Ionosphere Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/02 : 17:28:58
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
Spiritual topic this one.
Do you actually believe in God, or do you prefer the big bang theory!? When do you think the universe will end?
Believe?
Believing is a question of faith.
I could say that I believe that 1 and 1=5.... and I'd be wrong.
It would be nothing more than an opinion.
We're all entitled to our opinions but how do we KNOW that we're right?
Science is supposed to be the only way to determine 'The Truth', 'The Facts' and that is fine but
Science and it's scientists have been 'proven' to be wrong when new evidence, or more advanced methods of detection, measurement or the ability to quantify have been developed.
Previously 'Proven Truth' becomes updated to the latest 'Truth' and no doubt as human knowledge grows will be updated again.
This happens with things that can be seen, heard or touched so how can 'Science' possibly dismiss something that is
Invisible, Silent and, as many would have you believe, with no physical form?
As I see it, once you have felt God you are in absolutely no doubt.
You don't believe, you KNOW that God exists.
This doesn't come easily and maybe it's not meant to.
It requires more than just a passing curiosity, more than a few moments in your busy life full of far more important things.
So whittle1, I don't believe in God, I KNOW.... and I am a very lucky man.
mj-dream Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/02 : 18:11:18
quote:Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
Spiritual topic this one.
Do you actually believe in God, or do you prefer the big bang theory!? When do you think the universe will end?
Believe?
Believing is a question of faith.
I could say that I believe that 1 and 1=5.... and I'd be wrong.
It would be nothing more than an opinion.
We're all entitled to our opinions but how do we KNOW that we're right?
Science is supposed to be the only way to determine 'The Truth', 'The Facts' and that is fine but
Science and it's scientists have been 'proven' to be wrong when new evidence, or more advanced methods of detection, measurement or the ability to quantify have been developed.
Previously 'Proven Truth' becomes updated to the latest 'Truth' and no doubt as human knowledge grows will be updated again.
This happens with things that can be seen, heard or touched so how can 'Science' possibly dismiss something that is
Invisible, Silent and, as many would have you believe, with no physical form?
As I see it, once you have felt God you are in absolutely no doubt.
You don't believe, you KNOW that God exists.
This doesn't come easily and maybe it's not meant to.
It requires more than just a passing curiosity, more than a few moments in your busy life full of far more important things.
So whittle1, I don't believe in God, I KNOW.... and I am a very lucky man.
see this is something tht holds me.....people who do KNOW that a god exists messes with my brain.......because i do not believe for 1 second tht people can mistake knowing and believing.
but me.......i know something godlike exists like you say but the religions we have just kick me back to the beggining of my understanding.
personally i cannot accept or believe what i know of religions and this is why i cannot fully explain the god(being) i feel exists.....unless i started a religion with what i believe but then tht would be it.......its what i believe not what i know.
bah im tongue tied :P
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Da Cunney Bugz Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/02 : 18:24:41
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
Spiritual topic this one.
Do you actually believe in God, or do you prefer the big bang theory!? When do you think the universe will end?
Personally, i think that the universe has always been here. It has no beginning and has no end, it will always remain. I think this because we have no concept of time, our brains are too small to even not consider that there is a beginning and an end. So what happens if there wasn't a beginning and an end? What happens if it was always here?
What do you lot think?
lol well remembered from those r.e lessons, i was about write exact same thing
best way ive ever heard is that an ant has no concept of algebra coz its impossible for it to comprehend such a thing, the same goes for us with time and the universe
there is no god either!
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whittle1 Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/02 : 18:36:07
quote:Originally posted by Da Cunney Bugz:
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
Spiritual topic this one.
Do you actually believe in God, or do you prefer the big bang theory!? When do you think the universe will end?
Personally, i think that the universe has always been here. It has no beginning and has no end, it will always remain. I think this because we have no concept of time, our brains are too small to even not consider that there is a beginning and an end. So what happens if there wasn't a beginning and an end? What happens if it was always here?
What do you lot think?
lol well remembered from those r.e lessons, i was about write exact same thing
We never used to be in R.E. lessons in the last few years, and that's when we got taught about it so actually, it was a theory of my own
Glad to see the topic has had some good responses with various opinions.
-Bazza- Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/02 : 20:55:42
quote:Originally posted by bulby_g:
Obviously time exists if your talking about a measurement of say what it takes something to get from somewhere to somewhere else yes, it's not quite what I meant... Forget I said it I'll never be able to explain it :P
"both time and space can be bent or warped by a large mass, and that's what creates gravity"
So what creates varying strengths in gravitational pull? It's obviously not too do solely with mass as a smaller mass can have a bigger pull than one much bigger than it, is it to do with movement or something? I never done this at school I done psychology but it does interest me : ).
