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hy5
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 Posted - 2004/04/27 : 15:12:10
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Just do what ever feels right by yourself.
hear hear mate.I have to agree with ya on this one.All I can say is educate yourself before doing either one on the risks of both of them.That knowledge might save your life.There are a lot of good website's out there that are nither pro nor con extasy that will give you the real story.Don't go to the mass media ones cause a lot of the time they provide false information the effects of E.(premature unproven studies and so forth)
I still have as of yet to find a website that discusses the negative psycological effects of alcohol but being raised around the stuff I know that they certainly leave a lasting effect on your brain and the way you interperate life itself.
I belive that it has an effect of loosening some people up so they become more social.This is fine but then some develop a need for this to become social period.When this occurs it has become a problem and I would reccomend seeking help.To all who said music is their drug of choice I don't believe this applies to you.
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Posted - 2004/04/29 : 23:28:34
IM A BLOODY WOMAN..LOOK..www.faceparty.co.uk/lil_miss_dirrty :):):):)
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hy5
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Posted - 2004/04/29 : 23:40:37
and a cute one at that 
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sexy_Rhi_Rhi
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 Posted - 2004/05/03 : 16:14:57
why fankinoo!!
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pacman
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Posted - 2004/05/03 : 17:30:46
i've always thought this forum really balanced on this issue which is great!
some people above posted about educating themselves on the drugs they are choosing to use, and i thought i might mention two of the best sites around, and i would encourage everyone to go have a read...
http://www.bluelight.nu (great forum covering drugs in a very open manner, some highly educated and knowledgeable people on this site, as well as a great social network)
http://www.erowid.org (database of all chemical substances, their composition, effects, dosage etc)
i got myself into educating myself on drug use, and while i understand i'm still hurting myself in the long term, i'm willing to take that risk because of the enjoyment i get out of it. it doesn't mean i don't get high on the music. but i'm high on the music dancing around my bedroom/kitchen/garage/loungeroom wherever, sitting at my computer when sometimes i have to sit back and shut my eyes and enjoy it or get up and go nuts, so when i go raving i like to be on that other level.
i don't really have a problem with most drugs, and do use many different drugs on different occasions, for different reasons. i don't think though that drugs/alcohol should be listed as two seperate categories. people are harming their bodies and minds with alcohol and then turning around and saying "drugs are bad blah blah blah".
alcohol is a drug, and a harmful one at that. most drug users that i know (maybe an exception because of my background and my encouraging of my friends to be like me) take more care in how much of a substance they're taking, knowing their limits and creating and maintaining a safe mental state and environment than most drinkers i know, who will carelessly drink themselves retarded and wake up in some random place with no recollection of their night.
just stay safe and stay smart, that way you can always have fun and know what you're doing.
that's my 5cents!
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pacman
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Posted - 2004/05/03 : 17:38:49
oh and to add to that. for me personally, and for many people i know, drugs have provided me with a perspective on life that i think has been so good for me in my relationships, aspirations, attitudes and happiness, so much so that i would never take it back, even if i knew it would take a decade off my life. while this may not be a popular way of looking at it, i value my drug taking as something that has developed me as a person, so while i understand that not all people need this kind of enlightenment, don't believe the hype that drugs are negative, because it's not always the case.
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JesterDJ
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Posted - 2004/05/03 : 18:26:51
pac man i gotta say i like your thinkin, that is very thoughtful sutff you got there however, the point about the alcohol thing. if it is said that a small glass of red wine a day is good for you, and that going out for 21 units of any alcohol in a week is tolerable without any permanent effects then comparing it to an equivolent useage of drugs, and the effects it will have, i don't think that it is right to say that the use of alcohol against the use of drugs is the same. basically what i'm saying is, drugs DO harm you more than alcohol, and that is the fact of the matter; whether or not they are taken in controlled amounts, it will still do more damage. i won't be hypocritical however; i go out clubbin with mates and drop pills and stuff but like you, i am aware of the consequences and have made my own choice; people don't have the right to have a go at people like you and me in that case, but then again, people look down worse at a drug addict than they do an alcoholic. this is because when you hear drug addict, the majority of people think: thief to get cash to support an addicition; wrecked in the head etc etc. whilst to say alcoholic, people think nothin more then to say "oh poor fella" and wouldn't consider that their problems with alcohol could compare against that of a drug addict.
right i cannot believe how much i have just written there, and i'm sorry for anyone that is having problems reading through so here is a summary:
drugs = more harmful than alcohol.
views on alcoholics and drug addicts differ - worse view on drugies of course.
wow, two line summary, not bad.
anyway enough shit from me; i'm off for several pints, and a couple of jack and jills 
easy people!!
