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zelachang
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 Posted - 2004/12/15 : 01:07:10
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Originally posted by slavetomysoundwave:
... Most people have heard of Bonkers from the older days, so already have an opinion of it - which is usually not good.
Hardcore needs to break away from that image. I realise that this is already happening, which is a good start. The name "happy hardcore" is being replaced with just "hardcore". Dispite the fact that I love the happy prefix, I think that hardcore needs to get rid of it - losing "happy" will help lose the bad tag that the genre has. Bonkers is another thing to think about - it too keeps the old image going. I know a lot of people that used to be hardcore/Bonkers fans but won't even buy the new Bonkers releases because of the image they have. Thats not good. Its tough to even the consider the possibility of discontinuing it because I'm such a big fan but maybe that would be good for the scene. Any opinions?
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well, I live in the US so things are a lot different here
I started listening to hardcore maybe a year ago when I found that there was a hardcore channel on DI and was instantly hooked. I went out to Amazon and bought some cd's, they being Bonkers X, Hardcore Heaven, and Hardcore till I Die. Bonkers for me was a blessing since I was new to the scene and didnt know what to expect and it gave me not just freeform or gabba but just plain hardcore. I think if we want this scene to grow, we need fresh listeners and here in the US we need stuff like Bonkers that gives listeners a wider range of music.
I try to promote hardcore to my friends (im pretty sure at least 95% of the people in the US have never heard of hardcore) and some really like it, just that theyd never listened to anything outside the US, much less hardcore from Europe or Japan. I found Bonkers was a great way to get them started. If the first thing they hear is Bonkers and I tell them all of Bonkers is hardcore, well heck, they only know one name for this type of music. Now I dont mind if the name changes from Bonkers to another name but I think the concept of Bonkers needs to stay. Either that or DJ's need to start releasing cd's that are mixed with all sorts of tracks. I know I'm going to share the RV2 mix I got the other day cause its just hardcore.
Hardcore has a lot of potential here in the US I think. If the DJ's and producers keep producing hardcore, well I'll keep my end of the deal to promote hardcore and simply hardcore to the unknowing masses.
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Sean Apollo
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Posted - 2004/12/15 : 01:38:41
That was amazing...
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silver
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Posted - 2004/12/15 : 07:20:47
ryg0r: it's all hardcore :)
zelachang: what a wicked story, glad our radio station tuned you onto hardcore :)
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kkillersynthetikk
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Posted - 2004/12/15 : 08:18:23
I totally agree, but I do have a question...
If Happy Hardcore, Freeform, Happy Gabber and what we call Old Skool Hardcore in the US (Happy Breaks in Germany) takes on the name of just Hardcore, then what will we call the likes of Delta 9, Ron D. Core, Tron, Dj Fist**** (Speedfreak), Lenny Dee, Mark N, and so on. That too, would be just hardcore. Don't get me wrong, I like the really hard **** your brains out with a broken beer bottle newcastle speedcore as much as I like cheesy rainbow in the sky 4-beat fantasy happycore. In fact, when people ask me what I listen to, I usually just respond Hardcore Techno. However, this being mainly a Happy Hardcore forum, I'm not sure everyone here realizes how far the Hardcore Style varies from Bonkers artists or even the newer shit out of Rotterdam (i.e. Neophyte et. al.). If everyone were to adopt calling all styles of hardcore as one and the same, the very name of this site would have to change and this forum would not be complete without threads about Nasenbluten and Micropoint, to name a few.
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slavetomysoundwave
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Posted - 2004/12/15 : 11:15:49
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Originally posted by zelachang:
Bonkers for me was a blessing since I was new to the scene and didnt know what to expect and it gave me not just freeform or gabba but just plain hardcore.
Yeah, thats a good point - Bonkers does cater for all styles of hardcore, which is a good thing as it lets any new listener hear everything on offer, B13 especially. Its not that I have anything against the Bonkers line-up - I don't think Resist could put together a better comp, its just the name and the image that goes with it. This only really applies in the UK tho...
I hate how Bonkers generally has a bad name, cause I love it so much!!!
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Genki
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Posted - 2004/12/15 : 18:10:39
In hardcore, we have major issues, I'll only discuss two.
One is the "limited" and "VIP" remixes that are coming out. Not only does it appear we're snooty, we seem to make these remixes of songs that NOBODY even wants in the first place! We need to cut all the Limited 100 copies ********, and just make "releases" until we have enough power and backing to make those. Snooty innit. We don't even have the amount of releases other genres have in the first place, why are we already making limited releases? You mean, limited copies of a song in an already small, and divided genre? Yeah. Not only is our genre small in comparrison to others, it also is split up? How can we do this? We love to classify right out of the box, and label stuff as we hear it (Freeform because it's acid'y/breaky whatever, or trancecore because it has a trance synth in it). We're not big enough to even divide yet, and if we keep this up, hardcore is going down the same road as Speed Garage and Glitch (another passing fad).
