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Bondy
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 Posted - 2006/11/09 : 14:55:39
Hey everone. Im new to DJing, well im pretty good with my mixes I do on tracktor but I want to start using hardware as it looks a hell of a lot more fun. Im not sure weather to start with vinyl or using CD turnables. I have tried both and they both are very fun but I want to own some of my own gear so I can use when I want. But im not sure what to start with. Can any here point me in the right direction?
Cheers
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ihaveduff
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Posted - 2006/11/09 : 21:36:56
Vinyl is more expensive, and you can't get the stuff on IMO download... I use vinyl and love it, but i want to get a couple of CD decks to complement them. Also the industry's moving towards CD decks when playing out, most DJ's do use them
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Sk8SiM
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Posted - 2006/11/10 : 00:39:05
CD's are takie and cheep!... and promote piracy!
Vinyl LOOKS PRO!!!
And involes handing something as gentle as you would a lady 
(and besides, the ladys LOVEEEEEE a guy with a 12" )
LONG LIVE VINYL!!!!
My advice, if you want to be a pro (or atleast look like one) - start with vinyl
Plus... HAVE YOU SEEN THE PRICES OF CD DECKS!
2 words from me - **** THAT!!!! haha!
For the price you can buy a pro turntable setup... and buy your self a HUGE collection of vinyl to start off with!
Then when you get good, then deside if you want to stick at it, and move forward with the next genaraction!
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One more thing, vinyl is more of a collection thing too :)
Every DJ has there own records, some are rare! (Go back to primary school and think pokemon trading cards haha)
^^^^ its this that adds up to DJ's having there own style and being different from one another!
^^^^ Plus, its this that adds more of the "hobby" thing to DJing!
Now if you bring in CD's ^^^ your not going to have that! You’re taking away a very valuable and unique thing that "being a DJ" used to have!
I haven’t been DJing long, but I already have some rare and beefy records under my belt 
DJing is a hobby for most people! And my advice to anyone would be, Don't start DJing if you only want to make it big later on in life! I read somewhere on the net that there are a certain number of 1000's of "bedroom" DJ's that will NEVER get to play out!
Which is very true ^^^
Only get into DJing if you have some pure love for music, and want to "collect it" aswell as spin it for a hobby! Not cuse you want to be famous!
Its expensive yes... but just set yourself a limit each month! and you'll be happy to own all your fave tunes on lovly 12" vinyl!
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ihaveduff
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Posted - 2006/11/10 : 00:43:46
^^ what he said... i don't think my post made sense... it was me pre-coffee (scary sight)
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Brian K
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Posted - 2006/11/10 : 01:23:08
as much as you want to preach long live vinyl it's not gonna happen =P
if you're just starting I'd say go ahead and get some cd decks, then add some vinyl decks later on if you're wanting older stuff as most of it won't be available other than on vinyl
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Posted - 2006/11/10 : 03:26:59
Vinyl.
'Nuff said.
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blanco
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Posted - 2006/11/10 : 05:00:54
quote:
Originally posted by Bondy:
Hey everone. Im new to DJing, well im pretty good with my mixes I do on tracktor but I want to start using hardware as it looks a hell of a lot more fun. Im not sure weather to start with vinyl or using CD turnables. I have tried both and they both are very fun but I want to own some of my own gear so I can use when I want. But im not sure what to start with. Can any here point me in the right direction?
Cheers
Get a hardware controller for Traktor - best of both worlds.
I used to spin vinyl (and had a set of unused cd decks) and did agree with everyone here, however when I moved over here (Tokyo) I obviously couldn't bring vinyl, so rebought everything (no, really, felt like such a waste of money) on mp3.
Now use Traktor with an external controller, and if playing out, either take laptop with, or burn tracks to CDR and play on whoevers cd decks ...
One thing I will say about learning on vinyl though, it makes you much better and accurate at beat matching - though I wouldn't want to say keep paying ’6 for a track just for that reason.
Everytime I've been to a Tasty back in London, the hardcore lot always used a set of CDJ's ... just a sign of the times ...
(Though ultimately I will agree, mixing vinyl is more fun ....)
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silver
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Posted - 2006/11/10 : 09:04:09
Vinyl pros:
- Learn to mix on vinyl and you can mix anywhere.
- Most big label releases come out on vinyl
- Vinyl for the most part is released before a download.
- Nearly every club is going to have 2 turntables.
- Limited releases (pro & con)
- Artwork and label
- It's cooler?
- Resell value, you can sell your vinyl if you stop being a DJ or change genres, etc.
