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andyandypandy
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 Posted - 2007/01/04 : 12:36:01
i have been wanting to get into hardcore production for quite some time, i have made a few tunes on ejay and this is where i got the buzz for production, but i can tell the sound quality from the finished tunes on this is nowhere near as good as with professional software, i want more freedom aswell, because ejay is very limited. From research I found there is so much expensive equipment and software available i wouldnt know where to begin
my mate recommended acid pro, saying it is like cubase, i am very confused, and logic pro? looks less scary than the other two looking at screenshots
any advice would be greatly appreciated, and what will i need aswell as one of the big programs? please get back 2 me 
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Dain-Ja
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 Posted - 2007/01/04 : 13:03:40
use FruityLoops
It'll make shit music if you don't use VSTis
If you use VSTis it will sound pro because they're hardware emulation plugins.
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djscorch
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Posted - 2007/01/04 : 13:07:16
I'd suggest buying a copy of Computer Music Magazine, this will give you a flavour for the various approaches to music production you can take. They give in-depth reviews/tutorials and demos of the software you have mentioned in your post, they even give away a DVD with every issue that has their own music software on it to get you up and running as well as samples and other useful stuff.
P.S No i don't work for them!
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andyandypandy
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Posted - 2007/01/04 : 13:26:47
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
use FruityLoops
It'll make shit music if you don't use VSTis
If you use VSTis it will sound pro because they're hardware emulation plugins.
thanks 4 advice, sorry i am very unfamiliar with plugins, i only have experience of using ejay nero wave editor n mixvibes lol how many do you need? do they just plug into the computer from a synth? sorry i realise i must sound very inexperienced 
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/01/04 : 21:23:08
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Originally posted by andyandypandy:
lol how many do you need? do they just plug into the computer from a synth? sorry i realise i must sound very inexperienced
VSTi plugins are software programs that emulate hardware, but only work when they work off of another program like Acid or FL. And you should have as many as possible. The more sounds you can get, the better.
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SickPigRecords
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Posted - 2007/01/05 : 17:57:05
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
use FruityLoops
It'll make shit music if you don't use VSTis
If you use VSTis it will sound pro because they're hardware emulation plugins.
You lie ihave made a few things just with fruity plugins that sound just as good as the stuff with the pro gear the old compressor is poor but other than that u can get bu
sytrus is a FAT synth
The Vocoder is ok
Fruity wasp is ok for 303 sort of sounds
and if you know how to layer and use your sounds and synths propley then every thing has a use
however it is easer to use some pro vst that cost the earth because they have nice presets that take all the work out of it
for a beginner i would recomend getting
The korg legacy collection (the MDE-X has some good Compressor presets for beginners
Mini moog (simple layout helpfull in helping to learn ho a synth works)
Vanguard (has its uses)
The waves Platinum bundle
(this is Full on pro gear used right u can master your choones and make them sound sweet)
Pro 53 (pretty good synth)
Surge This is one meann ass mo fo of a digital synth (even has a 64 bit version)
but still no fl studio 64 bit host sucks
and there is one that dose leads Verry well indeede but this is a secret and u will have to pm me for this as it not popular for a reason (no one wants to tell anyone)
this will keep u going for a bit
if u were to buy this all it would cost as much as a reasonable hardwear setup
i.e.
! Access viruss ti
2 Valve compressors
2 Valve Eq's
A Mixer
Efect processor
midi interface
midi keybord
midi controller
and much more
in my opinion some of these vst's are Stupidly Over Priced
There is another way (enough said )
P.s.
u may not normaly read help files but if u want to make music i stronly sugest that you make the fl studio manual your friend
P.L.U.R
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/01/05 : 19:44:51
quote:
Originally posted by SickPigRecords:
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
use FruityLoops
It'll make shit music if you don't use VSTis
If you use VSTis it will sound pro because they're hardware emulation plugins.
You lie ihave made a few things just with fruity plugins that sound just as good as the stuff with the pro gear the old compressor is poor but other than that u can get bu
sytrus is a FAT synth
The Vocoder is ok
Fruity wasp is ok for 303 sort of sounds
and if you know how to layer and use your sounds and synths propley then every thing has a use
however it is easer to use some pro vst that cost the earth because they have nice presets that take all the work out of it
for a beginner i would recomend getting
The korg legacy collection (the MDE-X has some good Compressor presets for beginners
Mini moog (simple layout helpfull in helping to learn ho a synth works)
Vanguard (has its uses)
The waves Platinum bundle
(this is Full on pro gear used right u can master your choones and make them sound sweet)
Pro 53 (pretty good synth)
Surge This is one meann ass mo fo of a digital synth (even has a 64 bit version)
but still no fl studio 64 bit host sucks
and there is one that dose leads Verry well indeede but this is a secret and u will have to pm me for this as it not popular for a reason (no one wants to tell anyone)
this will keep u going for a bit
if u were to buy this all it would cost as much as a reasonable hardwear setup
i.e.
