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hooverlover
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 Posted - 2004/09/27 : 19:49:55
what do you predict for Bonkers XIII you guys?
it's not long now!!!
I reckon it will be the second best of the late bonkers series (8-13) first place being 9 of course (well in my opinion)
i also think the cover will have some sort of halloween theme.
and scott's mix will be the same as ever with the last quarter of the mix being gabba. but who thinks dougals tunes will all be raverbaby ones?
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clarke101
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 Posted - 2004/09/27 : 20:18:38
^^^ i think dougal will play some Essential Platinum
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capone13
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 Posted - 2004/09/27 : 20:19:02
I think Bonkers 13 will beat Bonkers 12, should be interesting.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2004/09/28 : 05:05:51
I'm considerably less optimistic, than you lot.
Bonkers 12 was exactly what the scene needed at that point, the RB bias worked and paved the way for a more diverse and marketable follow up. I remain unconvinced this is, in fact, going to be the case.
Expect a near total freeze out of any and all new producers/labels, which is pretty much exactly the opposite to what I had hoped for. Sharkey CD excluded of course!
I'm not particuarly anticipative, I have to say, the phrase "wasted opportunity" echoes through my mind whenever I think about it.
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slavetomysoundwave
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Posted - 2004/09/28 : 10:47:37
quote:
Originally posted by clarke101:
i think dougal will play some Essential Platinum
yeah, of course he will...there won't be much RB in his mix.
I'm personally looking forward to the next one more than ever, simply because Dougal is going to be on there! I also didn't enjoy the BnS mix on 12 at all.
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Originally posted by CDJay:
the RB bias worked...
...Expect a near total freeze out of any and all new producers/labels
how can you say that when, as you said, there was such an RB bias on 12? Ok, Dougal may well play a large number of tracks released on Essential Platinum, but at least it's better to have one CD RB, one CD EP, rather than 2 RB CDs!
(Breeze and Styles are shite anyway, I can't understand how they got on 12 when there's so many other, better DJs around - I guess it just depends who your friends are!)
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CDJay
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Posted - 2004/09/28 : 11:10:56
What I said was entirely accurate, IMNSHO, Breeze & Styles were the best choice for THAT particular Bonkers. The proof being in the sales, and retailers that stocked it.
However, my singular reservation was simply that it was only a good choice assuming the next Bonkers was used to showcase a shade more diversity. Consider Bonkers 12 to be laying the foundations.....
It's not about what DJ is mixing it, per se, it's simply about representation of the scene. I maintain that while bonkers SHOULD be a showcase for the top-tier, it is critical beyond measure that new talent is given a break.
Alas, I see no evidence of that this time out. There are so many excellent tracks, from promising producers, and they simply aren't getting the recognition or support they not only deserve but as a scene we should demand.
I suppose it could be said I'm being a shade premature, I haven't after all seen the tracklistings for any of the CDs. Despite that, I remain fairly convinced I am right in my musings....
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slavetomysoundwave
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Posted - 2004/09/28 : 13:21:08
CDJay, if you're not already there you should get into the promotion game! You seem to have it all sussed out! I see your point, at least from a sales / promotion of the scene point of view - now that Bonkers has captured a pile of new fans, the new one should showcase talent from accross the board: new as well as seasoned producers, a multitude of lables and styles etc. You have a good point, but do you think the inclusion of Dougal will neccesarily ruin this oppertunity more than having somebody else? Which other DJ would you have on 13?
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CDJay
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Posted - 2004/09/28 : 14:20:26
I won't go neaaaar promoting ( if you mean events ) there are lots of people doing it right already, I'd just like to see some slightly more daring and imaginative line-ups from the larger events. Uproar and HTID are taking tentative steps, and it's noted + appreciated.
Bonkers 13 would be likely have been much better if it had been Dougal AND Gammer, Gammer is known for playing diverse and interesting sets and it would have made for a far more credible CD IMO. Dougal could have covered the commercial RB/EP side, and Gammer could have brought some upfront stuff from new producers, and hit some other underrepresented styles ( some breaks perhaps ).
I remain mildly optimistic that 2005 will see some changes that will ultimately keep this scene healthy, here's hoping tis not misguided.
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clarke101
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Posted - 2004/09/28 : 14:43:40
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
I won't go neaaaar promoting ( if you mean events ) there are lots of people doing it right already, I'd just like to see some slightly more daring and imaginative line-ups from the larger events. Uproar and HTID are taking tentative steps, and it's noted + appreciated.