If pac-man really had an effect on us, we'd all be runnin' round in dark rooms, listening to repetitive music and munching pills!!!
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hy5
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Posted - 2004/05/06 : 23:37:41
alcohol and heroin will both kill you as an addict if you stop.They are also extremely addictive.They also both have a depressant effect on you.So if it looks like a duck walks like a duck and talks like a duck.........
alcohol to me = same level of evil as heroin and the effects on your surroundings are similar.As i said before if you can maintain control over that i will give props but just because its legal does not make it any safer.
Also there is something to say when a drug impairs your judgement before it impairs anything else.To this I will say that b4 I stopped drinking I had moments when I thought I could drive while I was drunk.The alcohol completely clouded my judgement when that decision would have never been made on e or cid (even though I could prolly drive better on them.why waste a roll drivin)I think with these factors combined with the 100000000 to 1 death ratio of alcohol to E are a very supportive argument on which one is more dangerous.Make the choice for yerself but seriously think about the effects and the viewpoints of the people who are alcoholics around you.
The reason I belive that a little bit of alcohol is good for you is due to the fact that it is a poison.Just like how they put a tiny bit of a disease inside immunizations. It boosts your immune system by giving it a small fight in your body.Be careful though as the a poison is still a poison and the amounts that are benificial are so small,About when the buzz hits the damage has already begun.
Also for that matter it seems that no one has really done any studies on wheather or not small amounts of E are good for your body or not and even if someone did find that statement to be true it probably would not be realeased.Also with all the restrictions they place on testing of these drugs it is uncertain weather a study to prove that would ever be allowed let alone funded.I do know that E has enourmous possibility as a psycological tool as it was intended as a therapy drug.The best I can say for alcohol is that it was once used as a anesetic in surgery back like 500 years ago.(many died from it though as it thins your blood as well.)
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mcjutt
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Posted - 2004/05/07 : 20:20:15
I dont realy so em any more but i USED to love it!!!!!
so ****ing wicked dancing till ya drop and feeling happy.
Not these days though get pissed off with pill heads when i drink its vodka red bulls and smirnoff ices.
DO GET ANNOYED at pill heads these days though the majority i like and think i used to be like that the swaety i love everything i love you isnt this the best im so ****ing ****ed and life is AMAZING.
Do me a favour if ya are one of these people .......
**** OFF.
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htid
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Posted - 2004/05/07 : 22:58:22
My opinion is,
Drugs are more dangerous if you take them but not drink.
Alcohol is more dangerous if you drink but not take drugs.
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JesterDJ
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 Posted - 2004/05/08 : 12:41:52
quote:
Originally posted by htid:
My opinion is,
Drugs are more dangerous if you take them but not drink.
Alcohol is more dangerous if you drink but not take drugs.
i'm not sure thats right mate.. surely they'll be worse if u were to mix, just like when u mix drinks ur more likely to end up being ill, same should happen with different types of drugs right? (considering alcohol is a drug and XTC for example is another)
If pac-man really had an effect on us, we'd all be runnin' round in dark rooms, listening to repetitive music and munching pills!!!
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Posted - 2004/05/08 : 12:47:31
............ you're argument seems to be that it's dangerous to do any form of mind altering substance without doing all of the other one's as well.
someone party's hard
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Posted - 2004/05/08 : 19:03:37
I gotta say I can't imagine life now without pills. Im not sayin Im addicted, not at all, but pills have had such a profound effect on my life over the past year. I share a student house with 4 other lads, all of whom were only into rock music when we moved in. They all wanted to try pills, and through a series of amazing E'd up nights I showed them what hardcore is Now they all love it almost as much as I do and regularly come clubbin & raving with me. Every night on pills has been an event in itself, somethin to remember, n I can say that we're all so much closer to each other for doin it- they're like family rather than just m8s. I can hazily remember when alcohol was the drug of choice for a "big" night- that complete inability to dance properly, that "am I gonna puke" feeling, that crap watered down music, God how much do I not miss that?!
Sorry If I'm rambling a bit- I tend to get really passionate about the drugs subject!
Incidentaylly there r more drugs out there than pills- research your subject and have fun! Magic mushrooms r big at the moment, and kinda legal too!
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