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XtarsiA
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 Posted - 2006/04/10 : 19:43:17
ppl confusing DJ'ing and Production gets on my rag aswell.
id suggest FL i found it incredibly easy to pick up. but its what ever suits u the most to begin with. try all the demos and decide then.
lots of ppl here use most of the software thats out there, so im sure someone can answer any of the questions u might have down the line. what ever u buy.
Producing takes alot of time and effort though. (as im finding out.. ideas arent enough  )
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charlieee
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Posted - 2006/04/11 : 11:49:28
yeh i just had a go at fl studio look gud
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/04/11 : 13:40:44
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
Yeah I know what your saying but I just can't agree. Throwing two tracks produced by someone else over each other in time (or not in time as the case seems to be) is as far off as you can get to producing a tune and using a sample/samples IMO. When your producing a track there is a hell of allot of work involved wheras any moron can badly (please note badly DJ's, thank you ;)) mix two tunes together.
It seems to me that these people simply want to claim credit for other peoples work to make themselves look good which in my opinion is bloody awful! If someone gives them friendly advice on how to take things further and to produce for themselves they shove it back in their faces which just goes to show they have no interest in doing anything but stealing credit for things other people have done. Anyway I'll stop ranting about that as I was trying to avoid going into too much on that side of things as it can go on forever ;)
no i see what you mean and they are just trying to take credit for other peoples work, just that you need to understand other people (musicians) will feel the same way about people "stealing" samples and using them for there tracks.
All the versions of 4am for example, without the vocal would never have made any cash for the producers involved and none of that will have gone to the original artists who made that vocal. Especially with old school (my fav music) you can see how much of it was bits and bobs from other things, amen breaks, sped up pianos, hip hop stuff and it wasnt always in time either.
i do no that theres even less work involved in bootlegging and to me it sounds shit, but its not about my tastes its that in principle i dont see it as morally much worse than what happens in music i do love.
each to there own but its only one step worse in morals imo, i just let them get on with it cos they dont make any cash from it anyway. If i made a song and they ripped it off i wouldnt be happy, but i'd probably not be happy if i wrote a pop song, some hardcore dj lifts the full vocal, adds a generic uk sounding bounce to the back of it and makes a load of cash for it while i get jack shit.
Pot, kettle and black imo
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2006/04/11 : 14:25:27
Some very good points yeah, I just don't see how there doing anything whatsoever to call it there own (I know that you agree there though:)). I guess your right though in saying an unlicensed remix is morally nearly as bad. Anyway... the point I was trying to make though was more about the fact that allot people no longer understand the terms DJ'ing & Producing and seem to have strange ideas as to how a remix is made/what a remix is... "Bootlegers" are partially to blame IMO.
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/04/11 : 14:41:48
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
Anyway... the point I was trying to make though was more about the fact that allot people no longer understand the terms DJ'ing & Producing and seem to have strange ideas as to how a remix is made/what a remix is... "Bootlegers" are partially to blame IMO.
very true cos the all call themselves "dj" when they actually produce young kids who havent studied anything about the music will assume thats what a dj is.
i think its just another generation and there new ways of doing things, never before could ordinary tennagers download a copy of software and make or remix music. They dont no how to play any instruments or even use decks some of them, but if they've giot a pc and internet they can now get involved and become a star to there mates. Really doesnt bother me, it's not doing me any harm but if it was my song they were messing with i would be anrgy.
Before dance music dj's were people who talked on the radio whilst playing tracks, like john peel etc. The meaning of dj then changed to someone who mixes records, and that was what i've grew up knowing it as. Now some kids (normally through not having knowledge) think a dj is someone who remixes tracks on software.
Just the way it goes, things change. I like vinyl and i collect it because the music i like is rarely released on digital so i couldnt get it on high quality mp3, and i enjoy mixing vinyl it's what i no. If it was up to me i'd be on laptops aswell though, since going on a music course my minds been opened to the possibilities of the future.
bootleggers arent going away so just gotta work round it, they have there scene and we have ours. I no very few people over 20 who would listen to any of that sorta stuff and cos its so blatantly breaking copyright rules it only can be sold at the odd market stall and the net. At least 99.9% of it is shared over filesharing for free, so in some ways its not even as bad as the producers who've pocketed large sums from taking samples without permission.
Before people get me wrong im not against sampling at all, some of my fav songs have been remixes and i believe in the theory that its passing music onto another set of people who wouldnt have heard it otherwise. I just think a lot of people cos they think bootleggers are shite that its suddenly wrong and unacceptable, but if there favourite artist does something similar its all pats on the back and bumlicking.
I'll just let everyone do there own thing and i'll make tunes they way i want to aswell, im at the very beginning of production but might well rip some stuff cos i like rips when done well.
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Edited by - Chris B on 2006/04/11 14:42:51 |
Reala
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 18:05:58
I think you should remember though a lot of people move from mixing (DJ) to producing, it is a natural progression. Same as you have like actors who go from acting to writing, graphic designers from editing to designing, etc.
So therefore, if you were to be called e.g. DJ Reala when you were mixing, you may want to carry your artist name across when producing.
Anyways, reason I made another post here :D :
What is a decent sample pack
What are decent plug ins
For Cubase and Fruity Loops.
Thanks! =)
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