Dj DontStop Senior Member
Canada
273 posts Joined: Nov, 2005
Posted - 2005/11/08 : 06:06:59
does it truely surprise you???
the huge volumes of people on the internet you're bound to run into some crazies along the way. hell i used 2 play with this kid in Cali long time ago that ended up stabbing 3 people a couple years ago. he was never a really good friend, cuz i was only ever down there for maybe 1 month a year, just some random i "knew" but hell, people die every day. you're bound to eventualy find you know either the victim or someone involved in an incident one day.
all in all ive known about 24 people who have died (mostly accidents) and while its always a shock, shit happens, and there's no sense wasting your life thinking OMFG!!!!!!
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zelachang Senior Member
United States
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Posted - 2005/11/08 : 06:37:25
nice thought out post there Cotts
on the flipside I believe everyone in Australia is a kangaroo jockey so I guess we're on equal levels.
but seriously, that is really sad. I wouldn't say sick or messed up but I just feel sad. I feel sorry for the kid who couldn't interact with society and his surroundings, I feel sad for those whom he killed, and I feel a small margin of pity for the members on that forum. DJ DontStop is right... cant waste your life thinking OMFG.
SNYKE New Member
Australia
55 posts Joined: Sep, 2005
Posted - 2005/11/08 : 07:54:36
****! Sorry for profanities but that deserves one, bloody american psycho's, they really need to change that constitution, so it's actually hard to get guns and definitely not sell ammo in supermarkets. They should change the price of bullets to like $2000 per bullet so bystanders don't get shot and people will think before they waste their money on bullets, so they can't go on rampages. I can't remember where I heard that (possibly Chris Rock) but I agree with it, supposed to be funny, but true as well. Yeah how shit would you feel if you told this psycho where to get some buckshot.
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Jax Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,676 posts Joined: Apr, 2005
Posted - 2005/11/08 : 09:03:54
the people on that forum seemed to be more worried about themselves getting into trouble rather than the people who had been killed
Dj DontStop Senior Member
Canada
273 posts Joined: Nov, 2005
Posted - 2005/11/08 : 09:04:34
Chris Rock - Bigger And Blacker :D funny shit and its 5000$ (There Would Be No Innocent Bystanders, Cuz Damn Boy, You Got 50,000$ Worth Of Bullits In Yo Ass, Ya Musta Done Somethen) tru that
why worry about the people that got killed, they are dead, how much more shit can u get into if ur already dead. lol.
people will always look out for number one, they dont know these people. yes they prolly felt extreemely bad, but they were like "wholly shit i could goto jail for this shit" and were freaking out. can you say you blame them, cuz i know thats exactly how i would react
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ryg0r Advanced Member
Australia
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Posted - 2005/11/08 : 09:07:55
I dont think you can blame anyone on the SA forums. The person clearly made that decision.
Who cares how easy it is to get the weapons. If William Freund wanted to get a gun, regardless of how hard it would have been for him, he would have done so.
Jax Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,676 posts Joined: Apr, 2005
Posted - 2005/11/08 : 09:25:17
true rygor, he wouldnt have stopped til he got what he wanted. i dunno about anyone else but i feel sorry for the ppl that died, especially if i was the person that possibly helped tip him over the edge
B.C Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2005/11/08 : 11:50:08
Giving access to guns to untrained, unqualified people is simple folly. What's the point? So you can protect your property? How does someone being a theif/vandal justify an average joe being able to hand down the death penalty? In some countries, being a theif can end in you getting your hand cut off while in America you can end up dead. But thats civilized?
Why do people need guns? There's no justifiable reason for it. In a culture where civilized behaviour is of paramount importance, how can the right to carry a fire arm be acceptable?
I know that there will always be a way for people to kill, and the killing streak in humans will probably never leave. But why make it so easy for them? So that people can protect themselves?........
My two cents....commence flaming.
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ryg0r Advanced Member
Australia
2,807 posts Joined: Aug, 2002
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Posted - 2005/11/08 : 13:03:29
quote:Originally posted by B.C:
Giving access to guns to untrained, unqualified people is simple folly. What's the point? So you can protect your property? How does someone being a theif/vandal justify an average joe being able to hand down the death penalty? In some countries, being a theif can end in you getting your hand cut off while in America you can end up dead. But thats civilized?
Why do people need guns? There's no justifiable reason for it. In a culture where civilized behaviour is of paramount importance, how can the right to carry a fire arm be acceptable?
I know that there will always be a way for people to kill, and the killing streak in humans will probably never leave. But why make it so easy for them? So that people can protect themselves?........
My two cents....commence flaming.
Two words my friend: Kitchen Knife.
