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butterworth_tom
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 Posted - 2004/12/24 : 13:04:29
cant we all just get along? the question isnt where would hardcore be wothout hixxy, its where wud hardcore be without raverbaby? raveraby is an important label coz it makes alot of trancey sounding songs which are popualr with EVERYONE, which is why people get into hardcore... neway back to my punch and pie...
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whispering
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Posted - 2004/12/24 : 13:36:55
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
RaverBaby and illegal downloads made hardcore alive
I have to disagree there.
Before illegal downloads big record labels could take more risks and release records that didnt sell that well, cause they could get the income from the sales of bigger artists (Big labels get profit from about every 10th record). Before illegal downloads, small record labels didnt have to stop releasing records eventhough there are more people listening their music. Before illegal downloads record sales were much higher, eventhough people didnt even listen music in the same scale as now.
Its funny that most of the people saying how illegal download helps bringing the music to people... dont buy music or buy very little. It's a little core of music lovers that pretty much keep small labels alive. Not the masses of downloaders that talk how they wouldnt have found out about the music without downloading. I know you buy records and your one of the little core, but dont say those teens that never buy music somehow helped Hardcore to stay alive. Cause thats like giving a big "**** you" to the people that actually buy records and support the artist & labels. You're looking yourself and judging by that, but you cant see the big picture. Theres a whole generation there that have never bought a CD, and its getting bigger and bigger every year.
Just my 2 cents :)
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CDJay
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Posted - 2004/12/24 : 13:53:07
"This is where the scene went wrong. producers would make 20 songs but with the same backgound on them all"
ROFL!
This is INFINATELY more prevalant NOW, at least on the more commercial side of hardcore.
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poopy
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 Posted - 2004/12/24 : 20:07:52
The popcore from labels like raverbaby are why hardcore died in the first place and thats why i can see the scene splitting again.
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bemaniraver
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United States
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Posted - 2004/12/24 : 20:44:30
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Originally posted by Blasphemy:
We'd be missing a few good tunes (Notably wanting to get high)
the hectech version is much better :p
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bemaniraver
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Posted - 2004/12/24 : 20:46:16
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Originally posted by virus:
i think this is much more frequent now...
this is why i stopped listening to the happyharcore.com radio...all the dj's played the same thing. I swear, every mix i heard had some form of Definition of a Badboy, and that was after it got played out with Happy2bHardcore
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bemaniraver
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Posted - 2004/12/24 : 21:02:13
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Poopy: The popcore from labels like raverbaby are why hardcore died in the first place
I agree with you that raverbaby is "popcore," however I don't think it is killing the scene.
I say a lot of the newer raverbaby tracks that make it big...the trancier ones...get big because they are trancy. Trance is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) electronica genres...why do you think Tiesto / Oakenfold are always on the top of the Dj charts. The trancier hardcore must appeal to those into trance too. I am not one for trance really, so that must be why the newer raverbaby tracks do not appeal to me.
Dj so brave...
perhaps raverbaby doesnt release their tracks so they don't get played out 
what a concept, no?
A sad one, but I see it as a big reality.
Rush-In's would totally be dead and hated if it got released...and that track is ancient..what..bonkers 8?
anyways...I just bought my first car :) yay. a green 1995 saturn SL2 with 40k miles :p
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I said "you" a bunch of times in here..i was directing those to everyone not at poopy (the quoted).
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Samination
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Posted - 2004/12/24 : 22:28:46
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Originally posted by whispering:
Its funny that most of the people saying how illegal download helps bringing the music to people... dont buy music or buy very little. It's a little core of music lovers that pretty much keep small labels alive. Not the masses of downloaders that talk how they wouldnt have found out about the music without downloading. I know you buy records and your one of the little core, but dont say those teens that never buy music somehow helped Hardcore to stay alive. Cause thats like giving a big "**** you" to the people that actually buy records and support the artist & labels. You're looking yourself and judging by that, but you cant see the big picture. Theres a whole generation there that have never bought a CD, and its getting bigger and bigger every year.
