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GeoPolitix
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 Posted - 2004/01/04 : 19:37:34
Hey!
Ok, I'm very new on the hhc scene and more and more I'm growing to love this stuff. I've been listening for about 2 months or so and it's just sooo much better than all the other c(rap) out there. So this is my first post on this site and I'm wondering if there's a good written history of hhc (or even techno in general) out there and if someone could explain it would be ever more appreciated. Also, If there's anyone else living in the San Frisco area out there, are there any good clubs for minors  ? Being 16 sux...
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CandyAss
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Posted - 2004/01/04 : 21:04:10
History of hardcore you say? We'll, it's pretty complex and I'm probably not the best person to explain it to you. There's a lot of books on how the rave scene started and developed, but they're pretty long and not only about hardcore.
Basically happy hardcore, when it was developing in the early 90s, was a fusion between old skool rave (which is a fusion of house and hip hop), jungle, and rotterdam gabber (a heavier, more "evil" style of hardcore). It's changed a lot over the years and now takes elements from just about every other form of electronic music including trance and techno, but this is usually refered to as trancecore or freeform (which are two different genres too...freeform is a bit better). The stuff formally called happy hardcore is usually called UK hardcore now, and it sounds a lot different for the most part, even though it still has the same elements (often female vocals, piano/synth rolls, fast kick drums, and breakbeats).
It's really a diverse genre and it's been around for about a decade. It's developed a lot and you can really hear the difference for the most part between the old stuff and the new.
It's all awesome though, innit!!?
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CandyAss
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Posted - 2004/01/04 : 21:06:52
Oh yeah, and techno is technically a specific genre of electronic dance music. Just the mass media has grouped it all under techno, but this is only a small percent of electronic music.
Go here: http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html Will explain some of it hopefully :)
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Seany
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Posted - 2004/01/04 : 21:08:58
Except it wasnt happy hardcore in the early early Nineties ,It spawned about '94.
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whispering
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Posted - 2004/01/04 : 21:28:42
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Originally posted by smilee:
Except it wasnt happy hardcore in the early early Nineties ,It spawned about '95.
What, Discoland isnt Happy Hardcore?
EDIT: haha smilee. wait, i'll go search a tune from '93 
EDIT 2: How about Ultra-Sonic "Obsession" ('91) 
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Xenochrome
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Posted - 2004/01/04 : 21:31:30
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Originally posted by GeoPolitix:
If there's anyone else living in the San Frisco area
Welcome to the boards GeoPolitix. Check out http://hardcoreforthepeople.com/. Lots of Cali kids on there.
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BumblesCrew
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Posted - 2004/01/06 : 12:20:05
Here`s a few hardcore definitions:
GABBA: Minimum of 190 bpm, very abusive, satanic, guitars sampled from 80s metal bands, gabba is one of the styles that's guaranteed to scare your parents. The death metal of techno progression and lying somewhere in between Hardcore and Happy Hardcore, Gabba, pronounced "Hubba", means a group or posse. Although not so abundant these days, a quick journey to Scotland or the Netherlands might prove us wrong. Up-tempo, energetic racing hard beats, with lots of big destroyed stabs, often fused with acid, scary vocals. Check out Industrial Strength, Mokum, Midtown and some early Force Inc releases. Tracks like 'Extreme terror' - DJ Skinhead, and 'Bodyhammer' - Speed Freak, as well as locals Nasenbluten and Hellraiser. Some artists include: Delta 9, Rob Gee, Speed Freak and DJ Skinhead. Check out these labels: Shockwave, Industrial Strength, ID&T and Rotterdam(early releases).
SPEEDCORE: Ridiculously fast tempo. Varies from 400bpm +. Intense distortion. Like a progression of gabba. Try 'Lunatic' by Wendy Milan and Speedfreak.
DARKCORE - Purely satanic, and dark. Designed to scare the shit out of people. 'Dominee Dimitri' by De Klootzakken, very '-ist' about everything...
HARDCORE: With stompin' solid old school rave sounds, hardcore picked up on the old techno/rave sounds but at double speed and double the intensity. Originating from Rotterdam and Scotland, hardcore was for the headstrong techno heads that wanted things to go a little harder and faster. Elements of hardcore's sound included distorted drums, harsh synths, and samples of MCs and the crowd to give that live atmosphere simulated in your bedroom. Started off at the more traditional 120-140 BPM then escalated to sit around the 200 bpm mark, but that did not stop the producers from hitting the 300 bpm spot, or even 1000 bpm!! One of the first styles to trademark the technique of speeding up tracks to make your body work harder. Tracks like 'The Future' by Nightraver, Dyewitness, DJ Trevor and MC Cyclone; 'I am the creator' by Dyewitness; 'Now is the time' by Scott Brown were some of the blueprints of the time.
HAPPY HARDCORE: UK oriented with a lot of old school artists creating happier melodies, fluffier vocals and catchy lines. This music is essentially for dancing, overloaded with 'ecstasy' and happy feelings, the kind that makes you want to smile and have a good time. Meant to make you sing along with vocals that were so catchy that they put the sounds on the charts. Slipmatt was one of the head chiefs of the tribe. Tracks like 'Toy Town' by DJ Hizzy and MC Sharky, 'Betterdays/Its not over' by Seduction and Dougal, 'Rainbow in the sky' by DJ Paul Elstak and 'I wanna be a hippy' and 'Passion' by Technohead were highly influential tracks by these recognised artists.
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GeoPolitix
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Posted - 2004/01/07 : 00:30:38
Thanks to all who've replied. Now I don't feel so lost in all this. I'm just getting into it and have appreciated any help I get (there's only one guy at my school who knows what hardcore, not in a sexual sense, is). Well, at least to my knowledge... CandyAss, the link for the guide and explanation has helped a lot http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html and now I get what your name means! It's all becoming soo CLEAR! Also thanx for the explanation BumblesCrew. Very specific, yet seemingly different than how the guy @ http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html puts it... So, thanx a lot and I'm gonna swim around the boards a bit more.
P.S. To anyone who hasn't been to California, it's not the baywatch sunny sandy cleavage surfing image that a lot of international people I've met seem to have. yay HHC
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silver
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Posted - 2004/01/07 : 02:33:29
^^^^ That dance genre guide is all wrong, dont use it!
The guy that made it is in a fairy land and puts tracks into genres that he thinks they should be in and not what they actually are.
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mr bishi
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Posted - 2004/01/07 : 03:32:33
I think ishukrs guide is savage.
Fair enough he seems to hate nearly all forms of electronic music,but there is so many samples up there and his comments even though a fair few are wrong can be quite funny
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nrXic
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Posted - 2004/01/07 : 05:47:08
"The guy that made it is in a fairy land and puts tracks into genres that he thinks they should be in and not what they actually are."
Yeah...and if they wanted it more complete they'd have stuff like Makina and the sounds coming from Japan.
Hmmm...maybe happyhardcore.com could have one? I'm learning flash right now...you'd prolly want a flash pro to do something like that. It could have the history and stuff, and the different subgenres with clips. Any newbie coming to this site, or have no clue what hhc is about would learn from it. Y'know rather than these other people telling them what hardcore is all about.
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pishposh
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Posted - 2004/01/07 : 09:52:38
he's completely biased towards certain genres so that edm guide is all wrong
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silver
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Posted - 2004/01/07 : 11:35:07
I even emailed him a complete hardcore page with audio for him to fix it for the edm guide but he did not include any of it... Yeah we need to make our own.
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