/19 : 17:31:09
YAY U for choosing hardcore for ur topic very interesting ull definitly get top marks for it!!
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silver
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Posted - 2003/11/19 : 21:51:01
Lixx pretty much covered the time line, except I would keep the fact that oldskool breaks turned into hardcore breakbeat which is also still around.
I would say hardcore died around 99 and came back Nov 2001 (HappyHardcore.com membership really jumped here), why did it die? Not many people know this but the biggest hardcore buyer in the world closed around 98 (they use to buy half of the hardcore records in the world)... So labels basically went from selling okay numbers to ho-hum numbers... Producers and labels stopped making hardcore...
What made it come back? I would say 6 things, HappyHardcore.com, Ush, Next Generation / BB, MasterWax, HectTech and Raver Baby.... when everyone else had given up they put their own money on the line to keep hardcore alive... I know it sounds corny because I put my name in there but I really believe it.
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Posted - 2003/11/19 : 22:17:10
Ooh! Do a tour and come to ADELAIDE where they still think anything happy and bouncey is DEAD!
.. just u wait til i get turntables and force it upon them!!!MWAHAHA
ANybody wanna donate some cash to the "Turntables for Gav fund?" ~ If you don't, you could be to blame for the demise of happy hardcore!
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Posted - 2003/11/19 : 22:25:07
http://www.epidemik.com/features/articles/history_hardcore_rave.htm
this is more about old skool, but you may find it interesting
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Romney
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Posted - 2003/11/19 : 22:28:54
Best of luck! You could talk for hours on the subject. Wonder if your teacher will understand hardcore!
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Posted - 2003/11/20 : 19:34:21
what a great subject to talk on, i could talk for years about how great hardcore is, hehe.
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Posted - 2003/11/24 : 10:42:41
i'd play these tunes if i was demonstratin the hardcore sound to a class
oldskool: bizzarre inc - playin wit knives
midnineties breakbeat: the fat controller - in complete darkness
gabber: pino d'ambina - up & down ballz [buzzy goes bzrk mix]
makina: ponti aeri - flying free or dj konik - russians
cheese: Bang - shooting star
darkcore: scott brown - joints to rock
hardcore trance:dougal & gammer - rock this place
speedcore: temper tantrum - i get the coke [though you might get suspended for playin that one!]
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Posted - 2003/11/24 : 12:24:06
Need anything on the kandi kid culture? I could help. I did the rave scene for my English Extension 2 Major Work.
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whispering
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Posted - 2003/11/24 : 13:55:04
Ok i've gotten this far...
1.Start: First just somehow shortly introduce the topic.
2.Genres (Say something about the genre, and after that play a short clip from the genre):
Some of the genre names are not really genre names, but i cant just call everything Hardcore :)
Oldskool: Sweet Harmony or Playing With Knives, dont know much about this, so ill just go with your suggestions.
Gonna say how it splitted to diffrent "styles", or something like that...
Happy Hardcore: probably Triple J - Eternity not sure yet.
Makina: Dont have Makina CD's, although i have some tunes from DJ Depath's site.
Happy Gabber: DJ Paul - Ik Haat Je! (Not sure if this is happy gabber? nor is it old, but still...)
Gabber: I thought Speedfreak - Let The Attack Begin! would be good?
Speedcore: Dont have any and didnt find any clips :(
Gonna say it almoust died and came back (coz of the reason Silver sayd)
Nu Happy Hardcore: Misono - Konomama or Scott Brown - Turn Up The Music. If i play Misono i could kind of show JHardcore the same time.
Trancy Happy Hardcore: Maby Adam Harris - Heavens Above (Hixxy Remix)
Trancy Hardcore: Probably something from Plus System
Freeform: Maby Brisk & Fade - Get Down
Nu Style Gabber: Maby E-Noid - Hellparty
3."Rave scene" (If i can get some help on this one, i'm gonna say something about it):
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Originally posted by white_rabbit:
Need anything on the kandi kid culture? I could help. I did the rave scene for my English Extension 2 Major Work.
