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Chris B
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 Posted - 2006/05/28 : 11:28:53
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Hardcore breaks up to 160bpm influeneced (spl?) by the early sound of hardcore. (old skool)
Breakbeat hardcore is hardcore that uses breaks aswell as or instead of 4/4 kick.
correct love ths stuff myself
to be honest not many hardcore ravers seem to like it that much, get a bit more in london and defo at events like raindance.
but in general they dont seem too keen, odd drum n bass track goes down well though.
Personally i think the breakbeat hardcore just needs more deep vibrating beats like dnb has, just gives extra power out big speakers and works on dancefloors.
someone pointed it out to me before and i agree, just dont have the same power as a lot of drum n bass releases.
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2006/05/28 : 12:42:22
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
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Originally posted by clarke101:
I was talking about hardcore breaks not breakbeat hardcore.
NO, same thing different names.
No there not the same thing at all. Listen to some Hardcore breaks then listen to some breakbeat hardcore from the all-4-1 lot or rfu, next gen etc.
Hardcore breaks up to 160bpm influeneced (spl?) by the early sound of hardcore. (old skool)
Breakbeat hardcore is hardcore that uses breaks aswell as or instead of 4/4 kick.
no hardcire breaks sounds the most newschool out of the 2.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2006/05/28 : 17:02:49
....well, we're working on a Breakbeat Hardcore track at the moment and, as far as we're concerned,
it's the same as we were doing ten*edit* fourteen years ago (blimey, don't time fly when you're having fun) *edit* but just faster and with a few new tricks....
ie, the same difference....
(here's something we did in 1993 - http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Ionosphere_Krafywerks(1993).mp3)
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clarke101
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Posted - 2006/05/28 : 22:38:07
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
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Originally posted by clarke101:
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
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Originally posted by clarke101:
I was talking about hardcore breaks not breakbeat hardcore.
NO, same thing different names.
No there not the same thing at all. Listen to some Hardcore breaks then listen to some breakbeat hardcore from the all-4-1 lot or rfu, next gen etc.
Hardcore breaks up to 160bpm influeneced (spl?) by the early sound of hardcore. (old skool)
Breakbeat hardcore is hardcore that uses breaks aswell as or instead of 4/4 kick.
no hardcire breaks sounds the most newschool out of the 2.
Ive picked probably the most popular breakbeat track of last year.
Breakbeat Hardcore.
http://www.kniteforce.co.uk/discography/mp3/timeclipcube.mp3
Ive picked a track avaliable form the shop here.
Hardcore Breaks
http://shop.happyhardcore.com/mp3/18924-1.mp3
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2006/05/29 : 00:44:48
no what i was saying was that breakbeat hardcore made in the mid 90s was the way it was. now though, hardcore breaks can either sound old, or new.
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clarke101
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Posted - 2006/05/29 : 02:27:53
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no what i was saying was that breakbeat hardcore made in the mid 90s was the way it was. now though, hardcore breaks can either sound old, or new.
No you didnt. You said they were the same thing. The people who make Hardcore Breaks will say it isnt. They should be classed as the samething they arent
You then said hardcore breaks sounds the most nu-skool of the 2. Wrong again.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2006/05/29 : 10:28:44
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The people who make Hardcore Breaks will say it isnt. They should be classed as the samething they arent
erm.... We've just said that as far as we're concerned it's the same thing, we made it as far back as 1992,
here's an example, at 166bpm, from 1993 - http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/AUDIO/Ionosphere_Krafywerks(1993).mp3
there's another track we made in 1994 at 178bpm in the mix we did for the 'Save the Children' charity show on Intense Radio in March this year -
http://www.uk-vinyl.co.uk/ionosphere.html
Most of our Breakbeat tracks were way past 160bpm even back then.
