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bobthebrave
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 Posted - 2005/03/06 : 17:26:00
The time which music and film becoming public property keeps increasing when the music companies feel like it too. Use to happen if an artist/actor died as well but they managed to get rid of that too.
There are also increasing worrys about new copyright being devoloped to charge u each time you watch ur movie and that in many years time films will be unviewable!!!!
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Shade0
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 17:26:40
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Originally posted by ryg0r:
Piracy is such a tentaive topic.
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Yes as we all know downloading music/films/applications is wrong.
But where is the line drawn.
You said it yourself, downloading these things (piracy) is wrong. This is very blanket statement.
There are companies that allow you try their product and downloading it and sharing it all without paying a cent/being illegal. Download.com has plenty of these types of things. And on some websites, like imorecords, and shop.happyhardcore.com, they have low quality clips of tracks that you can listen to before you buy them.
There are 2 solutions to this problem. Get and job, and get a credit card so you can buy your music/programs, and 2 beg the party you would normally steal off to give it to you for free. (yes steal, not commit 'copyright infringment', this term is a farse)
Rant over.
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1. Yes i should have specified, i mean downloading licensed software, and full versions of music, and films.
B. Im not asking this question because i want a legal loophole, it was merely a point of interest, so there was no need for the final comment from you!
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Underloop
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 17:43:38
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Originally posted by MohawkGeorge:
If someone doesnt have decks how are they supposed listen to hardcore? yeah theres the bonkers albums but thats only 13, where then?
90% of the artists/labels have their music available for sale either on CD or MP3 download. The remaining 10% (as far as I am aware) have plans to introduce digital copies. You don't need decks anymore to be able to play hardcore singles legally
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DarrenJ
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 18:00:24
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Originally posted by Underloop:
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Originally posted by MohawkGeorge:
If someone doesnt have decks how are they supposed listen to hardcore? yeah theres the bonkers albums but thats only 13, where then?
90% of the artists/labels have their music available for sale either on CD or MP3 download. The remaining 10% (as far as I am aware) have plans to introduce digital copies. You don't need decks anymore to be able to play hardcore singles legally
Matthew aka DJ Underloop
your too nice
Just because you bought a small Kia Reo hatchback, doesnt mean u can steal a V8 engine for a ford dealer just to "test" it out or because u dont have money to buy the car
People think they can do anything because its digital code
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Samination
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 20:22:16
now that's where you wrong Darren, people dont think they can, they NOW they can
90%?!?! what I know Raverbaby & Next Gen makes the most sells. yea maybe they're only the few mayor labels still not showing any signs of movin onto the internet (heck, where did the proper raverbaby site go?). I dont know the proper numbers, but RB+NG/BB should have atleast 20% of the sales
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MohawkGeorge
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 20:38:13
yeah i know you can but the tunes on mp3 but what i am saying is why the f*** would anyone want to???? you have one file which is exactly the same as an mp3 but costs £1.50 and yeah it supports the hardcore scene but thats it. your saving what £2 from buying the actual vinyl where you have something that you can hold and then sell once u have got bored of. the vinyl shops will only have a certain number of vinyls where as they have unlimited downloads. its no sweat off their back if they sell 10 or 10 million. i think 50p would still be over priced
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mj-dream
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Posted - 2005/03/07 : 00:24:10
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Originally posted by whispering:
bet.Uhm, if i buy a vinyl its 10€ and i get 2-3 tracks. If i buy a CD single its 7€ and i get 4-9 tracks.
Also big labels get profit from about 10% of the records they release. If there wasnt e.g. Britney, they couldnt release stuff from a lot of smaller artists.
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i dnt really think ur point makes much sense?
at the end of the day wot i said is true if they dint get greedy and try n make millions from are pockets in the first place then they wouldnt av had the millions to loose(not loose but make from us)in the first place.
there moaning coz they probly av to sit in 1st class on a plane instead of there own private jets.WHOOPY ****IN DOO.
if they made everything fair in price etc this problem wouldnt exist.
then again if i buy a record and you buy a record why cnt we trade a copy to each other????like iv said its a never ending debatable discussion
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Charco
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Posted - 2005/03/07 : 02:11:34
Agree with a lot of what mjdream has been saying.
There are too many money-grabbing *******'s on the music scene who would happily rip-off artists given the right amount of money. Remember the whole scenario regarding cloudskipper?
(I'm not aware of the whole situation so i'm not making any judgements- just using it as an example as it was to do with 'ripping others off'). It mightn't have been completely about piracy but it was still about money. (If that makes sense).
Look how 'manufactured' pop music is?? It's all about making profits..and LOTS of it. There's nothing wrong with making money...but when companies are over-charging their customers-just because they can, then complain loosing money due to people 'stealing' their stuff? Where is the justice in that?
It was stated in one of the earlier posts that if CD's and vinyl werre charged at 'real' prices...there wouldn't be a problem. Who can easily afford around £15 for every CD that get's released that they like?
Put it this way- Have 2 CD's on a table. One for free with 'illegal copy' on it, the other with a £10-£15 price tag. With no-one watching....how many people whould seriously pay the money for the CD??
But what i've said before is all to do with the pop/ dance scene. A very rich business to be involved in, and I wouldn't exactly cry if I heard an artist was getting 'ripped off'.
This is HARDCORE. An underground scene. It is very hard for artists to make money here and this is where it becomes really damaging. Unlike pop where the 'artist' get's so much help with his/her track before it gets onto CD (manufactured!). In this scene, producers bust their guts producing quality tracks whcih is ALL their own work.
