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darx23
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 Posted - 2006/06/04 : 11:25:34
Allright this is a new tune of mine,basicly I just started it out,at the moment it has just 2 synths and strings and bass and beat,I really wanna know what do you people think does it have potential and how do you like yhe feel of the tune.
I plan to develop it alot.
Cheerz
[url][/url]http://rapidshare.de/files/22169032/IMPACT.mp3.html
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XtarsiA
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Posted - 2006/06/04 : 14:49:18
im not sure what it is.. but it has the same feel as the last one u posted.
like.. it changes pitch.. but the harmony stays the same all the time(or something like that). kinda a weird feel for me.
its sounds good, but something about the way it progesses doesent sit well for me.
if u get what i mean
production is good tho :) and the mellody is nice too :)
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darx23
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Posted - 2006/06/04 : 15:51:31
Hm,now you got me thinking...
But it doesnt change pitch ..
what happens in the tune is...
kick bass and arp start and the lead melody comes in from cut of
and then it just kicks in and plays normaly and later on the strings kick
and normaly harmony is all the time the same cuz its just the main theme in the clip...Hm
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darx23
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Posted - 2006/06/04 : 15:53:04
and bass n strings n arp follow the main lead so I dont dig what U mean
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darx23
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Posted - 2006/06/04 : 23:17:29
Am I doing something wrong?
You got me woried!Could you please be more specific?
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Phobz
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Posted - 2006/06/04 : 23:30:06
hmmm wierd I try to download, put the code in but it says session invalid =[
could you upload it on yousendit m8?
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darx23
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Posted - 2006/06/05 : 00:04:32
Tryed to,but having some problems with it.
Maybe you were on the page too long or maybe you didnt pay attention to Capitall letters and put small ones instead or something I dont know all these servers ruuning around in my head and my four email adresses and my three myspace acounts and all contacts from my mail and ALL THE PASSWORDS and all the tunes I must finish and things I must acomplish in life...
I think I will go to bed now
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XtarsiA
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Posted - 2006/06/05 : 00:25:35
ok from what i gather..
it sounds like u have have 1 mellody thats one bar long. its got a major feel to it.
for the next bar, in essence.. its identicle to the first bar in everyway, except it has been raised/lowered by 1/2/3 semitones..
essentialy.. i reackon uve started with ur basic 4 bar progression, made the first bar, and then replicated it shifting the scale's key up and down along with ur original progression.
uve taken ur bass line from that to, now with the bass line its perfectly ok as it is, as bass is most of the time 1 note per bar, ur usual off beat stab bass.
as for the mellody, pads, it has a very peculiar sound to the ear as each bar progresses, the major harmony, makes it very obvious, when u shift key and stay with the same harmony. there is the off chance ur progression will move in a way in wich doing that will actually keep u in key tho.
its not ur FX/synths or any automation or production thats giving me that weird feel, its the composition notewise thats doing it.
i dont know exactly why.. hopefully someone abit more clued up on the theory can shed some light on why the weirdness of the sound.
but changing key every every bar is very uncommon. never said it was a bad thing, if u like the sound, and the way it feels, then go with it. but imho its abit too far "out there" for the general population of hardcoredom
try playing about with chords abit more, and stiking to the key ur in.
what are u using to produce?
and hope that makes sense lol.. just how i see/hear/understand things.
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darx23
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Posted - 2006/06/05 : 00:49:25
But I ve always been producing like this,shifting notes up n down evry br or every second bar.It feels very normal to me.I had no idea it sounds weird.I mean I can keep it in the same key and without shifting everything but for me this just feel right and is the only way I ever done things.No one before noticed anything weird about it.Is it possible shifting has something to do with the fact before I was mainly trance influenced?I go crazy if its not really progressing.Anybody here with Deep extension of musical knowledge to analize things for us?Basicly am I doing the right thing all this time or totally wrong?and if wrong whats the way I should do things?
I use FL to work out ideas and then do it in Cubase.
Synths mainly from Zeta.
But this is not a serious mix,just a quick a bit longer loop with a bit of developing,an idea.
Cheers everibody I dont understand anything anymore
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Phobz
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Posted - 2006/06/05 : 09:13:28
Ok I can't seem to download. It sounds like when you are making chords, your copying the chords you've made then shifting them to an higher level. This means you will be moving your notes and they will be going into black notes etc. Have you tried turning black notes on so you can see where they are, ghost notes helps too. I tend not to use black notes they just sounds so ehm :/
I can't hear your tune until 44 minutes anyway, hope it doesn't mess up this time :p
Will comment soon if it works :)
Edit: It failed again, I typed it in caps aswell. Sorry =[
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willmorton
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Posted - 2006/06/06 : 17:41:22
The 4th line that XtarsiA posted above is exactly what is 'wrong'. Obvisouly I can't say that something is 'wrong' because if you meant for your tune to sound like that, then it is right :)
Anyway, it sounds too 'copy and paste', and thus could result in it sounding 'cheaper' than it could... all it is, is that you've written one bar, then for the next bar you have changed the chord and everything else with it (basically transposed to make it fit). Then you've done the same for the 3rd and 4th bars, but changed the last couple of notes of the 3rd and 4th bars... but I don't think that's enough.
I'm not trying to be overly critical, I'm just trying to get my thoughts across.
Really nice sounds though, I really like the lead.
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Leto
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Posted - 2006/06/06 : 20:26:25
I'm impressed tbh. But, I see what XtarsiA is saying.
Too much variation in key can confuse the listener. There isn't really a base pattern for me to identify with...
That's my input anyway.
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darx23
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Posted - 2006/06/06 : 20:40:59
I was before mainly producing trance and trance idea is usually to shift things around so I got use to it but you are right it does sound copy paste even do I was working it out and its not totally just transposing one bar melody but thats just a couple of routine I feel into .I will work on that,thanx for making that clear for me.
Now I wanna know what the people think of the production side quality of the sound keep in mind beat is just something I trow together in 5 minutes to make a quick clip.
Also I noticed not much shifting in hardcore after all these posts I started to pay attention to it alot and I noticed on couple of tunes on hardcore heaven 3
the melody is like 2 chords every is 2 bars long and the synth follows it so basicly there s just one transition or sometimes 2-3,but really not drastical
You people are right it does sound cheap I will work on that.
Thanx on comments.
Really wanna know what you think bout the production side
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Leto
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Posted - 2006/06/06 : 20:53:06
Production wise, it's great!
Good inference, by the way. Trance is a lot slower, so the variation may make more sense, but with the speed of hardcore, its nice to have a base pattern.
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darx23
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Posted - 2006/06/06 : 21:10:12
yeah you are right.I ve been producing hardcore for the last one year maybe
and I totally went into it with trance way of doing things in mind and really thanks for constructive info I will work on that cuz I really love hardcore it hits me more than anything else and I do plan to ad my contribution to the scene one day but I know I must work a little more to get better
I was trying something with the labels with a previous track I posted the one people of the forum said it has too basic progression but wasnt much lucky even do I made one good to have contact.
Well people thanx for clearing some things up for me,really appreciate it!
Cheerz!
And greetings from rainy Croatia!
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