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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2003/11/27 : 17:53:58
hm, not to start up a big argument, but i disagree. with a point that was made earlyer in a differnt thread
"u shud support hardcore or any form of music and not download music u hurt the artists, they dont make music for free u know"
its not just that, its about mp3 downloading in general
you cannot download a piece of vinyl! no matter how hard you try
and if you are a dj, the only way you are going to get the piece of music you want on vinyl - is to buy it that way. vinyl sales arnt effected. thus, it dosnt effect the artist, if anything, it gets there music heard...
if your talking cds, how many happy hardcore songs get released on CD single? (which the artist will make some money) - hardly any, its the dj's who make money on that by Mixing cds, and then in that case, the record companys get most of the money which is hugely dis-proportionate to the money that the artists of the music will get.
in my opinion i would be more proud of having a cd collection of 600 genuine cds than having a cd collection consiting of 600 recorded cds. so if i want a cd, i will buy it...
and when it comes to other forms of music, rock bands only usually make most their money off their tours. the big fat record companys who release there music get most of the cash.
personally
i would make music for the love of it, Not for the cash. besides, most musicians do have other jobs...they dont just survive on the music they write - makes them sound like their hanging on a loose string.
if and when i ever release a track, i want to make sure everybody gets their own free mp3 copy of it, even if it is crap! lol.
hundreds of people in far off place's have been introduced to hardcore and other forms of music they would never have heard of if it wernt for mp3s. its helped spread the word and give smaller producers a chance to get there music heard..
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 18:07:47
i agree totally, i think the only people that complain about mp3/internet coverage of music are the ones already making a hell of a lot of money from legitimate sales. for any new musician mp3's are a free advert for them to get heard and stir up some interest in what they're doing.the only people really making a loss from mp3 coverage are the companies who promote and sell the music of larger artists and are losing a cut of their profit, not dying out because of it.how many people post links to stuff that they're working on on this site? mp3's keep music interesting and give you access to loads more music than you can get from walking into a record store. just an opinion, but LONG LIVE MP3'S!! 
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 18:47:37
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if and when i ever release a track, i want to make sure everybody gets their own free mp3 copy of it, even if it is crap!
that's great!
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i would make music for the love of it, Not for the cash
even better! But if you're releasing this on vinyl, expect to pay about at least $2000 out of your own pocket. Hardcore record labels are lucky to break even on a vinyl release. Much more money is made is from licensing songs to dj mix compilations, which people are bootlegging via mp3.
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 19:42:32
i think people still prefer the original cd, they may have a bootleg for a while, which they downloaded somwhere, but when it comes between buying an original copy which they've heard before hand and getting a copied one, i still think people will go for the original. this is only a personal opinion - i know if i was confronted with an original copie of Bonkers 1 and a copied copy, i would go for the original, they last longer, look better and its somthing to brag about lol.
but as for the ones which never made it...the songs which didnt make a buck...or even the ones that are so old will never get a re-press OR get onto any new albums..
im sure it is better for them to be kicked around on the internet than it is for them to be lost in the sands of time, wasting both the $2000 the artist spent on it and the "love" that went into the tune in the first place...
i still dont think that mp3's are putting a hole into the music industrys side
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 20:04:13
i fully support someone putting their music out there on mp3 for free, but you don't have the right to make that decision for someone else's proprety..
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 20:27:37
now, if only people put it like that there wouldnt be half as much controversy lol.
"this music is mine i dont want people to have it uness they pay for it"
thats very very valid. i agree
seems a bit mean though, even when its not really affecting the money in their pocket - if anything, its letting the DJ's out in japan hear british music (not just hardcore) before they have it shipped as vinyl to japan...just an example.
i myself have spent hundreds of $$'s on vinyl which i would have never of heard if it wasnt for mp3...
seeing as i am from britian originally, i want to keep up to date with the latest tracks
mp3's are no good to me as a dj, but they do a good job of letting me decide which hot new british vinyls i want to spend $$'s on shipping it over here to the US...$$'s which will actually go back into the record companys pocket and into the producer's pocket too, if it wasnt for mp3's i wouldnt be shipping there master pieces over here, putting money into UPS's pocket, and the music producers....
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 20:31:21
thats what so great about mp3 clips on online record shops :) there's a big difference between hearing a track, and owning a bootleg of a track.
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 20:40:56
lol, ok.
im running out of typeing fuel and im scared im gonna start repeating myself so imma hand my towel in and get a beer lol.
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 20:43:08
definatley agree with you there, i think a place to hear mp3's before you buy them is a better deal for everyone than just downloading and "owning" a song free of charge. but downloading's here to stay and i really dont think its going to harm the industry all too much.
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 01:25:07
shaunhurworth: http://Shop.HappyHardcore.com , we have graphics, audio and info on all the new releases... You can listen before you buy.
DjTriquatra: Unless your stupid and sign away those rights you get all the money from tours and publishing rights. How do you think Elvis makes 40 million dollars a year every year without anything getting released (excluding the newer material that just got released)? Publishing rights... the artist gets all of it... well in Elvis' case Elvis' family...
How do you artist get money? Sale royalities and publishing rights... So as you can see the artist gets screwed big time when people download...
Now take into account that hardcore is not the biggest genre in the world... that means if you download hardcore your really hurting the artists and the labels (who are run 99% of the time by the artists!)...
Making a tune and making a living from tunes are two totally seperate things... How do you except people to live off making music if they dont get income from it...
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 04:12:01
silver:except=expect ?
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 07:39:20
grrr... typo :)
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 12:32:03
if you read down the thread, my point was about vinyl mainly..
if i or anyone else downloaded an mp3 of somthing that is out on vinyl (and not on cd, which as virus put, rarely breaks)... then it hasnt affected that producers money, because the only way it was going to get bought is if a DJ buys that vinyl. and a Dj has no use for mp3's when DJing, so he is going to have to buy the vinyl, because you cant download vinyl...
so the vinyl gets bought, the only (main) people who buy vinyl are DJs...but for somthing that dosnt break to cd, its going to stay on vinyl and wont make any money further than vinyl sales...
and my point about making money off tours was about larger bands, Matchbox Twenty for instance, who make most of there money off the tours, not cd sales.
which is why i agree'd with virus's point earlyer when he said
"i fully support someone putting their music out there on mp3 for free, but you don't have the right to make that decision for someone else's proprety.."
if people put it like that insted of the money argument i think it would be taken far more seriously.
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 19:28:50
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
if i or anyone else downloaded an mp3 of somthing that is out on vinyl (and not on cd, which as virus put, rarely breaks)... then it hasnt affected that producers money, because the only way it was going to get bought is if a DJ buys that vinyl. and a Dj has no use for mp3's when DJing, so he is going to have to buy the vinyl, because you cant download vinyl...
Ahhh ... but if a non-DJ downloads a song instead of buying the record (when that's the only format you can buy it in) then the artist *does* lose money. Of course, you can then argue (as I do) that songs should be availabe in other, cheaper and less specialised formats for non-DJ listeners, but that's another debate entirely that I'm not really in the mood to get into (again).
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 22:02:05
lol. maybe company's should be lokoing to get more cd singles out there =). id buy em :)
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Posted - 2003/11/29 : 04:49:59
Look everybody knows mp3's do not have the soundquality replace buying cd's. Yet, downloading mp3's doesn't sound that bad to me. If I really like a song, I'll buy it after I've heard it completely on mp3. Soundclips are bitches, sometimes the quality is appaling, they let you hear a totaly bogus part of the track or you need to get f*ck knows what kinda codecs or additions to your mediaplayer to listen. I say let us download. We'll buy it sooner or later anyway.
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