! Access viruss ti
2 Valve compressors
2 Valve Eq's
A Mixer
Efect processor
midi interface
midi keybord
midi controller
and much more
in my opinion some of these vst's are Stupidly Over Priced
There is another way (enough said )
P.s.
u may not normaly read help files but if u want to make music i stronly sugest that you make the fl studio manual your friend
P.L.U.R
I'm sorry but a track made solely with default FL samples and synths DOES NOT sound pro... It can't. I'll admit I use the FL Keys for piano sometimes but that's because I don't have anything better - and when I was producing with EFM-7 he had this crazy expensive piano VST and we did an a/b comparison and it was unreal how much better his sounded.
You need VSTis to achieve professional results - there are no good tracks that have been released without hardware or VSTs involved in the production.
Are you seriously going to use 3xOsc for a lead synth? Hell no, it sounds crap compared to most VSTs.
As a decent start I'd say to get Vanguard (for trancy sounds), Z3ta (for other trancy sounds and pads), AudioRealism Bassline (for the basslines and for 303 acid stuff) and you should be able to make some good stuff.
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SickPigRecords
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Posted - 2007/01/05 : 23:28:31
Well vanguard is poor fo a lead unless layered it has a twangy sound to it
and sytrus is a great synth and you can make an intire tune with it
hell u can load virus wavforms into it dosent get much better u cand also make the sound so fat the greatest home pc will never be able to play them
also many tunes are made with only samples
trust me i have every top vst product worth having that i know of and that k-v-r recomend and rate
but u dont need them if u know how
they can make more complex sounds than a standard synth if fl but u can layer them there are many ways of making most sounds
trust i am now making my 3rd sample pack and u would scream at some of the lo grade synths used in some of the sounds
as for tb303 and the other one witch name escapes me at the min
these are not that great they can be used fo more grimy sounds that u plan on adding distortion to
sytrus is just as good mabe even better but harder to use
thanks for mentioning z3ta this is a great synth it can also be loaded with virus wavforms
rember all these sounds start as pop's clicks and ticks and look what they become
now think about that for a second
ne way i have to go home now so i will stop ranting
and fl keys sucks get a sound font or a vst for piano it is a hard sound to reproduce as with moast accustic sounds
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novaboy
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Posted - 2007/02/20 : 22:46:34
fl studio is absolutly amazing in what it can do, although, you need vsti's like the people before me said, or, because of the shitty and overused sample quality... you can tell a shit producer from the good ones.. sytrus is an absolutly MAD synth, you might need some knowledge about it, well, with all the hardware emulations, because they are based on hardware... so know about waves and shit. fl studio is awesome because it is terribly easy to add an effect onto certain assigned synths on it, and its pretty good to master on it...
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philblunt
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Posted - 2007/02/21 : 13:57:08
This is going to scare you... to get started with *production*, look into 'analogue synthesis'. Search for it with google 'basics of analogue synthesis' or suchlike.
Knowledge of anaolgue sythesis is essentially knowledge of how to tweak sounds and create your own from scratch using synths. IT IS NOT HARD and will get you on the fast-track.
1)Get yourself a copy of fruityloops and read help file,
2) ask mates / search for some sample packs and install them on your pc
3) get a few basic VSTi synths (triangle is a good one to start with)
4) look up tutorials for fruityloops on google and read them (spinwarp.com)
5) look up analogue sythesis and practise it with the synths you got
good luck
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andyandypandy
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Posted - 2007/02/24 : 12:42:18
cheers i will check it out :D i see the general impression is FL studios is the way to go i am not sure yet but thanks 4 advice ppl :P
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novaboy
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Posted - 2007/02/25 : 00:05:12
yeah, you should start with fl studio.. its the most straight forward production tool with decent sound, but dont use presets.. after you have mastered fl studio, i think cubase is the way to go, the sound is amazing, its a real good prog.
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andyandypandy
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Posted - 2007/02/27 : 18:19:59
is FL a demanding program? i mean i dont think this comp can handle that much so i prob need 2 get a new comp for producing wen i can afford it, what is reason like compared to FL studios?
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milo
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Posted - 2007/02/28 : 04:26:14
No matter where you start, audio production has a steep learning curve and takes a very long time to hone your ears. So don't get discouraged and keep at it.
I'd say skip fruity and go straight to Logic or Cubase - significantly more flexible and common in the professional atmosphere. Stick with softsynths for now and buy yourself a midi controller and a set of good monitor speakers. Worry about hardware later.