Just my 2 cents :)
I have to say, I was one of those who downloaded alot of hardcore, and I am not ashamed to admit it, and what did it turn me to? now i buy alot of tunes (vinyl, cd.. any kind of format, heck even mp3 and wma), and I even spend more on music than I do on games (and I'm a hardcore gamer)
So big up to DJ's who said it was ok for hardcore to be spread throu mp3 as long as it didn't get to far, which it didn't really have
----- wth is this, a line?
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FUCKYOU
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Posted - 2004/12/25 : 00:28:22
OK, Let me put it in some other words. If the Raver Baby style never got out. Do you think Hardcore would be where it is today?
Now the fact is that the scene went down around 1998 and just about went dead. Around 2000 the Raver Baby style got out and then the screne got up again and now it is getting biger every day. Now what DJ/Pro are getting more work with AATW Records, Hixxy, Dougal, Breeze & Styles. Clubland albums (Bigest selling trance album in the UK) are getting more of the RB style and you can tell that it has a hardcore vibe to it. This can only be good for the hardcore scene. The next Breeze & Style tune comming out by AATW will have a hardcore version on it and it is about to get a full UK release. Video comming soon the The Box. The RB style is the way forward and i understand that it is not just RB that just releases then you get Dougal labal and other labals will follow. So i dont care what people say but RB is the way forward and other labals needs to change to keep up with It. RB style has just giving the scene a secend change and i dont see any other style of hardcore that can have that sort of impact.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2004/12/25 : 01:17:20
^^^Your talkin bout the RB style, but the tracks that are gettin played are on AATW and are completely diffrent to the RB release's. The only thing they have in common is the producer's.
I don't see how RB can be the way forward when they don't release tracks and even when they do they all sound pretty much the same.
The way i see it is, Evo, Next Gen/BB, Quosh (some good stuff comin' out of there at the mo), Ep and a few smaller labels are the way forward like they have been for a long time now.
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bemaniraver
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Posted - 2004/12/25 : 03:03:54
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Originally posted by Mortis:
I don't see how RB can be the way forward when they don't release tracks and even when they do they all sound pretty much the same.
i don't know which side i am taking..but...
the raverbaby tracks keep the croud pumpin'
perhaps those who do not get the promo's of raverbaby have a right to be upset...but...hmm..my train of though has been derailed..
Anyways..Raverbaby is a great way to get new kids into the scene..
while i was at a treatment center, i sported my hhc all over! and some of the kids really got into it. But the songs they really loved was Heartbeats (suz and da faber timed mix), and You're Shining. Those tracks even got banned at the place i was at because they made the kids too hyped up!!! WHICH IS PERFECT!!! that is the shit you want!!
but other labels..are more specialized into hhc (however they make the coolest ****in tracks ever).
well, now that i think about it...raverbaby is great EXCELLENT for hardcore, but bad/annoying/"**** when is that record coming out!! i hate RB cause they dont release their shit" for bedroom dj's :)
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the_hardcore_raver
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 Posted - 2004/12/25 : 15:41:55
Without raver baby...well it would be so much better and sooooooo much less commercial i mean breeze n styles fuk up all most every tune the make/try remixing a tune...i mean they was both amazing dj's untill late 2003 thats when they turn'd....ermm SHIT
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hooverlover
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Posted - 2004/12/25 : 17:50:23
don't care what anyone says, raverbaby is popcore for girls and chavs
bad label too, release dates!?!!....
of course hardcore would still be here if raverbaby wasn't here because Evolution is doing the hardwork and it's actually HARDCORE music and not pop.
**** RB, the first tune on Bonkers12 on hixxy's mix was damn awful, I don't know anyone who's gonna wait a year for that one to come out unless it's out and thus still no DJs wanting it
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2004/12/25 : 19:07:41
Raver baby has some talented producers who have made allot of good tracks they don't carry hardcore by themselves but like any label at the forefront of a scene they contribute hugely to it and people should stop knocking them IMO.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2004/12/25 : 19:17:24
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Originally posted by hooverlover:
don't care what anyone says, raverbaby is popcore for girls and chavs
Im neither and I think it's a good label!
release dates!?!!....
The whole release dates thing is annoying but i'm sure there very busy people who are trying there hardest to get some stuff out asap.
ps. why do you care about there release dates you dont like them?
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