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Righteous9
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 Posted - 2004/08/25 : 20:28:41
Yeah, so how do you get permission from each and every label you spin? Just get a DJ Lic.
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Brian K
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Posted - 2004/08/26 : 06:02:55
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
Besides DJ silver does every DJ need to get permission to do anything they do... I mean its all promotions anyways.... Can't I dj for free?
You can dj for money but you can't make money off cds unless you license them. To do that you have to give royalties to every artist on your cd...that's why they leave contact information on the full release of records.
I would suggest next time giving them out for free unless you want the possibility of people taking you to court 
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silver
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Posted - 2004/08/26 : 09:31:37
Yep... spinning for money is fine... Selling mixes is not unless you have permission to do so or they are all your own tracks.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2004/08/26 : 12:14:47
Even if there your own tunes I suppose the goverment will be wanting to extract some of your cash though.
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silver
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Posted - 2004/08/26 : 13:18:52
^^^^ The government does not take anything except sales tax on all music.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2004/08/26 : 13:52:44
Do you not get taxed on anything you make as you would with a regular job?
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steve O
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Posted - 2004/08/26 : 14:08:56
So is this y tapes from the big events were frownd upon??
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2004/08/26 : 14:30:13
Yes I believe record company's started to get upset about this especially when they started making cd packs.
Does anyone know exactly how track liscensing works? Do companys require a lump sum before letting you use it, do they just take royalties or both? Is it a percentage they take or a fixed amount?
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whispering
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Posted - 2004/08/26 : 16:05:25
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
Does anyone know exactly how track liscensing works? Do companys require a lump sum before letting you use it, do they just take royalties or both? Is it a percentage they take or a fixed amount?
You pay for a RIAA type company to licence the CD, you pay a certain prosent from every CD you press, then the RIAA type company forwards the money to the artists. At least with compilations. and yes, before you press the CD's you pay.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2004/08/26 : 16:14:17
^^^^ hmmm, an expensive venture then ^^^^
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Brian K
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Posted - 2004/08/26 : 20:44:05
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So is this y tapes from the big events were frownd upon??
yeah, but those weren't nearly as bad compared to when they started using cds.
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silver
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Posted - 2004/08/27 : 05:52:25
No that is incorrect.... the RIAA type company does not do anything for licenseing, they just handle publishing rights (song writing credits).
So for example.... I made an 80's track called "Come on baby one more time" and released it on hang ten records... the lyrics were... "come on baby one more time... oh baaaaaaby... go go yeah!"
So back in the 80's a CD called Smash hits 84 wanted to put the track on their CD... so smash hits wrote a letter to hang ten records and asked for to include it on Smash hits 84 and offered a 1000 dollar advance of sales and a percentage of the sales of the CD. Hang ten agreed and signed the contract that smash hits wrote and the track was released on the CD.
The smash hits CD was played on the radio and parts of the tracks were displayed on the TV ad. The broadcasting networks (the radio station and hte TV station) make a report on what music they play on TV a submit it ot the RIAA type company... The RIAA company then creates an invoice for the radio stations and TV companies - that money is publishing money and goes ONLY to the songer writer... the person that make the song (not the copyright holder).
The smash hits CD sold over 100,000 copies, so smash hits have to report that fact to the RIAA type company and send them some money for the publishing which goes to the artists. In Japan it is 6% of sales and the RIAA company only takes 6% of that 6% (so that is tiny). Smash hits still have to pay hang ten a percentage of sales (as per the contract) - so smash hits pay hang ten records who then in turn pay me because I wrote the song.
now fast forward to 2004....
DJ FatSticker wants to do a remix of "Come on baby one more time"... so he powers up his sampler and samples the orginial track... Now two things have to happen before he can release this track.... Because he used the original recording he has to write a letter to Hang ten records and ask if he can use the original sample... Sometimes the labels says yes... sometimes the labels will ask for some money... DJ FatSticker also has to goto the RIAA type company and report that he is using the orginial words "Come on baby one more time"... This is normally free as well.
DJ FatSticker new track gets played on the radio, the radio pays the RIAA type company who then pays the orginial artist NOT DJ FatSticker.
DJ FatSticker's new single sells 10,000 copies. DJ FatSticker will get all the sales royality but not the publishing which goes to the orginal artist again.
Next....
DJ ThinSticker also wants to remix the now classic track "Come on baby one more time"... he gets a new vocalist to sing the exact same song using the same words... Now he only has to do one thing here... goto the RIAA type company and report that he is using the orginial words "Come on baby one more time"...
DJ ThinSticker's new single sells 20,000 copies. DJ ThinSticker will get all the sales royality but not the publishing which goes to the orginal artist yet again.
As you can see... in the long term... remixing and redoing of tracks makes the original artist alot of money. Hence why trance remixes of hardcore tracks are are good thing for the artists.
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