Gravity is directly connected with the amount of mass, a larger mass can occupy a smaller volume however, it just has a higher density, for example a neutron star is very dense. Apparently a teaspoon of neutron star material weighs a billion tons, or as much as all the cars, trucks and buses on Earth.
Da Cunney Bugz Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/02 : 21:09:04
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
quote:Originally posted by Da Cunney Bugz:
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
Spiritual topic this one.
Do you actually believe in God, or do you prefer the big bang theory!? When do you think the universe will end?
Personally, i think that the universe has always been here. It has no beginning and has no end, it will always remain. I think this because we have no concept of time, our brains are too small to even not consider that there is a beginning and an end. So what happens if there wasn't a beginning and an end? What happens if it was always here?
What do you lot think?
lol well remembered from those r.e lessons, i was about write exact same thing
We never used to be in R.E. lessons in the last few years, and that's when we got taught about it so actually, it was a theory of my own
Glad to see the topic has had some good responses with various opinions.
how you know we did it in last few years if you didnt do it clever dick?
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DJ Yanis New Member
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Posted - 2006/03/02 : 22:48:37
Well people will lagh but i think religion and science are connected, think about it, the bible claims that god created the earth in 7 days light on the 1st day etc....
Science is similair as the first thing which happend was the big bang hence sun hence light, the following things after this whcih science claims also follow the order the of things created int he 7 days
And no one knows how long a day is really, think about it years back a day could of been classed as like 1000 years or something??
Any way i just wanted to try and state the point about the religion theroy and scientific theory being similar in a way.
Bidd Senior Member
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Posted - 2006/03/02 : 23:00:08
I believe the same thing as whittle (start of topic) in that the universe has always been here and always will be. I do not believe in a God because the same question applies in 'what created God'. Everything we humans know is that everything has a beginning and an end so it is hard for us to imagine something that lasts for infinity.
I would also like to mention that the shape of planets, and stars are all spheres, so i believe somehow the universe is spherical, and it doesnt have a start or end, just like a circle
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jenks Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/03 : 00:21:37
quote:Originally posted by XtarsiA:
Wu-Hey!!! i love this stuff!
how i see it is:
firstly, multi-verse sub-verse ect ect ... all BS the universise IS the universe, its all of it, any things like that are just a part of it.
there are fundamental rules, that simply "are" cant change em, cant do anything about them, they are the basic building blocks. these rules are simple. they can be used in very very complex ways though.
every being in the universe, is just like the rules, always have existed always will exist, our state f existance may change depeing n the other rules, and how they are implemented, wether by ourselves, or someone else.
as for god, all beings, are at a fundamental level, a form of intelligence - we observe, process and conclude. every being has varying degres of "intelligence" look at it like different intensites of light, theres a max, and a minimum (none) but infinite veriables inbetween.. GOD is the max. he has to exist. not possable for him not to.
i just prooved god exists [:P] - by at least one deffinition, though supreme being would be this, as maximum intelligence, leads to no mistakes ever, perfect understanding of all things observed, an the ability, because of this, to use all the rules of the universe in as complex way as GOD feels to do so.
BUT
GOD is still within the "confines of the "universe"
we are just less "bright" and god has plans for us, he is kind, and knows all - we dont, yet.
we have potential, as long as we can learn, we can become more like god, science isnt the only thing to learn, remember, we are our own rules, and need to understand our selves aswell.
and finally, GOD is creative, creative = GOOD
satan = Destructive, thats bad.
all things goo and evil are definable in the creation/destruction of something.
Balance is a key fundamental element of existance too.
so in short, thats what i think
First of all, this varying degrees of intellegence thing is not fact, and if it were, what makes you think that the maximum degree of intellegence has been reached? Or that it would define a 'God' even if it has?
Proved god exists? You didn't prove shit! :p
*edit*
I didn't see the 'in short, thats what I think' bit, I just got straight on with my rant, sorry :)
zelachang Senior Member
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Posted - 2006/03/03 : 06:54:04
First things first, string theory is great and all and COULD possibly unify physics as we know it. Unfortunately theres a growing movement against string theory with many prominent physicists arguing that it can not be proven or observed. At the moment I'm not sure which side of the fence im on. On one hand, itd be great to see a formula that unifies quantum and newtonian physics but on the other I have yet to see any solid proof that string theory actually exists. I see correlation, but I don't see causation yet.