I can hear you now saying "WTF?" Its simple. Its not the best ranged weapon, but its deadly none-the-less. You can buy these for dirt cheap. For less than guns too. And it more places. There are lots of different stylings and grips perfect for any would-be murderer. You said it yourself, there will always be a way for people to kill, but lets be honest, when you start banning legitimate tools, you're going to have to put away the kitchen knife. And the screwdriver, and the sledgehammer, and just about anything else. Banning guns isn't the answer at all. Blood thirsty people are still going to kill.
If anything, tighter background checks, and tighter licensing is a better solution.
I do agree though, that the US of A has funny ideas about being civilised, but then will thread will turn into Yankee bashing and thats not what I want to do.
I guess though, its easier to sit back in another country that doesn't have those problems and point the finger, with the added bonus of hindsight, but as far as I'm concerned, its just hot air.
If you are really that passionate about it, do something. Not just posting on the internet, but something worthwhile.
B.C Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2005/11/08 : 15:00:59
quote:Originally posted by ryg0r:
Two words my friend: Kitchen Knife.
I can hear you now saying "WTF?" Its simple. Its not the best ranged weapon, but its deadly none-the-less. You can buy these for dirt cheap. For less than guns too. And it more places. There are lots of different stylings and grips perfect for any would-be murderer. You said it yourself, there will always be a way for people to kill, but lets be honest, when you start banning legitimate tools, you're going to have to put away the kitchen knife. And the screwdriver, and the sledgehammer, and just about anything else. Banning guns isn't the answer at all. Blood thirsty people are still going to kill.
If anything, tighter background checks, and tighter licensing is a better solution.
I do agree though, that the US of A has funny ideas about being civilised, but then will thread will turn into Yankee bashing and thats not what I want to do.
I guess though, its easier to sit back in another country that doesn't have those problems and point the finger, with the added bonus of hindsight, but as far as I'm concerned, its just hot air.
If you are really that passionate about it, do something. Not just posting on the internet, but something worthwhile.
Thats like my 3.4cents.
I think you basically argued the same opinion as me, while trying to disagree.
1)People will always have a way to kill.
2)Tighter liscencing (see 1st sentence) ie. untrained, unqualified.
My point was, why make it easier for them?
They were my opinions, I don't remember being worked up or passionate about it. I just posted my opinion on the forum while trying not to offend any US members (sorry if I did)....I'll shut up now.
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SixFeet Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,285 posts Joined: Jan, 2005
Posted - 2005/11/08 : 15:32:03
quote:Originally posted by ryg0r:
Well no. Personally, I think its the media.
same, america DOES NOT have the highest gun ownership in the world per person yet they have by the far the highest shootings per person.
switzerland has 8 million guns owned privately between a population of 6 million yet they have a tiny amount of shootings every year (Jeremy Clarkson on a TV show recently was talking about a story of his when he was driving through the country. he got pulled over by the police, got a ticket for his car being to loud and at no point did they even mention the loaded machine gun on his passenger seat.
with the media constantly giving over double the percentage each year on the coverage to robberies, murders and rapes even when these crimes are decreasing**** people up. that mixed with the ease of being able to buy firearms is not a good combination. scared paramoid people shouldn't be allowed weapons
quote:Originally posted by ryg0r:
I dont think you can blame anyone on the SA forums. The person clearly made that decision.
Who cares how easy it is to get the weapons. If William Freund wanted to get a gun, regardless of how hard it would have been for him, he would have done so.
Tight gun laws would have changed nothing.
yes the SA forums are not to blame, it is down to the individuals actions and talking anonymously on the iternet does not help as you cannot judge whether the guy you're giving advice to is a mental patient or not
however how can tightened gun laws not help shootings?
if he wanted to get one over here, well he wouldn't have been able to get one illegally around my area. a gun isn't just something you really can just ask a few people to find around these parts. even though there is a gun shop in my town, i have never seen or heard one ever or in my life have never heard of a murder by gunshot in the wider area (population of 300,000 people). if you want to purcahse a gun from the shop you have to have a license that provides an extensive background check which would have caught his illness and not allowed him anywhere near owning a gun.
in his case seeing as he killed himself it wouldn't help really as he could have used anything in the end as he was suicidal but i don't agree with the kitchen knife thing, i dunno what it is but very few people are prepared to use a knife to kill someone. maybe because it requres pure channelled loathing whereas a gun is instant, it doesn't require a second impulse as you can do it at range, your conscience doesn't come into account.
if someone is prepared to give up everything to do something then truely they can never really be stopped
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whittle1 Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,191 posts Joined: Jan, 2005
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Posted - 2005/11/08 : 22:58:49
quote:Originally posted by DJ_JaXoN:
the people on that forum seemed to be more worried about themselves getting into trouble rather than the people who had been killed
jenks Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2005/11/09 : 00:32:46
In my opinion B.C. is spot on, if someone has their heart set on killing someone there is no real way to stop them.
I know where the gun crime comes from in England, I arnt going to say it because I'll be called a ****ing racist but we all know which type of estates it comes from and we all know which people live there.
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