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hbf
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 Posted - 2005/07/05 : 10:59:39
Mabe not the same but still its an oppertunity to get the music out to new people to get new people buyin hardcore. Do you think the type of people who buy Clubland Xtreme ect are the same as the people who buy vinyl? i only realy buy vinyl and tapes cuz its hardcore how i feel its ment to be, the best place to feel it is in the rave no doubt but i think it needs to be broder than that. My girls kid bro had clubland, at first i thought oh s*it the benies are into it, then i thought another bit of cash to the music.
Even if nukleuz take most of the cash the artists still get paid for something they probibily wouldnt have done without nukleuz, ive been waitin ages for Blackout and Injected with a poison to be out.
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DJ Mole
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 11:26:33
you cant really complain with tracks like "Hardcore Machine" and "Morning Sun" coming out
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Tripp
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 11:53:00
Luna-C has gotten my main point. (Cheers for posting Chris)
The whole thing is do you want Hardcore to be watered down commerical crap?
Because thats what will happen in the long run if you support these Hard House labels.
Currently the scene is very healthy with lots of small independant labels that have they're own style/flavor.
But add a few big money hungery labels that water it down and instantly the small labels are forced with the choice of having to use formulas to sell records because its what ppl are buying or go broke.
As in regards to hbf's post:
Saying at least they got paid - most of the ppl doing these tracks are already successful on their own labels, they could easily release tracks & make the same money without compromsing.
And also why should we make Hardcore a Fad to introduce it to new people,
People in general that listen to Hardcore do so because they like to not because its the latest trend.
Wouldn't you rather it stayed that way?
I'd love to hear more opinions personal or industry based.
Keep em coming.
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JesterDJ
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 16:06:19
it seems that pretty much everything that has needed to be said has been. All i'd really like to add here is that i don't think there is one particular group of people that can ultimately control what will be the route that hardcore as we know it will go down.
I mean first of all there is us; the dedicated ravers that listen to hardcore for what it is full stop.
Then there is the true to form labels that we know and trust to do the same.
Then there are our dj's again following suit.
Then there are the opposites: The people of the public that are hardcore listeners for its "coolness"/"fad" factor.
Then there are the labels of the same type of people. Money hungry and milking hardcore for what money it can.
Then the dj's and producers that are the same. Flip n fill for example: entering the scene to try their hand at a half hearted and commercialised hardcore tune to bring to the public for their share of some extra money.
Looking at that, there are basically 6 groups of people, on 2 different sides.
All these groups vary in size and vary in how strong an influence they will have on hardcore's future.
e.g. take the first group i mentioned; the real ravers. We know how we want to keep things so let's not go there but what i will say is that by the size of us, we would not ultimately bew able to bring these big labels crashing down, because the commercial counterpart of this group; the public hardcore listeners. They are in much greater number and have more money that they will gladly and idioticly spend on this new breed of hardcore that is empty and hollow, but hey what do they know about hardcore?
Now let us consider labels. The true labels before the rise of hardcore produced what they wanted taking in to consideration the wants of the real hardcore public evolving from phase to phase as they go but ultimately keeping it hardcore.
Then there are the new labels with the capital to literally shove these labels aside and bring Hardcore to the masses without even really caring what will be left of our scene after the fad has passed. They are churning out crap tunes that are as fresh and original as your grandmother's knickers and this rubbish that they are churning out in huge number is selling by none other than the stupid public that are listening to hardcore because it is "cool", thus forcing our labels (as has been said) follow suit or go under.
lastly there are the dj's. OUR dj's, producing as they wished, venturing towards the real future of what hardcore should have been, til these other dj's; these FAKE and DISGRACEFUL dj's such as flip n fill, coming in and creating such unbelievable excrement that again is being bought by the public hardcore listeners.
I believe that amongst this war of the real dj's against these incoming imposters the same trends can be found as within the fight between the labels.
Our dj's take our money, these newcomer dj's take the money of the public, and where there are so many more of them then us, that is where the main amount of money is coming from and unfortunately it looks like they cannot divide up real hardcore from this fake rubbish that is being churned out so it looks like it is going to see real hardcore go under because we are being sold out.
Now i can't say i'm blaming our bigger dj's for producing some music under these larger labels because again as has been said, they need to make their bread, but if they don't stop what they are doing soon, hardcore as we know may lose too much support and fall to far to come back from.
I am not predicting the future here but with all these different groups having different powers in how they can shift where hardcore is going and whether or not they are doing so at the moment it is just starting to look very bleak.
All i'm doing now is sitting, waiting, watching and hoping for the best. I know i'll be there once hardcore falls back again; and that is when the scene will need us most.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 17:15:01
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If someone loves hardcore so much not to venture to other genres, whats the problem with that?
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Katrinar u say u think that the tidy cd is the dogs bollocks then u say u have it and love it! Am i missin somethin here?
And by the way i havent bought it as i only buy hardcore (happy) thats who i support and that is why i visit this website.
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icex
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 21:54:58
even tho i like some raver baby songs i feel like its the same as nukleuz. they produce their tracks at around 165 and they max out on techs at 180 bpm!
thats not hardcore. it just doesnt make sense to me i hate it when i buy raver baby vinyl and then try to mix it in at 183-186 and its not possible to play it at that speed unless i get other turntables or get it on cd format.
i dont understand why they would cater to hardhouse and nrg djs instead of hardcore djs. i dont understand why they cant produce faster!
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lilmissminx
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 22:08:05
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Thats ur opinion m8!
But am a true 'HTID fan' and plan to keep it that way cos they r jumpin on the bandwagon so there!
Av supported and listened to hardcore for over 15 years Enuff said!
All u mad crashers 'Blast the speakers'
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well said!
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katrinar50
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 22:15:49
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Originally posted by kathryn:
Katrinar u say u think that the tidy cd is the dogs bollocks then u say u have it and love it! Am i missin somethin here?
Kathryn
I am also from Manchester but I do know that the dog's bollocks means its good!!!!
I buy hardcore - trancey and happy cos I love it, I am a member of this forum cos I love hardcore - it is my first love but that doesn't mean I can't like Hard Dance, House and Trance as well!!!!!!!!!!
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kathryn
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Posted - 2005/07/06 : 17:10:55
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Originally posted by katrinar50:
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Originally posted by kathryn:
Katrinar u say u think that the tidy cd is the dogs bollocks then u say u have it and love it! Am i missin somethin here?
Kathryn
I am also from Manchester but I do know that the dog's bollocks means its good!!!!
I buy hardcore - trancey and happy cos I love it, I am a member of this forum cos I love hardcore - it is my first love but that doesn't mean I can't like Hard Dance, House and Trance as well!!!!!!!!!!
Kat
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Ok! dogs bollocks to me means shite so we got our wires crossed oops!
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