Then, there is the order I placed a month 1/2 ago, with Sage at Subsonic Underground (SSU). He ordered 16 records, 3 of which didn't come in because 2 of them were "Limited" copies, the other one was out of print/stock? One was Cloudskipper's The Great Escape (which is my alltime favorite song of my ENTIRE life, and I've been frantically searching for this song since it came out), Rave N Beats Japan 05, and CLSM "Transmission to Mars". The CLSM track was out of stock. If you want to make hardcore bigger, start pressing some more copies, and take care of the distribution side of hardcore (the business side of the play), and maybe we'll grow?! The thing Drum n' Bass has on it's side is, they are huge factories of music (both djs and producers) relentlessly spitting out huge amounts of good music, and working on many different projects. We as hardcore producers can't even seem to break the "Freeform/Trancecore" divide yet, how do we expect to grow?
To Luna-C, thank you for finally bringing this to everyone's attention, that's what originally made me start buying all of your wax, because there is a purpose to what you do, and I like that. You have a wonderful head on your shoulders, keep bringing the core buddy :)
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The Deviant
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Posted - 2004/12/15 : 21:39:07
That was well Said.
Bonker's doesn't do a bad job of showing off the variation in Hardcore, but I'd like a break-beat mix in there aswell.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2004/12/15 : 21:58:36
silver: yes it is indeed all hardcore.
Massive props out to Luna-C on an awesome article. Anyone remotely interested in hardcore should read it 
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icex
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Posted - 2004/12/15 : 22:34:23
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Originally posted by slavetomysoundwave:
I would like to think that hardcore could acheive DnB success, but it has one disadvantage from the start: "the terrible image it has had." I can't speak for the rest of the world, but here in the UK if you ask anyone under the age of 25 (or in a lot of cases older than 25) what "happy hardcore" is, the response is pretty much always "isnt it that awful cheesy dance music." (thats my experience anyway - no-one I've ever met has never heard of it). Most people have heard of Bonkers from the older days, so already have an opinion of it - which is usually not good.
i believe that the future of hardcore is in the USA.
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tunnelrush
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Posted - 2004/12/16 : 00:18:30
Like Zelachang said, Having Bonkers around is the best thing for Hardcore in the US cuz so far at any given point i can throw any of the 4 different styles and still get someone in my crowd to jump around to it. 'COPIES COPIES COPIES' thats all i hear from them now. THE US is behind but hopefully that wont be long...
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silver
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Posted - 2004/12/16 : 05:44:22
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Originally posted by Genki:
One is the "limited" and "VIP" remixes that are coming out. Not only does it appear we're snooty, we seem to make these remixes of songs that NOBODY even wants in the first place! We need to cut all the Limited 100 copies ********, and just make "releases" until we have enough power and backing to make those. Snooty innit.
Not really, you have to look at it in another angel, it's not snooty at all.
Most hardcore labels don't have alot of cash and perhaps they think they will only sell say 100 of this tune so they only press 100, or maybe they just want to give something back to all the fans that have supported their label in the first place but making 100 which will go on sale and be sold quickly. They are certainly not tring to be snooty, if they could get 1000 sales of one title I'm sure they would press 1000 straight away but the fact is it is a risk to press that many because you might not sell that much.
No label wants to sit there with thousands of records in stock that they can't sell because they over pressed. The labels and artists want to bang one tune out then move onto the next, it's all about the tunes and vinyl pressing is not about the money (there is none to be made in vinyl).
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icex
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Posted - 2004/12/16 : 07:00:52
how much would it cost a label or me to press 100 copies of a double sided record?
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whispering
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Posted - 2004/12/16 : 14:43:24
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Originally posted by kkillersynthetikk:
this forum would not be complete without threads about Nasenbluten and Micropoint, to name a few.
Why? People will discuss them if they want to in the "Music Discussion - Hardcore" area. Theres every know and then new people coming that want to discuss something not so well known, if we dont know it, usually she/he will tell us, provide soundclips etc. And after that were a little bit smarter :)
There are a lot of people here, but not enough to have a full all genres represented 24-7 type of forum, hopefully someday though :) But usually here are at least one or two "specialist" from all hardcore genres. You can be the one for the Nasenbluten / Micropoint type of Hardcore :)
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I think hardcore music needs to move its way up to porno movies!!
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Genki
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Posted - 2004/12/16 : 17:19:42
Silver: What you said is very true. Seen! The problem is, selling to djs isn't were the profit would be, and since we're in hardcore, we're not all about the profit anyhow (thank goodness for people actually about the music before the cash).
Hopefully in the future, we can push out the volumes of releases dnb does (with the same ratio of good songs).
On the other tip, what about those records that weren't sent to me? Distribution, and people keeping up with orders, sending them on time, and keeping in contact. I swear I've lost contact with so many people I know in hardcore (producers) for months at a time, so I guess I'm wondering about our consistancy as opposed to other genres. Even though I know most producers/djs in hardcore have day jobs, like myself. It would be nice though, when someone says they're going to do something, for them to actually do it. I also understand it's a bitch to ship to the states from UK, but no one else seems to have trouble doing it. Or why it's taken more than a month for KFX 1 (Cloudskipper - The Great Escape) to come in from England ?
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