Back to the topic on hand. I used to be a christian though I wasn't born into a christian family. After breaking up with a girl, I was extremely depressed and lost. Hoping I could find salvation in Christianity I went to church with some of my christian friends. For about 1.5 years I tried to believe but I never got the satisfaction of knowing. Right now, I really don't know but I tend to believe there isn't an active god, that is, one who interacts with us. God? maybe. Nothing? maybe.
As for the universe there are a lot of theories. Perhaps our universe is a 'brane' or membrane that sits next to millions of others. According to the theory, each time a universe collides with another an unimaginable amount of energy is released, big bang etc. Universe could have zero sum energy and we're just an imabalance in equilibrium. Maybe something poked at a dot and we exploded into existence. I don't know for sure what happened and I don't think I ever will.
But i do know science is the closest we'll get to understanding as humans. Perhaps science will never find the answer but at least I can know the results to be truthful.
And one last question:
How do you know we are not just beings in a computer program (i.e. the Matrix)? How do you know that what you touch is real or just 'real' to you?
whittle1 Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/03 : 08:53:55
quote:Originally posted by Da Cunney Bugz:
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
quote:Originally posted by Da Cunney Bugz:
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
Spiritual topic this one.
Do you actually believe in God, or do you prefer the big bang theory!? When do you think the universe will end?
Personally, i think that the universe has always been here. It has no beginning and has no end, it will always remain. I think this because we have no concept of time, our brains are too small to even not consider that there is a beginning and an end. So what happens if there wasn't a beginning and an end? What happens if it was always here?
What do you lot think?
lol well remembered from those r.e lessons, i was about write exact same thing
We never used to be in R.E. lessons in the last few years, and that's when we got taught about it so actually, it was a theory of my own
Glad to see the topic has had some good responses with various opinions.
how you know we did it in last few years if you didnt do it clever dick?
When did i say that i never did it?I said that we never got taught about it together, but i didn't say that i had never done it! :)
kathryn Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/03 : 09:38:10
quote:Originally posted by MC_BoNe:
I'm not too sure what i believe... but i think there's more to it than current scientific theories...
If a God does exist then this dude is ULTIMATE... he could of invented science as we know it today and pulled it over our eyes so we come up with theories like the big bang, evolution etc... In this God's world science would be totally different... being able to create things from nothing for example? Hence how he/she/it created our universe...
or something like that.
(If a god does exist!)
Who you kidding if there was a god then why does he take away the people you love? Does he get a kick out of seeing people unhappy and tormenting themselves asking the question Why?
The way things are going in this world then am sorry for my three children growing up in a world of hate!
Da Cunney Bugz Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/03 : 09:54:05
quote:Originally posted by DJ Yanis:
Well people will lagh but i think religion and science are connected, think about it, the bible claims that god created the earth in 7 days light on the 1st day etc....
Science is similair as the first thing which happend was the big bang hence sun hence light, the following things after this whcih science claims also follow the order the of things created int he 7 days And no one knows how long a day is really, think about it years back a day could of been classed as like 1000 years or something??Any way i just wanted to try and state the point about the religion theroy and scientific theory being similar in a way.
so your saying god created the earth in 7000 years? still bollocks rele lol, i reckon religion should be completely demolished (im not saying it will nor am i saying religious peops are wasting time) just think the world would be alot better placce without it.
we watched a video on string theory in general studies, quite interesting!
anyone bought fhm this month? they have built something called atlas detector in cern (european centre for nuclear research) and there is a 17 mile particle accelarator ring that uses magnets cooled to -271degrees which boosts protones to seven trillion volts which slams itself into the atlas which makes new sub-atomic particles. which after this they will detect 'the god particle' lol which give's mass to everything in the universe.
dont i sound clever dont ave a clue what any of that means just copied it down, but sounds interesting! can anyone explain what it means by give mass to everything?
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_BoNe_ Advanced Member
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Posted - 2006/03/03 : 09:59:16
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
quote:Originally posted by MC_BoNe:
I'm not too sure what i believe... but i think there's more to it than current scientific theories...
If a God does exist then this dude is ULTIMATE... he could of invented science as we know it today and pulled it over our eyes so we come up with theories like the big bang, evolution etc... In this God's world science would be totally different... being able to create things from nothing for example? Hence how he/she/it created our universe...
or something like that.
(If a god does exist!)
Who you kidding if there was a god then why does he take away the people you love? Does he get a kick out of seeing people unhappy and tormenting themselves asking the question Why?
The way things are going in this world then am sorry for my three children growing up in a world of hate!
If there is a God it doesn't mean he gives a shit... he could of just created us and ****ed off. He could be dead. He could be occupied in a different dimension. He could be having some sleepies for a billion years. He could have his leg trapped inbetween two planets and can't reach us to help us. We just don't know!!
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