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bboyt3nsk
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Posted - 2007/03/04 : 04:49:48
If your going to be editing midi. CUbase is the way to go. I havent used logic at all so I cant say for that but, ive heard EXCELLENT things about it.
Back int he day when I was making some techno/ hardcore stuff I used FL and I used a plugin called SUPERWAVE and VANGUARD. both of those are great, I dont too many people know about super wave. It has a lot of flexibility and some great presets so I think its pretty good all around. They have a bundle package for like 3 diff kinds of synths (one specifically designed for trance i believe)
Vanguard has good presets not so much on flexibility. They do have good add on patches though.
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Posted - 2007/03/05 : 20:11:47
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Right, you wanted advice – so bare with me
Firstly, best advice anyone could give you would be to start on FL Studio mate  It’s perfect for any Noob and in the right hands it can do everything a pro would need!
(However its CRAP for engerneering - so don't ever think of getting professinal tunes out with it... trust me, with fl its just aload un-needed time and effort (and smaching your head though a wall) of pissing about thats just NOT NEEDED! - which is a shame... as it has some FANTASTIC FX's!)
In general though, just have fun to begin with, don't get thinking you’re a master after only a few months (we all do it)! The key thing with music is that even when you THINK you know everything - YOU DON'T!
EXP - experience - IS A BIG THING with music ;) knowledge is only a small thing when it comes down to DOING something with it :)
So therefore… Trail & Error - Best way to go :)
After say around a year of none stop head banging against a brick wall! Developing your style and gaining more EXP & knowledge…
You’re ready to move on!
Then when you come to tackle software such as cubase (which is the dogs bollocks! - and is one of the industry standards of digital music) you’ll already know what your doing in music terms... its just interface terms that you'll need to learn (there’s some good video tutorials knocking around the internet!) - These are only to show you where everything is... IT’S NOT TO TEACH YOU MUSIC!!! Its also were you'll end up sitting back and going "ohhhhh" "ahhhhh" "that’s wikid" - when you come across features that are just totally pointless - but just nice to have there (something cubase stands out with! :))
As for reason 3.0 - good, only if you want to gain knowledge in the anolog department (hardware) - simply cuse it has visuals of connections and sends ect... and its just asif you was hucking everything up in a real anolog studio!
But if you’re a total noob - stay well away! Just stick to FL studio for now and you'll be laughing! (This way you can start banging tunes out, right off the bat... without being a smartass!)
Music Knowledge [IMPORTANT!]
This is what it all comes down too :) I'll list 4 important areas of music...
Music Technology
Synthesizers, graphic EQs, Midi & Digi Audio, Sample rate & Depth, bit rate, mixers, preamps, compressors, sequencers ect ect – you get the point
Sound Physics
Knowing how sound works! For example, “if I was to put this reverb on this instrument… fair enough it might sound great out my home system… but what if I play it in an arena – doesn’t that arena have a bigger reverb… therefore, won’t this effect the reverb I’ve just slapped over my instrument! Coursing them both to collide with each other and make my instrument sound completely different – and sometimes, if people are standing in a certain place, they won’t hear the sound as clear and sometimes NOT AT ALL because of the reverb”
Hummmmm – HEAD****!!!
Sound Engineering!
OUCH!!! The Big one – this is the area you’ll be having A LOT of trouble in, and hey, there’s no right advice for it, as all music is different and they all have the same goal – to sound good!!! And that’s really what it comes down to, if it sounds good, use it! If it sounds bad – CHANGED IT ASAP!…
However knowledge does come down to 4 parts of it… “Levelling, panning, EQ and FXing!” – These are vital!
FXing is a big area on its own, you’ll need to understand what different FXs do such as dynamics, compression, gates, chorus, reverb ect! – There all very important parts of sound engineering!
And if your wondering why I’m saying this, it’s because electronic artists have to engineering there own work! (Yep! no recording studio! With a guy behind the desk for us!)
Music Knowledge
There’s 2 parts of this one too
a) Knowing your music - only good if you want to be a DJ and spin records!
b) STUDYING MUSIC! - knowing what makes up a genre, how music is structured ect ect - VERY IMPORTANT, if you want your music to be electronic or should I say "dance" music (yes, this includes dnb & breakbeat), then you need to compose your tracks to be DJ friendly - i.e. have bridges coming off leads incase you want the DJ to have a choice to mix out at this point if he wants... ect ect aswell as know how to compose the right sort of intros and outros for that given genre!
^^^ this all comes down to buying your stuff unmixed, practice djing in a virtual studio and just gaining a bit of knowledge through trail & error with your own work!
But luckily… we have you covered!
Study this site for a very very very LONG time
www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm
And then your minted :D (not 100%, but you’ll have a great understanding of music tech)
Intill you get though it though – download a trail of FL studio, have a gwan – and more importantly
HAVE FUN!!!!
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