I've heard pop artists sing live...and without the help with all the studios and numerous people working with them...It sounded dreadful!! (Fair enough, this won't be the case with everyone, just speaking from past experience), I've also heard hardcore artists live... (Sharkey and kev energy)..and it was absolutely unreal!!
Basically, I agree with a lot of what mjdream has said.
Bloody hell....didn't realise how much i've written!!
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TypeR
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Posted - 2005/03/07 : 07:08:16
don't forget to read your labels on your vinyls either, it says on there that you are not to use that record for public display or to be paid for it. every dj on here is a criminal. lock me up and throw away the key for hardcore beeawtch!!
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MohawkGeorge
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Posted - 2005/03/07 : 09:12:44
the point me and samus seem to be trying to make is that illegal downloading is helping hardcore spread. like i said i have downloaded in the past which is what got me into hardcore and now i spend loads of money on vinyl. also if i intend to buy a vinyl and i am waiting for a re-press it seems stupid paying for an over priced bit of media
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whispering
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Posted - 2005/03/07 : 10:14:54
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Originally posted by mj-dream:
i dnt really think ur point makes much sense?
What part of it? I thought it was pretty clear :p
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Originally posted by mj-dream:
at the end of the day wot i said is true if they dint get greedy and try n make millions from are pockets in the first place then they wouldnt av had the millions to loose(not loose but make from us)in the first place.
LOL, what world are you living in? If Britney sells 1000 times more records then Hixxy, then of course she gets 1000 times more money. You dont really seem to understand, if something is 1000 times bigger, the scale of the money involved is much bigger too. Also a lot of the "big" artists get a lot of their money from commercials, sponsors, live shows etc. I think you cant really see the forrest from the trees.
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Originally posted by mj-dream:
there moaning coz they probly av to sit in 1st class on a plane instead of there own private jets.WHOOPY ****IN DOO.
If Britney flys to all her live shows with a private jet, she'll have more times to do shows, interviews etc. So in the end its cheaper for her to travel that way.
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Originally posted by mj-dream:
if they made everything fair in price etc this problem wouldnt exist.
Fair in price? Do you even know how many people get their food into the table cause of e.g. Britney? If i buy a TV, i dont just pay the sallary to the people that make it, but also to the people that design it, that try to create better TV's, to the people who ship it, to the people who sell it, stock it etc etc. Its the same with music. This is how the world works.
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Originally posted by mj-dream:
then again if i buy a record and you buy a record why cnt we trade a copy to each other????like iv said its a never ending debatable discussion
Super idea :D I buy "Bonkers 13", then give to the rest of the people that would normally buy it, this way we would only have to pay for one record. Damn, why didnt i think of that myself :p
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whispering
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Posted - 2005/03/07 : 10:26:11
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Originally posted by mustapha:
Put it this way- Have 2 CD's on a table. One for free with 'illegal copy' on it, the other with a £10-£15 price tag. With no-one watching....how many people whould seriously pay the money for the CD??
I would pay for it. But if you want to live in a world where everything has to be behind locks, cameras, sensors etc because human beings are so stupid and greedy, then i guess you would steal it. Of course the world aint perfect, but how can you complane or dream of a better way if your the same?
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Originally posted by djritalin:
don't forget to read your labels on your vinyls either, it says on there that you are not to use that record for public display or to be paid for it. every dj on here is a criminal. lock me up and throw away the key for hardcore beeawtch!!
Yes, but when you pay the licence (like all bars, clubs, events, radios etc do) its legal.
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bobthebrave
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Posted - 2005/03/07 : 10:28:26
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don't forget to read your labels on your vinyls either, it says on there that you are not to use that record for public display or to be paid for it. every dj on here is a criminal. lock me up and throw away the key for hardcore beeawtch!!
That not quite true as this only a breach of copyright if you are charging a guest to get in to see you play and either you or the venue you are playing at dosn't have a public performance licence.
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Charco
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Posted - 2005/03/07 : 11:02:32
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Originally posted by whispering:
quote:
Originally posted by mustapha:
Put it this way- Have 2 CD's on a table. One for free with 'illegal copy' on it, the other with a £10-£15 price tag. With no-one watching....how many people whould seriously pay the money for the CD??
I would pay for it. But if you want to live in a world where everything has to be behind locks, cameras, sensors etc because human beings are so stupid and greedy, then i guess you would steal it. Of course the world aint perfect, but how can you complane or dream of a better way if your the same?
I never said I would take it, i'd be tempted though. Say it was a CD you were after for ages, really hard to find and you were struggling for cash....would you turn and walk away?
I apologise for rambling a bit on my earlier post, A lot of it doesn't seem to make sense now.
It's a sad world that we live in when people decide to 'rip-off' artists for their work which is their job and their lively-hood (Haven't a clue if thats spelt right...if even a word!)
There is however, two sides to every story....we may not like it..but it exists.
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Samination
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Posted - 2005/03/07 : 11:23:30
what the **** is that for kind of reply? buying it when you can get a free copy. That's a reply from someone who sees himself being over the rest.
I'm with all the chinese on this one, i'd take the copy instead of the original, depending on how many good tracks are on that CD.
And remember this, this is a reply from someone who lives in a nation that has one of the highest paying wellfair or unemployment wellfair in the world so Im not a poor ****tard in asia (im not offending asian people, im offending people who's moral is twisted).
Because of the generation we all are born in, this question is a copyright issue.
Those who are against Piracy says piracy harms grow and takes artist/programmers share of the loot)
While 'pirates' say copyright harms the grow of the intellect (?) and imagination, aswell as information is free
What is right and what's is wrong? it's nothing we can't decide because in generall, no ones knows shit about anything, because people can't see 2 sides of a coin at the same time
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