Bonkers 13 would be likely have been much better if it had been Dougal AND Gammer, Gammer is known for playing diverse and interesting sets and it would have made for a far more credible CD IMO. Dougal could have covered the commercial RB/EP side, and Gammer could have brought some upfront stuff from new producers, and hit some other underrepresented styles ( some breaks perhaps ).
I remain mildly optimistic that 2005 will see some changes that will ultimately keep this scene healthy, here's hoping tis not misguided.
CDJay
Some nice breakbeat would be nice, but dont think it will happen.
I know its about sales hence i think the B+S cd on 12. Some variation would be nice. Scott Browns will probably be 8 of tracks some Quosh and some gabber with some other tracks thrown in. Sharkey will have some nice freeform with a few less well known producers on i would think. Hixxy will be the trancey raver baby sound. Dougal i would think will be the type of sound ep are doing or the direction their going.
I don't see me buying as i havn't got 12 yet.
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m_j
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Posted - 2004/09/28 : 20:25:45
i was disappointed to hear dougal was mixing the 4th cd as i prefer my hardcore to be hard. ill be looking foward to sharkeys cd but i think im going to have to get the blank cds out and take my pic of 5 songs off each of the other 3 cheesy pieces of plastic. hixxy will be doing his usual trance with hopefully a few more tunes like c.o.n. thrown in, dougals mix will wreak of cheese with gammer hopefully saving the day by helping dougal produce some of the great tunes the two have done together. and apart from the gabber i think scott brown has gone too melodic. his mix on B12 bores the sh1te out of me! on B9 he had some very melodic tunes on there but neck breaker, like an angel, def. of a badboy, turn up the music etc, just had that raw driving energy in the riffs and basslines that just makes you punch the air like a loon. B11 and especially B12 really lacked that energy that i love about hardcore music, ok they make you nod your head but thats not enough IMO. I would have loved to see a bit more HARDcore, a bit more freeform and a bit of breakbeat included and the only big hardcore djs i can see doing this are brisk & ham. maybe then out of the four cds we could have
hixxy - 1 trance
sharkey - 1 freeform
scott brown - 2/3 trance - 1/3 gabber
brisk & ham - 1/3 trance - 1/3 freeform - 1/3 breakbeat
that makes 2cds of trance, 1 1/3 freeform, 1/3 breaks, 1/3 gabber which is a decent mix but on B13 i think its going to be 2 2/3 trance, 1 freeform, 1/3 gabber, and im starting to get a bit tired of the trance so i dunno if the new cd is going to apeal to me that much
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DJ Mouse
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Posted - 2004/09/28 : 20:58:49
as far as predictions go as to how good the compilation will be i'm gonna miss this one out. bonkers 10 was predicted to be the mutts nuts and it never happened. so everyone thought hardcore was going downhill again and expected bonkers 11 to be a load of crap when it turned out to be good. these days you just cant tell any more whether it's going to be good or not.
i'm glad tho about dougal returning to bonkers,his sets lately have been impressive. he wouldnt have been my first choice of 4th dj tho. maybe someone a little less known who can showcase the rest of the hardcore out there?
coz at this rate everyone's gonna think the tunes all sound the same and will get bored of hardcore like last time. there's too many producers out there making a fresh sound that rips up the dancefloors,and none of the dj's on bonkers (bar sharkey) will dare touch or listen to coz they're too interested in their own material. and to even stand a chance of getting on sharkey's cd it has to be freeformy,no uplifting vocals or anything like that. that aint a dig it's just his style,and everyone should credit him for looking for something fresh all the time. at least someone's doing it
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whispering
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Posted - 2004/09/28 : 21:30:55
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
There are so many excellent tracks, from promising producers, and they simply aren't getting the recognition or support they not only deserve but as a scene we should demand.
I totally agree there, and as a person who doesnt have a turntable its sad that they dont get to any compilations, coz it makes it for me really hard to find them. BUT Bonkers is the compilation for UK Hardcore, it represents the best tunes from the best labels, not the best tunes from the scene (Witch IMO is a shame). I dont expect Bonkers to do everything, there are other compilations too. Witch brings us to a much bigger problem, why does 95% of the compilations try to compete with Bonkers? This makes every ****ing CD have 50% same tunes, with the same DJ's? While i hear constantly new tunes being posted on the news, and dont hear from them ever again. I am going to get a turntable when i get the money, but by then all the tunes that are on my wantlist atm, will be sold out and very hard to find. Yay...
Also, something to think about, if the CD has 50 tunes, 10 of them are from Evolution, Scott gets 20% of the artist royalties... Is there a "cartell" by the "big" names?
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