We're working on a new one atm, it's *CLASSIFIED INFORMATION* bpm
....so, to repeat ourselves,
"it's the same as we were doing ten*edit* fourteen years ago (blimey, don't time fly when you're having fun) *edit* but just faster and with a few new tricks....
ie, the same difference"
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clarke101
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Posted - 2006/05/29 : 11:06:11
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
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Originally posted by clarke101:
The people who make Hardcore Breaks will say it isnt. They should be classed as the samething they arent
erm.... We've just said that as far as we're concerned it's the same thing, we made it as far back as 1992,
....so, to repeat ourselves,
"it's the same as we were doing ten*edit* fourteen years ago (blimey, don't time fly when you're having fun) *edit* but just faster and with a few new tricks....
ie, the same difference"
I ment people who say they make hardcore breaks. Dont like it being called breakbeat hardcore.
BTW i agree with you.
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Posted - 2006/05/29 : 11:39:46
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I ment people who say they make hardcore breaks. Dont like it being called breakbeat hardcore.
ahh yeh.... I got ya.... ....bless 'em. 
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2006/05/29 : 17:15:25
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Originally posted by clarke101:
You then said hardcore breaks sounds the most nu-skool of the 2. Wrong again.
i didn't say exactly that i said hardcore breaks can sound either old or new.
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Posted - 2006/05/29 : 18:06:39
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
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Originally posted by clarke101:
You then said hardcore breaks sounds the most nu-skool of the 2. Wrong again.
i didn't say exactly that i said hardcore breaks can sound either old or new.
Yes you did here.
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
no hardcire breaks sounds the most newschool out of the 2.
only after i posted correcting you did you change what you said.
To this which most of it has nothing to with anything else you have said in this thread. I have highlighted the relavent part to this discussion.
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
no what i was saying was that breakbeat hardcore made in the mid 90s was the way it was. now though, hardcore breaks can either sound old, or new.
You have changed and adjusted your opinion more times in this thread than an 80 year old yorkshireman has said ee by gum.
Please just accept that that Hardcore Breaks and Breakbeat Hardcore are not the samething. And that the differences between the two have been posted in this thread.
No doubt you will feel the need to post again so i await your reply.
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Posted - 2006/05/29 : 18:26:47
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plus wasn't nextgeneration recs gonna bring out a sub label called... damn i forget the name, it's to do with bouncing back, the word.
Ricochet. Was the name i heard
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Posted - 2006/05/29 : 19:36:23
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Originally posted by clarke101:
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
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Originally posted by clarke101:
You then said hardcore breaks sounds the most nu-skool of the 2. Wrong again.
i didn't say exactly that i said hardcore breaks can sound either old or new.
Yes you did here.
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
no hardcire breaks sounds the most newschool out of the 2.
only after i posted correcting you did you change what you said.
To this which most of it has nothing to with anything else you have said in this thread. I have highlighted the relavent part to this discussion.
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
no what i was saying was that breakbeat hardcore made in the mid 90s was the way it was. now though, hardcore breaks can either sound old, or new.
You have changed and adjusted your opinion more times in this thread than an 80 year old yorkshireman has said ee by gum.
Please just accept that that Hardcore Breaks and Breakbeat Hardcore are not the samething. And that the differences between the two have been posted in this thread.
No doubt you will feel the need to post again so i await your reply.
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2006/05/29 : 23:33:31
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Originally posted by clarke101:
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
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Originally posted by clarke101:
You then said hardcore breaks sounds the most nu-skool of the 2. Wrong again.
i didn't say exactly that i said hardcore breaks can sound either old or new.
Yes you did here.
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
no hardcire breaks sounds the most newschool out of the 2.
only after i posted correcting you did you change what you said.
To this which most of it has nothing to with anything else you have said in this thread. I have highlighted the relavent part to this discussion.
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
no what i was saying was that breakbeat hardcore made in the mid 90s was the way it was. now though, hardcore breaks can either sound old, or new.
You have changed and adjusted your opinion more times in this thread than an 80 year old yorkshireman has said ee by gum.
Please just accept that that Hardcore Breaks and Breakbeat Hardcore are not the samething. And that the differences between the two have been posted in this thread.
No doubt you will feel the need to post again so i await your reply.
i was only winding up the pretentious type, no harm.
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