Vinyl cons:
- Heavy
- Easier to damage (depends on the person)
- Can only really carry 100 tunes at one time
- More expensive
- Limited releases (pro & con)
- Can't burn another copy if you lose or damage the vinyl.
CD pros
- Legal downloads are cheaper.
- Can play promo, your own tunes and free tunes easy.
- Can carry 1000's of tunes very easy
- Airport customs don't give you shit for being a DJ.
- Can be backed up in case you lose a tune
CD cons
- Having 1000's of tunes and not remembering what is on a single CD :)
- No labels
- Piracy?
- Not cool?
- Not limited, anyone can have the same tunes as you.
- A vinyl will play no matter the quality of it, a damaged CD wont.
- No resell value, you can't resell a download or CD.
Anyone else thing of anything?
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charlieee
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Posted - 2006/11/10 : 09:57:19
quote:
Originally posted by Brian K:
as much as you want to preach long live vinyl it's not gonna happen =P
if you're just starting I'd say go ahead and get some cd decks, then add some vinyl decks later on if you're wanting older stuff as most of it won't be available other than on vinyl
i agree with u their man, thats wat im kinda doing iv got a pair of cdj and now am looking at a turntable mabi not a pair dunno have to c
another gud thing with cd though is that it has more features then vinyl... but then agen as im sure most dj would agree that doesn't make you a gud dj. i think to b a dj now days you tend to need to know how to use both
ps wat is ur price range?
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Bondy
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Posted - 2006/11/10 : 10:29:17
Thanks for your thoughts. I think I will go for some vinyl first then start my saving fund for a pair of CDJ1000MK3, by the time I get the money though it will be like MK10 lol
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Sk8SiM
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Posted - 2006/11/10 : 23:56:11
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
Anyone else thing of anything?
You have a visual representation of the whole track on a vinyl... where it’s lighter & darker shows where the breaks & leads are...
Therefore you have complete control over cueing your tracks, at fast speeds!…
Plus… If you ever make a mistake, you can just slap the needle right back on where you left off!
With CD however - there involves fast forwarding 
Witch isn’t good if say you’re a bit on the talented side, and want to cue another record up from say, the cued tracks 1st lead outro (so that you mix into final break ready for a climax!)
And lets say, you have only 16 bars of time to get all that done, from when you toke the needle off the last track :S
I can imagine that being a right pain in the arse on CD decks!!!!
Vinyl 1 – 0 CD
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blanco
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Posted - 2006/11/11 : 09:13:24
You get around this by setting up hot cues (though admittedly you will need to have done that in advance.)
However one more point for the Traktor crew, as you get the whole waveform up on screen, and can jump to any bit of it at any time ...
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Jax
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Posted - 2006/11/11 : 12:32:55
quote:
Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
Anyone else thing of anything?
You have a visual representation of the whole track on a vinyl... where it’s lighter & darker shows where the breaks & leads are...
Therefore you have complete control over cueing your tracks, at fast speeds!…
Plus… If you ever make a mistake, you can just slap the needle right back on where you left off!
With CD however - there involves fast forwarding
Witch isn’t good if say you’re a bit on the talented side, and want to cue another record up from say, the cued tracks 1st lead outro (so that you mix into final break ready for a climax!)
And lets say, you have only 16 bars of time to get all that done, from when you toke the needle off the last track :S
I can imagine that being a right pain in the arse on CD decks!!!!
Vinyl 1 – 0 CD
everything you mentioned there is completly wrong lol. all the things you mentioned are easier and quicker on a cdj
few more good points for the cdj
- you can record a sample and scratch with it, over the tune you got the sample from, you can adjust the volume of the sample aswell as the pitch!
- you can beatmatch a tune, remember the exact pitch %, do a bit of cutting change to a differant song, beatmatch it, do some more cutting, or maybe an accapella?, then put the orig track back on, set the pitch to the % and bingo ur back to the first tune and its beatmatched
- if you leave a track to late before you mix the next one in, you can loop the track going out and mix over it
- you can loop tracks then add effects
- hot cues! you can set 3 differant cue points and recall them instantly, sounds really good when you get it right
i think silver covered the rest 
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Brian K
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Posted - 2006/11/11 : 23:53:02
quote:
Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
Anyone else thing of anything?
You have a visual representation of the whole track on a vinyl... where it’s lighter & darker shows where the breaks & leads are...
Therefore you have complete control over cueing your tracks, at fast speeds
you've apparently not played in a dark venue =P
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