So if you could help me on this one, i would be REALLY grateful 
I would just need to do a short overview, nothing special...
4.End: Just gonna say something stupid and play a 1-2min clip from some event (probably Hardcore Heaven, coz
i dont have any other clips)
So what do you think? wrong tunes? Too stupid genre names?
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Posted - 2003/11/24 : 14:51:59
for the trancey hardcore i would definetly go for dougal and gammer rock this place- absolutely amazing!!! makina is basically boucy spanish hardcore but sometimes german italian and even french stuff gets classed as makina as they pretty much have the same feel. i cud send u sum makina becoz im a MAKINA NUT!!!
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Posted - 2003/11/24 : 15:10:18
hell uva gud thing to do yer speech on! we had to do 2, i did one on eminem (cus they wudnt let me do hardcore - the whole catholic school business) and the other on eating disorders. i wish id been able to do it on hardcore!! in college last year we (me n my mate) done on for psychology on canabis - our teahcer is a flat out stoner and she let us skin up infront of this class of straight heads and my mate 'showed' how a bong works HA HA HA!!
and u defo shud explain about the rave culture etc... gud plan batman 
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Posted - 2003/11/24 : 20:04:56
I don't really see how you can differentiate between trancy hardcore and trancy happy hardcore. Just pick the best 2003 track you have and call it UK hardcore. Also I might choose something else for the freeform, probably something off of Digital Beatz, Bonkerz or Electronic as they have the most diverse sounding freeform, but that's just me. Another suggestion - see if you can hunt down a clip of Jimi Polo - Better Days for old skool, I forgot how good it was and how many people have ripped the piano part since
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Posted - 2003/11/26 : 12:13:33
quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
Ok i've gotten this far...
1.Start: First just somehow shortly introduce the topic.
2.Genres (Say something about the genre, and after that play a short clip from the genre):
Some of the genre names are not really genre names, but i cant just call everything Hardcore :)
Oldskool: Sweet Harmony or Playing With Knives, dont know much about this, so ill just go with your suggestions.
Gonna say how it splitted to diffrent "styles", or something like that...
Happy Hardcore: probably Triple J - Eternity not sure yet.
Makina: Dont have Makina CD's, although i have some tunes from DJ Depath's site. (wouldn't really spend a lot of time on this one, not a lot of info available. just mostly spanish electronics)
Happy Gabber: Too small- cold bustin' Gabber: I thought Speedfreak - Let The Attack Begin! would be good? yeah, but bounce 'n shake by cixx and the vinyl junk is an extremely good example of olskool gabberSpeedcore: extreme terror - dj skinhead (a lot of clips are available online if you look for them), nyc speedcore - DOA, enter hell - sonic overkill
Gonna say it almoust died and came back (coz of the reason Silver sayd).
(only know about the situation around here in belgium, holland and germany. Involving the semi-persecusion of gabbers by the media)
Nu Happy Hardcore: Misono - Konomama or Scott Brown - Turn Up The Music. If i play Misono i could kind of show JHardcore the same time.
Trancy Happy Hardcore: Maby Adam Harris - Heavens Above (Hixxy Remix)
Trancy Hardcore: Probably something from Plus System old but good, dreamers of dreams (paradizer mix) - Ultra sonic
Freeform: Maby Brisk & Fade - Get Down
Nu Style Gabber: Maby E-Noid - Hellpartygood, also advise anything by tommyknocker, art of fighters, and enzyme (that's darkcore, but who gives, it's kickin' muzic!)
3."Rave scene" (If i can get some help on this one, i'm gonna say something about it):
quote:
Originally posted by white_rabbit:
Need anything on the kandi kid culture? I could help. I did the rave scene for my English Extension 2 Major Work.
So if you could help me on this one, i would be REALLY grateful
I would just need to do a short overview, nothing special...
Only know local gabberscene (again, belgium, holland,...), sorry.
4.End: Just gonna say something stupid and play a 1-2min clip from some event (probably Hardcore Heaven, coz
i dont have any other clips)
again for gabber-raveclips check www.superfeesten.tv and check the archives (site is in dutch)
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